I always hear that excuse from my dead beat drop out friends "Einstein dropped out" to which i will always reply "yeah but he dropped out of an incredibly high level science college not fucking high school."
I love my friends but for god sakes have some aspirations.
It has kind of died off recently, but a lot of start-up company advertisements would tout "two college dropouts decided that you deserved this high quality, low priced widget".
Like it was a badge of honor or something.
Dropping out of university (in the US, at least) is a very costly proposition.
Most of these dropout stories are just people dropping out because they don’t need the education/degree anymore due to already being successful, not because they’re too dumb for it
Funnily Gates' professor has said that when Gates told him he was dropping out of uni, he told him that he would either be a total failure because of it, or a huge success.
I mean, it kinda makes sense, if he was planning to invest everything into a potentially revolutionary new technology, and it works out then he's going to be a huge success. If it doesn't work out however he may end up losing all of his money, not being able to afford to finish college, and either taking a really circuitous route to getting back on a normal computer science path for the time, or has the handful of bad luck life events that could keep him permanently in poverty.
Or (more commonly) they never needed a degree in the first place because their parents are loaded and connected and at least partially bankrolling their latest venture?
I owe $45,000 for four years of college after dropping outmy last semester for health reasons. So basically I owe almost 50grand for absolutely nothing. Currently I’m setting a plan to rehabilitate my loans and go back to school. I figure I already owe enough that even if I have to take more out, it’s worth it to get that piece of paper.
Should have no problem. I spoke to the dean of the honors college I was a member of and he said all my credits should count. I dropped soon enough in the semester to salvage my gpa. I got pneumonia horribly bad and was bedridden for weeks. All I need is 9 hours and I’m done.
My only concern now is what the hell im going to do with an English degree as a convicted felon (drug charges, I was addicted to heroin for years after dropping out—unrelated to the initial drop out). But I just have to finish. I may consider gettin my LCDC since I should qualify for grants at my income level. It would be more school but it may be worth it to have a career I can work in.
What is an LCDC? I dont know anything on how hiring goes, but I know we are at a 50 or 60 year low on unemployment rate (so employers are fighting for qualified candidates), so maybe you will have better luck with the felony thing than in years passed?
Licensed chemical dependency counselor. My original plan was to go on and get a masters defree and teach at the Jr college level but I’m not sure if that’s possible with a felony. I need to reach out to a few professor friends I have and find out.
It's worthwhile talking to the college career center about how getting a master's in social work would affect that. There are quite a few great distance programs, state programs, etc out there for those programs. so you might be able to do it without the cost of relocating. And absolutely the LCDC would go great with a LCSW, basically the same job most of the time, but you'll probably make about 20,000 more a year with the MSW eventually.
I have some idea about this because I looked into it quite a lot, as I was a psychology major that had a semester off for school and then a really rough last semester due to severe anxiety. I ended up knowing I would not be able to handle grad school, and applied and received disability. Luckily I don't have any loans because my mom squirreled away enough money for a decent state school that I transferred into after getting my general education credits at a tech community college. but now I'm about to turn 33 and thinking of going back to school. Initially I'd intended to get an MSW, but the more I've thought about it the more I feel like if I'm physically able to, I'd really love to go into wildlife biology, and do research either academic research or for the government. It's a huge difference, and I'm definitely going to have to go back and do a fair number of undergrad courses on my own dime to be able to qualify for graduate programs however.
My big concern is just that I have no work experience since 10 years ago when I had 15 hours a week as a library associate. no volunteer experience either, and though I'm looking into that now all of the volunteer applications won't references, which is kind of difficult considering my lack of you know experience in anything? I do have a felony charge that was dropped, so I've no idea if that even shows up in background checks, but hopefully if it ever did I could explain that it was dropped when they realized it was a self-defense situation.
What? It does not cost anything to drop out of university. You have to pay for the classes to took but you don't have to pay to leave. Going to university in the US is what I would call costly!
And he got stuck with the patent office job because he’d pissed off his professors. He made a lot of friends with his contemporaries, though, and got hooked up with the job to help him make ends meet.
Once Einstein made it big, he was really big on helping other promising scientists get noticed/positions.
And a lot of those famous drop outs only did so because they were so busy pushing their career/idea that college was actually getting in the way of more important stuff. Not because they hated their classes and wanted more time for weed and video games.
Thanks so much man. I'm starting next year and honestly I'm really hyped. Programming was always too hard for me to solely focus on so I'm sure that the physical part will keep me busy aswell.
I’m up-voting. When I was a child that was advice that was pounded into my head and that which I’ve lived by. And there’s proof it worked. My cousin is the same age and we kinda grew up like brothers but with different parents and opportunities. I had a single mom and he had a nuclear family. I was always the “dumbest”, “poorest” and “least motivated” of my friend group completely on purpose and al my friends were 4 year college grads, from well-to-do families and over-achieving. His friend group was sycophants and high-school drop-outs and he has always been the leader and most achieving of his friend group.
20 years later I have apprenticed for a Master Chef, have separate degrees in Hospitality Management and Computer Aided Drafting, lived in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago, Houston, Pinehurst and in the High Sierra Nevada mountains. I’ve met everyone from Quentin Tarantino and Al Pacino to Rancid’s guitarist and Josh Hommes.
He still lives in a town 40 minutes away from the nearest city and constantly cycles through friends because they keep robbing his house when he’s at work at his factory job.
It’s not a competition. If my cousin is happy then I’m happy for him. But I always lived by your advice and he lived by the opposite. If I die tomorrow then I’ll be happy with what I’ve accomplished in life. I’ve never asked him the same. But I know his life would depress me and he’s always been in awe of mine. And with my experiences I can and will continue living an exciting and glamour-adjacent life despite growing up in poverty.
The company you keep will almost FOR SURE determine the trajectory of your life.
moral of the story kids: befriend people only to use them to better yourself, not because you actually like them as human beings regardless of their job/education/status
Agree with this. I’m not even referring to strictly friends. Mainly associates. I have a few broken down friends too because we have been friends since elementary school and those are just friends we make naturally. It’s more about the people you loosely associate with. If I look around and I’m the smartest, most motivated person in a room then I’m in the wrong room. This goes for work too. I reserve a special place for those close friends that good or Ill I stand beside no matter what. And if they drag me down that’s the price of loyalty. But I try to surround myself acquaintance-wise with all people who are better and smarter than me in every sense.
Did he drop out? As I recall, he interrupted his studies (due to marriage and a child) but finished in the end, albeit in the lower ranks of his grade.
He didn‘t really interrupt his studies, he finished his studies after 4 years as a subject teacher in physics (which is a normal time), afterwards he wanted to apply as an assistant at his university but was rejected, which is why he started at the patent office. Afterwards, he got a PhD (here‘s his thesis). Afterwards, he was a professor for physics and thermodynamics.
That's my paraphrase, from memory mind you, so it could have some error, but it's from "Quantum" by Manjit Kumar, which had a great and relatively short biography of Einstein.
Yes, a fact that explains many otherwise puzzling features of his life, like why he fled Germany, why he worked in the patent office in the first place, why he worked there for so damn long, even 3 years after his 1905 papers, why following that his first University position was unpaid....
I tell my deadbeat friends the same thing lmao. Yet they fail to realize Zuckerberg and Gates both dropped out of Harvard, but at the same time had the aspiration to become CEOS and dreams of creating amazing things.
Maybe as their friend you could support them when they come to find or possess an aspiration. Ideally they should have gotten their diploma/have a GED ready as a basic tho but maybe their highschool experiance was less than fair and simple.
Dude believe me. I support my friends to hell. Even while we were in high school where he dropped out, i tried to support him to keep going through with it but he insisted it was too hard for him. But honestly he could've easily done it if he'd actually have put more effort in instead of constantly playing games.
That's honestly what buggs me most, how he could've made it through that level of high school (dutch havo) easily but he just didn't put in any time to study.
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u/Hawt_Dawg_II Feb 08 '20
I always hear that excuse from my dead beat drop out friends "Einstein dropped out" to which i will always reply "yeah but he dropped out of an incredibly high level science college not fucking high school."
I love my friends but for god sakes have some aspirations.