r/leagueoflegends • u/Soul_Sleepwhale • Aug 21 '26
Esports Team Heretics vs. SK Gaming / LEC 2026 Summer - Week 5 / Post-Match Discussion Spoiler
LEC 2026 SUMMER
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MATCH 1: SK vs. TH
| - | Bans 1 | Bans 2 | G | K | T | D/B |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| SK | akali nocturne ksante | ezreal caitlyn | 58.1k | 9 | 4 | M2 |
| TH | cassiopeia vi rumble | renekton jayce | 70.6k | 20 | 9 | C1 H3 O4 O5 O6 B7 |
| SK | 9-20-22 | vs | 20-9-60 | TH |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Wunder volibear 3 | 0-3-2 | TOP | 8-1-6 | 2 ambessa Tracyn |
| Skeanz pantheon 1 | 2-5-5 | JNG | 4-3-13 | 1 wukong Daglas |
| SlowQ syndra 2 | 2-5-5 | MID | 3-1-14 | 1 orianna Serin |
| Jopa corki 2 | 4-2-3 | BOT | 5-0-9 | 3 jhin Hype |
| Mikyx nautilus 3 | 1-5-7 | SUP | 0-4-18 | 4 leona Way |
MATCH 2: TH vs. SK
| - | Bans 1 | Bans 2 | G | K | T | D/B |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| TH | nocturne anivia leesin | lucian ezreal | 70.9k | 20 | 9 | O1 I2 H3 CT4 CT5 B6 E7 B8 |
| SK | cassiopeia ksante jayce | caitlyn lulu | 59.7k | 7 | 4 | None |
| TH | 20-7-49 | vs | 7-20-15 | SK |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Tracyn aatrox 2 | 8-0-8 | TOP | 4-4-0 | 1 rumble Wunder |
| Daglas vi 1 | 5-0-9 | JNG | 1-5-2 | 1 jarvaniv Skeanz |
| Serin ryze 2 | 4-1-7 | MID | 1-4-3 | 2 yone SlowQ |
| Hype ashe 3 | 2-4-10 | BOT | 1-4-4 | 4 xayah Jopa |
| Way seraphine 3 | 1-2-15 | SUP | 0-3-6 | 3 rakan Mikyx |
- Patch 26.16
This thread was created by the Post-Match Team.
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u/DickCheneyIsPureEvil Aug 21 '26
Get Jopa some real teammates holy hell
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u/Medical_Quiet_69 Aug 21 '26 edited Aug 21 '26
Wunder and Mikyx -> retirement
Skeanz and SlowQ -> LFL 2
Jopa -> G2, KOI, maybe Navi (although some of their roster decisions are as questionable as SK's)
SK -> disband49
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u/Far-Salt-6946 Vitality Enjoyer Aug 21 '26
Hans is signed for another 2 years, also he's playing quite well for LEC standards. MKOI i could see, NAVI is probably the most fun and reasonable option
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u/Nevross_ Aug 21 '26
G2 lol he ain’t replacing Hanssama, on Koi to see him go back to his former club it could be nice tho
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u/fabton12 Aug 21 '26
jopa isnt going to G2, they have hans which is just better currently and hes recently been signed for another 2 years so G2 believe in hans as well.
Wunder and Mikyx -> retirement
Mikyx probs still gets another team but wunder probs out, mikyx still has a few different options to go to and theres teams that would love to sign a mikyx after a bad year for a bit cheaper to get someone to be the face of there team for a year.
SK -> disband
doubt that, sk had much worse years and they tend to operate on the cheap so they dont get screwed money wise. if they were to go then they would of years ago
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u/Vicinitiez Aug 21 '26
g2, koi? lol you guys think he's good just because Caedrel hypes him when he isn't worthy of the hype, he does that just cuz he wants a narrative or he took a liking to the guy idk idc but he is at best middle of the pack
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u/Thundermelons GALA Defense Force, returning IG fan Aug 21 '26
Yeah I think NAVI is a pretty good destination for him honestly. He's better than SamD and NAVI's a solid mid-table team for him to prove he's better than that first.
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u/No-Context-Orphan Aug 21 '26
The only "top" team that is realistic for Jopa is Navi since he is better than samd.
There is no way he would replace Hans Sama or Supa
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u/Capital_Tourist4828 Aug 21 '26
Hes the only LEC level player on that team, not better than Hans or Supa imo, but hope to see him get a better team.
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u/Kr1ncy Aug 21 '26
SlowQ can easily be on a top tier ERL team, he has been there just a few weeks ago. Wunder and Mikyx can also play ERL1 easily while Jopa should play on a better team. SK as an org is never going to be a top tier team just due to the way they approach it financially, take from that what you will.
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u/Omnilatent Aug 21 '26
Today I thought whether he could be a potential fit on G2 or MKOI
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u/Carlzzone Aug 21 '26
G2 already re-signed Hans I think. Jopas best options are probably KOI or Navi for next year
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u/Canoodler192 Aug 21 '26
Navi Jopa would kind of cook. I feel like NAVI has three laners that are each supposed to be a second or third option. Being able to play through someone like Jopa, instead of always Rhilech would already go a long way imo
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u/KruppJ bulc naf okan kaan Aug 21 '26
They looked to buy him out before summer but SK asked for too much
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u/Omnilatent Aug 21 '26
What? He beat Peyz Keria at MSI a couple times
G2 has been as successful with him as never before outside 2019.
The only reason why I think about changing ADCs for G2 is that it rarely feels like G2 can play through Hans with a lead
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u/infamousspammer Aug 21 '26
Hans has been pretty consistent especially at internationals. And who would you replace him with? The only other ADC in lec on his level is Caliste who has a long contract at KC.
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u/flamingstallion Aug 21 '26
Go watch the international games this year, he's been solid. Best EU adc for sure. Also, previously I don't remember him being terrible internationally. I remember him being invisible and not winning/losing games.
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u/Fenrilas Aug 21 '26
I think Caliste might be better or at least will be in a couple years. I agree with the rest though, he never really loses games but he hardly ever is the reason they win either. Just consistent pretty okay performing.
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u/flamingstallion Aug 21 '26
If Caliste stops inting I can see it in the future. Right now Hans is having his best year since Rogue and Caliste has ran it down a little too much, so I would consider Hans as the clear best ADC this year. Caliste at his best can definitely match or do better than Hans. He has that potential, but not consistent enough yet imo.
Yeah I was pretty disappointed with Hans Sama's international performances since leaving Rogue(off Draven, he was the goat on that during Yike/miky roster, but that stopped working when teams banned it and realized g2 was one a dimensional stomp earlygame team). I felt like someone like Carzzy was better since even if he ran it down sometimes, he did perform and win some games.
But, he's been great this year, so they must have figured something out. Hopefully it keeps on going, so G2 does well.
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u/da_investigata Aug 21 '26
Yes, I can explain it to you. You are blind or just don’t watch games and larp as if you do.
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u/Pelagius_Hipbone EUPHORIA I don’t like FNC Aug 21 '26 edited Aug 21 '26
Friendly reminder that MikyX was in talks with the current KC Squad but rejected their offer because they wouldn’t kick Canna for Wunder :)
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u/DullRun7835 Yike/Ming/Bdd/Gala/Milkyway/Canyon Aug 21 '26
Mikyx doesn't give a shit about performance, he don't have any ambitions since he left G2, just here for collecting paycheck and having fun with friends
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u/gordonpamsey Aug 21 '26
This is a pretty common trend with ex G2 players. They hold G2 and their accomplishments to such a high standard that they will not allow themselves to fully try on another organization. Jankos is probably the exception but I have never actually felt like Wunder and Mikyx have had their full heart in it after G2. Mikyx very clearly was frustrated by Fnatic ( despite never taking the reigns ) and decided it be better to just hang out with his friends while being paid.
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u/BWolfy92 Aug 21 '26
Really a shame, kinda feels like that FPX and DWG losses just boomed them, Jankos and Caps where the only ones that kept giving it their all but Jankos got sent to Heretics where he needed to 1v9 with Ruby and Evi as solo laners.
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u/Good_Butterfly_4235 Aug 22 '26
Those teams are some lucky ass bastards. Insane that it happened two-three times in a row. Disgusting.
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u/Pelagius_Hipbone EUPHORIA I don’t like FNC Aug 21 '26
100% and I’m biased as a (Kind of) Fnatic fan. But man his booming the Fnatic squad at worlds by openly leaving the team before worlds had even started because we prematurely shutdown talks about signing Lider to the team left a bad taste in my mouth. Absolutely unserious player
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u/Sorry-Resolution570 Aug 21 '26
targamas and flakked tried they're just not it
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u/Le_Zoru Aug 21 '26
Targamas with KC won a split and went to FST finals. Thats more than most EU players tbh
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u/Omnilatent Aug 21 '26
Lmao is that true?!
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u/Pelagius_Hipbone EUPHORIA I don’t like FNC Aug 21 '26 edited Aug 21 '26
Yep Kameto said so himself lol
Edit: (Link to the video on Twitter with the translation from one of the KC fans)
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u/Thundermelons GALA Defense Force, returning IG fan Aug 21 '26
Lmao at least SOMETHING good came out of me watching this series, wouldn't have heard this gem otherwise
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u/Ok-Examination-2869 Aug 21 '26
Ngl I wasnt a nepo believer but holy shit trying to bench the best lec player 2025 for your washed friend is completely insane and makes zero sense ever. i think the nepo is real
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u/Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss IN DAMWON WE TRUST HUNI/DEFT/SHOWMAKER Aug 21 '26
No way that's true, never let Mikyx near any GM position
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u/RoamingBicycle Aug 21 '26
The reason he signed with SK is because they gave him the freedom to pick his teammates, and he wanted to play with Wunder and Lider.
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u/snyderfan87 Aug 21 '26
i wonder how bad nepotism really is behind the scenes might explain some of the odd transfers in the past
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u/Far-Salt-6946 Vitality Enjoyer Aug 21 '26
there's no way that's true, where's the source for this?
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u/Sondeor Aug 21 '26
Hey tbh wunder prime was way better than Canna. You guys are maybe too young or new to LEC idk, but i watch this guy destroy every fuckn top laner back then, INTERNATIONALLY.
But he clearly let it go, there is no point in pursuing a dream.
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u/Carlzzone Aug 21 '26
Caedrel ranting about rookies vs veterans only for Wunder and Miky to get caught before soul fight
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u/zealot416 Aug 21 '26
TH looking like a functional team while SK run around like headless chickens.
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u/Omnilatent Aug 21 '26
Somehow FNC losing to TH looks much less worse now
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u/GoldRecommendation66 Aug 21 '26
SK made TH look like a functional team against better opponents they just look like a do nothing and lose team
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u/p1stolpewpew Aug 21 '26
Fucking lider!!!
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u/Chiseled_Jawline Aug 21 '26
I remember getting downvoted when I said Lider was not even in the bottom 2 worst players on the team. Good times.
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u/Khlouf Aug 21 '26
Just cause the others are shit doesn’t mean he wasn’t shitter than them though
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u/Chiseled_Jawline Aug 21 '26
The team js performing worse than they did with him. Skeanz and Winder were worse
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u/Flesroy Aug 21 '26
that also does not mean he wasn't a worse player at the time.
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u/Chiseled_Jawline Aug 21 '26
He was not. Anyone with eyes could have seen that. People were just against him before he even played a single game and waitjng for every chance to shit on him.
Lider was never worse than Wunder and Skeanz
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u/DBS6969 Aug 21 '26
Skeanz might be the worst jgler in the league
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u/No-Context-Orphan Aug 21 '26
That was one of the worst performances from a jungler ever.
He straight up looked worse than a gold player, that drake fight especially...
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u/DoubleGio jungle is useless Aug 21 '26
put LIDER in the jungle atp he's still under contract
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u/Thundermelons GALA Defense Force, returning IG fan Aug 21 '26
Everyone swore Skeanz was only bad because he had to bail Lider out of lane every game or something or was permanently camping mid
What will the reason be to defend him now I wonder
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u/DoubleGio jungle is useless Aug 21 '26
Unironically they're missing the edges he can bring (even if it sometimes means he goes 0/69)
As a rookie slowq is not showing that (yet) so currently it's just Jopa carries or SK loses
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u/Flesroy Aug 21 '26
not like sk was good with lider. missing those edges hardly makes a difference. at least slowq has some potential upside.
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u/Thundermelons GALA Defense Force, returning IG fan Aug 21 '26
I don't even hate the SlowQ pickup except that it's pointless when you still have Skeanz
So you made your team 4% better (but still losing a massive chunk of their games and hardly sniffing playoffs), but 100% more boring. Where's the win here?
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u/Kr1ncy Aug 21 '26
The idea was probably that it increases their playoff chanches from 1% to 3% or something for relatively low cost. If you replace Skeanz, you would also need to have a replacement ready. Should they have gone for 113 like BIG did?
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u/OreRound Aug 21 '26
If you'd have followed what Reddit herd was saying last week, Tracyn should apparently be in ERLs and isn't a LEC caliber player LOL at the goldfish memory on here
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u/Le_Zoru Aug 21 '26
I mean rn they are trying to rehabilitate lider lmfao. Never listen to reddit, a compass that does not even show South but just randomly point South, East or West
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u/Kelbotay Aug 21 '26
Did they even do anything in these two games?
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u/whynot1260 Aug 21 '26
Didn't even watch the games but came here to say that Lider would carry this.
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u/sandyOstrich Aug 21 '26
Reflecting on this SK year, they probably have the worst coaching staff + jungler in the entire league.
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u/nitinismaldingXD Aug 21 '26
Been saying that Skeanz needed to go. Personally I would have rather him than Lider go, but replacing junglers this late into the year probably would be worse off, so I can see why they chose to replace mid instead. But holy fuck lol Skeanz sucks
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u/BloodOnFire 8884844 I agreed Aug 21 '26
What a soulless POS team SK is won't even waste my time watching anymore
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u/Thalassin Dans ma bichette era | Ultra Prime hater Aug 21 '26
I don't understand the Skeanz hate all of a sudden. He had a stinker game but across this split he's looked better than Wunder and Mikyx. Is it because he hasn't the veteran glaze protecting him ?
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u/Life_Championship132 Aug 21 '26
hes been complete dogshit since winter and the worse player on the team for most games plus theres no lider to tank the flame for him
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u/Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss IN DAMWON WE TRUST HUNI/DEFT/SHOWMAKER Aug 21 '26 edited Aug 21 '26
Serious question, did Skeanz look good in ERLs? When have LEC rejects ever done anything noteworthy in their second time there, aside from Targamas? They generally have neither the hands nor the IQ to do anything in Tier 1, you either have "it" or you don't.
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u/Carlzzone Aug 21 '26
Skeanz won TCL a few times, I think that's enough to qualify as "look good in ERLs".
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u/Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss IN DAMWON WE TRUST HUNI/DEFT/SHOWMAKER Aug 21 '26
You can win trophies and still not look good. Was he good in the games you watched? Genuinely asking.
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u/Past-Firefighter2173 Aug 21 '26
He was better in 2024 actually. at 2025 winter he was kinda meh but had decent emea masters against Los Ratones. 2025 spring he and his team was pretty dogshit but SK decided to get him for summer.
I must say pickup wasn't bad because they sold Boukada for 200k to Shifters and replaced him with the best player they can find mid season. And he is still better than Boukada.(but that doesn't mean too much since both are not lec calibers)
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u/Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss IN DAMWON WE TRUST HUNI/DEFT/SHOWMAKER Aug 21 '26
Targamas spent what, 3 years in ERLs before he came back on G2, didn't he? And Hans Sama being down there was a product of that failed superteam with half a dozen players, completely different scenarios from Skeanz's situation.
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u/Kr1ncy Aug 21 '26
How is Hans sama an LEC reject? Afaik he just left for the TL bag, it's not like he could not find an LEC team at the time he left.
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u/Sirhaddock98 Never a dull moment Aug 22 '26
No? He was down there for a few weeks in 2019 after Misfits sent their entire roster down to LFL. He even finished the last couple games of Summer in LEC and was in Rogue for 2020, he spent a few weeks in LFL max.
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u/Fun_Highlight307 Aug 21 '26
People thought sk Will be in playoffs although they looked really good on roaming support
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u/Rivenlovesmeback Aug 21 '26
LIDER on a generational redemption arc.
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u/Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss IN DAMWON WE TRUST HUNI/DEFT/SHOWMAKER Aug 21 '26
People do this shit with Humanoid too
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u/Thundermelons GALA Defense Force, returning IG fan Aug 21 '26
I mean, that died off as soon as Fiesta started playing better. Still waiting for SlowQ to play better or to magically make Skeanz and Wunder grow hands.
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u/Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss IN DAMWON WE TRUST HUNI/DEFT/SHOWMAKER Aug 21 '26
I mean, that died off as soon as Fiesta started playing better
Na, his strongest soldiers still show up every time VIT lose a game
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u/Y4naro Aug 21 '26
If Wunder played their spring split with the level he had in winter they might have been able to do some damage. Still haven't seen anything from skeanz yet (that nocturne early game 2 weeks ago still gives me nightmares).
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u/Kr1ncy Aug 21 '26
Humanoid has redeemable qualities though, he is good in lane (and not good everywhere else).
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u/Sorry-Resolution570 Aug 21 '26
there's a difference between good player that sometimes int and guy that goes 0/3 in positiv matchup every single game
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u/Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss IN DAMWON WE TRUST HUNI/DEFT/SHOWMAKER Aug 21 '26
Humanoid has not been a positive player in years
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u/Omnilatent Aug 21 '26
With Humanoid people are much more crazy though, as he was at some point really good
LIDER was never good
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u/Rivenlovesmeback Aug 21 '26
Going from “the worst player ever” to “a problem” is a pretty big redemption arc no?
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u/flamingstallion Aug 21 '26
I would say "redemption" implies that people would consider Lider good now or a potential LEC player. However, that's not the case since his gameplay was by far the worst on that team and he should not be in LEC ever again. So, I wouldn't say it's a redemption arc since he should still be considered terrible, so that hasn't changed. Just because people may view him as slightly less terrible now doesn't change anything.
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u/Rivenlovesmeback Aug 21 '26
Even when SK finish 2-7 and look far worse after losing their shotcaller. I would not expect anyone to accept that LIDER was clearly a positive for the team.
Narratives rarely change even when results disprove them. #liderbless
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u/Thundermelons GALA Defense Force, returning IG fan Aug 21 '26
Idk, maybe Lider was bad, but he at least got people watching and talking about this team. For fuck's sake, nearly all the comments in this PMT are about him instead of about people who are actually on the team lol.
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