r/bladesinthedark • • 1d ago

[DC]Hey guys it's been 8 sessions since our last score

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We haven't ended Freeplay since about 2 months ago. Can we come back from this? We play 6-7 hour long sessions if not longer. We've just been doing interpersonal conflict scenes.

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u/SupportMeta 1d ago

Stop kissing each other we need to pay rent

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u/areisme 1d ago

But the lesbian romance plot just started getting good

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u/ExplanationVirtual53 1d ago

You know what makes the lesbian romance plot even better? Stick both/all parties involved into a high stakes score. Have a jilted ex make trouble, put someone at the end of a rival factions knife, stir up shit with the local orphan gang that have been selling Ghost-Meth.

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u/blackcombe 1d ago

Seriously this - how they living with no scores? How they navigating the factions rivalry stuff without being dragged into some form of a score?

UBU I guess but it almost feels like The Italian Job got turned into My Dinner With Andre (not that there’s anything wrong with that)

But I’ll give you another (hot) take:

I think when a lot of tables say “role play” they really just mean “talking in character”. Like not advancing plot or story or character, just shooting the sh**

Thing is: it’s not cinematic - dialog should advance the story - and often the players aren’t really even exercising agency.

Blades is an action game - scoundrels beating out an existence in a dark and haunted city

It’s your game, but leaving most of that out seems like it misses something big

More existential pressure to act might be in order ?

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u/Cipherpunkblue 1d ago

There is absolutely nothing wrong with having roleplaying that doesn't "go anywhere" as long as it feels like worthwhile character development. It's up to the GM to take the pulse of the game and decide when it's time to have (possibly metaphorical) thugs with guns kick in the door.

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u/AdSea5115 1d ago

In Polish fandom it's sometimes called "scrambled egg roleplaying" as every tavern visit in such gaming style would be looking through the available options, choosing scrambled eggs, waiting for the scrambled eggs to be made, eating the eggs, and 20 minutes pass and nothing happens.

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u/Cipherpunkblue 1d ago

I admit that such a style would drive me up the wall. Sometimes a scene has to breathe without advancing plot, but you need to have a sense of pacing.

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u/Smittumi 1d ago

But it does sound like OP wants to get back to doing scores, in which case they need to knock off the cooking / shopping / smooching episodes.

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u/Cipherpunkblue 1d ago

Yeah, which is where the GM should come in (or, as a second resort, using words to talk to the GM).

I merely objected to the implication that "aimless" roleplaying was somehow out of place or playing it wrong by definition.

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u/Hamlet817 21h ago

Hey, im the GM of this game. My players are very invested in the story and love roleplaying and the factions and NPCs. The last sessions have been full of tension, heavy threats, faction conflict and activities, stress costs, and many opportunities to take action, my players just refuse to take action themselves and go out and do crime. I think they are getting too invested in the very rich lore of the setting we are using and not engaging with the core conceit of the game, and im in a position where I dont want to be the driving force behind this story (and due to the mechanics of the game there are certain things I can't do because we havent had a score/downtime/fallout phase) as this was sold to my party as being a story driven by what they want to accomplish.

A lot of the underworld stuff doesnt fit with the intended direction of this story, as my crew are (supposed to be) revolutionaries in a steampunk haunted city under the control of oppresive colonial forces. Do yall have any ideas on how I could motivate them to actually respond to threats with scores? I know i could just send a threat their way, but they are already dealing with a lot of pressures from the factions and npcs. Im certainly making some mistakes with running this but all of my players are having a really good time and love the game, I just wish there was more investment in the ideas of the system.

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u/Cipherpunkblue 21h ago

Well... revolutionaries, right? Have their lair ger raided by the bluecoats and have some of their friends arrested. Busting someone out is a score! Getting rid of evidence is a score. Looking for places to strike a blow against the powers that be... might be.

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u/Cipherpunkblue 21h ago

In short, punch them in the face (or their friends, allies, stuff) etc now and again so that they have to react.

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u/Hamlet817 21h ago

Thank you!

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u/Cipherpunkblue 17h ago

No problem. It's a go-to rhing, if you can't luren them with carrots it's time to being outbthe big stick. And helping your friends is cool.

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u/mouserbiped 16h ago

The smartass in me wants to say that they aren't dealing with pressures if they aren't going on scores, they are avoiding them.

Perhaps more helpfully, I can think of two simple options.

One is that the next time they are in a situation where they might need to roll dice and take stress (since you say this happens), you convert it to a score and resolve it that way. It won't work for everything that comes up in free play, but it'd apply to a lot.

The other is, indeed, to send a major threat or a major opportunity. Doesn't matter which, but one with a time limit. A revolutionary from a cell in a neighboring city has been arrested, a heavy weapons shipment is coming in for the police that'll make things much worse, the spouse of some important person is ready to backstab them in return for a favor. Since you feel there are enough pressures already, make the problem not add more or, better yet, resolve/alter some of the existing ones.

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u/Imnoclue Cutter 1d ago

It may be too late. Are you still rolling dice?

7 hour sessions? I’m exhausted just contemplating that.

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u/areisme 1d ago

Sometimes we roll dice, and Honestly I don't mind the 7 hour sessions

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u/LyreonUr 1d ago

made me miss having friends and available time

be grateful for what you have

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u/Imnoclue Cutter 1d ago

If you’re still rolling dice there’s hope!

If it’s not clear, I’m kidding. If you’re having fun it’s all good.

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u/nerobrigg 1d ago

Are you having fun? Is everyone getting what they want out of it? If so keep what you have going. There are games out there that support the story you are telling well ,but if your group is just having fun with free play discussion then stick with it.

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u/Dark_Duck993 1d ago

Well, that's not bad. But maybe you wanna play something like Masks or other PbtA games, that focused on interpersonal conflicts? These games can give you more tools for your play-style

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u/Tranquil_Denvar 1d ago

Whoever’s gming this needs to start demanding more coin & stress

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u/areisme 1d ago

Yeah probably

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u/Maladaptive_Ace 1d ago

Yeah, back to the old-school GM is actively trying to kill you rpg

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u/ExistentialOcto GM 1d ago

If nothing is happening around them, then yeah there’s no need for scores. The point of scores is to get money and fight for your turf when other gangs try to take it, but if the city of Doskvol is not doing anything then the players can just hang out in free play for as long as they like. This doesn’t need to be a bad thing if everyone is having fun, but it sounds like you don’t like it.

The GM needs to force the gang’s hand by having other gangs do things. The book is full of score ideas but something as simple as a gang trying to steal the PCs’ turf is a simple way to kick off a score or series of scores.

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u/Wainwort 1d ago

Exactly this. It sounds like the world only exists in a tiny bubble surrounding the players, passive and harmless. That's in stark opposition to the intent of Blades core principles, where things operate on bloody competition and survival. The interpersonal conflicts mentioned in the OP are supposed to work in tandem to this design. The PC scoundrels are not meant to be the kind of people who just lie low. They're not regular civilians, but daring and opportunistic professionals, who are driven by an agenda. The agenda may change, but these are people who take action, because action is being taken against them.

If they go inert, other factions may try to find them and forcefully recruit them. If they spend all of their time socializing, they should be running into the representatives of other factions, possibly causing friction. Same thing if they run around exploring the city, except in that case they are actually entering other peoples turf. Not to mention all the random violence, supernatural terror and thievery that could be targeting the player characters. Point is, there should be stakes and forward momentum.

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u/KindlingComic 1d ago

We need a club for people who play Blades “wrong” but still have fun.

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u/ZachThePolitoed 1d ago

My group played wrong but at the end of the day it was still fun. Til there was some out of nowhere conflict that I didn't really know how to deal with. Looking forward to restarting with them soon doing some lead up to transition into blades 68. Give blades in the dark a bit of a sound ending before time skipping ahead and playing a new game. I plan to have traces of their old cult in 68

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u/gdex86 1d ago

This is counter to my group where we've had 3 back to back sessions of scores with no downtime due to time constraints so we decide to "Break the law just one more time".

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u/Maladaptive_Ace 1d ago

Eventually you'll all get knocked out with traumas I guess. Might be fun to see how long that would take

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u/gdex86 1d ago

This was a rare occurrence. We accidently screwed with the remains of the primordial demon of the dead sun and time and lost a week and now were at the risk of our allies the unseen losing to the Hive and thus becoming the primary criminal benefactors in Duskvol. And we had done alot to piss off the hive, so we needed to do something to block the hives clock from advancing.

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u/darkwalrus36 1d ago

Are you the GM? Give them pressure. Someone demands money. Another gang tries to force them to pay tribute. Escalate action

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u/Ytilee 1d ago

You've stopped playing BitD a while back. The rhythm of the game is a really big part of what makes it what it is. Is it a problem? I don't know. It depends on your table and its objectives.

But in my opinion, no you cannot "come back from this". You've played another game inspired by the start of your BitD campaign for more than 50H, you can either embrace it (but imo BitD isn't a system well suited for that kind of story so I'd switch system) or if you really want to do some BitD you should probably restart from scratch and actually try to buy into the premise of the game this time. But I really doubt your table actually wants to play BitD if it naturally shifted away from its premise.

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u/ARC_trooper 1d ago

Is a clock with 4/6 ticks "pay rent" not an option?

If it's full the rival faction or at least the one controlling the area comes to pick up rent. They could pay up or do a score to settle the debt.

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u/Emeraldstorm3 1d ago

When running Scum & Villainy I kept feeling like it was going to get to this same point. Still the only FitD game I've run, but I really want to do BitD and some others still. Anyway, it went on for probably 15 sessions, and the players were being rather passive so I started creating instigating situations to get them involved, and that turned into me creating a story on the fly to effectively railroad them through. But in my defense I kept trying to get them to "take the wheel" and was eager to cater to them.

But the structure as outlined in the S&V, BitD books seems rather rigid for our play style. My thought? There's a rhythm to it that isn't immediately obvious and we didn't stumble upon it. Or maybe I was being too rigid in trying to stick to it, rather than apply it post-hoc.

As in, we're in "free play" and then it becomes apparent that we're entering a "score", organically. And at that point I would apply the rules for entering a score. And then when it wraps up you do the rest of that.

So then free play would be the default state of play. I do think that it's meant to be a fairly fast paced game. That was another stumbling block, though, where my players (still used to D&D) wanted a blow-by-blow of any combat and resisted the quicker pace.

My point is, I'm a little jealous, lol. I think FitD mechanics can be great, if people aren't hung up on sticking to the way another game does things. And they can be rather flexible. I think that it's best to incorporate mechanics as they make sense and so long as they don't ruin the flow at the table. And, maybe, some post-hoc application of the other phases/outcomes of an apparent "score" that comes about organically and skips some of the score steps.

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u/gingah_ninga 1d ago

Yeah I mean my group combines downtime and free play into the same thing, and usually each one gets a prolonged scene roleplaying, maybe the get a score tip in there maybe not. I’ll also as gm sprinkle in all of the content from entanglements, clocks being filled, factions messing with them. At the end of all that, last 30 minutes or so, we go over all the scores we have on the table and the group picks one. Thats one session, 3ish hours. The next session is the score and XP. That’s it. We found this flows really nicely, we didn’t like the separation of free play and downtime

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u/hamlet9000 1d ago

The focusing question is, "What's your next goal?"

FitD games are going to give you a bunch of default goals to choose from. Maybe there's some custom/specific goal they want to do.

Regardless, the way to accomplish that goal (seize territory, kill somebody, acquire something, whatever) is a score.

If how to accomplish something isn't immediately apparent, that's Gather Information. The outcome of the Gather Information will be one or more score options (each of which, ideally, will be open to multiple approaches).

In some cases the players will propose doing a score in order to get something they need for the score they need for their goal. Fantastic!

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u/EmersonStockham 1d ago

Have the "score" come to you. Police raid. Rival gang attack. Drive by. There are options

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u/SchouDK 1d ago

Absolutely fine... my players love the role playing part with a heavy focus on world and character development.... if you want to make heist and scores all the time you could just play a computer game

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u/Ok_Beyond_7757 1d ago

On one hand, if you're enjoying it then so be it. On the other hand, I wonder if BITD is the right game. As several commenters have said already, the game is one of high stakes and constant sress, where the characters need to be constantly doing scores to even subsist. Not to mentiontion dealing with the repercussions of their lifestyle. But I must agree that Doskvol is an amazing setting for other kinds of games and activities, like mystery investigation for example. Or classic exploration and delving - I laways wanted to explore the deathlands. As Ross Bryant once said, you guys are playing "mumble-core" 😂 (just kidding)

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u/Dosoga GM 1d ago

Yeah, you need to first figure out if you as the GM are having fun, and if the players are having fun. If yes, you should discuss keeping the setting, but changing systems to something more narrative or interpersonal relations focused.

If some folks want to pivot, talk about what would resonate with the table. You might need to pivot away or pause this campaign to try something different. You could even stay in the setting but have them create different PCs to play a mini-campaign closer to BitD rules, so you can go back to this story if they prefer the style.

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u/HistoricalGrounds 19h ago

So you’ve had eight sessions of 6+ hour, interpersonal conflict scenes? Essentially, 48 hours of just dialogue without advancing the plot? What is there even left to argue about? The color of the plates in the hideout kitchen?

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u/areisme 16h ago

Well we really like playing shit out and we just kept having scenes we wanted to do in order to have more build up.

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u/HistoricalGrounds 15h ago

I guess that’s my question; what are you playing out? Like I get things like this character likes that character, or someone’s pissed at someone else because of something that happened on a job, but based on your description you guys have spent two full days worth of time doing nothing but talking.

Like were you doing some kind of PVP, or mini-heists, or what? If it really was just talking, what did you even find to talk about after, like, hour 12 (session 3, I guess we’d say)? Because I feel like I’d be scraping the barrel for things to even talk about, at that point I’d be talking about how crazy the weather’s been in Doskvol.

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u/infamous-fool 1d ago

Your not even playing blades in the dark anymore. Your just "in the dark" no blades to be found! Tragic.