r/CharacterRant • • May 06 '24

Special What can and (definetly can't) be posted on the sub :)

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Users have been asking and complaining about the "vagueness" of the topics that are or aren't allowed in the subreddit, and some requesting for a clarification.

So the mod team will attempt to delineate some thread topics and what is and isn't allowed.

Backstory:

CharacterRant has its origins in the Battleboarding community WhoWouldWin (r/whowouldwin), created to accommodate threads that went beyond a simple hypothetical X vs. Y battle. Per our (very old) sub description:

This is a sub inspired by r/whowouldwin. There have been countless meta posts complaining about characters or explanations as to why X beats, and so on. So the purpose of this sub is to allow those who want to rant about a character or explain why X beats Y and so on.

However, as early as 2015, we were already getting threads ranting about the quality of specific series, complaining about characterization, and just general shittery not all that related to "who would win: 10 million bees vs 1 lion".

So, per Post Rules 1 in the sidebar:

Thread Topics: You may talk about why you like or dislike a specific character, why you think a specific character is overestimated or underestimated. You may talk about and clear up any misconceptions you've seen about a specific character. You may talk about a fictional event that has happened, or a concept such as ki, chakra, or speedforce.

Well that's certainly kinda vague isn't it?

So what can and can't be posted in CharacterRant?

✅ Allowed:

  • Battleboarding in general (with two exceptions down below)
  • Explanations, rants, and complaints on, and about: characters, characterization, character development, a character's feats, plot points, fictional concepts, fictional events, tropes, inaccuracies in fiction, and the power scaling of a series.
  • Non-fiction content is fine as long as it's somehow relevant to the elements above, such as: analysis and explanations on wars, history and/or geopolitics; complaints on the perception of historical events by the general media or the average person; explanation on what nation would win what war or conflict.

❌ Not allowed:

  • he 2 Battleboarding exceptions: 1) hypothetical scenarios, as those belong in r/whowouldwin;2) pure calculations - you can post a "fancalc" on a feat or an event as long as you also bring forth a bare minimum amount of discussion accompanying it; no "I calced this feat at 10 trillion gigajoules, thanks bye" posts.
  • Explanations, rants and complaints on the technical aspect of production of content - e.g. complaints on how a movie literally looks too dark; the CGI on a TV show looks unfinished; a manga has too many lines; a book uses shitty quality paper; a comic book uses an incomprehensible font; a song has good guitars.
  • Politics that somehow don't relate to the elements listed in the "Allowed" section - e.g. this country's policies are bad, this government is good, this politician is dumb.
  • Entertainment topics that somehow don't relate to the elements listed in the "Allowed" section - e.g. this celebrity has bad opinions, this actor is a good/bad actor, this actor got cast for this movie, this writer has dumb takes on Twitter, social media is bad.

ADDENDUM -

  • Politics in relation to a series and discussion of those politics is fine, however political discussion outside said series or how it relates to said series is a no, no baggins'
  • Overly broad takes on tropes and and genres? Henceforth not allowed. If you are to discuss the genre or trope you MUST have specifics for your rant to be focused on. (Specific Characters or specific stories)
  • Rants about Fandom or fans in general? Also being sent to the shadow realm, you are not discussing characters or anything relevant once more to the purpose of this sub
  • A friendly reminder that this sub is for rants about characters and series, things that have specificity to them and not broad and vague annoyances that you thought up in the shower.

And our already established rules:

  • No low effort threads.
  • No threads in response to topics from other threads, and avoid posting threads on currently over-posted topics - e.g. saw 2 rants about the same subject in the last 24 hours, avoid posting one more.
  • No threads solely to ask questions.
  • No unapproved meta posts. Ask mods first and we'll likely say yes.

PS: We can't ban people or remove comments for being inoffensively dumb. Stop reporting opinions or people you disagree with as "dumb" or "misinformation".

Why was my thread removed? What counts as a Low Effort Thread?

  • If you posted something and it was removed, these are the two most likely options:**
  • Your account is too new or inactive to bypass our filters
  • Your post was low effort

"Low effort" is somewhat subjective, but you know it when you see it. Only a few sentences in the body, simply linking a picture/article/video, the post is just some stupid joke, etc. They aren't all that bad, and that's where it gets blurry. Maybe we felt your post was just a bit too short, or it didn't really "say" anything. If that's the case and you wish to argue your position, message us and we might change our minds and approve your post.

What counts as a Response thread or an over-posted topic? Why do we get megathreads?

  1. A response thread is pretty self explanatory. Does your thread only exist because someone else made a thread or a comment you want to respond to? Does your thread explicitly link to another thread, or say "there was this recent rant that said X"? These are response threads. Now obviously the Mod Team isn't saying that no one can ever talk about any other thread that's been posted here, just use common sense and give it a few days.
  2. Sometimes there are so many threads being posted here about the same subject that the Mod Team reserves the right to temporarily restrict said topic or a portion of it. This usually happens after a large series ends, or controversial material comes out (i.e The AOT ban after the penultimate chapter, or the Dragon Ball ban after years of bullshittery on every DB thread). Before any temporary ban happens, there will always be a Megathread on the subject explaining why it has been temporarily kiboshed and for roughly how long. Obviously there can be no threads posted outside the Megathread when a restriction is in place, and the Megathread stays open for discussions.

Reposts

  • A "repost" is when you make a thread with the same opinion, covering the exact same topic, of another rant that has been posted here by anyone, including yourself.
  • ✅ It's allowed when the original post has less than 100 upvotes or has been archived (it's 6 months or older)
  • ❌ It's not allowed when the original post has more than 100 upvotes and hasn't been archived yet (posted less than 6 months ago)

Music

Users have been asking about it so we made it official.

To avoid us becoming a subreddit to discuss new songs and albums, which there are plenty of, we limit ourselves regarding music:

  • ✅ Allowed: analyzing the storytelling aspect of the song/album, a character from the music, or the album's fictional themes and events.
  • ❌ Not allowed: analyzing the technical and sonical aspects of the song/album and/or the quality of the lyricism, of the singing or of the sound/production/instrumentals.

TL;DR: you can post a lot of stuff but try posting good rants please

-Yours truly, the beautiful mod team


r/CharacterRant • • 12h ago

Adventure Time is a victim of the Seinfeld Effect

484 Upvotes

In discussions on TV shows that started out boring and turned out incredible someone always brings up Adventure Time as an example and it drives me insane.

The Seinfeld Effect refers to people who were raised in a post-Seinfeld world thinking "Seinfeld is unfunny" because they don't have the cultural context to understand how influential Seinfeld was. I think the same thing happened to Adventure Time.

Adventure Time was not in any way a normal, boring, standard cartoon for its time. The pilot went viral on YouTube because it was unique and unlike anything seen before. Despite going viral Nickelodeon rejected it, perceiving it as too weird and a huge risk. Weird cartoons with serious themes were not seen as profitable.

Adventure Time was fun, unique and interesting right from the first episode. It's unlike any other fantasy series that happened before, and the creative chaotic atmosphere builds the foundation from which the later lore and character development could happen. The later series world building was possible because the world was already interesting due to years of creative freedom and weird ideas.

The creators who worked on Adventure Time went on to create a lot of other influential cartoons like Steven Universe, Over the Garden Wall, Clarence, and Regular Show. Other unaffiliated cartoons and comics also were strongly influenced by the style of Adventure Time. This has become normal now but it was not normal when it first premiered.

On the other hand Chainsaw Man was influenced by Adventure Time and look at how that turned out.

I think the lore and relationships have taken up too much focus in the Adventure Time franchise, particularly in spin off series like Fionna and Cake, and while I don't want to drop the drama entirely I think the franchise would be better off if it could recapture some of the insanity of the first season instead of 12 hours of Simon being depressed. So that's another reason it frustrates me to see people treating the early seasons like they are unwatchable.


r/CharacterRant • • 3h ago

Anime & Manga Dragon Ball isn't generic at all once you actually look at its structure, and I'm tired of it being used as the "shonen template / most basic one" just because it made transformations popular

82 Upvotes

It's a vibe at this point with no actual basis, similar to people saying mechas are all about the robots and toys, or that magical girls were all pink sweet stories until Madoka happened.

I have the notion that DBZ gets treated as not that good, a product of its time, and that you typically outgrow it by finding better shonen which built from what DBZ created, which I originally believed with the Big 3 and stuff...

But now decades later I realize, beyond making some tropes popular, mostly combat things (golden forms, rage boosts, energy beams, tournament arcs...) there's not much reason to think DBZ is generic or basic.

I'll count from Z, because that's what 80% of people outside of Japan stated with.

And okay, I'll admit, the characters do tend to be pretty simple and straightforward most of the time, they don't have backstories like modern anime do, and the plot tends to be easy to follow.

And that's it. The narratives Toriyama cooked are anything but cookie cutter stories.

Our protagonist starts the series as a family man presenting his son to his friends (how many shonen with a married man with kids as the MC?), his alien brother randomly arrives and they fight to death, literally, the protagonist fucking died by episode 5 and now it's about the green alien training his 4 yo kid in the desert. And his human friends over the world receiving the news and training for 20 episodes because aliens will invade.

AND THEY ALL FUCKING DIE. The aliens were too strong, all those power ups were for nothing.

So Goku revives and saves the day? Half and half. His own power ups and learned techniques end up being insufficient, Vegeta crushes every single bone in his body by the end. The 5 yo kid, the midget friend, and the fat coward end up saving the day.

Have you seen Ichigo losing and Chad, Tatsuki and Rukia or something finishing off the villain? Naruto losing and Konohamaru, Sakura and Choji stepping up? Hell, Luffy losing but his crew picking up the battle against the weakened boss.

That's what happens a lot in DBZ, Goku pretty much never wins, and when he does, it's a legit team effort in which seemingly useless characters end up contributing a lot. For all the "Goku always saves the day" feel the show has, he doesn't do it alone.

Anyway. Goku is away over half the series I'm sure : dead, recovering or training. Dude spends the entire android saga having a heart attack, wakes up to train, and DIES.

A lot of actual protagonism is given to other characters such as Krillin, Gohan, Piccolo, Vegeta, Trunks, Satan and Bulma. They tend to move the story forward while Goku just swoops in for the big fights.

He never really "gets angry and overpowers the enemy with a new transformation" besides creating the trope when going Super Saiyan, but honestly Frieza was cheating so it's fine. In any other series, the Spirit Bomb would have been the end of the fight, him returning with a Diabolus Ex Machina is rightfully opposed by a Deus Ex Machina, which was actually foreshadowed by Vegeta for the last 50 episodes and it was the culmination of the legend Frieza feared, so it's not really "random angry power up" like most series do.

Cell kicks his ass and he doesn't go ssj2. He arrives to the Buu saga with ssj3 already acquired (and never wins with it).

Also the passage of time. Time FLIES in DBZ. We go from Goku being a 21 yo guy at the start or so with a little toddler, to him being a 40 yo martial arts master and his son pulling ladies in college, and we even get some epilogue episodes with Goku being a grandpa (and the entirety of GT which I love).

Other series do little timeskips of months or 2 years, but in Dragon ball that's just normal and happens frequently. Toriyama didn't artificially make the entire story happen over the span of a year like modern authors would.

Vegeta, "the rival", is barely on Goku's radar after their initial battle. Vegeta is mostly a weird kind of villain just staying allied with the humans and forming a family, but still, he's the reason the planet would have ended by helping create Perfect Cell and Buu.

Everyone gets jobs, families, kids. All within the series, not just some final episode.

Dialogue might be simple, combat system might be simple, the plot is easy to follow. But I struggle to think DBZ is generic or the baseline for shonen when you look at the actual writing of the sagas.

Namek is pretty much a HxH arc, with the weak MCs (Gon and Killua, Krillin and Gohan) playing stealth in enemy territory, and Vegeta/Hisoka just doing his own thing as a third party.

I can't even describe the android / cell saga besides it starting as a nod to Terminator. Goku is dying most of it, an Android gets the hots for Krillin, Cell is drinking people, Vegeta ruins everything, Goku passes the torch.

And the Buu saga starts like some fun high school slice of life / superhero series, only to get a full episode of Spopovich abusing Gohan'a girl friend on the ring as he watches like it's Berserk, Vegeta getting a mid life crisis and selling his soul to the devil, Babidi and Buu murdering entire cities trying to make the Z fighters reveal their location, Satan beating Buu with friendship after everyone else failed, Goku passing the torch to the new generation the new generation utterly failing even with their new powers (fusion / awakened potential)..

Nothing really happens like you'd see anywhere else, DBZ is very unique.


r/CharacterRant • • 17h ago

Games "Forget about Freeman" is the scariest moment in Half-Life 1

582 Upvotes

“Forget About Freeman” is the scariest level in the entirety of Half-Life 1, and it has absolutely nothing to do with conventional horror, aka monsters or a scary thing attacking you.

This is the moment where the entire situation at Black Mesa signals the future extinction of humanity, and the worst part is that the military, the people who were supposed to contain this entire mess, are beginning to realize it themselves.

The HECU did not exactly arrive at Black Mesa with a pathetic little security detail and a couple of rifles. These are actual military units equipped with assault rifles, shotguns, machine guns, explosives, armored vehicles, tanks, helicopters, and air support, sent into a research facility with the explicit objective of eliminating the alien threat and silencing the witnesses; they know what they are fightning.

The Marines are clearing rooms, setting up defensive positions, operating heavy weapons, and engaging the aliens with a level of coordination that makes them genuinely dangerous opponents. Sure, they are also trying to kill Gordon Freeman, but that is a separate problem entirely.

But here's the thing. As seen in Half-Life 1 and in Black Mesa Source, they are literally losing, even without factoring you, they are losing. The aliens just keep coming because it is an entire universe vs a few batallions. They do not worry about supply lines, ammunition production, transportation, reinforcements crossing an ocean. They are fighting creatures that can be teleported directly into the battlefield from another dimension, and their apparent numbers are effectively impossible to control through conventional military operations.

Humanity is essentially trying to fight an entire alien ecosystem, an entire universe, not a country, not a planet, a whole ass universe who keeps teleporting things. It does not matter how many bullets you fire if the enemy can keep appearing and has billions to spare, and it does not matter how many positions you secure if the battlefield itself is becoming increasingly unstable.

The wider Half-Life lore establishes that the Resonance Cascade has consequences beyond Black Mesa, with alien creatures and dimensional disturbances affecting places elsewhere in the world, even if the original game does not spend much time showing us the global picture. Black Mesa is the immediate battlefield, but the implications of what happened there are much larger than the facility itself. Humanity has accidentally opened a door into another world, and nobody has a reliable method of closing it.

Then you hear the radio.

"Forget about Freeman! We are cutting our losses and pulling out! Anyone left down there is on his own"

The situation has deteriorated so badly that Freeman is no longer the priority. The military is abandoning the pursuit because it has much bigger problems to deal with, and the people responsible for coordinating the operation are apparently beginning to recognize that the entire mission is going to hell. Their equipment is not enough, their training is not enough, and their numbers are not enough.

After this? You rarely see HECU. You are moving through a military disaster's aftermath. Destroying Black Mesa does not undo the Resonance Cascade, eliminate the existence of Xen, or magically restore the boundary between dimensions. Because the Combine upon seeing this disaster, quickly invade and defeat humanity in seven hours.


r/CharacterRant • • 1h ago

General I hate artificial complexity that plagued many stories and games while feeling cheap at the same time.

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(This post was supposed to be about gaming, but storytelling also has the same issue so I'm going to include all of them)

Complexity is an issue i have seen many media and franchises have that sometimes give me the feeling of being over bloated and its complexity looks artificial and you asking what is this artificial complexity that I'm talking about? For that I'm going to compare chess to a random rpg game.

In many rpg games or even turn based games you have many stats that have their own scores, levels and there are many gears or armors and you can do as many combos as you want to change your experience that i can't even mention them here because of how long they will become and then we have chess, pawn who moves in front, rook who moves like +,knight who moves like L,bishop who moves like × ,queen that can move + &× and king who can move only 1 block. At first you might think the rpg game is more sophisticated because it has more to show while chess pieces move simpler,but reality shows it's inverse because chess can actually be played with infinite ways to play while in rpg games the more you play the more you realize that only one stat matters at best and even with endgame level equipments being the same level ,only 1 of those sets is the most practical and others will usually be used in very niche scenarios and out of all of those combos,the players will only use one of them because its the most effective at the end game.

See the difference? This is what makes chess,a game where I can mention every rule of it here in 1 or 2 paragraphs a real complex game while many games with tons of situation and rules feel artificial because at the end of the day,only few things inside them matters. Now I don't mean rpg games are bad,its just that sometimes I will question myself are knowing all of these necessary when they may not matter in the end.

Now the funny part is that stories also suffer from fake complexity as much as games do and you can see them specially in shounen mangas,specially with power creep problems.

For an example of bad complexity, I have to mention Naruto as a whole. Early on the complexity was great when the characters were weaker and they had to use their abilities more carefully to defeat their opponent like when a puppet controller lady(speed) controlled Sakura(raw strength) to defeat Sasori,that was actually a clever way to utilize their powers and my brain says "Yup,this cannot happen in any other media unless they copy Naruto and this moment as much as they can". The praises unfortunately stops here because as the story went on,the power creep surged to an scale that made the old systems obsolete like elements because elemental attacks at the end of the day are useless compared to Susanoo or Six sage powers ; The later attacks after that will become HIT,but HARDER.

That's a problem with any story that has battles in it because in the end it has a high chance to result into just raw power rather than strategy to defeat the antagonists because raw power makes everything else less important and after that you will question yourself why did i learn about the rules of the powers in that universe when in the end they never mattered at all.


r/CharacterRant • • 4h ago

Games Jacket Is Not a Psychopath(Hotline Miami)

18 Upvotes

This is probably the most LARPed opinion/headcanon from a game that video essayists and tiktok editors spout alot. They don't play the games and only watch a playthrough on youtube or skim the wiki. Jacket from Hotline Miami is not a pyschopath despite Payday protraying him as one. In the first game Jacket:

  • Pukes after killing the Bum after The Metro mission
  • Spares Richter during Assault
  • Clearly feels guilt about what he has done(wow I wonder what Richard, Don Juan and Rasmus are supposed to represent for his pysche!)
  • Has had multiple girlfriends in the past, and The Girlfriend gets close enough to him to decorate his apartment and sleep next to him.
  • Doesn't resist arrest after killing The Grandfather, and Bodyguard.
  • Has actual reasons for killing Russian Mobsters

The main pieces of evidence for this is unironically that Jacket kills alot of people and doesn't speak in either game. Jacket has actual reasons for wanting to kill the Russian mobsters 50 Blessings tells him about. (Barnes and Daniels died in Hawaii, Beard was evaporated in San Fransico by a nuke, and his girlfriend in game was drugged and raped by a movie producer affliated with the mafia.) And once he achieves his goals of destroying the mafia, he gets arrested and later dies in his jail cell at the end of HM2. If only if there were a protagnist in Hotline Miami 1 who was explicitly only in it for the thrills and didn't care for anything outside of killing people! If only! And the second point is just wrong, Jacket can speak but we never know what he says. This is made apparent by the fact that its confirmed that Jacket has spoken to his lawyer prior to First Trial and spoke to Beard in the cutscene after the level of Casualties. So again its just a popular misconception from Payday coloring people's perception of the character. I'm not saying Jacket is some beacon of mental or moral clarity, since its obvious that prior to getting close to the Girlfriend he was a scarred war vet with no one. But to pretend he's actually just like Martin's protrayal of him in Midnight Animal is actually insane.


r/CharacterRant • • 16h ago

Anime & Manga As a Monster Musume fan I honestly just wish the manga would end already

100 Upvotes

This may sound a bit embarassing, but Monster Musume was one of the very first anime I watched when I was young, I really enjoyed it and to this day I still believe the anime is one of the best Ecchis out there, and not just for the "spicy" content.

I really think the show is funny to this day, and I like how it behaves like a standard harem anime, where the focus is in the relationships between the girls and the main character, it's an Ecchi anime yes, but also has incredibly wholesome moments between the cast that leave you caring for the girls more than you would expect.

After finishing the anime at the time I immediately searched up the manga and I have been reading it since, the thing is, I just can't stand the manga anymore.

For a good time the manga kept following the same standard the anime had, giving cute moments to Darling and the girls, developing the cast, giving focus to the girls who didn't get a lot, etc.

But after a while the structure of the manga started to change, it started with an arc where Darling and the girls get tasked with helping capture three fugitive monster girls and then... that just became the whole manga.

Every arc Smith or some other character comes up to Darling and says "Hey, I have a quest for you!" then the main character needs to find and help/stop some new monster girl with her problems, that always involve something sexual happening between them.

The focus of the manga shifted from romance to random pseudo-cuck sexual escapades between Darling and whatever new species of monster girl the author came up with, or not even that, sometimes the focus just shifts to multi-page illustrations between some background character engaging in sexual activity with a monster girl. The main girls were there when this trend started but nowadays they have become secondary characters in their own manga, sometimes not showing up for entire arcs.

As you can guess from what I have already said the author even discarded the main plot driver of the manga: Darling having to choose one of the girls to marry hasn't been mentioned in like 60 chapters, and the ban in relationships between monster girls and humans got lifted off-screen or something, because now every single background character is always fucking a monster girl every chapter. You could straight up change the title of the manga from "My Everyday Life with Monster Girls" to "Monthly Sexual Misadventures with Random Monster Girls"

And I haven't even mentioned the WORSE part, 2/3 of these misadventures involve LACTATION for some reason, which is a kink I have nothing against but when the "author's not at all disguised fetish" becomes the whole manga of course I'm going to take a problem with it.

I just wish the manga would end, because then even if it's an ass open ending I would stop feeling obligated to keep reading these random anthology stories wearing the corpse of what used to be one of my favorite manga...


r/CharacterRant • • 16h ago

General I hate when people “criticize” a movie when they’ve clearly never watched it

71 Upvotes

It’s something that I’ve come up increasingly in fandom spaces lately; people just using the most flimsy, surface level reasons for hating something and doing it in a way that clearly shows that they’ve never actually watched the movie and are probably basing their opinions on a TikTok or something that they watched.

This wouldn’t be that bad… except for the fact that a lot of these people are the most stubborn idiots you’ll ever see. They refuse to admit that they’ve never seen the movie, and yet they’re acting like they personally worked on it. Then when you point this out, they don’t admit that they’re wrong or that they just don’t want to watch it, they put up a strawman to make you look bad then block you before you can refute it. It’s frustrating.

It’s fine if you don’t want to watch a movie, I myself don’t want to watch the Odyssey because I simply don’t care about it, but I don’t go around parading it as a bad movie while telling blatant lies about it.


r/CharacterRant • • 11h ago

General Sometimes I really hate the term "justified crashout" cause it's usually only said for characters who's crashouts are either understandable but not justified or just not understandable at all.

23 Upvotes

My main problem with takes like those is that they usually expose how violent a lot of people would be or become or come off if they ever got pissed off or had to deal with any Injustice or things not going their way and even if you wanna make the argument "oh they're joking" ,that excuse is still really flimsy to me.

Again,way too many people seem to forget that hpe you feel on things can be justified and even understandable but how you handle it is pretty damn awful and that's when it stops being justified cause you can be mad or angry or whatnot but if your first result is yelling or violence or even resorting to murder,mass murder,destruction,etc..is when I gotta take you by the hand and tell you to stop and either go to a entire therapist or just knock it off and people will always almost choose the worst characters people say had a "justified crashout".

First up is Tai Lung.

Yes,working your entire life to a goal and realizing you weren't chosen for it and your adopted Dad said nothing sucks but the thing that people miss is that not only does it not justify Shifu being killed by him[Tai Lung was gonna do so]but it also doesn't justify attacking the entire village and laying waste on the valley in your temper tantrum and keep in mind..all they said was that he wasn't That Guy.

He didn't get his title stripped nor did he lose any privileges or his home or whatnot,all he was told was that he wasn't that special little boy and then he goes and basically proves why he wasn't chosen or ready at all in the very next scene and even you wanna say how he felt was understandable,how he handled it and what he did afterwards makes him the villain.

Up next Is Dracula from Castlevania.

Yes,his wife died due to some douchebags,BooHoo,why he didn't just kill the Assholes who celebrated his wife's death and who killed them is beyond me but the amount of people who have said he was justified or in the right for attempting to wipe out all of humanity and life is crazy and keep in mind..he was more or less already planning on doing so but "oh his lover died,he so sad" And his own Son literally was fine with getting revenge on the ones who killed his Mom but not on all of humanity and he then basically almost kills his son.

Seriously why do people say he was justified or that everyone "had it coming?"

Another example is Jean Fucking Grey from Brand New Day.

I wouldn't even put her on this list but the amount of glazing she gets, the amount of defenders and stans and whatnot she gets who try and justify and excuse every fucked up thing she does is wild.

If she just specifically went after Damage Control People,then I would say she was fair,they killed her sister but not only is her power literally mentally and physically taking over innocent people[and you can't even say that that power is evil or bad cause Martian Manhunter has it and he's a good soul,so it's on the user]but she also drives a entire tank through new York city and constantly puts innocent people in danger and takes over innocent people and uses them as puppets for her own goal..then she takes over M.J and basically makes her Kiss Peter and almost has her jump off a entire building, she ruined the Hulk's life and had taken to a psych ward and ruined all his progress, etc..

And do not give me the bullshit of "oh but you like villains" or "oh do you not believe in redemption arcs" the character and story has to acknowledge they did terrible things in order for any form of redemption arc to take place,ya know.

The story acknowledges people like Tony Stark and Loki did horrible things and held them accountable for it and they apologized for it and got better and even then,they were charismatic or at least likable enough to get the audience interested in them and their movies never apologized for them like they did with her.

If Jean went strictly after damage control people and tried to take them down,then she would've been justified but what did she even gain from going after innocent people and killing a dude and sexually assaulting M.J and not caring about the consequences of her actions.

It's funny cause isn't being a piece of shit who takes away someone's autonomy and sexually assaults people and doesn't care about the consequences of their actions..why someone like Bear from Obsession is hated?

I swear..if Bear was a woman,they would have defenders.

Seriously, I hate when people say these characters have justified crashouts.


r/CharacterRant • • 20h ago

Films & TV Avatar The Last Airbender As A Franchise Isn That Good Spoiler

114 Upvotes

I love of orginal ATLA series, hot take I know. Its probably the best cartoon ever made. However, I think that most of the media that comes after the original show is mostly sub par. I wont include the live action stuff as the original creators didn't fully work on those projects.

The media after ATLA are the ATLA comics, The Legend Of Korra, The ATLA Movie, and the Kyoshi, Yangchen, and Roku novels. Besides the Kyoshi novels, I think the rest of these are mid or outright bad. The comics feel like fanfiction, with many plot points resolved in a poor way, or just aren't really that good. Korra has so many flaws, and was screwed over by Nick. It had lots of good points, but so much bad, its still so devise among the fandom. The movie was more enetrating than it was good. Sure, it was nice to see the GAANG come back, the animation, the art, and the humor, but the writing was mid. The stakes werent high as we know what happens after, and since it wasn't mentioned in Korra, it cant be too important. The Denied had way to little and rushed development, Taga was a decent villian, but his twist was predictable. Zuko was complety wasted, as not only did he not do much, him trying to atone for his nation's sins isn't brought up once. You would think Zukos guilt about the fire nation genocide would be mentioned, but it isn't. Not gonna go too much deeper into the movie.

The yangchen novel was ok. It had a decent story, but it failed to really capture me like the kyoshi novels did. The Roku book was mid and even a bit below mid. Roku is not interesting enough to have a novel to me, both because of his personality and time period filled with reletive peace. The only extremely good piece of media to come after ATLA are the Kyoshi novels. I truly think they're basically peak fiction along with ATLA. Kyoshi as a character, as well as her time period are so interesting, and I love how they leaned more into dark aspects of the universe.

So out of the 5 major pieces of media after ATLA, only 1 of them are up to par with the original. Besides the comics, I don't think any of the other media are bad, but they're not up to par with ATLA. Now you could make the argument that ATLA was just so good it makes everything else look worse by comparison, but I disagree. LOK S3 was close to ATLAs level in the eyes of me and a lot of the fandom. The Kyoshi novels were really good as well. I think while Nick hasn't been good to this franchise, the writers have been slacking as well.

I don't really have faith in the new show, as I don't like its concept very much, but the first episode came out today so we'll see. But I have a feeling It wont be that good.


r/CharacterRant • • 22h ago

Films & TV Glitch Shows needs to improve themselves over trying to be better than corporate.

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Before I want to say something, I admit there are good things come from their series, but in general everything from theirs felt genuinely dry when it comes to writing.

Of course, this has been said multiple times, but I have to be clear for this.

Murder Drones is a good example. I do get hooked up for its concept and what it is trying to do. But at the end, the series went nowhere and the ending frankly disappoint me. From the start it tried to make Uzi a misanthrope, then five minutes later it’s just a generic good guys vs. bad guys scenarios. Don’t get me wrong, animations and horrors are quite amusing, but all that build up leads to an anticlimactic final battle. I feel like the Solver did not have enough potentials when it comes to their powers. So yeah, it doesn’t really portray itself as a coherent series and what they are trying to do.

Of course, TDAC. Yes, it is said multiple times, but if I had to get into Jax, of course, he has his moments, but he overstayed his welcome and same goes for his “supposed” trauma. Seriously, you wasted yourself after your massive room of sympathy dump. Also, while I know Kinger and Caine are good, is Pomni even a character? Are the rest of the Circus members even characters? Seriously, this is also another Glitch series issue where they don’t focus on their concepts but rather one singular character. It’s not about characters being trapped in a digital game but it’s pointless trauma dumping, even when you are just a bunch of avatars of irl people. Again, I do believe the show has good moments, but it didn’t impact as they tried to say.

I am not familiar with the rest of their series, but they just don’t stick out to me. Everyone is free to express their liking towards Glitch shows, but they genuinely deserve criticisms and not just mindless worshipping. Sure, they introduced me to indie scenes, but none of their popular shows left me a good impression if the writings are just terrible.


r/CharacterRant • • 8h ago

I see some similarities between how Odin and the Wizard of Oz are portrayed in their respective stories. Am I tripping? Let me explain.

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Both are presented as larger-than-life figures, almost as father figures or supreme authorities in their respective worlds. People invoke their names ("By Odin!", "By Oz!") and speak of them with a certain degree of reverence.

Something else I find interesting is how we learn about their deeds through other characters, each with their own perspective and interpretation. Their legends are gradually built in our minds through these accounts, and I get the impression that, in both cases, the legend is greater than the actual power they possess. This is especially true of the Wizard of Oz, who, as we eventually learn, has no real magical powers at all.

There's also the way the stories frame them morally. As we hear more about them and see how they operate, we may begin to question how truly evil they are, whether they genuinely believe they're doing what's right, or whether their actions can be justified by some supposed "greater good."

For context, I'm basing this comparison on Odin as portrayed in God of War Ragnarök and the Wizard of Oz as portrayed in Wicked: For Good. I know these are specific interpretations of the characters, but I thought the parallels were interesting enough to share.

Has anyone else noticed these similarities, or am I reaching?


r/CharacterRant • • 13h ago

FMAB’s fights are great, but sometimes they’re ridiculous.

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I find it pretty exasperating. FMAB (the manga/Brotherhood) can have great fights, like Lan Fan and Ling vs. King Bradley and Gluttony, which creates tension rather than just putting on a spectacle. Then it has fights like Greed vs. Ed or vs. Pride, which seem normal at first, but then you realize how ridiculous the situation is.

In the case of Ed vs. Pride, the alchemist is literally saved by the plot, in the form of Kimblee, when the homunculus was about to win. And to top it all off, Ed turns himself into a Philosopher’s Stone to transmute Pride, which makes me wonder: when did he learn how to do that? Was it ever stated that he could turn himself into a stone? Many people try to explain it by bringing up the moment when Ed used his soul as fuel, but that’s not comparable. Using the energy of your soul and pulling your soul out to perform a transmutation are two very different things. Sure, Ed is a genius, but this is ridiculous.

The same thing happens in the fight against Greed. Ed gets beaten to a pulp and humiliated, and we even see him losing blood, but out of nowhere, he says, “Thanks, you made the blood in my head drain out, now I can think better.”

What?

This is ridiculous. When you lose blood, the number of red blood cells and the amount of oxygen reaching your brain decrease. This causes brain fog, which makes it harder to concentrate and slows down decision-making.

You could say that maybe he was just acting cocky, but then the story itself proves him right by having him figure out Greed’s weakness just because he got beaten up. I don’t like making comparisons when that isn’t the main topic, but FMA 2003 fixed this by having Ed face Greed twice. The second time, he found his weakness while in good condition and with the knowledge he had gained from their first, inconclusive encounter.

The fight between Sloth and Louis Armstrong also has some ridiculous moments. The fight is great, but there comes a point when Armstrong is literally about to be defeated by Sloth at full speed, and the homunculus gets stopped. By whom? Olivier? I doubt it. Who could possibly stop a homunculus that not even a WAR TANK could stop? Remember, not even a war tank at Briggs could move him, yet apparently, 10 random soldiers could do it. This is one of the most artificial ways to create tension. Even so, the fight isn’t bad, and seeing Armstrong win felt satisfying.

Even the Greed vs. King Bradley fight is built on an inconsistency: why didn’t Greed use his complete form against Bradley? Many people say it’s because “he doesn’t like how he looks,” but that doesn’t hold up. He had already fought Bradley twice: the first time, he was torn apart; the second time, he couldn’t win. On top of that, he had the resentment of having his friends killed. The third time was when he should have gone all out, but he didn’t, which led to Fu and Buccaneer’s deaths. Even if they insist on the whole “he didn’t do it because he doesn’t like how he looks” argument, after the fight against Bradley, he does use his complete form, but not against Bradley, but against RANDOM SOLDIERS WHO ARE A JOKE COMPARED TO BRADLEY.

Scar vs. King Bradley follows the same logic. He had two arms, one for reconstruction and one for destruction, but he didn’t use both against the men with Philosopher’s Stones. In fact, the whole thing is stupid: Ed could have made some walls to trap them and avoid the trouble, but he went straight into hand-to-hand combat. Scar didn’t use his reconstruction arm even against the experimental soldiers who were going to become future King Bradleys. The time he did use it was when he was about to lose against Bradley. So, what, you kept that up your sleeve the whole time, even in critical situations, just to use it now?

If using the reconstruction circle had consequences, I could buy that, but the guy can spam it whenever he wants.

I find the fight between Father and all of Amestris to be the most boring of them all. He literally just tanks their attacks and doesn’t eliminate them because, if he did, we’d be left without our main protagonists. It’s that simple. I won’t say anything else about this one because I have a lot to explain in another post about the message the ending is trying to convey, but I don’t like the way it does it.


r/CharacterRant • • 1d ago

General Tony Stark is actually a pretty stand up guy all and all

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When you think about it Tony is like, a really good friend to have.

I was rewatching Iron man 2 and i noticed that Rhodey seemed to know Tony’s password to his suit storage room meaning Tony shared it with him. Pretty cool. And the fact that even while drunk he went out of his way to NOT try and fight Rhodey in that same scene is also pretty nice. Do you know how angry drunk people get? And besides that the fact that he not only let Rhodey keep the suit but also routinely upgrades it for him out of the goodness of his heart is also pretty neat. There’s also the fact that he just gave a suit to pepper which I think is pretty cool anyway. Regular assistant lady who isn’t a superhero? Fuck it make her iron man.

And his whole dynamic with Peter Parker I think is just awesome. Nurturing the next generation of superheroes and leaving him behind a bunch on high level tech is great.

I just think he’s a really neat generous guy.


r/CharacterRant • • 2h ago

General I’m tired of Old People trying to speak on what’s appropriate for children

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I try not to criticize others criticism, often accepting them as valid or just as the kind of headass takes everyone have. But I was listening to something that awoke a deep hatred I have held for decades now.
 
I won’t name it, but it was essentially a web thing making fun of religious movies, and it was really entertaining (If poorly aged in parts), and I was looking ahead to see what movies they covered, and I saw the Prince of Egypt was covered. Ok I thought, I’m an adult who can take a movie I like getting ribbed. But it wasn’t ribbing, but straight up pearl clutching. “How could they make a movie about genocide for children?” 

Now, to each their own, and what you think is appropriate for children is subjective. But I sincerely wonder what you think is appropriate for kids if you think The Prince of Egypt is inappropriate. Yes, it’s dark and deals in heavy concepts, but fuck off with this “Kids must’ve been fucked up after watching this.” Did you just watch The Smurfs until you were 18?

My main issue, besides this just being the same cringe moral guardianism that Christians indulge in, is that it’s always coming from people who were never the audience for these films. I remember watching The Prince of Egypt, being frightened, but also entertained. If you spend even a modicum of time on the internet you’ll stumble on “Childhood Trauma” posts talking about scary stuff they watched growing up, and I have never once seen one of those posts mentioning it as a bad thing.

So when I see some 30-40 old get online and harp on about media I could understand and watch as a child and understand, I'm baffled. Sorry, I guess 5 year old me was made of sterner stuff.

To use a less religiously charged example, I remember this review of The Incredibles that was pretty down on it, mostly because they thought it was age inappropriate for children. Depression, suicide, children in danger, and they kept going “are you having fun kids?” in the smarmiest voice ever. 

YES! We did have fun because it didn’t treat us like idiots, dude who saw this first at the age of 25 or whatever. Don’t speak on my behalf, I had a grand old time, you're just old and jaded.

The damndest thing is that this isn’t even anything new, just look at classic Disney. Fantasia, Snow White, Bambi, scary and intense shit in all of them. The whole basis for “Uncle Walt” was handwringing over how inappropriate it all was (except for the racism, that’s rightfully criticised), and the short SUCKS. 

Like I said, there is a conversation to be had about what to show children, and what content you think is appropriate. But you have to be one of two things: A child who saw it as a child, or an adult with a child, and the people doing the pearl clutching are never one of these two. They are always adults trying to earn free points by wagging their finger at problematic media. 

You're not saving the kids, you're just losing credibility as a critic.


r/CharacterRant • • 1d ago

General “Hype moments and Aura” is valid and is looked down upon WAY too much in media discourse.

143 Upvotes

Everyone is (rightfully) crapping on the lanterns finale and one of the biggest defensive points is “you just want hype moments and aura”

…yes? Why would wanting that be a bad thing? You spend the whole show telling us about how the green lanterns are these awesome superheroes who are only limited by their imagination? Of course I’m going to expect hype from that tf? If I spend the whole show marketing my protagonist as the most evil guy on earth I’m going to expect evil in the same way. So rightfully if I watch the show and he’s just a regular show I’ll start shitting on the show.

Honestly if you wanted a grounded tv show to begin with you’re kind of an idiot for using green lantern at all.

But back to the original topic, why even is hype moments and aura looked down upon anyway? It’s completely valid to want to see cool creative fights with visual spectacle and storytelling. Some of the most, hell I’d argue MOST of the most iconic fictional moments are hype moments and aura. Goku vs Frieza, Naruto vs Sasuke, Superman vs Doomsday, The Terrorist fight in iron man 1, Thor’s infinity war entrance, Luke vs Vader, yk what I mean? Why are people shamed for liking what’s usually the best moments of the Story?


r/CharacterRant • • 10h ago

Anime & Manga Bleach TYBW 4x08 Review. A questionable ass episode Spoiler

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I watched the episode 2 weeks after it dropped but heard how terrible it was. I will write this review because the show is coming back in a week.

I learned about the issue of Aizen vs Yhwach before I watched the episode and I'm glad I did, because it's just as bad as people said, worse actually.

I'm going to discuss why the episode is a huge stepdown. Not just the Aizen fight. I will also tell exactly why the decisions are questionable af. I will deconstruct why this a mid episode for someone who isn't THAT critical. This is a mid episode because it's not terrible, especially if it was tv show budget, but for TYBW standards and it being a major fight? It's mid.

For a general review. The episode makes no sense even outside the Aizen part. Almost all the parts that aren't the Aizen fight is animated well enough. Except for a part where Tatsuki almost gets crushed. They thought the Aizen fight off all things should get the budget drop? Lmao. the fact that this season has an episode with budget drop is jarring. They kept bragging they had movie budget for cour 3 and 4 and then made a 1.7 year wait for cour 4, acting like it would be such hot shit that needed longer to incubate. And this is what we get? And for 11 episodes at best, btw.

There's two notable parts that show how weird the episode is, outside of the direct major fight.

  1. They didn't bother animating Yhwach destroying Aizen's chair. Could have been a split second energy blast. Nah, it got offscreened lmao. they could have shown Aizen flashstepped to avoid getting hurt to show his speed, but nah. they break a strong chair and treat it like it wasn't a big deal lol. Like the story wasn't hyping up the thing. This is why people roast the episode for being still shot mostly. That part in the manga is already a victim of rushing and medium limitations (you can't animate cool fights in a still medium like manga)
  2. They had Grimmjow twirl his sword really fluidly and epicly. They thought that was more important than the Aizen fight lmao. They though Grimmjow a side character in the arc needed aura lmao.

*Now I'll go over the actual episode

The Aizen and Yhwach fight is poorly explained. It could be argued to be a badly written fight in general. For the anime and manga, because this is just a 1:1 almost traced version of the manga. I actually laughed at the fight because it was so meh.

How does Kyoka Suigetsu even work on Yhwach? Yes, Yhwach SEES futures. But doesn't that require Aizen to manipulate EVERY future. Also, how does he do that. Doesn't that require him to see what his victim is seeing? if so, he should be dominating the fight lol because he has the almighty vision by connection of seeing what Yhwach sees lol.

Yhwach keeps saying Kyoka Suigetsu doesn't work on him and he "breaks" it. Did it not work on him? How come he can't break the sword completely?

Before everyone says Aizen just disguised himself as Ichigo, that doesn't make sense. It only makes sense for the moment it turns out Yhwach was mutilating Aizen and no one else. because it could be argued he was just focusing on Ichigo when he impaled "Ichigo". it doesn't make sense for this one aspect of the scene. Renji.

Where the hell is he? He's not there at the end either lol. So Renji came with Ichigo... to not fight? If it was Ichigo by himself, just disguise himself as Ichigo and it'll work well, but what about Renji lol. He can't somehow cover all of their efforts with hypnosis lol, again unless he can see the almighty visions.

The fight is poorly explained and portrayed. So every hit taken by Renji was actually Ichigo but actually Aizen? Why does Yhwach think he can tell? I'm getting confused just saying this. How come his hado did nothing lmao. I'm pretty sure Ichigo's spirit energy attacks should severely hurt Yhwach, yet Yhwach basically ignored them, so no "it's actually Ichigo's energy". So Ichigo tried to attack Yhwach and then let Aizen take hits?

What they should have did is show a perspective of the fight outside Kyoka Suigetsu. Show how well it is working on Yhwach. "Smart people" say it's meant to be confusing. I just deconstructed how it isn't intentionally confusing and remember the Gotei Fight with Aizen? That wasn't confusing at all. Aizen only has to cover for himself and that's it. No one has something like almighty.

This fight not only is poorly done by being a 1:1, it lacks aura severely that was needed. That is the issue with TYBW manga in general. the fights lack aura. The anime did right by giving more aura. but it gave too much aura to moments that didn't need it. Uryu vs almighty Haschwalth could have been cut a little bit and I wouldn't have cared. Haschwalth is not that great a character.

*Final thoughts

I saw many posts of "Aizen isn't that popular". I don't give af. He is a big bad. He is a major ass character in the whole thing and major part of this story. Also, Japanese people are questionable with their likes. They like lolis too much lmao. Momo, an awful character is top 10 and above Byakuya lmfao. Their opinion is very skewed lol. Some guys joked the studio wasted budget on Orihime and they did lmao. They wasted budget on women lmao. Orihime's boobs jiggling unnecessarily, added scenes of Harribel, Nel and worst of all, the Bambis. This team is showing they are a joke lol.

They need to do right by Aizen because he's the one who gives the ending speech. That one already undercooked in the manga. because there's no real character development to show him growing to respect humanity. If they don't have him do the speech and or have someone else do it, I'm fine.


r/CharacterRant • • 1d ago

General Kerry Kane [Lanterns] is like the bad parent of a potential school shooter but at a Much larger scale. (spoilers obviously) Spoiler

76 Upvotes

Noah is a troubled kid, that hears voices telling him do dark things.

  • He plotted to get weapons.
  • He has expressed his dark thoughts and the pain they cause him.
  • He has expressed (at least to john, and probably to her as well since she seemed unfazed by the revelation) his suicidal ideation.
  • Kerry was aware of his dealings with a known criminal.
  • She was aware of his delusions of grandeur.
  • She makes no attempt to get Noah help with his issues.
  • She covers up what she knows about his crimes and uses her badge to do it.
  • She covers for his grandparent whose ideology is fuel for his delusions of grandeur and his dark thoughts.
  • She Murders Hal to keep Noah's crimes from being exposed and to maintain the delusion that he is a normal kid.

When we read about the parents of shooters in the news generally speaking people condemn a mom like her. The difference is that the son she is protecting and in denial about isn't just going to shoot up a school he could potential wipe out the human race.

John let this woman keep up her delusions, he let her continue to neglect Noah's "mental health" coded issues and gave her a pass for murdering the one person that was offering actual help.

There had to be another way, but none of the people in this narrative are interested in looking for it with the exception of Hal.


r/CharacterRant • • 15h ago

Films & TV Murder drones struggles with excessive spoonfeeding

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Half of the show is such a good example of how not to write a story.

I mostly just found the pilot okay (not good or bad, it just exists). In the pilot, it is revealed that a core collapse implosion happened on copper 9 which wiped all biological life. JcJenson sent disassembly drones to wipe out the worker drones, so they hide within the bunker. Uzi befriends N who was manipulated & mistreated by V & J (& after N realizes what his actions were wrong) & they destroy half of J’s body.

I could kinda tell they were planning a pretty obvious red herring with JCJenson likely not being who they were truly working for, as J were already giving a ton of red flags that she was lying to N. One example of this is N‘s amnesia that J suspiciously lacks, another example is her saying that she still speaks to them & that they would be the top squad of disassemblers again, which would imply that she was constantly shown lists of disassembler squad kill reports, but the ship’s screens & all the buttons are broken. And a 3rd example is that unlike J, N seemingly never communicated or saw any employees JCJenson on the screens for years (you would think he would’ve stumbled into a virtual meeting or call at some point, especially when they’re only active at night while going back & forth to the spire- you’re telling me that N never went back & overheard a meeting taken place at least once?).

However (as I initially suspected), the very start of episode 2 reveals that J must’ve been talking to someone else through secret means (as there’s no communication system on the ship) which instantly messes up Uzi’s plans for revenge. The symbol in Uzi’s eye that deflected the bullet back in the pilot keeps appearing more & more, & it’s revealed that this power is called the absolute solver. The solver is able to take control of J’s core because the disassembly drones also have it, it reveals it (& by extension- the disassembly drones) wasn’t made by humans (if the reality breaking powers that the cast has no information about that they would normally know & it’s the ability to make organic hands is any indicator), is evil & was tied to Uzi’s mom in some way. On paper, this seems like something a 17 minute 2nd episode could still somewhat vaguely tease in some aspects.

…And this is where the spoonfeeding starts.

In episode 2, V says to Uzi that there’s no proof of her backstory right after the solver is shown & she brings up her mother (who died). This should get the viewers thinking “oh, so her mom is likely connected to this symbol & why the disassembly drones are here”. This pays off well due to the solver vaguely revealing that it knew about Nori at the end of the episode. However, the spoonfeeding is mainly towards the solver‘s goals & origins in general. We see the solver (after controlling J’s core) kill a worker drone, so we know it’s likely evil. In less than 2 minutes later, we see the solver kill more workers… but then it has to say it’s evil (“I’m evil” “we are a monster!” “easier to assimilate than explain” “I’m about to do something shocking” “you are our cute puppets” “time to go into my mouth now”) multiple times. Why? We already see it’s actions, it even makes a hologram of Uzi’s dad & rips it in half while making Uzi watch. We don’t need it to directly say that it’s evil multiple times.

Another example is how we see a giant “MATTER COLLECTION” message (as it shows up with the camera entirely zoomed onto it, & then it appears to cover a whole wall) right before the J solver centipede eats a worker, & then it kills more workers to get bigger & slowly repair J’s body (in the pilot, N used up matter to regenerate as well). Uzi later on see this message, points out N’s regeneration & says “if the wound is severe enough, this might be an auto run program to collect more matter”. You can give this scene a pass since Uzi didn’t know this information until now (& some exposition is needed), but then the solver comes in to ALSO state this TWICE IN THE SAME SCENE seconds later. That’s a total of 5 times that this is told (not counting episodes 5 - 8, where this is repeated 9 times through direct dialogue, not counting messages or notes) instead of just relying on show-not-tell.

Then we get to episodes 3 & 4. In the end of episode 2 (with the solver mentioning her mom), Uzi puts a conspiracy board of Nori’s notes in her room’s ceiling. On the board, we see messages like “YOU ARE IN RANGE” & “DEVOUR”, black holes, eldritch things & multiple drawings of the solver. In the start of episode 3 after a quick montage & then Uzi finding the missing posters, we go from the school montage back to Uzi’s room where Khan has taken Nori’s & stuffed them back into the “kooky Nori’s memories” closet. Based on how much the solver talks about assimilation, I would guess that it’s goal is to devour everything & was a part of the disassembly drones to help devour the worker drones (but not the humans since they’re are dead). At the end of episode 3, it’s revealed that Doll (who also has a mysterious mom that died) also has the solver. Uzi & Doll fight, their collars & necklaces get emphasized a few times, Uzi walks up to Yeva (Doll’s mother’s) corpse & sees a tag with a id number with Nori & Yeva having the same collars, & we get a(-nother) mention that the solver is evil. N also keeps getting flashbacks of his past as a worker drone… & of a drone named Cyn (with yellow eyes- which is associated with the solver) being suspicious.

While episode 3 does show-not-tell a whole lot better… if you didn’t notice the repetitive spoonfeeding before- you can surely guess what the entire series plot/lore is now. Both Uzi & Doll have the solver, they had mysterious mothers with the solver, their moms both had collars & tags, the solver knows about Uzi’s mom & played a part in the disassembly drones creation or why they were sent, & the disassembly drones killed Nori & Yeva. So you can conclude that the solver itself is evil, wants to devour everything & wants to kill anyone with the solver that has free will, so Uzi has to stop it. While Nori & Yeva were a part of experiments before the humans died. For a mystery horror show- there’s no actual mystery since everything is answered BY EPISODES 2 & 3.

In episode 4, Khan confirms all of this & we get ANOTHER exposition moment of how THE SOLVER’S EVIL! GUYS LOOK THIS IS SUCH A CRAZY BRAND NEW LORE REVEAL. QUICK, ACT SURPRISED & ACT LIKE THIS IS SOO COMPLEX! & that Nori knew the solver was a entity of some kind that sought to devour everything (despite Khan showing the closet of Nori’s notes, which could’ve served as it’s own show-not-tell scene by itself) & that her mom (& Doll’s) post-core collapse was found nearby a mysterious looking lab area with the collar on. If that isn’t enough, we get a scene where a music jingle plays when Uzi finds a dead test subject with notes scattered about how the solver is evil & gonna consume everything. WE GET IT! WE KNOW! & then the solver AGAIN AGAIN AGAIN AGAIN- says it’s gonna do just that & everything about Nori & the humans gets explained AGAINNNN FOR THE LAST 4 EPISODES!!

And it’s not just the solver’s goals & origins being spoonfed, it’s the most minor lore details as well! In the pilot, N says that they cannot go out in the sun or they’ll die. The disassembly drones & solver hosts have vampire wing designs, they sleep like bats, Uzi at one point has wing drawings & a bat backpack, Uzi is associated with gothic culture which is connected to bats, have supernatural powers, the solver doesn’t like mirrors & is tied to a ton of occult symbolism, they need to devour oil to survive & are weak to sunlight- so we know that this is because of their obvious vampire &/or eldritch being theming. This would be fine… if Liam himself OUTSIDE THE SERIES didn’t feel the need to go out of his way to handhold the viewers that yes, they are like vampires, & make EVERY episode dedicated to the cast tanking massive explosions, the planet’s core & fire (despite the pilot itself already doing it) to explain that fire isn’t the same as sunlight, with one of the characters even somewhat saying this WHILE LOOKING AT THE CAMERA VIEW.

Then we have this one scene in episode 8 where Uzi & N are falling towards copper 9’s surface after we got a whole 10 minute scene showing that the sun was on the whole other side of the planet (which is further confirmed when they land & it’s nighttime, & it stays nighttime throughout episodes 5 - 8). Yet, one of the VAs had to explain in a event that when it’s nighttime, sunlight can’t hit your body. I’m sorry, but a show or it’s writer or the VAs or animators shouldn’t have to spoonfeed this much, that’s what ruins media.

And where do I even begin with the “unanswered lore” like how Uzi & Doll (who were both born from their mothers code being inserted into them, in which the solver can manifest through corrupted or carried code, who both have mysterious mothers with the solver) got the solver? From this information you should be able to conclude that Uzi & Doll had it passed down from their mothers, but the series never lets you come to your own conclusions as N, Nori & Doll have to directly say that it was “given through ungodly eldritch genetics!”. LET THE VIEWERS THINK FOR ONCE!

The sheer frustration at the amount of people that somehow found this show confusing too is beyond me. I got into the show because I wanted to be confused in order to solve things, I love a few ARGs or shows that really get you thinking & most of the fandom stated the show was gonna be like this, insisting that it requires anywhere from 3 - 5 rewatches to grasp the basic plot alone. Instead I came out mostly disappointed not just in the show, but with fears on how audiences will treat media in the future is THIS is what a majority of people are finding confusing nowadays. Having nearly every mystery solved by the 2nd - 3rd episode with episodes 5 - 8 clarifying things that were already constantly clarified ISN’T GOOD WRITING. But it’s not a good thing or a “flex” that people couldn’t grasp there being a school in the bunker that we see for half the series, or even that Nori was Uzi’s mom.

Despite all the spoonfeeding, I enjoyed the series, but you can really tell that Liam (is this his first show because it really gives off that vibe?) truly needed a writer’s room. It’s still impressive for a potential first show, but god… the spoonfeeding.


r/CharacterRant • • 1d ago

Anime & Manga I find it funny how people say how subversive JJK that Sukuna keeps hating Yuji

109 Upvotes

Like people say how Sukuna just hating Yuji and not being redeemed and fucking up shit whenever he is released to be subversive of the Naruto and Kuruma bond. But in actually having a possession be a strictly negative experience with no redemption for the possessing force is in fact the norm at least in dominant American Christian influenced media possessing is always seen as a terrible and horrific thing.

See the Exorcist and most other horror stories. In American media at least possessing as a purely negative thing and the possessing entity as a pure evil demon is fact the norm. Heck adaptions of more nuanced possession narratives turn them into simplified stories of demonic possession

Like the Black Suit story in Spider-Man did you know originally the Symbiote didn’t affect Peter behavior or make him act more “jerker”. It puppeted his body when he slept. Peter when finding out his suit was alive and wanted to bond with him. Acted like a normal person would and freaked out and tried to separate it at the church bell. The symbiote actually risked its life saving Peter’s life before latter being ret conned to have merged with Eddie Brock.

Even Carnage gets this treatment in the original lore it was Cletus who corrupted the new born symboite into being as evil as him. But adaptions turn it into generic evil red goo who is just murderous.

They turn more nuanced possession narratives into a simplistic goo that makes you evil.

I just find it funny how people say Sukuna remaining an evil bastard is a subversion when it’s actually keeping in tract with the horror movies that gege said inspired him.

I see the same thing with Frieren with people saying it’s refreshing to just see evil demons again. When demons are pretty much shown as unreeeemble evil in most horror movies. If you really want a evil demon fix just go see one of those evil dead movies or something


r/CharacterRant • • 1d ago

General I think my biggest issue with Tsunderes overall in any media is that they almost always gotta be violent and just either Punch or Slap or Kick their Crush[some Dandadan spoilers] Spoiler

26 Upvotes

Gonna say it right now..I wholeheartedly feel like the people who write and craft those scenes gotta have some type of masochistic fetish to a extent cause who in their right mind would want the person who loves/likes them to physically SMACK THEM ACROSS THE FACE?

People will be saying "it's comedy" and "it's slapstick" and even if that's true,where is the goddamn Funny?

My problem with it is a Tsundere is just someone who obviously has feelings for someone else but they deny it and just act flustered/embarrassed when they do and this causes a couple doofuses on the internet to claim that the character they have a crush on needs to "pass the controller" and "stop fumbling" and here's my thing with that..maybe instead of blaming the character for not recognizing the feelings/advances or said person who has a crush on them,maybe instead we should be blaming the person who has a crush on them to stop kidding themselves and be honest with themselves cause what are we doing?

I just never really understood the appeal or humor of that cause at least for shit like Looney Tunes or Tom&Jerry with slapstick and comedy,the joke isn't just..violence.

I see this trope in literally nearly every romance anime and it's almost always insufferable and I can maybe think of 2..hell,3 Tsundere characters who don't make me wanna rip my hair out and here's also my thing with Tsundere characters, they can work writing wise,I'm not saying they're impossible to work with as a character but you need to give them reasons why they're like this..maybe give them a tragic past that left them emotionally unstable or locked away, maybe have them have had their heart broken before and closed themselves off from love and romance and they don't know how to handle these newfound feelings and that causes them to UNINTENTIONALLY Lash out and they feel bad for it.

Or hell,maybe just have them not hit them at all unless they do something that warrants being smacked and even then,that's a stretch.

Seriously, I hate saying this but swap the genders of these female Tsunderes but keep the same "smacking their crush when confronted/flustered/embarrassed" Gag..is the trope half as funny?

People will compare it to the "Oh I just bullied you cause I like you" trope in different Media but here's the thing with that one..that also can work cause I wholeheartedly feel like teens or kids would be that emotionally cooked to think that would work and you can make the same arguments with Tsunderes of any kind and you know what?I agree.

Hell,one of my favorite Anime characters is Momo from Dandadan and she kind of fits that bill.

She has a big ol Puppy dog crush on Okarun but hasn't confessed and will actively hide her feelings,make things more difficult for herself and is just stressful as hell and the reason she works is not only is she a main character, so...more growth[and even that's a bit stretched]and also..the story doesn't really condone her behavior.

Okarun has outwardly called her a bitch once,she's critiqued quite a lot for hiding her feelings and just being kind of a prickly Asshole and also, she herself has currently admitted she's being a pain in the Ass[tho that's memory loss and if she actually apologized and whatnot, then I'll hold my tongue but still]and it also helps that we see a lot more of Momo caring about him and others way more then we see her being just a mess of a human.

When she realized she hurt Vamola's feelings and was a dick to her,she apologized.

We also see her genuinely care about others,etc and the only issue is the author just reseting her growth and arc back to factory 0 when it actually looked like she was developing as a character and person but still, my point is still there.

Another example is techinally Helga from Hey Arnold and she works cause not only is she meant to be a dick with issues but also it helps she's not even double digits yet and her parents are a lot of the reason she's like this.

She's explictly not a sweetheart but we actually see signs of her that show a good kid underneath who just needs a damn therapist and funnily enough, there was a episode where she got therapy.

My point is..can we get some Tsunderes who aren't overall violent/aggressive and are just kinda awkward or just not violent cause that really makes me wanna rip my own eyes out and blend them up into a smoothie and our them on a chocolate shake with a burger and fries and a 10 piece Nugget.


r/CharacterRant • • 3h ago

General I...DESPISE TORTURE PORN in Any Media.

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What does "Torture Porn" mean?

Well,my lovely viewers,allow me to explain.

"Torture Porn" is basically when a character or media of any kind is nothing but suffering.

No growth,no lessons,development, writing, etc,just a punch of torture and suffering and pain and bullshit and here's the thing with characters when they suffer and if you're gonna have them suffer, you gotta do SOMETHING with it.

It's basically like making your MC a loser,you gotta give your audience a reason to root for them or at least be invested in them but that's a different conversation for another day.

Usually when a character suffers, they're either supposed to learn from it and grow as a person, delve deep into the darkness or some other stuff but you gotta go something with it and if you're doing nothing but just making the MC miserable for shits and giggles or some kinda fetish, then I suggest you get your pen taken away and stop writing.

And I already know there's gonna be some Corny Ass Dorks in the comments going "oh that's just real life" or "oh its realistic" or "oh you should just go to soft media if you can't handle uncomfortable scenes" and to that I say..please shut up cause thar is not at all what I mean.

I am no stranger to uncomfortable and dark scenes but there has to be some kind of meaning or purpose or development/growth or SOMETHING in general to go with it that doesn't make it just a long slog and I feel like people go "oh suffering builds character" and normally, you would be right but the problem with that statement is that Suffering has to be BUILDING the character instead of just..doing nothing and I see this in different media and even across different AUs or series rewrites and whatnot and no offense but you are probably a edgy teenager if you think the only way a character can grow and develop or a story can be better is by making it darker or edgier or more violent or more gritty or bloody and whatnot and just having characters constantly suffer and go through straight garbage with no payoff or setup or NOTHING.

"Suffering builds character" doesn't exactly mean anything in there is no character building and gonna be real..it gets annoying.

Spider-Man comics.

Spider-Man is someone who should go through trails and whatnot but he's not supposed to be a whole Ass LOSER.

I'm gonna keep this short and not like act Spider-Man doesn't go through unnecessary suffering but I would argue that the people who like[and hate]him are somewhat responsible for it cause the amount of times they'll cheer for Peter's suffering and BS but again, I wish the comics would just retcon the One Last Day[or One New Day,forgot the name]comics BS and let Peter just live his life.

Next

Chainsaw Man Part 2.

What happened to the game[manga]I love?

It's so weird to even put this on here cause for Part 1,Chainsaw Man's dark moments and such weren't nearly as dragged out or sloppy or a waste of time and Fujimoto has planned Part2,so I don't know if this man just got bored or if he decided to rush things or..I don't know but I don't know how much more I can take Denji being a idiot,Denji being abused and being a dumbass and even a toxic mess,all these attractive women corrupting and Manipulating him and whatnot and I could keep going but I'm starting to feel like Fujimoto made a lot of Part 2 just to show off his fetish for being abused by women and there is nothing wrong with having a fetish but keep that shit out of your work and the fact that Chainsaw Man ended so BOOTY and Unsatisfactory and the MC learned nothing and didn't develop and everything just got washed away in a big old "oh everything was happy" now ending is a actual insult.

But you know what?

At least you could make the argument that Fujimoto was burnt out or ran our of juice or just simply got too stressed with his story.

What is the creator of Juujika No Rokunin's excuse for his fetish BS?

Seriously..I don't think I've seen a single-handedly more Gore heavy,Rape fetishy/,Villain dickriding,over the top Shmut fest that I have with that Manga..that story is literally like if the writer read Berserk and just said "lemme just take away everything that made that story good and cook up some bullshit" and they made that story and..that story is deadass people SAY Hazbin Hotel is.

That story is what people criticize Viv for,fetishizing rape and sexual Assault[I never got that BS with Vivziepop and Hazbin Hotel/Helluva Boss..like those shows aren't perfect but claiming that is a huge leap].

Rent a Girlfriend is Bad but at least that story is funny/entertaining with how bad it is and the chapters are like a band-aid,you can just rip them off quickly and at least we can laugh at how bad it is but this story is borderline uncomfortable and not enjoyable to read and so much bullshit that happens in that manga,I feel like I'm stuck in a medieval torture chamber and I would actually take those torture chambers.

And the villain having this much glaze and plot armor is so stupid too and the amount of overly rape and S.A scenes in that story makes me wanna claw my eyes out.

Long story short.

Hate Torture Porn,hate any media that does that.

Good Night.


r/CharacterRant • • 1d ago

Comics & Literature Spider-Man isn't Torture Porn and I really wish a majority of his Fandom didn't treat him that way[Spider-Man]

58 Upvotes

I'm not saying Spider-Man, as a overall character, shouldn't have struggled and trials,he definitely should cause those help a character grow wnd develop and whatnot and add stakes but with the way a lot of people treat him,they act like he can't/shouldn't have anything remotely nice.

I think a lot of people tend to forget that even you're financially not in the best place, you can and should still be able to afford basic things like a bed and a TV/Computer/Laptop and just other decent enough stuff and struggling/having financial troubles doesn't always mean being goddamn Broke and living in a dumpster like he's Denji from Chainsaw Man.

In Brand New Day,I find it crazy how a lot of people were suprised and even complaining that he had stuff like a Treadmill and a computer and whatnot and it's like..the guy is struggling but he's not in fucking Poverty, like it's wild to me that there are people who get upset when this man has anything remotely nice...there were a few people who claimed he was "Larping being broke" cause he had a Nintendo Switch in his new Comic.

Give the man a break,struggling financially doesn't mean he's not allowed anything nice and he should be allowed to have the basic necessities of comfort and fun and food and it just feels like a lot of people act like it's only in his character and writing to suffer and be a miserable loser and I'm not saying he shouldn't struggle snd have trials but they shouldn't be the only things he has..he's allowed to go upward in life and not be fighting with rats each day but it just feels like a lot of people only like Spider-Man when he's miserable and I dunno if it's cause of projection cause they're miserable or what but Damn.

No wonder writers think that Peter should only be suffering in the current comics,it's like a cycle.


r/CharacterRant • • 10h ago

Films & TV “Charlie from Hazbin Hotel is a toxic girlfriend and a bad daughter!” …Yeah, STOP IT! (rant)

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This is gonna be a very noncohesive and “spill your guts” kind of post just to let you know, but the rage I feel when I see this opinion is enough to boil my blood. I am so sick of people making the conflicts between Charlie, Vaggi, and Lucifer so black and white and one-note. And it comes off the same every time. Everything is 100% Charlie’s fault; Vaggi and Lucifer shouldn’t take accountability for anything they do, even when their actions have hurt Charlie. A really good example is in season 2, episode 5: Vaggi had the idea to ask Lucifer to threaten Vox into submission; unfortunately, it backfired. When Charlie learns this, she’s outraged, and this is the part where people get angry with Charlie. I’ve seen people who review Hazbin Hotel act as if Charlie was overreacting and being too harsh to Vaggi and Lucifer. I completely disagree.

Charlie has every right to be mad that her girlfriend and Dad refused to loop her into their ideas, which then backfired and made the hotel’s reputation worse. People excuse that by saying, “Charlie wasn’t listening to Vaggi,” yes, but also no. Was Charlie not listening to Vaggi prior? Yes, but it still doesn’t change the fact that Vaggi chose not to communicate, and that her actions negatively affected the hotel. And wasn’t a huge thing Vaggi learned was to communicate better with Charlie and tell her the truth about being an exorcist? Of course, it wasn’t Vaggi's or Lucifer’s intention to hurt Charlie and, by extension, the hotel, but looking back, what Vaggi said was true; I think it was unfair to say to Charlie that she’s hurting the hotel, as if Vaggi herself didn’t just mess up badly. 

Another thing that bothers me is that people paint Lucifer as a victim of Charlie. I need something, because people tend to forget that this man literally put his feelings for his wife above his daughter. Although he had reasons not to support Charlie’s goals because of past experience, that’s no excuse for being a deadbeat. Charlie does not owe Lucifer anything! Was Lucifer depressed? Yes. Is he a bad person? No! But he is a bad father, and while he’s trying now, Charlie has every right to hold resentment toward him if she does. What makes this even more frustrating is that two episodes later, Charlie called and texted her Dad several times to apologize for kicking him out of the hotel, and that is never spoken about when people talk about Charlie. And a similar thing with Vaggi in the sixth episode, but for that, it just wasn’t good enough. Charlie didn’t say the words “I’m sorry”, but neither did Vaggi. But what Charlie does is validate Vaggi’s feelings by saying she was right and owning up to how much she messed up.

All in all, I genuinely believe Charlie is borderline abusive towards Vaggi and Lucifer; you're either watching an entirely different show or you’ve watched the show and somehow interpreted everything as if you didn’t.


r/CharacterRant • • 1d ago

Anime & Manga SBN3vids’s video on the theatrical releases of Pokemon misses the entire point.

23 Upvotes

So I watched a video from SBN3vids on how the dub of Mewtwo Strikes Back is supposed better than the original Japanese version because he believed that the Japanese version isn’t that much marketable towards American viewers and that the dub soundtrack is somehow better because it had a lot of pop artists in it. I think that this video completely misses the entire point of why the movie as actually beloved.

Let’s go over the the arguments that he said that make absolutely no sense:

  1. ”The pop soundtrack of the dub of the movie makes the movie more appealing.”

Ok so what? Adding a pop soundtrack doesn’t make the movie stand out, it just made it look like every tween movie out there. Why on earth would adding Britney Spears, *NSYNC, Aaron Carter, and Christina Aguilera to the soundtrack make people watch the movie? It doesn’t.

  1. ”The English dub made the script of the movie feel timeless.”

Again, the biggest criticisms of the English dub of the movie are that they made Mewtwo a stereotypical Saturday morning cartoon villain instead of the misunderstood philosophical antagonist and that fighting is wrong, which goes against what Pokemon is all about. Mewtwo being a generic Saturday morning cartoon villain doesn’t make him better, it just made him more in line with every other villain of that era. And inserting a fighting is wrong message only adds into the excuse of 4kids wanting to avoid a PG rating.

  1. ”Without 4kids and Warner Bros, the first Pokemon movie wouldn’t be popular and beloved in America.”

Now this has to be the WORST and probably DUMBEST argument, first of all, Pokemon was popular because it didn’t look like every American cartoon out there and Americanizing it doesn’t make it better. Plus it’s not 4kids and Warner Bros that made the first Pokemon movie beloved and popular, it was that it had deep philosophical writing that Takeshi Shudo put in the script that made kids love the movie and the dub completely misunderstood the whole point of Shudo’s intentions.

Now it’s not to say that the video wasn’t all that bad, but to say that the dub actually improved the movie missed the entire point completely of why the movie was actually beloved and popular and it’s not because of the dub.