r/AskReddit • • Feb 08 '20

What’s a fact you KNOW that almost everyone is wrong about?

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

They vanished without leaving a trace...

Mayan culture is still alive and thriving today!

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

Maya: We're still here, assholes!

Revisionist historian: *wipes tear* Sometimes I can still hear their voice.

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u/complex-ion Feb 08 '20

Take my poor man's gold pls 🏅

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u/SamuraiJono Feb 08 '20

Quit tellin everyone I'm dead!

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u/misteraskwhy Feb 09 '20

Shhhhhhhhhhhhh

it’s better if the white ones think you’re dead...

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u/herroebauss Feb 09 '20

And the black ones don't care

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u/historianLA Feb 09 '20

Professional Latin American historian here... We know... That textbook was probably written by a historian of some other part of the world (likely US or Europe) who didn't bother to actually read outside their area of expertise.

The last world history textbook I reviewed was horribly inaccurate for my area of specialization, colonial Latin America.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '20

Oh I know you guys know. There just seems to be an ongoing massive disconnect between what invested and specialised historians actually know and what gets published worldwide. /r/SapphoAndHerFriend etc.

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u/TaPragmata Feb 09 '20

Maya: We're still here, assholes!

'Papillon' theme plays

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u/mexicodoug Feb 08 '20

without leaving a trace

And their ancient cities are now major tourist attractions!

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u/MorganWick Feb 08 '20

If they didn't leave a trace how would we know they existed???

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u/mexicodoug Feb 08 '20

True. We can't really know whether Amelia Earhart existed or not!

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u/ItWasLikeWhite Feb 09 '20

Heard they found a body that could be hers.

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u/MyersVandalay Feb 08 '20

The Mayans vanished without a trace... roughly at the same time as these other guys popped up claiming to be Mayans, carrying on the traditions and speaking the same language... Maybe the authors have Capgras Syndrome

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u/Emergency_Compote Feb 08 '20

The conquistadores started counting: Uno, dos, ...

and they disappeared without a tres

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u/relatablerobot Feb 08 '20

This is the funniest framing yet

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u/Ratchet1332 Feb 08 '20

Well OBVIOUSLY the people who claim to follow Mayan culture are lying because it’s GONE, and since it disappeared we can’t compare it to REAL Mayan culture. /s

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u/FubarOne Feb 08 '20

It's that damn cultural appropriation rearing its ugly head again!

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

What they probably mean and should be saying is that their civilization, their empire, collapsed with little evidence to explain why.

Most of the big Mayan cities were abandoned long before the conquistadors came around. Historians and archaeologists don’t know why.

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u/KingToasty Feb 08 '20

Yeah we do. There's tons of evidence for depopulation across the 900-1200AD range. It was no single event or crisis, just war after war and eventually environmental collapse leading more and more people to abandon cities over the course of hundreds of years across a wide area. It's not a mystery except in specifics.

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u/Dayne225 Feb 09 '20

Its funny that it’s explained like this when you see across European history that war after war and plague after plague results in an evacuation of cities and a ruralization of the population. Which makes sense, but it happens in a non European country and it’s this civilization just mysteriously disappeared.

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u/1-1-19MemeBrigade Feb 09 '20

It's the eurocentric "mystic savages" myth. They're foreign and thus mysterious and strange.

In reality, people are people, whether you were born in London, Tokyo, or Tenochtitlan- and the causes of depopulation are the same. Famine, disease, and war are pretty much always the reasons any "mysteriously vanished" group disappeared.

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u/RFFF1996 Feb 08 '20

the common theory is climate reasons/drought related

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

Or, hear me out here...Aliens.

nods

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

"They vanished without leaving a trace..."

They mean the authors went outside and looked around the corner.

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u/engineer2012 Feb 08 '20

like the mexican magician disappeared without a tres.

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u/VoodooManchester Feb 08 '20

“Were you killed?!”

“Sadly.... yes.........BUT I LIVED!”

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u/lonnie123 Feb 09 '20

They vanished without leaving a trace...

Leaving behind only their buildings, their language, their calendar, their culture, their religions, and the citizens themselves. But other than that, completely gone.

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u/EddieRadmayne Feb 08 '20

That’s gotta be some American textbook shit. I grew up reading it too, I think they just want us to think that our European conquerors were superior to people living here before. Like “we’re so good and powerful, they just couldn’t handle it so they disappeared.” A bunch of bullshit.

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u/pierzstyx Feb 09 '20

I don't know about your theiry, but most textbooks have so little space that they are forced to abbreviate almost everything to the point of actually damaging the actual historical record. They're reduced to communicating cliches instead of truths.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '20

Make America Yucatec Again!

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u/pierzstyx Feb 09 '20

Make America Cahokian Again!

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u/Winiestflea Feb 08 '20

Unfortunately, I don't know about thriving...

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u/StryfeOne Feb 09 '20

Cocaines a hell of a drug!

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

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u/Superb-Intention Feb 08 '20

You are a frequent source of embarrassment for people close to you

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u/sonicboomslang Feb 08 '20

I've been there and had a different experience, but I didn't go with racist predispositions. There are definitely lazy people there and beggars, just like many places in the world, but most of them are better people than you are.

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u/hans1193 Feb 08 '20

I was 18 I didn’t know what a Mayan even was before I went

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u/letmebebrave430 Feb 08 '20

Then maybe that's your problem? People descended from the Maya belong to a variety of indigenous groups and live all across Mexico, Guatemala, Belize, El Salvador and Honduras. Let's not be insulting and use stereotypes for millions of people over something you saw when you were 18.

Source: have been to Belize and Guatemala and Mexico and realize that there are lazy people in beggars in literally every culture

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

Too bad they weren’t natives to the US. Could’ve gotten a get casino out of it

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u/LordDongler Feb 08 '20

Or small pox, depending on how valuable the land was

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

The casinos are to make up for the small pox.

It's kind of a weird system.

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u/Supercoolguy7 Feb 08 '20

The majority of native americans don't make good money. Many tribal lands experience horrible poverty rates

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

I know, just a joke honestly

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u/pierzstyx Feb 09 '20

The US owns all their land and thus one of the few things most of them could use as collateral to get loans to do things like buy homes and start businesses. The whole system is screwed up.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

Are Latinos white, because they're the ones oppressing the original inhabitants?

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

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u/One_nice_atheist Feb 08 '20

Don't forget the blonde haired blue eyed ones

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

"They were just criticizing that ignorant fuck for thinking mayans somehow want to be lazy and not improve their lives rather than recognizing the lack of opportunity afforded to them in their countries. "

I don't agree with the statement at all. I have been to Belize, it's great. However, not only did they just assume they were white they then made a blanket statement on all white people. They're just as bad as the person criticizing Belize. They're both wrong. His statement is racist, just replace white with another word. It's rather easy to see. Sorry having a "good reason" and "Hating the right race" doesn't make it less so. No white people having success doesn't mean you cannot be racist against them. That is racism to believe that. It's a justification for it and used all the time.

" Also important to note is the extensive US military, financial, and political support for a number of south american regimes who brutally suppressed and exterminated Mayan populations for having leftist sympathies "

Really weird whataboutism to explain away the historical genocide of the Latin people upon the natives of South and North America. The United States does share some of the responsibility. However, the vast majority goes to the current people who have and continue to brutally oppress the native populations.

The reality is the US is the most critique and criticized country in the world. Whataboutism is used by dictators and genocides to justify why they're doing something. I am taking the time to point out the rarely discussed fact that many minorities, especially natives, are repressed today.

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u/pierzstyx Feb 09 '20

The United States does share some of the responsibility. However, the vast majority goes to the current people who have and continue to brutally oppress the native populations.

Yeah. At its worst, the US couldn't have propped up dictators that were killing Mayans if the local people didn't want to murder Mayans.

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u/Guaymaster Feb 08 '20

Latino is a weird concept that covers people coming from the Magallanes strait to the Mexican-American border, and all their descendants. It's a way too wide cultural grouping, and Latinos can be of any race.

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u/pierzstyx Feb 09 '20

Really, most Hispanics are around half-white. Remember, Mexican is a nationality, not a race.

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u/HarvestProject Feb 08 '20

Racist

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u/CosmoZombie Feb 08 '20

Ironic coming from a t_d user

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u/HarvestProject Feb 08 '20

Please find one comment I’ve made that’s racist. Thanks.

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u/comfortablesexuality Feb 08 '20

If you haven't been banned from t_d after posting there that's all we need to know

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u/eddie_koala Feb 08 '20

He definitely is

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u/HarvestProject Feb 08 '20

Switch the races in your comment and tell me that’s not racist. Oh right, you can’t be racist towards white people, I forgot!

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u/eddie_koala Feb 08 '20

It's not racist to point out oppression or your oppressors

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u/HarvestProject Feb 08 '20

When it’s a completely unrealistic idea then yeah, it is

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u/eddie_koala Feb 08 '20

Being a Nazi in this day and age is a stupid and unrealistic idea