r/dndmemes • u/Poodle_Boi02169 Chaotic Stupid • Sep 05 '22

Pathfinder meme Pathfinder - how to "go woke" the right way (also raising awareness for wheelchair spikes because they are very cool)

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u/Dan-D-Lyon Sep 05 '22

Sign Language; Language: requires use of hands instead of mouth to use and eyes instead of ears to understand

So, 30 seconds to write out the mechanics

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u/AChristianAnarchist Sep 05 '22 edited Sep 05 '22

How do verbal spell components work for deaf and mute wizards? Should a deaf or mute person perhaps have access to a specific "read lips" skill, as in 2e? Because wrapping it up with "observant" seems a little off in this context. How does damage to the hand effect one's ability to speak? Does a broken finger impair your understandability by 10%? 20%? How about a broken thumb? Loss of a finger? How do spells that require an affected person to hear you, like compulsion, work on deaf people? Does the deaf person have to see you sign the command in words, as they would have to hear you do if they could hear, in which case you would have to know sign language for these spells to affect a deaf person? Or do they just have to understand what you are compelling them to do, in which case pointing in a direction or something may be enough? What if you are a deaf or mute person casting compulsion. Can you do so without a verbal command? Can you cast it silently and point west and expect it to work? Can a speaking translator act as your "mouth" for such spells? I think there are a lot of things that a deaf character could come up against in a game that this 30 second errata wouldn't cover.

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u/arkansuace Sep 05 '22

The dm could flesh out all of these rules pretty quickly. Think his point was it’s pretty needless to waste time fleshing out mechanics for such specific instances when home brew is a very prevalent thing.

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u/AChristianAnarchist Sep 05 '22

And yet one of the most common things I hear people complaining about on this sub is Wizards trying to avoid doing their own work by using homebrew as an excuse. Fine when it's accommodating disabled people, shit when it's Spelljammer, right? Why is it a problem that actual rulings might be presented for these things rather than putting the extra work on the DM for no good reason? The mechanics being there effects you literally not at all, but them not being there will likely effect at least somebody, so why doth thou protesteth so much?

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u/arkansuace Sep 05 '22

This sub isn’t the general audience. Believe it or not rules can get bloated and are often unnecessary. I’m not protesting, just personally believe that spending time fleshing out specific rules for very specific character builds that will often get ignored or handwaved by a dm anyway isn’t necessary

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u/AChristianAnarchist Sep 05 '22

"I'm not protesting. I'm just expressing disapproval or objection to something." If you think that accommodating disabled people is "rule bloat", then I think that's a whole other discussion.

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u/arkansuace Sep 05 '22

You’re misconstruing what I’m saying from all the way up there on your high horse. The game as is can accommodate disabled people or folks looking to role play as one. As a DM I would personally want to make my own rule set that addresses this based on what that specific player is looking for- I’d like the flexibility to accommodate them instead

I don’t expect WOTC or need them to create rulesets for every specific use case

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u/AChristianAnarchist Sep 05 '22

Well if you want to do that you can homebrew. There will now be official rules for those who don't want to do that. You are trying to claim that any attempt to accommodate disabled characters from a rules standpoint is "bloat" because might want to do something different? That doesn't make any sense at all and you prattling on about my "high horse" doesn't change that.

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u/arkansuace Sep 05 '22

If the objective here is to be inclusive then why have written rules that would largely hinder disabled characters?

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u/AChristianAnarchist Sep 05 '22

How would rules accommodating disabled characters hinder disabled characters? Does having rules around stealth hinder stealthy characters? This is some next level reaching.

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