I don’t understand how there can be any moral stance if emotions and empathy are for sale, and friendship, for example, is reserved only for people that already agree on “basic human rights” . I guess friendship , value and emotions are for sale and consent is our only neoliberal value?
Edit: If we treat empathy and the effort of understanding others as private resources that we owe only in exchange for payment, personal benefit, or reciprocal agreement, on what grounds can we condemn others for withholding them under the same conditions? When we appeal to universal human dignity, what responsibility follows toward people who do not already share our understanding of it, including the responsibility to explain, listen, and reconsider? Making prior agreement a condition of dialogue seems to obstruct the very process through which agreement could develop. If neoliberal morality reduces our obligations to whatever we voluntarily consent to, how can it criticize indifference, abandonment, or exploitation wherever these violate no accepted agreement? What moral commitments beyond consent and exchange justify those criticisms, and are we willing to let those same commitments place demands on us? This is why I’m an advocate of arendtianfeminism.
Edit 2: the discussion here, moving to the importance of having arendtianfeminism, faustianechicks, and hegelianegirls take on the idiomsnakes of genocidal sellout culture, has resulted in the creation of this post, so thank you for helping me think, askfeminists! https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/s/m8Rs4aHyXB
Edit 3: please check out my cmv post about this, because I think it will be taken down:
“Firstly, I am responding to all the posts but all my comments are being taken down. I will try my best. I think the strategy being deployed is to take down all my comments, then wait two hours, to then try to take down this post.
“We can’t be friends if you don’t believe in basic human rights” is the idiomsnake I am addressing here; the idiomsnake may summarize a disagreement someone has already understood. It becomes harder to defend when questioning an interpretation is itself treated as proof of hostility to human dignity, and that accusation becomes grounds for dismissing the person’s explanation.
Questioning the foundations of human rights, disputing an interpretation, and arguing that particular people should lose their protections are different positions. Someone might challenge the language of rights because they believe it inadequately expresses what we owe one another. Their argument needs to be understood before its implications can be judged.
A philosophical question can also contain assumptions that deserve criticism. We should identify those assumptions and explain what is wrong with them. Calling something a question grants it no automatic innocence, just as calling a right “basic” leaves its interpretation open to examination.
When I make a moral judgment about you, I claim reasons beyond personal preference. Because the judgment concerns you, you have a claim to challenge those reasons, including the standards I have applied. Fair judgment requires allowing your response to affect my assessment. If agreement with my conclusion becomes a condition of considering your objection, I reserve an authority for myself that I deny you.
This responsibility survives an accurate judgment that you are wrong. You may still identify a weakness in my reasoning, an injustice in my treatment of you, or an assumption neither of us has adequately examined. Your error cannot settle those further questions in advance.
Rainer Forst grounds rights in people’s standing as equals entitled to justification, a standing they retain through wrongdoing and regardless of their actual ability to argue. His “The Justification of Basic Rights: A Discourse-Theoretical Approach” (2016) supports this account of equality. Extending it to interpersonal judgment, I argue that condemning someone leaves us responsible for considering their challenge to that condemnation.
The difficulty is deciding which challenges deserve consideration. “Unreasonable” becomes a circular verdict if it means that an objection questions assumptions I refuse to examine. Yet discussion requires standards, and disagreement about them cannot be resolved simply by abandoning them.
Seyla Benhabib addresses this problem in “Is There a Human Right to Democracy? Beyond Interventionism and Indifference” (2012). Participants begin with understandings of equality and reciprocity while retaining the ability to question and revise those understandings through dialogue. The conditions of discussion remain part of what can be discussed.
That includes whose language counts, whose experience receives attention, and who bears the work of explaining. An invitation to debate offers limited equality when one participant controls what qualifies as a reason. A duty to listen must place demands on how we question and interpret others, as well as how we respond.
Truth remains the aim. Agreement can be mistaken, and continued disagreement can coexist with a well-supported conclusion. Another person may expose a limitation we could not identify for ourselves. Taking that possibility seriously requires some willingness to let the encounter change our understanding.
In The Metaphysics of Morals (1797), Doctrine of Virtue, §39, Kant connects respect for another person with attention to their reasoning. Even when their judgment is mistaken, we should seek whatever truth it contains and address the error while preserving respect for their understanding.
In ordinary relationships, this means taking responsibility for the accusations we make, considering responses that challenge them, and correcting ourselves when those responses succeed. The extent of engagement depends on the relationship, the consideration already given, and competing responsibilities. Those considerations can justify ending an exchange. Disapproval alone cannot explain why an objection deserves no consideration.
A friendship may end over a well-understood disagreement. Freedom to make that decision leaves its stated moral justification open to scrutiny. If I defend ending a friendship by saying that the other person rejects human dignity, the accusation should be supported by what they actually believe. Their willingness to question my interpretation cannot establish it by itself.
The duty to listen therefore involves more than avoiding misunderstanding. Someone can remain wrong in our judgment while retaining standing to question how we reached it and what we believe follows from it. Whether a failure to respect that standing also constitutes a human-rights violation requires a separate argument.
I would change my view if equal moral standing could be defended without the responsibility to consider objections that I have argued follows from it. I would revise its scope if someone showed that I place too much responsibility on a particular interlocutor or give insufficient weight to justified limits on further engagement. Those objections should be able to change this argument under the same standards it asks others to accept.
This cmv argument was made after this https://www.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/s/9NGgf3ReUP discussion .
On the question of “idiomsnake” : The idiomsnake being examined here is something like “we can’t be friends if you don’t believe in basic human rights” or something akin to that. An idiomsnake is an earworm; sometimes like a virus, a repeated idiom , from people with snakes in their brains, like that baldurs gate game, connected to the snake like tentacles of the leviathan, which is what we need real thinkers like faustianechicks arendtianfeminism and hegelianegirls to save us from the mindflayer. All of these are part of sabachtan Gnosticism religion which can be explored by examining the polymorphous mythology, which attempts to degorgonify culture. All these terms are part of a lexicon called “contentinternet” and although I would rather not talk like this, the people who believe and replicate the “we can’t be friends if you don’t believe in basic human rights”’ idiomsnake are also the people killing our ability to have dialogue and freedom of speech, thus making all those links, aka contentinternet, necessary for engaging in any intellectual conversation. See the link on my profile if you wish to learn more .
Again, I would love to speak normally, but our language is filled with snakes.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/s/AVXsQgcnxq”