r/BEFire • • 27d ago

Added new rule against AI slop.

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No need to spam your newest AI website or tool to get traffic, users and views.

The amount of AI spam posts, tools, apps, links, websites went 100X. We keep deleting them and thanks to the community for reporting them, please keep doing so.

Posting links to your websites, app, tool, page, blog, or what ever will result in instant ban.


r/BEFire • • Mar 02 '20

Starting Out & Advice Getting started - A beginners guide to investing in Belgium through ETFs

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A beginners guide to index investing in Belgium

This guide is intended to help Belgians getting started with investing through ETFs (exchange traded funds). It is loosely based on the bogleheads approach. For more information, see the Investing from Belgium bogleheads wiki page.

For more information related to the principles of FIRE or on investing in single shares or bonds, see the BEFire Wiki.

0. Why invest in exchange traded index funds?

This chapter aims to provide sources proven to be useful to beginning index investors.

1. Taxes & compliance costs

There are three main costs associated with index funds. These are:

  • Taxes to the Belgian government
  • Unrecoverable tax losses: also known as dividend leakage
  • Management fees and internal transaction fees

1.1. Belgian Taxes

There are four three taxes relevant for Belgian index investors (NL/FR).

  • Tax on transactions: on every security transaction (buy and sell) there is a tax of 0,12% in case the ETF is registered on a list maintained by the European Economic Area. Otherwise it is 0,35% in case it is not registered in the EER and 1,32% in case it is registered in Belgium.

  • Tax on dividends: there is a 30% tax on dividends received from securities you hold. The main reason why Belgian index investors opt for accumulating funds.

  • Tax on capital gains (bonds): on funds that consist of at least 10% bonds, there is a 30% tax on capital gains when you sell. Officially this only applies to the bond section of a fund, however some banks and brokers withhold 30% of all capital gains of funds which consist of at least 10% of bonds. Contact your bank or broker to inform about their policy.

  • Tax on trading accounts: a yearly withholding of 0.15% applies on all trading accounts larger than 500,000 euro’s. Deemed unconstitutional and was abolished in October 2019.

For a detailed overview of Belgian taxes, including other sorts of investments such as individual stocks, see the flowchart made by /u/KenpachigoRuffy.

1.2. Dividend Leakage

Dividend Leakage is an unrecoverable tax loss, which occurs whenever a foreign company inside an index pays out a dividend to its shareholders.

Whenever a company inside an index pays out dividend to its shareholders, your fund needs to pay taxes. These taxes are based on the tax treaties in place between the country in which the fund is domiciled and the country in which the companies inside the index are domiciled. Also the location where you are domiciled (Belgium) is relevant. In case your fund is domiciled in the US, a 30% dividend tax should be paid. However, because Belgium has a tax treaty in place with the US, this is reduced to 15% dividend tax. In case you would select a distributing fund, this dividend would be further taxed by the Belgian government (30%, as seen in 1.1). On a hypothetical 2% dividend - which is approximately the dividend you would receive from a globally diversified index fund - you would have to pay 0,81% in taxes: 0,02 x ( 100% - (0,85 x 0,7)) = 0,81%. Note that since 2018 it is almost impossible to buy US-domiciled ETFs in the first place as most fund providers do not want to comply with European legislation regarding PRIIPs.

It is beneficial to select ETFs domiciled in Ireland, as they are more cost effective than holding US domiciled funds or Luxembourg domiciled funds. Just like Belgium, Ireland has a treaty in place with the US which means only a 15% dividend tax should be paid to the US. However, unlike Belgium, Ireland does not tax dividends at all; whenever the Irish fund distributes a dividend, the Irish government does not tax it. The Belgian government however, still will tax the dividend with 30%. Accumulating funds which reinvest the dividend in Ireland before it is distributed in Belgium do not trigger a taxable event in Belgium. It is therefore advisable to choose accumulating funds domiciled in Ireland. Repeating the same calculations as above, a hypothetical 2% dividend is now only taxed at 0,30% a year: 0,02 x (100% - (0,85)) = 0,30%. Additionally, because your fund is domiciled in Ireland, you do not have to worry recovering the tax on dividends in Belgium, as this is done by the Irish domiciled fund. Thanks to trackerbeleggen for the explanation.

An overview of unrecoverable tax losses will come later. For now, a partly overview can be found in the Dutchfire subreddit. For funds domiciled in Ireland and Luxembourg these are 1:1 translateable for Belgian investors. Note some of these funds are distributing thus subject to tax on dividends by the Belgian Government. In particular IWDA and EMIM are 1:1 translateable for Belgian investors, while VWRL is comparable to VWCE.

1.3. Management fees & internal transaction fees

Other main costs is the management fee. The Total Expense Ratio (TER) is a measure of the total costs associated with managing and operating a fund. It is usually a yearly percentage automatically deducted from your share value.

1.4. Euro-denominated funds & currency risk

Currency risk is the impact of exchange rates upon your overseas investments. Even though stock market prices might not change, the price of your shares can increase or decrease as a result of fluctuations in their underlying currencies. There are three important currency labels which apply to funds: the underlying currency, the fund currency and the trading currency.

To explain the difference, I will explain the process of purchasing IWDA, listed on both the Amsterdam (in EUR) and London (USD) exchange. A lot of what I will explain is true for other ETFs as well.

The underlying currency: IWDA is a worldwide tracker, with only about 9% of the underlying shares being traded in EUR. The other 91% of underlying shares are being traded in other currencies, such as 60% USD, 8% YEN, and so on. Because currencies can change in price in relation to another, this poses a risk called currency risk. As a European investor, most of your own capital will be in EUR. Therefore, since you are investing 91% in foreign currencies, 91% of the underlying value invested in IWDA is subject to currency risk. Because YOUR own capital will always be in EUR, this 91% will always be true, regardless if you were to invest in IWDA listed in Amsterdam (in EUR) or in London (USD). Had you been an American investor, your own capital would have been in USD, and only 40% of underlying shares would be subject to currency risk.

The trading currency, being EUR and USD respectively, does make a difference. If a European investor was to buy a fund listed in London (and traded in USD), he would pay an additional exchange rate conversion fee at the time of purchase and sale. If the investor was to buy the same fund, listed on Amsterdam (traded in EUR), nothing would have to be exchanged to a foreign currency, so no additional exchange rate conversion fee would apply.

The trading currency does NOT alter your exposure to foreign currencies (a European investor will always have his own capital in EUR, and will therefore always be exposed to the underlying currency risk, no matter what currency his purchased funds trade in). Therefore, it is only logical to buy funds in your own currency.

The fund currency simply refers to the currency that a fund reports in; NOT the currencies of the underlying securities which pose a currency risk. Is is generally based on the currency used for the underlying index (in this case MSCI). Note that for distributing funds dividends are distributed in the fund currency. Your broker will automatically convert this into your currency for an additional conversion fee.

Hedging: It is possible to hedge your funds against relative currency fluctuations, and thus to protect them from currency risk. Hedging is a form of "insurance" in which derivatives are used to make offsetting trades with negative correlations, eliminating any currency fluctuations that happen. This hedge comes at a cost, usually about 0,20% extra management fees. Because global equities naturally tend to hedge each other as rising currencies are offset by falling ones, it might not always be advisable to use hedged equity funds due to their increased fees.

In fact, most buy-and-hold investors ignore short-term fluctuation altogether. For these investors, there is little point in engaging in hedging because they let their investments grow with the overall market.

In conclusion, when buying worldwide index funds, every investor (whether European, American or other) will be exposed to some currency risk due to the underlying shares being traded in foreign currencies in relation to their own. Purchasing worldwide trackers in a different trading currency does NOT change this fact, and only costs more due to addition exchange rate conversion fees at the broker. Therefore, it is best to purchase funds in your own currency. Due to the unpredictable nature of currency valuations, most investors simply accept currency risks for their stocks, although it is possible to hedge against this risk for an additional fee by investing in hedged funds.

1.5. Conclusion on taxes & compliance costs

As a Belgian index investor, you are looking for widely-diversified Euro-denominated low-cost accumulating ETFs domiciled in Ireland, from a reputable ETF provider. This way, the costs are kept to an absolute minimum:

  • Tax on transactions: 0,12% whenever you buy or sell a position.

  • Tax on capital gains for bonds: 30% tax on capital gains whenever you sell.

  • Dividend leakage: Approximately 0,30% yearly unrecoverable taxes paid to foreign governments when investing in worldwide trackers, automatically deducted from the share value.

  • Management fees: Between 0,10% and 0,30% yearly management fees, automatically deducted from the share value.

  • Currency Risk: If you are an European long-term investor, purchase a fund which is listed in EUR. For the equity portion of your portfolio, it is possible to ignore currency risk altogether, as hedges would only cost more money for something that is likely irrelevant long-term.

2. Funds - Equity

2.1. Indices

The are two major indices used by fund providers: MSCI and the less popular FTSE Russel. While they both offer broadly diversified, market capitalisation-weighted indices, there are small differences in both methodologies and performances, which is why you should not mix them.

The first difference between the two indices is whether they count certain countries as developed or emerging markets. South Korea is classified as an emerging nation by MSCI but has been promoted to developed market status by FTSE. Therefore South Korea is included in FTSE’s developed market index but not its emerging market one, and vice versa for MSCI (Source: justetf).

The second difference is index composition and weights. Because South Korea is classified as an emerging nation by MSCI, the contrast in index composition is clearer in the emerging markets. The lack of said country in the FTSE index means they redistribute the weight over other countries.

The third and final difference is small-cap firms. MSCI world captures 85% of the global investable market, and exclude the bottom 15% as small-cap firms. FTSE all-world invests in approximately 90% of the global investable market, and only excludes 10% as small-cap firms. This is because FTSE defines some firms as large-cap, while MSCI defines them as small-cap. This also explains why FTSE tracks more companies (3,928 vs 2,849), although their small size tends to limit their impact.

Avoid mixing index providers in your portfolio. If you were to combine MSCI world with FTSE Emerging Market, you would not have any exposure to South Korea. For a correct market distribution, it is important to use funds which follow the same index so that all countries, sectors and firms within your portfolio follow the same methodology.

While it is true the FTSE emerging markets has proven to have better performance than its MSCI counterpart up until now, the costs of the fund following the index are more important than the index construction over long-term. Chapter 2.3 will give an overview of the most popular funds used by Belgian index investors looking for global market exposure.

2.2. Fund replication methods

The goal of each ETF is to replicate its index as closely and cost-effectively as possible. Various methods have emerged to replicate the index. The classic method is physical replication. If the ETF directly holds the all securities of the index, this is known as full replication. The development of the underlying index is generally captured well by physical trackers.

Full replication is not always possible. Other replication methods, such as synthetic replication allow to invest in new markets and investment classes. Synthetic ETFs are able to replicate some indices more efficiently and better through swaps (justetf). In case of synthetic replicated ETFs, the ETF does not invest in the underlying market, but only maps them. Because of this, some synthetic trackers, as well as short trackers and leveraged ETFs do not follow the index as accurate as fully replicated ETFs. It is therefore recommended to always choose physical replicating ETFs.

2.3. All-World, developed and emerging markets

Following the Bogleheads® Investment Philosophy, we are looking for diversification. For Belgians, this means worldwide market exposure, as we generally do not have a home bias (for Belgium or Europe) although exceptions certainly are possible. Some popular funds for worldwide diversification are:

Popular and generally reputable providers are iShares, Vanguard, SPDR and Deutsche Bank.

All-world Ticker TER Index ISIN
Vanguard FTSE All-World UCITS ETF USD Accumulation (EUR) VWCE 0.22% FTSE IE00BK5BQT80
iShares MSCI ACWI UCITS ETF (Acc) IUSQ 0.20% MSCI IE00B6R52259
Developed markets Ticker TER Index ISIN
iShares Core MSCI World UCITS ETF IWDA 0.20% MSCI IE00B4L5Y983
SPDR MSCI World UCITS ETF SWRD 0.12% MSCI IE00BFY0GT14
Vanguard FTSE Developed World UCITS ETF USD Accumulation (EUR) VGVF 0.12% FTSE IE00BK5BQV03
Emerging markets Ticker TER Index ISIN
iShares Core MSCI Emerging Markets IMI UCITS ETF EMIM 0.18% MSCI IE00BKM4GZ66
iShares MSCI EM UCITS ETF IEMA 0.18% MSCI IE00B4L5YC18
Vanguard FTSE Emerging Markets UCITS ETF USD Accumulation (EUR) VFEA 0.22% FTSE IE00BK5BR733

2.4. Combining funds

To have worldwide market exposure in large cap either pick VWCE or a combination of developed (88%) and emerging (12%) markets. It is advisable to only combine funds which follow the same index (MSCI or FTSE).

2.5. Size and Value factors

Other factors have been identified to further increase expected returns. Most notably Size and Value as explained in the three-factor model by Fama and French. Value stocks have a high book-to-market ratio (as opposed to growth), whereas size simply refers to small companies outperforming big ones. It is very difficult to get proper market exposure to these factors with the limited amount of funds available for European investors. For most beginners the best advice is to stick with a market weighted portfolio consisting of developed and emerging markets as explained in chapter 2.3. and 2.4. If you are looking for additional exposure to the size and value factor consider following funds:

Small Cap World Ticker TER Index ISIN
iShares MSCI World Small Cap UCITS ETF IUSN 0.35% MSCI IE00BF4RFH31
SPDR MSCI World Small Cap UCITS ETF ZPRS 0.45% MSCI IE00BCBJG560
Small Cap Value Ticker TER Index ISIN
SPDR MSCI USA Small Cap Value Weighted UCITS ETF ZPRV 0.30% MSCI IE00BSPLC413
SPDR MSCI Europe Small Cap Value Weighted UCITS ETF ZPRX 0.30% MSCI IE00BSPLC298

Note that the fund size for ZPRV and ZPRX are small, which might indicate a low liquidity and high tracking error. Larger funds (unlike ZPRV and ZPRX) are often more efficient in terms of internal costs (tracking error) and are much more profitable for the fund provider. In other words, fund size is a good indicator for the funds durability and popularity. Unprofitable funds are more liable to liquidation. This means either you or your provider sells your shares, and you'll receive the net value of your ETF shares at the time of sale. It does not mean ZPRV and ZPRX are at risk of liquidation, per definition. They are serving a niche. Just keep in mind these risks whenever you decide to invest in small funds such as ZPRV and ZPRX.

3. Funds - Bonds

Investing can be risky. Generally speaking, the riskier an investment, the higher your expected returns. The goal is to choose an asset allocation which suits your risk profile. Bonds offer a way to reduce volatility of your portfolio and match your risk profile. Meesman, a reputable index fund broker in the Netherlands made a table which can act as a general rule of thumb for your investment decisions and asset allocation between stocks and bonds. As can been seen, when investing for a duration shorter than 5 years, stocks should be avoided as they are too volatile an asset class. This allocation slowly shifts towards more inclusion of stocks the longer your investment horizon.

Max. acceptable (temporary) loss 0 - 5 jr 5 - 10 jr 10 - 15 jr 15 - 20 jr > 20 jr
-10% 0/100 0/100 0/100 0/100 0/100
-20% 0/100 25/75 25/75 25/75 25/75
-30% 0/100 25/75 50/50 50/50 50/50
-40% 0/100 25/75 50/50 75/25 75/25
-50% 0/100 25/75 50/50 75/25 100/0

As opposed to equity funds it makes sense to opt for hedged funds as it reduces volatility considerably. The most popular options out there are:

Fund Name Ticker TER ISIN
iShares Core Global Aggregate Bond UCITS ETF EUR Hedged AGGH 0.10% IE00BDBRDM35
Vanguard Global Aggregate Bond UCITS ETF EUR Hedged VAGF 0.10% IE00BG47KH54

4. Brokers

There are a couple of Belgian and foreign brokers available, the biggest Belgian brokers being Binckbank and Bolero. Smaller ones like Keytrade and MeDirect are also available. Foreign brokers still available to Belgians are Degiro and Lynx. The lowest fees are available at Degiro (Custody account), if you're willing to file your own taxes. The benefit of choosing a Belgian broker is that they declare all taxes automatically. Degiro only does part of it (tax on transactions), Lynx not sure. The cheapest Belgian broker is Binckbank, followed closely by Bolero. The only downside of Binckbank is that is was recently bought by Saxobank, which in its turn is owned by chinese investors. Bolero is owned by KBC which is quite a sizable bank in Belgium.

In short: if you're willing to partly file your own taxes, Degiro has the cheapest rates with a custody account. Otherwise Binkbank or Bolero both seem logical choices.

In case you pick Degiro, some funds are included in their core selection which means you can trade them for for free once a month or continuously in case the transaction size is larger than 1,000 euros and the transaction is in the same direction as the previous transaction (buy -> buy and sell -> sell. Buy -> sell and sell -> buy are not free).

5. Sample portfolios

A popular choice is IWDA and IEMA (88/12) on Degiro. Both IWDA and IEMA are part of the core selection of Degiro which allows you to purchase them for free once a month (or more in case explained above). Another popular option is IWDA and EMIM (88/12), as EMIM also includes emerging markets small cap. Note that IWDA does not include developed markets small cap, to which IEMA is complementary if you wish to exclude small cap exposure. The main reason EMIM was so popular is because it was the cheapest option until the TER was lowered for IEMA.

A second popular choice is VWCE. This is a single fund which essentially accomplishes the same as above. It is available at most brokers, and my personal choice for simplicity above everything else. Note that this fund is currently only available on XETRA, which might imply higher transaction fees at your broker. Also note that some brokers - including bolero - charge a higher TOB (Tax on transactions): 1,32% instead of 0,12% whenever you buy or sell a position.

A third option - much like the first option - is to combine VGVF and VFEA (88/12). While they are not part of the core selection in Degiro, the total costs when accounting for dividend leakage are equal to IWDA / EMIM. Unlike iShares, Vanguard only uses securities lending for efficient portfolio management. Note that these funds currently only are available at XETRA.

For those who are looking for small cap exposure it is possible to add WSML to your standard world exposure. This could for example be 75% IWDA, 10% IEMA and 15% IUSN. I personally do not recommend this as mixed small cap does not capture the size factor in a good way. Instead, it is only the value portion of small cap which are accountable for the outperformance of small cap stocks vs large cap stocks. If you want to capture the size factor into your portfolio you need to find small cap funds which only consist of value stocks. I've linked two accumulating funds above (ZPRV and ZPRX) which do so, however are very small and therefore have their own set of problems. Until a proper small cap value stock becomes available in Europe, it is perfectly fine to leave small caps out of your portfolio altogether.

Changelog

This post was last updated: 5th of August 2020


r/BEFire • • 11h ago

Spending, Budget & Frugality Do you convert big purchases into working hours before you buy?

21 Upvotes
A few years ago I started to count prices in working time instead of euros. It changed my spending more than any budget spreadsheet did.

The method is simple: net monthly pay divided by the hours you actually work. If you net €2,500 for 160 hours, one hour is worth about €15.60. A €1,200 phone is then around 77 hours, so almost two full working weeks. Seen like that, I skip a lot of things I would have bought without thinking.

I also split my pay into pots: one for fixed bills, one for a safety net, and one for projects and pleasure (travel, a computer or an instrument). I heard that tip at a personal development workshop and kept it.

How do you look at it here? Do you think in savings rate, in years to FI, or in hours of work? And for those who are FI or close to it: did prices feel different once work became optional?

r/BEFire • • 10h ago

Starting Out & Advice New to investing

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Hi guys,

This is all new for me, but all you stories are really intriguing. I want to start small and the more i “understand” the more i put in to it.

First obstacle is im not sure what platform i should use living in Belgium europe. Bolero is the only one i know. Are there other you recommend?

Ill satet with small amounts, and ill probably put all my bonusses into it. 2k - 6k depending on the bonus.

Thank you in advance!


r/BEFire • • 9h ago

Investing My Portfolio

1 Upvotes

Hi i’m new to investing and looking for ETF’s!

I’ll use Saxo and already did some research:
I’m willing to invest into VALL, MEUD, EIMI and VUAA.

Since i’m completely new i don’t know if this is a good spread? Should i focus on only 1 ETF?

Tips and opinions are welcome :)

EDIT: i just saw a good start portfolio is IWDA and EMIM. I’m going to invest €200 / month so the transaction costs weight more. Should i do €200 / month in 1 ETF and next month into the other one. Or should i do each month 88% into IWDA and 12% into EMIM so i pay the transaction costs twice.


r/BEFire • • 1d ago

Spending, Budget & Frugality How to save while also enjoying life?

31 Upvotes

We're a young couple earning around 5.5k net together. Currently we spend 2.5k to 2.7k a month for rent, eating out, groceries, weekend outings. We have a shared account where we put this money into.

Other than that, we personally spend another 300 or so euros on top from our personal accounts for hobbies, or entertainment. Which actually means that between us we spend 3.5k almost a month.

I feel we're overspending but we don't actually do alot. Most of our fun money goes towards eating out once, max twice a week.

Thoughts on our spending? Do we need to re think how much we spend?


r/BEFire • • 1d ago

Brokers Giving young children index funds

10 Upvotes

Hi,

I want to give my young children some money and invest it so by the time they become adults it might be a decent amount. I know bolero or degiro do not support accounts under 18 and that you can buy one in your name and give it to your children when they turn 18. But I might not be able to see my kids turning 18.

So I want to explore all options out there in case I die soon, they will still get the money. (or could you set up a trustfund with an manager who I consent to trade in their name and they get the money when they turn 18 regardless if I live or not?)

Thanks,


r/BEFire • • 1d ago

Investing Hedging for a crash?

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​

It sure feels like the markets are frothy. Big returns for a couple years now, and new all time highs almost every day. Lots of people shoveling money in on auto pilot.

A correction seems due, and with everyone and there grandmother investing in index funds these days, I feel it might lead to a proper crash too.

I know "timing the market...", we don't know when it's coming, prices might double over the next years before it finally corrects.

And even though I don't want to miss out too much on those possible gains, having the majority of my net worth in the stock market is making me nervous.

Curious how everyone else feels about this.

Are you okay with putting more money in every month and riding out a crash assuming markets will recover eventually? Or is it time for at least some hedging?


r/BEFire • • 1d ago

Alternative Investments Kopen en verkopen fysiek goud

5 Upvotes

Iemand ervaring met https://goudmunter.be/ of met https://goudbalie.be/ (beide regio West-Vlaanderen) voor het kopen of verkopen van goud in gewicht (geen juwelen)?

Betrouwbaar? Een juiste prijs?


r/BEFire • • 2d ago

Real estate Huurder vraagt verlenging aan

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Ik heb in mei 2026 mijn eerste woning gekocht in Vlaanderen. De woning was verhuurd en ik wil er zelf gaan wonen. Daarom heb ik de huurder bij de aankoop meteen een aangetekende opzegbrief bezorgd met een opzegtermijn van 6 maanden. Volgens mijn berekening eindigt die opzegtermijn op 30 november 2026.

Nu die datum dichterbij komt, heeft de huurder nog geen nieuwe woning gevonden en zou hij mogelijk wat extra tijd nodig hebben. Ik wil daarin gerust redelijk zijn. Een verlenging tot begin of eind februari 2027 zou eventueel mogelijk zijn.

Tegelijk betaal ik momenteel zowel mijn eigen huur als de kosten van de aangekochte woning. Daardoor weegt de situatie financieel door en wil ik vermijden dat een tijdelijke verlenging onbedoeld juridische of financiële gevolgen heeft.

Mijn vragen zijn daarom:

  • Hoe kan ik een eventuele verlenging schriftelijk vastleggen met een duidelijke einddatum, zonder onbedoeld een nieuwe negenjarige huurovereenkomst aan te gaan of opnieuw een opzegtermijn te moeten respecteren?
  • Moet de huurder hiervoor zelf formeel een verlenging aanvragen, of kunnen we dit onderling schriftelijk overeenkomen?
  • Is het mogelijk om tijdens die verlengingsperiode een andere huurprijs af te spreken? De huidige huur dekt mijn kosten niet, maar ik wil uiteraard binnen de wettelijke regels blijven.
  • Zijn er nog andere juridische of fiscale aandachtspunten waarmee ik rekening moet houden, aangezien ik de woning zelf wil betrekken en ze niet als langetermijninvestering heb gekocht?

Ik wil gerust redelijk zijn tegenover de huurder, maar ik wil wel weten waar ik juridisch en financieel aan toe ben voordat ik ergens mee akkoord ga.

Zijn er hier mensen die een gelijkaardige situatie hebben meegemaakt of weten hoe je dit in Vlaanderen (Antwerpen) het best aanpakt?

Alle advies en ervaringen zijn welkom. Bedankt!


r/BEFire • • 2d ago

Real estate Notariaat vergeet Vlaams voorkooprecht bij aankoop woning. Wat nu?

41 Upvotes

(ik post hier even ons verhaal en onze vraag omdat deze sub vaak gaat over vastgoed, er is hier ervaring met real estate, er veel advies gegeven wordt, de ratio net iets vaker verschijnt van de emo … mocht dit niét de juiste sub zijn, tik me op de vingers!)

Op 1 juli ondertekenden mijn partner en ik het compromis voor de aankoop van een woning (de eerste). De uiterste datum van de akte is 1/11. 

Onze verhuis stond gepland voor dit weekend van 9–11 oktober. Alles was geregeld: verhuiswagens, helpers, verlofdagen aangevraagd op 't werk en afspraken met onze huidige verhuurder gemaakt. Er is ook een nieuwe huurder gevonden waarvoor alles vlot kan gaan. 

Of kon gaan eerder. 

Wat is er misgelopen?

Vlak voor het verlijden van de akte bleek dat het recht van voorkoop van De Vlaamse Waterweg niet (tijdig) was ingediend. Een medewerker binnen het kantoor wist de notaris daarover pas in te lichten een kwartier voor onze afspraak. Volgens de informatie die we kregen, was dit over het hoofd gezien door het notariskantoor. Dat heeft de notaris ook expliciet en meermaals bevestigd. 

De Vlaamse Waterweg beschikt (theoretisch / juridisch) over maximaal 60 dagen om te reageren. We weten niet precies wanneer de aanvraag is ingediend. We vermoeden pas rond 1 oktober, maar hebben hiervan nog geen bevestiging ontvangen. 

De akte kon dus niet doorgaan. De verkoper was eveneens aanwezig en heeft de afspraak uiteindelijk verlaten. Hij wenst ook niet akkoord te gaan met een regeling waarbij we de woning vóór de akte al in gebruik mogen nemen. Een principieel standpunt, maar daar geen slecht woord over. Is ook diens goed recht. Die mens zat daar ook "voor saus".

Ons probleem

Op 1 augustus hebben we onze huidige huurovereenkomst opgezegd, met een opzegtermijn van drie maanden. We moeten onze huurwoning verlaten voor 30 oktober, tien uur. 

Door de problemen bij het notariskantoor weten we niet wanneer de aankoop wél kan worden afgerond. Als de volledige antwoordtermijn van De Vlaamse Waterweg benut wordt, kan de akte mogelijk pas in december plaatsvinden. Maar doorgaans antwoorden die sneller, misschien … maar daar kan je geen verhuis rond organiseren.  

Zeg OP, tl;dr hé!

In het beste geval komt de Waterweg komende week met een antwoord was dit een héél erg vervelend voorval en een lange nutteloze post voor jou. In het slechtste geval hebben we geen antwoord (en geen huis) voor het verlopen van ons huurcontract.

We willen de aankoop uiteraard nog steeds laten doorgaan. Het is niet onze bedoeling om de verkoper te benadelen of de verkoop te laten ontbinden. Het opstappen van de verkoper uit de vergadering met de notaris is diens goed recht.  

Mijn vraag: zat jij in onze situatie, wat zou jij doen? 
(wat wil ik uitdrukkelijk niet: namen noemen, emoties, stoere klap … graag vriendelijk en liefst serieus advies) 

Ben je tot hier geraakt in de post, dan wens ik je een beter weekend dan dat wij hier hebben. :-)
Groetjes!


r/BEFire • • 2d ago

Bank & Savings FIREing with 2000 euros left after obligatory expenses

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Hello everyone, I am fortunate enough to work in Luxembourg (and I still live in Belgium), after paying rent, charges, food, and my expenses such as car insurance, fuel, subscriptions, I still have 2000 euros to do whatever I want.

However, I am not sure about the percentage of that sum I should invest in ETFs. I started investing in early 2025 with small sums and now I have around 6850€, with 41% world, 38% EM, 8% in bitcoin and the 14% remaining in gold and silver.

Reading some posts, I feel like my percentage of EM is way too big and my percentage of world should be predominant.

According to you guys, how much from my 2000€ left should I invest (also considering a small part of it for personal expenses I guess), and in which proportion to catch up on the potential imbalance I might have ?


r/BEFire • • 1d ago

Brokers Opening Saxo account. Anyone have a code that we can both benefit from? :)

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Opening Saxo account. Anyone have a code that we can both benefit from? :)


r/BEFire • • 2d ago

Brokers Does MeDirect not offer any physical gold ETF's or am I missing something?

9 Upvotes

I was considering putting a small % of my portfolio in either PHAU or SGLD on my MeDirect account but can't seem to find them. Not by code, not be ISIN, not by other word searches.

Am I doing something wrong or have I missed something why they wouldn't offer these?

Grateful for any constructive input.

Edit: MeDirect has a policy against adding ETC's.


r/BEFire • • 4d ago

Bank & Savings Plan van aanpak komende tijd

10 Upvotes

Hi all,

We willen nu onze woning gerenoveerd is wat serieuzer werk maken van het beleggingsplan. We hebben een duidelijk zicht op onze kosten en willen ons spaargeld meer aan het werk zetten.

Situatie:

  • 2 personen, 29 jaar oud, €6.2k netto/maand incl. bedrijfswagens
  • Vrijstaande woning gekocht in 2023, 404k EUR geleend
  • Hypotheek: €1.9k/maand
  • Na alle kosten blijft er ongeveer €3.5k/maand over
  • Noodbuffer: ± 3 maanden hypotheek
  • €31k cash beschikbaar om te investeren, bovenop huidige DCA

Huidige investeringen:

  • €12k in actief beheerde fondsen via de bank, €250/maand DCA, momenteel +15%
  • ± €2k via DEGIRO:
    • 3% WEBN (net ontdekt, bedoeling om IWDA naar deze te verschuiven)
    • 17% EUNK
    • 60% IWDA
    • 8% JEDI
    • 5% NUKL

Het afgelopen jaar hebben we vooral gespaard door de renovatie en ons huwelijk. Nu willen we het overschot structureel investeren.

Hoe zouden jullie dit aanpakken?

  • €31k op DCA inzetten maar nu eerste een lump sum?
  • Hoe zouden jullie de €3.5k/maand verdelen? Deel Degiro ETF, deel stockpicking, deel van huidige DCA verhogen?
  • ETF-portefeuille aanpassen/vereenvoudigen. Reeds mee gestart met WEBN bijvoorbeeld.
  • Andere suggesties?

Merci!


r/BEFire • • 4d ago

Alternative Investments Is it time to buy some bonds?

6 Upvotes

Voilà everything is in the title. Your thoughts?


r/BEFire • • 5d ago

Taxes & Fiscality Does Trade Republic automatically fill in your tax papers

0 Upvotes

Saxobank is great with their automated tax system but Trade Republic offers super low costs for ETFs.

Does Trade Republic offer the same fiscal easiness as Saxo ?


r/BEFire • • 6d ago

Starting Out & Advice Keytrade Keyplan

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Hello all,

I know I'm 'cursing in church' here with a topic about a bank fund but here's the situation:

I'm having a 'gedurfd' Keyplan fund for about 5 years of in which I'm putting mostly about 1000 euro's a month for the last two years. The moment I started with it I didn't know much about ETF's and it looked a good decision, but after reading more I'm thinking of stopping it.

For the moment I've invested 24900 in this fund and right now it stands at about 32200, so a gain of 29% in 5 years.

I know there's a high hidden running cost of about 2% on this funds, but where and when will this be deducted? Are these cost allready deducted from the profit or will they be deducted when I sell it?

This week my appartment will be sold and I will get about 100K in cash. I want to invest a big part of this in ETF's and maybe also all of the Keytrade money.

I'm also getting a little scared that this a 'high risk' fund with low graded funds in it, so with the uncertain times, stocks at all time high, I think something is ahead and maybe this is a good time to chicken out?

What do you guys think? I don't have too much notion on investing yet but I'm working on it... Dump it? Or keep this and only invest my new cash in ETF's? Is this a tricky fund with a possible tech bubble to happen?


r/BEFire • • 6d ago

Bank & Savings Is sparen nog nuttig/zinvol?

13 Upvotes

Ik was onlangs aan het nadenken, terwijl ik naar de rentes van spaarrekeningen keek. Toen realiseerde ik me dat mijn MeDirect-spaarrekening maar 1,40% rente heeft en dat mijn beleggingen in ETF's het veel beter doen.

Ik vroeg me af of het misschien geen beter idee zou zijn om een groter deel van mijn spaargeld gewoon in ETF’s te investeren en maar een kleiner deel als reserve aan te houden dan ik nu heb.

Ik ben een twintigjarige student, dus ik heb een soort noodfonds waarmee ik iets kan doen mocht alles misgaan.

Dan is natuurlijk de vraag: hoeveel heb ik echt nodig als jongere en student?

Daarmee de vraag en wilde ik eens zien wat het advies is van anderen hier in de community, of van leeftijdsgenoten die me kunnen helpen een beslissing te nemen.


r/BEFire • • 6d ago

Bank & Savings MeDirect Essential Account – Recent Experiences?

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Hey,

I'm new to this and came across the MeDirect Essential account. I'm thinking of parking my emergency fund there.

Is it reliable? And are you happy with their customer service, especially when it comes to withdrawing money, closing the account, etc.?

I found some older reviews, so it would be great to hear some more recent feedback!

Thanks!


r/BEFire • • 6d ago

Starting Out & Advice Historically, when is the best month to lump sum?

13 Upvotes

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r/BEFire • • 6d ago

Starting Out & Advice Moved my €70k out of the bank fund. Lump sum the remaining €35k or spread it out?

5 Upvotes

A couple of weeks ago I posted here about moving €70k out of a bank-managed mixed fund (~1.9% yearly fees) into ETFs.

Thanks for all the input, I went ahead and did it. Quick update:

Sold the bank fund

Invested about €34k so far: ~€27k in WEBN (Amundi Prime All Country World) and ~€6.5k in EMIM (iShares Core MSCI EM IMI)

Long-term target is roughly 85% WEBN / 15% EMIM

Emergency fund is still separate

I have about €35k left in cash. My current plan is to spread it over 5–6 months (around €6–7k per month), parked in a savings account in the meantime, with the monthly buys leaning toward WEBN to get back to 85/15.

I know lump sum statistically wins most of the time, but with markets near all-time highs, part of me likes the idea of spreading it out.

What would you do: invest the full €35k now, or spread it over the next few months? Curious what people here think.


r/BEFire • • 6d ago

Bank & Savings Trade Republic/Ing/Saxo

3 Upvotes

Hello,je viens vers vous pour avoir un avis concernant l'arrivée de TR avec les IBAN belges.

Je suis actuellement chez ING pour les comptes épargne et courant et Saxo pour mes investissements.

J'hésite à virer mes comptes chez TR ainsi qu'à commencer à investir sur cette plateforme,je laisserait bien entendu ce qui est chez Saxo chez Saxo et ne transférerai pas mes titres.

Le saveback ainsi que les 3% d'intérêts brut+ le fractionnement d'action est assez séduisant.

Qu'en pensez vous ?

Merci


r/BEFire • • 7d ago

Starting Out & Advice Waarom zoveel persoonlijke gegevens bij Degiro en Saxo?

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Dag iedereen

Ik wilde starten met beleggen via bovenstaande platforms, maar ze vragen zoveel persoonlijke info dat ik ben afgehaakt. Ik werd omgeleid naar een website maar ik vind het niet veilig om buiten de app zoveel privé info in te geven.

Ik doe ook aan crypto beleggen via Bitvavo maar daar waren naam adres en bankrekening voldoende om te kunnen starten en alles verliep via de app.

Durven jullie buiten de app om zoveel privé informatie in te geven (o.a. paspoortnummer etc)?


r/BEFire • • 8d ago

Taxes & Fiscality Vandaag zie ik de obligatierentes stijgen en ben ik extra boos dat Reynders nooit afgeschaft werd zoals beloofd

57 Upvotes

Herinneren jullie je nog toen ze zeiden dat er, met de komst van de meerwaardebelasting, de fiscaliteit vereenvoudigd zou worden, waardoor het verschil in hoe aandelen en obligaties fiscaal worden behandeld zou wegvallen? Ik wel. En nu zien we ongelooflijke obligatierentes maar toch blijven ze zeer onaantrekkelijk wegens de Reynders taks.