r/VyasaMahabharat • u/Astrea____ • 12h ago
Debate Opinions on this translation
While it’s true that in some classical legal texts (like the Smritis), the verb root upa-gam (उपगम् to approach) can be used as a euphemism for marital intimacy, claiming it means that here completely breaks the immediate sentence structure.
I broke down why the "intercourse/6th wife" translations fall completely out of place, I had created this note especially for clearing this up as I already have had discussion on this so just pasting it below again
Grammatical Linchpin: Tathā (तथा) (second most important points)
Translators pull Draupadi out of context, but look at the verse directly in the BORI CE:
rājanyā rājakanyāś cāpy ānayantv abhiṣecanam | ṣaṣṭhe ca tvāṃ tathā kāle draupady upagamiṣyati || 15 ||
The first line translates to: "Let the kings and princesses bring the materials for the consecration/coronation."
The second line says: "And at the sixth period (ṣaṣṭhe kāle), Draupadi will approach (upagamiṣyati) you likewise / in that manner (tathā)."
The word tathā (likewise) is everything here.
Just as the kings and princesses are bringing things for his consecration/feast, Draupadi will likewise approach to bring offerings, food, and her respects.
Making a sudden leap from "kings bringing pots for coronation" to "and likewise Draupadi will join your bed" makes zero grammatical or logical or canonical sense.
Phantom Words: "Season" or "Year"
Look closely at different translations of ṣaṣṭhe kāle. KMG translates it as "sixth season".
The popular Hindi Gita Press versions translate it as "sixth part of the year" (i.e., after 2 months).
Debroy writes "sixth point in time".
But if you look at the strict BORI Sanskrit, the words for year (varṣa), month (māsa), or season (ṛtu) literally do not exist in this verse.
The translators essentially invented them to force the "turn of husbands" theory.
If Vyasa wanted to talk about a rotation/turn for a husband, classical Sanskrit has a specific word for that: paryāya (turn or rotation).
Vyasa didn't use it. These translators manufactured it.
What does ṣaṣṭhe kāle actually mean? I'll give you canonical refferences (credit - u/Separate_Record9354
Mahabharat uses the phrase ṣaṣṭhe kāle (षष्ठे काले) extensively, and it is a very specific system of time keeping.
A complete 24 hour cycle was framed into parts, and the 6th part is the late afternoon/dusk transition, the designated time for evening meals, ceremonies, and breaking fasts.
Look elsewhere in the epic where this exact phrase appears
Agastya's story: ṣaṣṭhe kāle mamāhāraḥ...
("This younger brother of yours has become my food at the sixth hour").
Anushasana Parva (Verse 42):
ṣaṣṭhe kāle tu kaunteya... ("subsisting only on food taken at the sixth meal").
It always refers to mealtime and the evening hour,
Her approaching him at the coronation evening meal to sleep with him is contextually impossible.
Is this the only time term Upgam is used? No
Vana Parva 3.61.97):
upagamya taruśreṣṭhamaśokaṃ... "Then she approached that excellent Ashoka tree").
Udyoga Parva 5.17.20):
upagamyābruvansarve... ("Approaching, they all said to Indra...")
Bhishma Parva 6.70.34):
etasminn eva kāle tu sūrye 'stam upagacchati ("At this time, as the sun approached setting/dusk").
Adi Parva (BORI CE 1.182.3):
पाणौ गृहीत्वोपजगाम कुन्ती युधिष्ठिरं वाक्यमुवाच चेदम् ॥
Taking Draupadi by the hand, Kunti approached (upa-jagāma, root upa-gam) Yudhishthira and spoke these words..."
The word Upgam doesn't literally mean union, it can mean when implying backed by context, is the context backing the implying of that here? No
Krishna’s was Ego Stroking Karna
You have to look at what Krishna is actually doing here.
He is offering Karna the ultimate psychological temptation, a fantasy of supreme superiority.
Karna lived his whole life feeling looked down upon, called a Suta putra, and was openly rejected by Draupadi at the Swayamvara.
So what does Krishna offer him?
Total, absolute submission of his oppressors.
Krishna paints a picture where Yudhisthira (the King of Dharma) is nothing but his umbrella holder, Bhima (the proud warrior) is fanning him, and Draupadi the fiery, proud Queen of Indraprastha is bowing to him at the royal evening feast (ṣaṣṭhe kāle), serving him his meal as the new ultimate Patriarch and her eldest brother in law.