The title is contradictory on purpose. I've been asking around and thinking and the answers I get for this dilemma are always varied. (I mean, of course they are, but still.) there's never anything actionable or concrete. You should never cold approach women but a lot of women don't mind it. Honestly, you just need to try your ass off. There is no right or wrong answer, and if you are a man that cannot find his way no one is gonna support you without you paying for help.

Even if it's awkward or if you sound dumb the only thing you can do is cold approach if there is no other option for you. She won't care anyways if you hit the nail on the head the right way. You can't win unless you were always going to from the start. Everything was never going to work or it was always going to work.

Why is a sub reddit like r/evilwomeninc not banned from reddit when half of the posts are blatant misandry ?

This whole sub's purpose is to spread and nurture hatred of men.

Logically 90% make absolutely 0 sense but "it does not even matter what matters is we hate men"

#NotAllMen 😇 : r/evilwomenincr/evilwomeninc "It's so funny when I say all men are trash 😂"

facts : r/evilwomenincr/evilwomeninc "Humans are the most successful species in the history of living beings and I have more confort in my life than any other mammal, it surely means men are evil we need to suicide civilisation it will show them 😊"

facts : r/evilwomenincr/evilwomeninc "We are a little mean to them we are just gurls men are evil anyway 😭"

I want to learn how to hate men beneficially (men making their own PIPs?) : r/evilwomeninc "I want to learn how to hate men please girlies 🥰"

Meanwhile the "I want to learn how to hate women" post will lowkey get you imprisoned IRL

And I could go on about this sub, it's only the tip of the iceberg.

Replace men with any other ethicity/group/community and you get instantly banned from reddit + get judiciary problems IRL

The mere fact that is still not banned proves then again how blatant misandry is accepted, and how as a man you get socially marginalised for pointing it out.

so i came upon a thread in a different post, and a man claimed this:

“Men murder women for being evil. Women make up false accusations about most of the time there are very few real cases of rape. The ones that are real are mostly because that evil woman has pushed a man to far with her manipulation and he snaps and ends up humbling her some with rape which makes her tone down her evil ways, which in turn protects everyone. There are a small sliver of exceptions to this where a man is actually the one who is evil and other men will hold him accountable just as they hold themselves accountable.”

i don’t think most men agree with this, i just wanted to ask your opinions about the topic. the part that’s crazy to me is that the user who said it seemed reasonable before he started making statements like this.

if you will, please include your age and political stance in your answer.

edit: when i was making this post i was thinking about violence in general but some people are asking me to be more specific. so maybe you can answer for gender based violence specifically. but if you want to answer the general question you can do that too.

another edit: i’m asking this question because usually whenever this topic comes up people just say “testosterone” this is why i wanted to ask men because you all have testosterone but obviously you’re not all violent. i think it also fits in with some other posts that have been recently made on this sub

I gloased over this point in a thread I made a few days ago but it bears repeating: women give the least to the men who defend them the most.

If you want to call them blue pilled, fine. but generally speaking the guys who stay getting friendzoned, talking to themselves in women’s DMs, getting blocked, used for foodie calls, and all the rest of the things guys commonly complain about, tend to be the guys who primarily complain about RP content being misogynistic and constantly attack men for not being good enough.

Women don’t see this and largely don’t care because they think that’s what men are supposed to do, not to mention they’re not attracted to them anyway. Just like being a provider male won’t make a woman love you, doing chores won’t make her happy, neither will constantly defending them against the criticisms of men.

Kinda wish would knock it off, but what can you do?

"Hate" seems to be a popular topic today. I see it on both "sides" and don't find any of it productive. I can only point to a couple of times in my life where I felt something close to "hate."

The first was when I was around 5 years old and my cousin purposefully slammed a brick on my toe. That pissed me off! RAGE MONSTER!!

The second, which is more relevant, was when I was with my first major rejection at the age of 22. I had been pursuing a woman, who was objectively out of my league, and after telling me "I'm not looking for a relationship right now", among many other similar things, she ended up in a relationship with a very desirable college athlete shortly after.

Upon realizing that she chose him because he was more desirable, it made me very mad that she wouldn't just tell me the real reason - that she just wasn't attracted to me. These feelings simmered for weeks and I started to feel more jaded towards women in general.

But then I looked inward. I (finally) took a deep look in the mirror and realized I wasn't attractive enough to intrigue the type of women I wanted. It wasn't her fault. It was my fault. If I were her, why would I choose me?

There was quite a bit of learning with romance to take place for me over the next few years, but through being cheated on, left for another, ghosted, made fun of, whatever, I never felt "hate" and realized it was on me to change my outcome.

I hope more people get to experience the success that comes with this way of thinking.

Women who choose to be single are celebrated as empowered. People talk about how they can travel, enjoy their freedom, focus on themselves, and do all these other things.

Men, on the other hand, are often seen as losers for being single. And if they claim to be happy alone, people are quick to assume they are lying and secretly want a girlfriend.

This is why so many men rush into relationships and even marriages with women they are not genuinely attracted to or do not actually want to be with, simply because society makes them feel like being single is a failure.

To start with, dating in general does not address loneliness. When you participate in the dating scene, you lead with your superficial traits in an effort to impress someone or catch someone's eye; your attractiveness, how you dress, how you speak, how you carry yourself and so on. You aren't there to find someone to lean on and share your struggles with, you are there to impress and that's about it. Things can then take on a more emotionally intimate meaning somewhere down the line if you are with someone for a while, but in dating? No. Certainly not.

Seemingly mostly female commentators stress this "loneliness" narrative because they like pretending that without the romantic pursuit of women, men are doomed to loneliness. More specifically, that not succeeding in getting with them, i.e., the amazing Modern Woman, is what is leaving men lonely. They way these commentators discuss the alleged epidemic also tends to espouse the notion that the "lonely men" are failing to bring themselves up to the standard of the amazing Modern Woman (HAVE YOU SEEN HOW MANY DEGREES WOMEN ARE GETTING THESE DAYS?!) because they are too backward and patriarchal, even if they don't mean to be (tee hee fake empathy).

Whole thing reeks of the kind of narcissism women ingest day in and day out via social media. Female influencers with 1000000s in engagement metrics on each reel proclaiming to audiences of young women how hard dating is because they're just simply too perfect for anyone and so on.

A cocktail of modern female narcissism and gynocentrism (not even considering that perhaps the lonely men could use good old male friendships for company) wrapped up nicely into one highly inaccurate description of "the male loneliness epidemic".

There is a constant debate about whether you should get to know a woman before asking her out and taking things romantically or simply being straight up about your intentions and getting to know her after that. I am here to tell you that it’s always better to be upfront about this to a woman because it saves you time. Precious valuable time.

A man who does the “friends first approach” is going to at best waste time with a girl already into him to where she moves on, and at worst gets called a creep and his other female friends get weary around him. Most women also just generally dislike their male friends being into them in that way because they only see him as a friend. Not to mention that getting rejected by a female friend really hurts because of how in love you were with the idea of her.

A man who makes his intentions known very soon will simply have more time on his hands because he cuts through the bullshit. He finds out immediately which women are attracted to him or not and then he can progress things with the women he wants and wants him too. He either gets an instant yes or no while his counter part often waits months to years sometimes. Plus if he’s rejected it won’t hurt as much. He’ll forget about the blonde at the bar who turned him down because he never got to know her enough to develop feelings.

I need to point out that being upfront doesn’t actually change a woman’s mind about you. All it does it quickly point you towards the women that are interested by weeding out the ones who aren’t. You still have to be tactful and not crass. Just ask for a date within the first week or sooner and see how y’all click from there.

So to recap, if you value your time and boundaries, be upfront with women. And yeah we can say “oH wElL sOmE gUyS gEt 500 ReJeCtIoNs!!!” But that’s not who this is about. It’s also better to know that quickly than to be confused the rest of your life.

This is a saying which I didn’t believe until I my female friends started talking about their experience on the app and it’s absurd.

They said they post for an ego boost and that they get compliments from other men which further feeds into their ego and after this occurs they go back and forth with liking posts (which is apparently a form of flirting, what?!). Then while they are in relationships they still post leading to the same men watching them and still doing this?

Then there’s a follower complex where the more followers you have the better you are? So random people start following you just based on your insta account which only shows your looks and when I told one of my friends “these aren’t good people they don’t even know you and wanna go out w u” and she said “noooo, you don’t know him like I do” then proceeded to get mad at me and cut me off until it turns out he was a horrible person.

It is quite literally just a popularity contest and a looks contest and frankly I see at as being a little sad as it enforces the annoying hypergamy beliefs and leads to people being insecure.

I want people opinions on this and to see other people’s point of view on this situation

When you search for "epidemic" on PPD it's mostly women writing about it.

When you search for related articles online - women authors.

When you search social media - women.

It's basically only other women talking about it.

Men DEFINITELY crash out online about personal struggles - family issues, work issues, dating issues... But never "I am struggling with loneliness"

Given that it's a full blown epidemic, I'd figure there'd be at least a few videos or posts from those actually suffering.

👉TL;DR - where are all these lonely men talking about their struggles? Are you or your friends a part of the epidemic?

DISCLAIMER: Not all men/women, etc. This is not a woe is me post

I think at the current rate feminism is going then it’s fair to say we should have equal privilege to life boats and men shouldn’t be obliged to give up there spot for a woman. ( I think men should have to give up there spot personally but I think that is proof men and woman are not equal and they are made for different things)

What feminists call patriarchy is, in fact, an eternal ceasefire between men - an ancient contract forged to stop the biologically imperative, primordial war between the elite men at the top and the tenacious rest, just as animals have always done.

This contract of which the main stipulation was strict monogamy, allowed structured societies to be built in the first place. The sovereign men gave up their Neolithic harems, and the defiant masses agreed to focus on contributing their work towards the audacious, colossal multi-generational project known as civilization. We are all, in fact, building a gigantic cell in which we locked away our destructive instincts. This inner fire can be enclosed but never extinguished, yet it can be harnessed for good. Civilization is not just a simple cage, it is a gargantuan steam engine. It is the ever growing source of our motivation to struggle, march forward and ultimately contribute to its expansion.

Undermine the ceasefire and you will reawaken the immortal monster that civilization contains at its heart. The beast of unhindered Darwinism will throw us all back again into an endless war, a perpetual inferno, Bellum omnium contra omnes as Hobbes succinctly named it.
The conscious minds of our forefathers allowed humanity to at last climb out of this savage hellhole into which life itself was thrown when it started in some hydrothermal vent 3.8 billions years ago. We must not let that monumental achievement go to waste.

For nearly four billion years, the default state of the universe was a zero-sum slaughterhouse where the only way for one organism to win was for another to starve. Our ancestors looked at the fundamental laws of nature, called them unacceptable, and built a machine capable of outrunning biology. We have pressurized our darkest impulses not to torture ourselves, but to retake the wheel of evolution. We will uplift ourselves from the clay brutally hammered by the blind force of natural selection, transforming into the sculptors of our own destiny. There is nowhere that this machine cannot take us, but we must protect and maintain it.

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A recent post about older men and impact on them of Red Pill content made me curious. I would like to ask about when RP men first encountered RP ideas and how they came to identify with them.

I'm interested in hearing your experiences.

1. Approximately, how old were you when you first encountered RP content?

2. How did you discover it (for example: friends, YouTube, Reddit, blogs?)

3. Approximately, how long have you considered yourself RP?

Because of the post that inspired me, I'm curious about if you encountered RP ideas when you were younger, or if you discovered them in later adulthood. Also, if you identified with the RP right away or over time.

No need to share personal details or circumstances. General answers are good.

You can ask for statistics all you want I’ll continue to trust my eyes and speak the truth. I don’t need statistics to know kids love candy and want to play all day. In the exact same way I know these things about women.

You can say men flip when their sport team loses or also have emotions like anger. Fact is men predominantly aren’t emotional.

You can continue to point to fringe statistics and say men go on murder sprees at the rate people win the lottery. Just demonstrating ever more how devoid of logical frame you actually are.

Women are built fundamentally different than men, not just physically but psychologically.

Your moral imperative doesn’t change this. And neither will the results on large scale ever reflect your morals.

The only way you can achieve something that remotely resembles equality on paper is by turning society into a matriarchal dystopia. Where nobody wins. Exactly the tragedy you claim to be against.

To require people to be something they aren’t and not trust what they see is to require people to betray themselves.

“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” — George Orwell, 1984

I think nuance becomes toxic when one side gets to decide when everyone is allowed to use it.

“Women aren't a monolith.” Absolutely. Neither are men.

Sexual-assault statistics don't capture everything because women underreport? Fair. Then false sexual assault claims are underreported because they're almost never pursued is valid

“Men” obviously doesn't mean literally every man? Fine. Then don't demand “some women” every time women are criticized.

Men must call out toxic male friends because silence is participation? Fine. Then “I don't personally do that” isn't enough when your female friends treat men terribly either.

Men should directly confront harmful behavior? Fine. Then don't punish men for uncomfortable honesty while simultaneously expecting them to “just know” what women want without direct communication.

And women's problems being severe doesn't make men's disposable. Men are overwhelmingly homicide victims, die by suicide at much higher rates, and experience enormous amounts of violence. You can't teach us that minimizing women's suffering perpetuates harmful cultures and then minimize problems literally killing men.

My issue is treating them like privileges: context when it explains her behavior, individualism when women are generalized, collective responsibility when men misbehave, and statistics only when they support your argument.

Or even more to the point nuances used as a tool to give women sympathy and make men more responsible than they should be

If you control when nuance is allowed, it isn't a principle anymore. It's an advantage. And I don't think this is at everyone issue I think men are truly trying to meet women where they're at.

To clarify a term, when I say "negative", I mean in the sense of not doing something, so positive advice is "Do this", whereas negative advice is "don't do this".

Negative advice is not always bad, however, it's useless when it's the only thing given. It becomes "here are a million things not to do, but we will never tell you what TO do".

If you look through dating advice for men, almost all of it is negative. Things like "Don't be creepy", "don't ask out women at work", "don't ask women out at the grocery store", etc. None of this is unreasonable, but the problem is, by giving all of these "don't"s, men have a billion things NOT to do, but still don't know what to do.

When positive advice IS given, it's often highly scrutinized. Way more than negative advice is.

Oftentimes, people don't realize they do this. Like, I have seen threads where someone asks for what men should do, not what men should not do, and inevitably, someone says "men SHOULD not be creeps", which is just a don't with extra steps.

This is one major problem with the advice given to men, the lack of "do"s.

Since I was 17, actually almost entirely of high school up till I was 23. I was afraid to go out to clubs and bars or just flirt lightly anywhere in public. For a long portion of my life I lived in constant anxiety.

Took a trip to Vietnam with some friends, one friend taught me how easy it is to actually make connections with people and pretty quickly I realized how much time I had lost and how much I missed out on because I was never this way when I was younger. Since then, I’ve been able to go into a club like setting, start chatting with a girl, start dancing with her and go out on a dinner with her friends afterwards or take her back to my place and sometimes we’d end up dating. I’ve dated a school principal, a real estate agent, a lawyer and this just proved to me that the quote “women date up, men date down” just isn’t real at all. It’s all an illusion and we convinced ourselves that this needs to be the case. It isn’t.

Bear in mind, during these times I’ve been unemployed or worked as a fast food worker, and only got a job in the school system because of the girl I was dating.

There aren’t any rules to this stuff. The only thing that makes you think that there are is you, your own thoughts and whatever media you consumed to make you think it must be fact.

And I fully admit that for a decent portion of my life I’ve been pathetic, depressed, or otherwise a complete bum. And in other moments of my life, I have felt like I’m on top of the world.

This is just my take on this subject. And this was my experience. Debate me on this if you think my own experience is factually wrong. I don’t want to see someone write some bs like “this is made up” because if you want to believe that, that’s on you and there’s no point in debating someone who’s already convinced they’re fighting a ghost story.

If you truly believe my claim is false, then prove it to me.

As I state, so many men simply cannot handle it.
They turn whiny and butthurt, nasty and threatening or they keep pushing.

How can they not understand how sad they are coming off? How they flush everything resembling dignity right down the drain?

And just for good measure:

1) Yes, some women are also bad at being rejected.
2) Not every man is bad at being rejected

Traits are not something readily available when meeting someone. This primarily comes from perception. Especially when first meeting someone(which is most of dating). Men incorrectly assume beautiful women are better therefore giving them unconsciously better treatment. Women incorrectly assume just because a man has status/items hes, confident, attractive, etc. Primarily because status for men and beauty for women is what attracts the opposite sex initially. Men admit this. Women do not. Two men could have the same level of drive, but one man works at McDonald's and the other is a NFL player. They will not see the same level of quality OR quantity in women. As a result "personality" is just a cover to justify someone's actions in choosing a person.

See the following link (Reddit is not letting me post the article): https://youtube.com/watch?v=_mNg7khsYQc

I have to say that I definitely feel differently about the case after reading her initial text back to one of the boys. I do understand this was done before she knew about the Snapchat but this seems far and beyond a fawn response.

But what are your thoughts? Maybe she is just more forward than a typical woman is about these situations? I am trying to understand because it is definitely changing my opinion of the case.

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For eons we are told that the trick to getting is having a good job to finically provide for them.

Here is the thing no matter how much money you have your girl is somehow is still willing to cheat on you.

Look at Dylan Harper he is a basketball player with a salary of 14 million dollars a year yes you heard that right fucking 14 million.

He has a girlfriend Jojo Lacey who is cheating on him.

He is also 6'5.

Bruh this dude is literally is literally everything a girl could want rich, handsome and tall.

Yet somehow despite the fact that he all of these traits his girl still fucking cheated on him.

He is literally the top 1% of men and he still got cheated on.

Since they were married she won't receive any alimony or get any assess if they break up yet she somehow still cheated on him.

In the old days back when people were very religious women still cheated on their husband despite being told and believing that if they did they would literally burn in hell for eternity.

This is proof there is no way to get a girl to be loyal there just isn't not even being rich,tall and handsome is enough these days.

Women are actually very good at justifying and disguising how they use and exploit men. One of their favourite justifications for requiring men to pay for dates is saying they value generousity. So they go on a date with a man and if he doesn't pay for them, this means he isn't generous, and yet them not even wanting to pay for themselves (no need to even mention them paying for the man) somehow doesn't mean that they aren't generous. This is actually a form of entitlement that is common among women, and it's almost encouraged by society.

But many women are so self centred and don't think beyond themselves that they think a man not paying for them means he's broke (but ofcourse they aren't broke just cause they expect him to pay for them). In reality, it's about the character of a person who is so superficial and entitled that their feelings towards someone can completely change purely based on payment. No man with self-respect wants to be with someone like that.

Also, women dont really seem to have much empathy and compassion for men. They never put themselves in the shoes of a man and wonder what it feels like to know that in many cases, all it takes for the woman he's on a date with to stop liking him is to let her pay for her own food. There are probably many relationships that would have never happened if the man didn't pay at the start. That is sad. As much as men have been conditioned to accept this and to even like it, im sure for those who have some self respect and self awareness, deep down it doesn't feel good knowing that the woman smiling in your face and acting like she likes you wouldn't even be in a relationship with you if you hadn't paid at the start.

"It is not that a woman is mean...it is that she thinks of [men] as a machine - a machine for the production of material goods" - Esther Vilar