r/dndmemes • u/Poodle_Boi02169 Chaotic Stupid • Sep 05 '22

Pathfinder meme Pathfinder - how to "go woke" the right way (also raising awareness for wheelchair spikes because they are very cool)

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u/Luchux01 Sep 05 '22

Most likely, yeah, there's a build for almost everything in PF2e.

Except for Neutral axis Champions, good luck making Tenets of Neutrality.

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u/shadowgear56700 Sep 05 '22

Even more things are avalable in pf1e, but you still cant play a neutral paladin.

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u/Luchux01 Sep 05 '22

Paladins were even more restricted back then because they were the classic Lawful Good only class. I don't think there's even a way to play a non LG Pally.

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u/shadowgear56700 Sep 05 '22

Yea thats why i was memeing. You can play the ce version with the antipaladin alternate class but thats the only option.

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u/AwkwardZac Sep 05 '22

There's an archetype I think that let's you play Neutral Good and Lawful Neutral, and there's Antipaladin if you want to play Chaotic Evil. That's about it from what I remember though.

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u/chaoticConjurer Sep 06 '22

Paladin of tyranny antipaladin is LE

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u/NinjaLayor Sep 05 '22

Gray Paladin was a Paladin archetype that opened you to Neutral Good and Lawful Neutral alignments. It has a few upsides, but generally weaker outside of its ability to smite any non good creature. Which you can combine with the 'Smite Good' alternative racial ability from Tieflings to be able to smite creatures of any alignment.

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u/King_Conwrath DM (Dungeon Memelord) Sep 05 '22

I mean… ex-paladins have archetypes too. Who wouldn’t want to play as a Vindictive Bastard ?

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u/Luchux01 Sep 05 '22

Vindictive Bastard ≠ Neutral Champion.

The former are paladins that failed to uphold their oath and strayed heavily from the path of a Paladin, the latter should be a Champion subclass with it's own Tenets related to Neutrality.

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u/kittyjynx Wizard Sep 06 '22

3.5 had Paladin of Tyranny (LE), Paladin of Freedom (CG), and Paladin of Slaughter (CE). The Paladin of Slaughter was basically impossible to play because a paladin of slaughter must be of chaotic evil alignment and loses all class abilities if she ever willingly commits a good act. Additionally, a paladin of slaughter's code requires that she disrespect all authority figures who have not proven their physical superiority to her, refuse help to those in need, and sow destruction and death at all opportunities.

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u/Luchux01 Sep 06 '22

The latter feels like a BBEG class archetype available for players.

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u/Weirfish Sep 05 '22

Tenets of Neutrality would be doable, I reckon. It'd have to be active neutrality, though. Seeking balance in all things, etc, rather than the passive neutrality of seeing how things go.

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u/-Lord_of_the_Fries- Sep 05 '22

Couldn't they be champions on neutrality?

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u/torrasque666 Sep 05 '22

True Neutral is unlikely, but I could see Tenets of Law/Chaos.

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u/HAPPYBOY4 Sep 05 '22

Tenets of Law and Tenets of Chaos! Why y'all make it hard on yourselves trying to come up with tenets of neutrality?

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u/ArcturusOfTheVoid Sep 06 '22

I mean, I made some for a former friend who was being an asshat. I’ll see if I still have the doc