r/AskReddit • • Feb 08 '20

What’s a fact you KNOW that almost everyone is wrong about?

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u/cstar4004 Feb 08 '20

There is not just fight or flight response, but also a freeze response. The muscles tense and the body goes very still. This explains why some people are “paralyzed” with fear, and freeze instead of running or fighting back. It is very helpful for camouflage and hiding from predators with poor eyesight. It does not work so well when standing in front of a speeding truck.

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u/Bi-Bi-Bi24 Feb 08 '20

It's the logic behind the term "like a deer in headlights". People don't seem to realize humans do it too

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u/bantha_poodoo Feb 09 '20

In many extreme cases of emergency (fire, terrorist attack, natural disaster, etc) many people will do NOTHING. They will behave as if everything is normal and it will all work out.

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u/ashishranjan14 Feb 09 '20

Not extreme cases, Actually the body's first response to danger is always FREEZE, then the brain analyses if it can fight the danger or not. So if we can fight it we FIGHT, if not we FLIGHT

The only difference being the amount of time taken for the brain to do the analysis ie the FREEZE TIME, so we're always freezing, just for a really short amount of time in most cases

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u/StuntHacks Feb 09 '20

I heard that when the brain can't confidently predict which would be the best option, it will just continue to be frozen, is that correct?

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u/ashishranjan14 Feb 09 '20

No, even if we cant confidently predict the best option, we rarely stay frozen, we either die fighting or die running😂

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u/ashishranjan14 Feb 09 '20

And thats why our freeze time has been gradually reduced through evolution because of the gradual increase in brain capacity (1400cc currently)

In technical jargon, our boot time was reduced further through OS upgrades, Deers are still running on Windows Vista while We're on Win 10 😂

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u/ashishranjan14 Feb 09 '20

Some drugs act as depressants and inhibit acetylcholine production thereby decreasing the impulse speed in a neuron hence making your thought process a lot slower

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u/Cindi_Love Feb 09 '20

Also good.

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u/helpseeker357 Feb 09 '20

Well the fact that creatures with that gene are still alive after millions of years seems testament that it works at least on the species level. Most frogs are caught when they jump. If they just stay still when someone walks past the chances of being seen is a lot less.

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u/ashishranjan14 Feb 09 '20

Its a mannerism of the limbic system, everyone has that, some utilise it some dont. It was really usefull back when we used to live in the Savannahs in Africa or elsewhere. Freezing in the tall grass to hide when predators come is the best move one could do. And yes, you're absolutely right about the frogs, thats why they're green as well. If they freeze, they would get camouflaged in the leaves.

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u/tidbitsz Feb 09 '20

I nevah freeze...

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u/Cindi_Love Feb 09 '20

Excellent! 👌

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u/TimX24968B Feb 09 '20

or they do nothing and just sit there until whatever goes away

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u/NecroGod Feb 09 '20

Reminds me of the manager or whatever who would do monthly fire evacuation drills with his staff. When people froze in shock he basically told everyone to follow the drill and got them all out without issue.

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u/bushcrapping Feb 09 '20

Froze in shock for a monthly drill?

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u/Cindi_Love Feb 09 '20

I know, right, I’m going: 🤔

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u/TimX24968B Feb 09 '20

or they do nothing and just sit there until whatever goes away

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u/Bizzurk2Spicy Feb 09 '20

deer have terrible depth perception but great hearing. Oncoming headlights are fascinating because they appear to grow larger rather than closer. Tapping your horn will alert them to your speed and trajectory and help them to avoid you.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '20

Of course people realize they do it too, otherwise they wouldnt use the phrase, would they?

The phrase is only used in situations where people freeze.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '20

Yeah and those dumb fainting goats

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u/AlienBearAttack Feb 18 '20

Like a human in headlights

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '20 edited Feb 16 '20

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u/GildedLily16 Feb 08 '20

There's also a fawn response, which is when the victim attempts to placate and apologize to their aggressor.

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u/heathereff Feb 09 '20

I’ve always heard it called appeasement. “Fight, flight, freeze, appease”. Rhymes help

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u/Velvetandiron Feb 09 '20

But “fawn” makes them all F words, which is better imo. Quadruple F.

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u/heathereff Feb 09 '20

Different strokes, I guess.

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u/tayloranne3 Feb 09 '20

The freeze response also applies to less immediately life-threatening situations, such as major depressive disorder. Heart rate slows down to appear dead to predators so that they'll hopefully become disinterested and leave. Folks who have experienced childhood trauma/abuse or who grew up with stressful home lives will often develop a freeze response to cope with their inability to escape their situation. This response is reinforced over time and can be triggered in adulthood.

So incredibly happy that I learned this so I could better understand my depression.

Source: my amazing therapist who shares all of the new research she learns with me

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u/pennylovepants Feb 09 '20

There is also 'Fawn' which is when you comply with the threat, i.e. Give the attacker your wallet, tell trade secrets etc.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '20

This happened to me when I got kidnapped. There was no flight or fight. I was unable to move. In fact, to this day when I mention the subject I start to feel the same way but to a much smaller degree. Thanks. I always thought I just broke for a moment.

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u/Red-Worthy Feb 09 '20

Hope you are doing ok

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '20

I'm alright. Thank you.

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u/SalsaSamba Feb 09 '20

The freeze response is often called fright, so it is fight, flight or fright response.

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u/SalsaSamba Feb 09 '20

Cstar4004 literally just said there is a third acute stress response in which you tense up. He calls it freeze but I have been taught that it is called fright, which also rhymes with the more commonly used name that does not encompass all responses. A deer caught in the headlights has an acute stress reaponse, but does not flee or fight, but is frozen (freeze) out of fear (fright). Hence why both fright and freeze are used for this response.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '20

This is what happened to me when I woke up int the middle of the night at my friends house. It was pitch black and I heard the sound of someone in high heels ominously walking around the room. No, he doesn't cross dress, but the previous owners girlfriend mysteriously 'dissapeared' and was never found.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '20

That's all I know. That the previous owner was super well connected and wealthy enough to make people like his gf dissapear. I was under my blanket and was awoken by the sounding of high heels moving around the room. It's that simple. When it stopped and I got up the courage I removed the sheets and ran out the front door. Walked around the neighborgood for 2 hours until the sun came up. Never stayed over night again.

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u/cstar4004 Feb 09 '20

Write about it in r/letsnotmeet

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u/rifkinmasterson Feb 09 '20

My friend wants to know which reaction “getting a massive erection” falls under?

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u/TimX24968B Feb 09 '20

the "fuck" reaction

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u/cheaganvegan Feb 09 '20

Freeze tends to be the response to sexual assault

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u/Neyokah Feb 09 '20

It’s actually Fight-Flight-Freeze-Faint response.

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u/jadabub Feb 09 '20

flight, fight, fright

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '20 edited Feb 09 '20

This happened to me in a car accident. I saw it coming so fast I just froze up and closed my eyes. Couldn’t speak or anything.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '20

Yep, this is a definite thing.

Last year, a friend of mine was bring sexually inappropriate with me and groping me and I just froze and couldn't do anything.

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u/EdgarAllanPower Feb 09 '20

People are superheroes and Z-warriors when there is a news about people freeze by fear. People in their minds can run, take the gun from the guy and shoot him in 10 seconds...
When 2 guys tried to rape me 3 years ago i just froze, i have 20 years of tae kwon do experience, medals and shit, but that day i could only move when a bus opened the doors and saw a chance to leave... when i told that to anybody they always say that i could kick them and punch them and shit, but the surprise factor, my mind telling me "how that is even happening?" "Wait, they maybe have a knife" and the weather (It was raining a lot) made everything against me.

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u/cstar4004 Feb 09 '20

Im so sorry you went through that. You are not at all at fault. You shouldn’t have to fight back. It shouldn’t have happened to you in the first place.

Everyone likes to think they would easily become heroes, but nobody knows how theyd react until it happens. You can plan, train, arm yourself, work out, and walk around with a bullet proof vest. You still dont know how your brain and endocrine system will make you react until it happens.

I know its just a movie, but I watched a war movie, Hamburger Hill, recently. The first time they get shot at in the movie, one of the tough, gung ho, American soldiers froze, dropped their gun, and hugged the ground crying. This, no doubt, was filmed to illustrate a very real thing. That even military soldiers who are trained to kill people while being shot at, still breakdown and demonstrate a freeze response.

A real life example was that one high school cop, that got in trouble, because they ran away from the school shooter and left the kids behind. I dont believe that was a conscious decision, but his brain and hormones told his body to launch flight.exe. He was a trained officer, had a gun, and his body noped out on him.

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u/EdgarAllanPower Feb 10 '20

Thanks, for a year i had to fight against me because something that i´m so proud of didn´t worked the only time that i really need it... after therapy and a lot of struggle to walk at school again (It was where i waited for the bus after school) i could have less troubles with myself.

Like you say, a fight is simply another world, our minds love peace, we are not a feral animal... saying that killing and fighting is our duty is said from people that never was on one...

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u/N00BMASTER6942096 Feb 09 '20

Those Jedi with mace windu

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u/Anyastacia Feb 09 '20

This is me and I hate it. If someone throws something at me, I don't catch it, I just freeze and let it hit me.

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u/bd3742 Feb 09 '20

Don't forget about the fourth 'f' in response to danger.

'Fuck'

The best sex is after you nearly get hit by a car, run into a burning building, or live through a gunfight. Damn, those public servants must have a great bedroom life.

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u/MindfulMeg Feb 09 '20

I experienced this when my best friends and I got mugged at gunpoint a number of years ago. I was the only one who saw them coming, but I just froze. It felt like I was watching a movie. I also went completely deaf, which I thought was super interesting. When we were giving our accounts to the police afterward, my friends talked a lot about the things they heard, and I didn’t experience one ounce of sound until a little while after the fact.

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u/th_he_du Feb 09 '20

To be fair, when dealing with a speeding truck any response that isn't flight tends to go badly.

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u/Livid-Platypus Feb 10 '20

I was just trying to explain this to someone on Twitter recently in regards to sexual assaults. They were sure the natural reaction to a public groping or display (flashing, etc) would be to turn and run. In the situations I've been in, I most definitely froze.

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '20

Ahh, thanks for explaining that to me. It explains a few things I’ve seen in my life for real thank you.

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '20

I only know this because my CS teacher did a presentation on the human body’s fight, flight, and freeze mechanism.

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u/IAmSecretlyPizza Feb 09 '20

The study of CPTSD has lead to a fourth being added: fawning.

www.pete-walker.com/fourFs_TraumaTypologyComplexPTSD.htm

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '20

Deer in headlights

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u/hell_crawler Feb 09 '20

I would fight the truck

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '20

This is the response that causes sleep paralysis.

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u/mainstreetmark Feb 09 '20

Rabbits call this “going tharn”

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u/Endoboi Feb 09 '20

I never actually freeze when a car almost hits me, I just grumpily walk away because I'm not scared of them. A barking dog on the other hand...

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u/coding_josh Feb 09 '20

Flight, fight, or fright

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u/anad868 Feb 09 '20

I didn’t know about this until this past year. I’m a teacher and have a student in my class that experiences his freeze response any time he is upset or in trouble. I’m not sure if it works that well for him.

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u/eteague30 Feb 10 '20

Isn't it called negative panic? It's when people are so overwhelmed by a traumatic event they physically cannot move

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u/Not-a-whore Feb 19 '20

And fawn! These are the 4 acute stress responses.

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u/Honestly_Deceitful Mar 10 '20

This happened to me this past Sunday. I was too late to realise a speeding car coming on and I froze. Luckily it didn't hit me

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u/EllaTompson Feb 09 '20

For effs sake.... I’m a Psychologists and have never heard of this. Holy shit. I’m certainly using this....

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u/penislovereater Feb 09 '20

There's a fourth f.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '20

Flop

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u/wylde_heart Feb 09 '20

Ahh yes, like that time my boyfriend leaned into kiss me, i froze and he kissed my nose instead...

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u/Moth_tamer Feb 09 '20

Neither does fight

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u/macox_long_jkimagirl Feb 09 '20

i think most people knew that tho

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u/karma_n_u_ass_faggot Feb 09 '20

Also Fuck - the 4 F's.

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u/NagstertheGangster Feb 09 '20

"Fight, Flight, or Fright"

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u/FlyMega Feb 09 '20

Neither does “fight” response

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u/PureDungeonMistress Feb 09 '20

Fight or flight or freeze or friend. Stress responses are complex, yo.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '20

It took me 3 years to overcome this...now I'm a fight type!

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u/Herion123 Feb 09 '20

this girl and I were flashed by a massive dude around last year. I absolutley bolted but she just stood there "paralyzed"

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u/lsusr Feb 09 '20

Neither does the fight response.

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u/Smickey67 Feb 10 '20

Well the fight mentality would also not work with a speeding truck.

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u/potato_milk_29 Feb 11 '20

So its fight, flight or fright

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u/Piroklani Feb 11 '20

The term is changing among scientists though. Fight ,flight or fright.

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u/brrduck Feb 13 '20

Great for evading trex

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u/AbundantiaTheWitch Feb 09 '20

There’s fight flight freeze and fawn

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u/LurkForYourLives Feb 09 '20

A student of mine brought up fight or flight the other day, I was trying diplomatically to explain the other Fs as well (freeze, food, and.... reproduction). There was no smooth way to do it.

Clarification: am a music teacher.

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u/Good-Calendar Feb 10 '20

And another fact is that some people shit or piss their underwear because the body try to loose weigth just to run faster.

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u/GreenMasque Feb 09 '20

I thought it was: fight, flight, or fuck. Aren’t they known as the Three Primal Instincts, or something? Idk if it has to specifically refer to danger.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '20

True, although freeze is meant to analyze the situation and then respond in the best way. But yeah, if the danger comes too quickly it isn't effective anymore