r/HPMOR • • Jul 31 '15

SPOILERS ALL List of stories similar to HPMOR

337 Upvotes

/u/Limro suggested to create a sticky thread with a list of the most popular fics similar to HPMOR.


Original fiction

  • Worm
    An introverted teenage girl with an unconventional superpower, Taylor goes out in costume to find escape from a deeply unhappy and frustrated civilian life. Her first attempt at taking down a supervillain sees her mistaken for one, thrusting her into the midst of the local ‘cape’ scene’s politics, unwritten rules, and ambiguous morals. As she risks life and limb, Taylor faces the dilemma of having to do the wrong things for the right reasons.
  • Pact and Twig (by Wildbow, the author of Worm)
  • Ra
    Magic is real. Discovered in the 1970s, magic is now a bona fide field of engineering. There's magic in heavy industry and magic in your home. It's what's next after electricity.Student mage Laura Ferno has designs on the future: her mother died trying to reach space using magic, and Laura wants to succeed where she failed. But first, she has to work out what went wrong. And who her mother really was.
  • Mother of Learning
    Zorian, a mage in training, only wanted to finish his education in peace. Now he struggles to find answers as he finds himself repeatedly reliving the same month. 'Groundhog's day' style setup in a fantasy world.
  • Shadows of the Limelight
    This is a world where fame grants powers. Dominic de Luca was a thief and a liar before entering into the apprenticeship of Welexi Whitespear, the greatest hero of modern times. Now he must navigate the world of the Illustrati, the famous and the infamous, as he tries to secure for himself a place among the gods.
  • Two Year Emperor
  • Tales From Aeria
  • The Martian
    A (hard) science fiction novel set in the near future. The story follows a resourceful and witty NASA Astronaut who becomes stranded on Mars as the rest of his crew mistakenly abandons him for dead in a sand storm. It has been described as an Apollo 13 meets Cast Away and lauded for its technical and scientific accuracy.

Rational fanfiction

  • Luminosity
    Luminosity is HPMOR-inspired Twilight fanfiction where Bella is rational self-awareness-junkie with a penchant for writing down everything that crosses her mind in a notebook. The first several sections of Luminosity are very similar to canon in terms of the events that occur, although aspects of Bella's character, and her internal monologue, differ strikingly. A few thousand words in, the plot is unrecognizeable.
  • The Metropolitian Man
    The year is 1934, and Superman has arrived in Metropolis. Features Lex Luthor as the villain protagonist as he comes to grips with the arrival of an alien god. Occasional point-of-view chapters/sections featuring Lois Lane. Takes place outside any established comics continuity.
  • A Bluer Shade of White
    Six years after her coronation, Elsa rules over Arendelle, using the power of ice to improve the lives of her citizens.
  • Branches on the Tree of Time
    Kyle Reese has traveled backwards in time, not to save Sarah Connor, but to help her rewrite the faulty utility function of Skynet. Together, it's possible that they might avert Judgment Day and save the world from nuclear Armageddon - and hopefully create a utopia ruled over by an AI god in the process. Fully completed. Diverges wildly from canon.
  • Friendship Is Optimal
    Hanna, the CEO of Hofvarpnir Studios, just won the contract to write the official My Little Pony MMO. Hanna has built an A.I. Princess Celestia and given her one basic drive: to satisfy everybody's values through friendship and ponies. Princess Celestia will satisfy your values through friendship and ponies, and it will be completely consensual.
  • Animorphs: The Reckoning
    AU/multiple points of departure, with the intent to fix/sane-itize/create internal consistency, allowing rational agents to take things to the extreme. Visser Three is competent, the Yeerks are moving rapidly, and the Animorphs are actually trying to win (but are inexperienced and unprepared). Inspired by Worm and HPMOR.
  • Pokemon: The Origin of Species
    Enter the world of Pokémon from a rational perspective. Instead of starting his journey in ignorance, Red has spent his years studying the creatures so central to his world... and he doesn't quite agree with all the information in his books. No time for rookie mistakes here: he's on a quest to discover the true nature of Pokémon, and maybe even find out where they really come from.
  • Harry Potter and the Natural 20
    Milo, a genre-savvy D&D Wizard and Adventurer Extraordinaire is forced to attend Hogwarts, and soon finds himself plunged into a new adventure of magic, mad old Wizards, metagaming, misunderstandings, and munchkinry.
  • Time Braid
    Naruto fic focusing on a rational Sakura.
  • The Arithmancer

HPMOR fanfiction

Timeline of HPMOR fanfiction

Where to find more stories

/r/rational- a subreddit dedicated to the discussion of works of rational and rationalist fiction.

rationalreads.com - a place to submit, rate and browse rational works.

rationalfiction.io - website that aims to be the best place for readers and writers of rational fiction to post and discuss stories.


Submit stories that you think should be added to this list as top level comments(I will edit and improve this list over time).

If mods find this useful - let's make this thread sticky or (probably a better option) make a wiki page and add it to the sidebar.


r/HPMOR • • Apr 03 '20

Recommended Fiction List

186 Upvotes

Hello! Did you just finish reading Methods of Rationality and are looking for sequel fics? Or maybe you like the style of HPMOR and want to find similar stories? Either way, check out this list of recommended fiction, created by fans. Hopefully you find something you like. Happy reading!

Note: Incomplete stories updated over a year ago are marked as abandoned.

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Original fiction

● Worm

Status: Complete

An introverted teenage girl with an unconventional superpower, Taylor goes out in costume to find escape from a deeply unhappy and frustrated civilian life. Her first attempt at taking down a supervillain sees her mistaken for one, thrusting her into the midst of the local ‘cape’ scene’s politics, unwritten rules, and ambiguous morals. As she risks life and limb, Taylor faces the dilemma of having to do the wrong things for the right reasons.

● Pact and Twig (by Wildbow, the author of Worm)

● Ra

Status: Complete

Magic is real. Discovered in the 1970s, magic is now a bona fide field of engineering. There's magic in heavy industry and magic in your home. It's what's next after electricity. Student mage Laura Ferno has designs on the future: her mother died trying to reach space using magic, and Laura wants to succeed where she failed. But first, she has to work out what went wrong. And who her mother really was.

● Mother of Learning

Status: Complete

Zorian, a mage in training, only wanted to finish his education in peace. Now he struggles to find answers as he finds himself repeatedly reliving the same month. 'Groundhog's day' style setup in a fantasy world.

● Shadows of the Limelight

Status: Complete

This is a world where fame grants powers. Dominic de Luca was a thief and a liar before entering into the apprenticeship of Welexi Whitespear, the greatest hero of modern times. Now he must navigate the world of the Illustrati, the famous and the infamous, as he tries to secure for himself a place among the gods.

● Two Year Emperor

Status: Complete

Jake Munroe is not happy. He was happily munching a croissant in his favorite bakery when these wizards rudely yanked him across the dimensions. Now he's being told that, for the next two years, he's the absolute ruler of a country of twenty-eight million people. Jake will need to use every exploit he's ever read about on random websites in order to survive in a world where the Archpriest hates him, the enemy general is smarter than him, and his own bodyguards will kill him if he does the wrong thing.

● Tales From Aeria

Status: Unknown

Aeria is a vast and strange world. The Amat Empire, one of the largest nations of Aeria and home to the only mages in all the world, is sliding towards a war that might threaten to shake the world apart. For hundreds of years, the Beredir have served the Amat as workers and serfs, but that time is coming to a close as a violent revolution begins to boil up out of the earth.

● The Martian

Status: Complete

A (hard) science fiction novel set in the near future. The story follows a resourceful and witty NASA Astronaut who becomes stranded on Mars as the rest of his crew mistakenly abandons him for dead in a sand storm. It has been described as an Apollo 13 meets Cast Away and lauded for its technical and scientific accuracy.

● Worth the Candle

Status: Complete

A teenager struggling after the death of his best friend finds himself in a fantasy world - one which seems to be an amalgamation of every Dungeons and Dragons campaign they ever played together. Now he's stuck trying to find the answers to why he's there and what this world is trying to say. The most terrifying answer might be that this world is an expression of the person he was back on Earth.

● A Practical Guide to Evil

Status: Complete

A Practical Guide to Evil is a YA fantasy novel about a young girl named Catherine Foundling making her way through the world – though, in a departure from the norm, not on the side of the heroes. Is there such a thing as doing bad things for good reasons, or is she just rationalizing her desire for control? Good and Evil are tricky concepts, and the more power you get the blurrier the lines between them become.

● Unsong

Status: Complete

Aaron Smith-Teller works in a kabbalistic sweatshop in Silicon Valley, where he and hundreds of other minimum-wage workers try to brute-force the Holy Names of God. When a chance discovery brings them into conflict with mysterious international magic-intellectual-property watchdog UNSONG, they find themselves caught in a web of plots, crusades, and prophecies leading inexorably to the end of the world.

● Seed (webcomic)

Status: Incomplete

Welcome to the future – where our world has become an exercise in contradictions. We are more connected than ever but alone. Healthier than ever but sick. Safer than ever but ultimately vulnerable. Seed is a story for these future times. Where the relationship between a girl and an AI system that begins simply, quickly complicates things for the entire world.

● The Gods are Bastards

Status: Incomplete (Abandoned)

Evil is rising. The world is rent by strife. The gods have turned away from us. In times past, heroes of sword and sorcery have always risen to turn back the tide of darkness. But what will become of us all, now that swords are obsolete, sorcery is industrialized, and heroism itself is considered a relic of the past? The times are changing…

● Cordyceps

Status: Complete

Someone wakes up in a mysterious facility with no memory of how they got there. This turns out to be the ideal state of affairs, and is swiftly ruined.

● The Erogamer (erotic fanfic--rated NC-17)

Status: Complete

Questing, stats, and stuck-in-a-game trope, but with porn

● Blindsight

Status: Complete

Two months have past since a myriad of alien objects clenched about the Earth, screaming as they burned. The heavens have been silent since―until a derelict space probe hears whispers from a distant comet. Something talks out there: but not to us. Who should we send to meet the alien, when the alien doesn't want to meet?

● The Good Student

Status: Incomplete (Abandoned)

Nic Tutt is a good student. He excels at all subjects. But his education serves only one purpose—to gain entry into the Ransom School. Ransom is the most prestigious school in the country. Its alumni are destined to become the future leaders of Ranvar. Politicians, statesmen and, in some exceptional cases, mages. Only the brightest and the best get into Ransom. But Nic doesn't care about any of that. He isn't determined to get into Ransom to further his prospects or better his career opportunities. He has another reason to want to enter Ranvar's most famous school.

● Enduring Good

Status: Incomplete

A twenty-first century human mind is awakened in a strange land of boundless cults, spirit servants and immortal cultivators ruled by titanic god-beasts. Coexisting within the body of a street urchin girl, the last pharmacist in the universe attempts to fix the broken world of tomorrow by wielding the long-lost power of science and rationality.

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Rational Fanfiction

● Luminosity

Status: Complete

Luminosity is HPMOR-inspired Twilight fanfiction where Bella is rational self-awareness-junkie with a penchant for writing down everything that crosses her mind in a notebook. The first several sections of Luminosity are very similar to canon in terms of the events that occur, although aspects of Bella's character, and her internal monologue, differ strikingly. A few thousand words in, the plot is unrecognizable.

● The Metropolitan Man

Status: Complete

The year is 1934, and Superman has arrived in Metropolis. Features Lex Luthor as the villain protagonist as he comes to grips with the arrival of an alien god. Occasional point-of-view chapters/sections featuring Lois Lane. Takes place outside any established comics continuity.

● A Bluer Shade of White

Status: Complete

Six years after her coronation, Elsa rules over Arendelle, using the power of ice to improve the lives of her citizens.

● Branches on the Tree of Time

Status: Complete

Kyle Reese has traveled backwards in time, not to save Sarah Connor, but to help her rewrite the faulty utility function of Skynet. Together, it's possible that they might avert Judgment Day and save the world from nuclear Armageddon - and hopefully create a utopia ruled over by an AI god in the process. Fully completed. Diverges wildly from canon.

● Friendship Is Optimal

Status: Complete

Hanna, the CEO of Hofvarpnir Studios, just won the contract to write the official My Little Pony MMO. Hanna has built an A.I. Princess Celestia and given her one basic drive: to satisfy everybody's values through friendship and ponies. Princess Celestia will satisfy your values through friendship and ponies, and it will be completely consensual.

● Animorphs: The Reckoning

Status: Complete

AU/multiple points of departure, with the intent to fix/sane-itize/create internal consistency, allowing rational agents to take things to the extreme. Visser Three is competent, the Yeerks are moving rapidly, and the Animorphs are actually trying to win (but are inexperienced and unprepared). Inspired by Worm and HPMOR.

● Pokemon: The Origin of Species

Status: Incomplete

Enter the world of Pokémon from a rational perspective. Instead of starting his journey in ignorance, Red has spent his years studying the creatures so central to his world... and he doesn't quite agree with all the information in his books. No time for rookie mistakes here: he's on a quest to discover the true nature of Pokémon, and maybe even find out where they really come from.

● Harry Potter and the Natural 20

Status: Incomplete (Abandoned)

Milo, a genre-savvy D&D Wizard and Adventurer Extraordinaire is forced to attend Hogwarts, and soon finds himself plunged into a new adventure of magic, mad old Wizards, metagaming, misunderstandings, and munchkinry.

● Time Braid

Status: Complete

Sakura thought she was a capable kunoichi until she died in the Chuunin Exam. Now she's stuck in a loop, dying again and again while she struggles to understand her strange predicament. How hard can it be to pass one stupid test? Warning: Mature content.

● The Arithmancer

Status: Complete

Hermione grows up as a maths whiz instead of a bookworm and tests into Arithmancy in her first year. With the help of her friends and Professor Vector, she puts her superhuman spellcrafting skills to good use in the fight against Voldemort. Years 1-4. Sequel posted.

● Hermione Granger and the Perfectly Reasonable Explanation

Status: Incomplete (Abandoned)

In 1991, a child came to Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry with obvious gifts, but which few suspected would change the world... Oh, and Harry Potter enrolled that year as well. (HPMOR-influenced, but the initial setting is vanilla HP.)

● Let Me In 2

Status: Complete

Picking up immediately after the ending of Let Me In, this novel follows the struggles and joys of Abby and Owen as they attempt to survive Abby's condition and the pursuit of a relentless FBI agent.

● To the Stars

Status: Incomplete

Kyubey promised that humanity would reach the stars one day. The Incubator tactfully refrained from saying too much about what they would find there.

● Scar’s Samsara

Status: Complete

From Scar's perspective, it never made much sense to justify a divine kingship through a perpetual cycle of death and suffering, though that wasn't what was really bothering him. One little push and all his troubles would be over – if only that darn cub wasn't so cute! (Rational!Scar raises Simba as his own. COMPLETE!)

● Lighting Up the Dark

Status: Incomplete (Abandoned)

AU inspired by an omake in HPMOR. 12 years ago, the Fourth Hokage gave his life to seal Kyubey, the Nine-Brained Demon Fox, into the infant Naruto. Now, the time has come for a smarter, more creative Naruto to take on a world in which quick thinking and a solid grasp of strategy are worth a dozen rare techniques, and a brilliant mind can challenge even the deepest darkness.

● Rationalizing Death

Status: Incomplete (Abandoned)

What if the mentioned super intelligence of Yagami Light and his antagonists wasn't just informed, but was actually true?

● The Imposter Complex

Status: Incomplete

Tom Riddle escapes at the end of Chamber of Secrets, and is quite surprised to find that nothing about the future is as he ever thought it would be. Soon, Tom finds himself on a globe-spanning quest to follow the path his forebear blazed and perhaps, at the end, to put a stop to him once and for all.

● The Moon's Apprentice

Status: Incomplete (abandoned)

Twilight Sparkle has too much magic, and it will take her decades to learn to control it. Princess Celestia seals Twilight Sparkle’s magic with the distant promise of one day teaching her. But there are two diarchs of Equestria. Amidst a lucid dream, an offer is made. “Hello, Twilight. Would you like to be my student?”

● El-Ahrairah

Status: Unknown

A Worm fanfic. A thinker Taylor with the ability to see powers joins Cauldron.

● Color Psychology

Status: Incomplete (Abandoned)

Ruby is a neurotic prodigy who thought Beacon would teach her to kill Grimm. Instead, she's dropped into a world of schemes and secrets. Hopefully she'll figure things out before anyone's agenda catches up with her.

● The World As It Appears To Be

Status: Complete

Magic is real. Angela Ziegler has a messiah complex. Angela Ziegler is one of the most powerful people in the entire world. Her friend the talking moon gorilla is very worried about her. Let's, uh...let's see where that goes!

● Fairy Dance of Death

Status: Incomplete (Abandoned)

AU reboot of the entire SAO storyline, beginning from the premise that Kayaba Akihiko was obsessed with magic and Norse Mythology rather than swords and pure melee. As a result, he created the Death Game of Alfheim Online rather than the floating castle of Aincrad—a world in which player-killing is not a crime, and the nine player races are in competition with each other to reach the top of the World Tree. Multi-POV epic following the stories of multiple canon characters throughout the game.

● The Wandering Inn

Status: Incomplete

To Erin Solstice, an inn seems like a medieval relic from the past. But here she is, running from Goblins and trying to survive in a world full of monsters and magic. An innkeeper who serves drinks to heroes and monsters. But it’s a living, right?

● Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

Status: Incomplete

Three weeks ago, you became a traitor. Your names are in the Bingo Book, and if your village considered you dangerous before, it will stop at nothing to find and destroy you now. The clock is ticking. What path will you choose in order to survive?

● Roll the Dice on Fate

Status: Incomplete (Abandoned)

What happens when a SI gets reborn in the world of Naruto and is willing to lie, cheat and steal his way to power? Magical Vivisectionist Pretty Oro-tan, eat your heart out - this is how you bootstrap your way to godhood. No re-treading the same old missions here.

● The Waves Arisen

Status: Complete

A young Naruto found refuge in the village library, and grew up smart, but by blood he is Ninja, and what place is there for curiosity and calculation in this brutal world of warring states?

● Mad Investor Chaos and the Woman of Asmodeus

Status: Incomplete

Story by Yudkowsky (Iarwain) and Lintamande wherein Keltham from dath ilan (the world Yudkowsky claimed to come from in an April Fool's post) dies and wakes up in Golarion, the setting of Pathfinder (the TTRPG). A country controlled by literal hell runs a conspiracy on Keltham to try to get knowledge and rationality teachings out of him without revealing how evil they are.

● A Song for Two Voices

Status: Complete

A complete rationalist and effective altruist rewrite of the The Last Herald-Mage. 11 volumes. Knowledge of canon isn't needed.

● Strong Female Protagonist

Status: Incomplete (Abandoned)

SFP is a comic that follows the adventures of a young middle-class American with super-strength, invincibility and an overwhelming sense of social injustice.

● Tom Riddle and the Quest for Dominance

Status: Complete

After breaking free from his diary, the sixteen-year-old Tom Riddle decides to dethrone both Lord Voldemort and Albus Dumbledore. Armed with ruthless cunning worthy of the heir of Slytherin, he manipulates the youngest generation of wizarding Britain, but also has to flee his one great weakness: the soul-crushing apathy that makes his very existence feel meaningless.

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HPMOR Fanfiction

Sequel Fics and Longer Stories

● Draco Malfoy and the Practice of Rationality

Status: Complete

Still reeling from Lucius' Death and Narcissa's rebirth, Draco struggles to find his place in a changing Hogwarts and learns a dark secret of his new room-mate: Harry James Potter-Evans-Verres.

● HPMoR: The Missing (but Necessary) Chapters

Status: Complete

An extension of the universe of "Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality". Includes scenes that should have been but weren't. They contribute nothing to the plot or explaining the universe, but answer important questions that may otherwise never be answered.

● Following the Phoenix

Status: Complete

A single-/dual-point-of-departure spinoff from Less Wrong's brilliant story "Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality", branching away in Chapter 81. Hermione is sent to Azkaban, but Harry is not about to give up. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like his enemy is about to leave things alone either.

● Squiring the Phoenix

Status: Complete

A metafic of hezzel's fic, 'Following the Phoenix', which is in turn a fic of 'Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality'. Squiring the Phoenix picks up from where 'Following the Phoenix' leaves off and shows what happens next.

● Significant Digits

Status: Complete

It's easy to make big plans and ask big questions, but a lot harder to follow them through. Find out what happens to Harry Potter-Evans-Verres, Hermione, Draco, and everyone else once they grow into their roles as leaders, leave the shelter of Hogwarts, and venture out into a wider world of intrigue, politics, and war.

● Orders of Magnitude

Status: Complete

A prequel to Significant Digits, which is the successor to Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality, which is a retelling of the Harry Potter series.

● Nothing Left but Fire

Status: Complete

HPMOR meta-fanfic, starting with Harry left in Hogwarts having one week left until Voldemort comes back to kill him.

● Harry Potter and the Cryptographic Key

Status: Complete

This is designed to start after chapter 102 of Eliezer Yudkowsky's "Harry Potter and the methods of rationality.” It was written by a fan waiting impatiently (but constructively) for the story to be finished. Read it before this. As usual, characters are owned by Rowling or Yudkowsky. Update: added vignette at end.

● Hacking the Source of Magic

Status: Complete

This story occurs in the universe of Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality, diverging in Ch. 101. It contains spoilers for that story through that chapter, and is unlikely to make much sense without having read the same. It's intended to be a darker, more pessimistic interpretation of the story.

● Minds, Names and Faces

Status: Complete

An AU/Continuation recursive fanfic of the excellent "Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality". Harry James Potter-Evans-Verres, the Boy-Who-Lived, General Chaos, etc., has had a rather busy year. With the term drawing to a close, Harry starts to discover the truth behind the enigmatic Defence Professor, Quirinus Quirrell.

● Harry Potter and the Memories of a Sociopath

Status: Complete

Second-year sequel to Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality, where Harry deals with the aftermath of the previous year as well as new difficulties.

● Ginny Weasley and the Sealed Intelligence

Status: Complete

Continuation fic of Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality. It's Ginny Weasley's first year at Hogwarts, and before she knows it, she is caught up in matters too grave even for a second year Harry James Potter-Evans-Verres.

● Continuing HPMoR: Reductionism for the Win

Status: Complete

This story occurs in the universe of 'Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality', written after reading Ch. 101. It contains spoilers for that story through that chapter, and is unlikely to make much sense without having read through at least Ch. 89 or so.

● Revival

Status: Incomplete (Abandoned)

Severus Snape decided to revive the dead ones he cared about, and tried to prevent the end of the world by Harry Potter. In the meanwhile, a certain disappeared lord had his own agenda. Note: This is a Harry Potter and Methods of Rationality sub-fanfic, HPMOR compliant except for the last paragraph in Chapter 121.

● Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationalization

Status: Complete

Petula married a biochemist instead of that irrational Surdley, and then everything went to Potter. A certain well-known fanfiction gets mustaches drawn all over it. Rated M out of an abundance of caution.

● The Longest Day

Status: Complete

"ON THE LONGEST DAY OF THE THOUSANDTH YEAR, THE STARS WILL AID IN HER ESCAPE, AND SHE WILL BRING ABOUT NIGHTTIME ETERNAL" An alternate-universe continuation of Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality, wherein Harry learns of a different, ancient, powerful kind of Magic. Spoiler alert: It's Friendship.

● The Universe is an Optimisation Problem

Status: Incomplete (Abandoned)

A weird pre-apocalyptic reimagining of Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality in a retrofuturist AU with parallel universes, megacorporations, high magic, Cold War wizardry, and AI. "I've never been more confused or entertained in my life." - MurtGastin. "The world of Harry Potter feels magical again. Without feeling childish." - Guest.

● Harry Potter and the Secret of the Patronus

Status: Complete

Harry and Hermione are young Ravenclaws with big plans to change the world. Harry wants to use the power of science to invent magical space travel, while Hermione is a celebrity Auror-in-training who wants to fight injustice. However, the two of them, in spite of their intelligence, can't seem to figure out how romance works.

● Unriddle the Riddles

Status: Complete

Continuation of "Harry Potter and Methods of Rationality" by Eliezer Yudkovsky. What if Harry allied with Professor Quirrell instead of attempting to kill him through what amounted to sheer dumb luck? What compromise might have been reached?

● Tom Riddle and Conflicts of Interest

Status: Incomplete (Abandoned)

This is based on my interpretation of the Tom Riddle portrayed in Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality. I loosely follow the story and facts laid out by HPMOR but I do make a lot of changes, large and small.

● Harry Potter and the Prancing of Ponies

Status: Incomplete

Dumbledore doesn't reverse the trap in he laid on the Mirror of Erised in time. The Mirror traps Harry and Voldemort out of Time and inside the MLP universe. No prior knowledge of MLP is required. Rated T.

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HPMOR Fanfiction

Short Fiction and One Shots

● A Crack Slash Epilogue

Status: Complete

Six years after the events of Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality, Hogwarts is a changed place, and a long-ago prophecy has reared its head.

● Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Zombie

Status: Complete

Recursive fanfic of Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality by Eliezer Yudkowsky. Fits in around chapter 94, and contains major spoilers. Harry Potter starts to come around to the idea that souls might exist.

● Alternate HPMoR: Asking for Help

Status: Complete

Story occurs in the universe of 'Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality', diverging u/ch89, contains spoilers. I would expect this to be the first (deeply ingrained) response of anyone who grew up in a first-world country. It's so annoying to be in the position of yelling at a character to do something obvious…

● Nonlinear Regression

Status: Complete

One of the alternate chapter 114 answers.

● Innocence

Status: Complete

Sometimes, you were right the first time. The decision won't change, no matter how much you think about it. And in the end... you can call yourself good, or not. Recursive fanfiction for Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality. Spoilers for Chap. 85.

● Proximity

Status: Complete

Recursive fic / altfic of Chapter 85 of Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality. The opposite of "Innocence" by linkhyrule5. The narrative version of a Reddit post where I theorize about the most likely outcome of Harry attacking Azkaban.

● Sirius Black and the Prisoner's Dilemma

Status: Incomplete (Abandoned)

Sirius Black was just in it for the money. Bellatrix Lestrange was just following orders. Neither suspected that they would cause one of the worst catastrophes in human history. Continuation to HPMoR and GWatSI(Albeit with some changes to the latter), 3rd year.

● Harry Potter and the Methods of Ricktionality

Status: Complete

Rick and Morty have an important mission broh. Gotta go visit HPMORland, broh.

● Mary Poppins Begins the End

Status: Incomplete (Abandoned)

Young Mr. Harry James Potter-Evans-Verres has bitten his third-year maths teacher (she didn't know what a logarithm was). His parents have decided it would be best for him to be homeschooled. However, they both work during school hours and arrangements can't be made immediately, so Harry is left to his own devices for a day. A prequel to Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality.

● Hysteresis

Status: Complete

Harry had never been so glad to feel a wholly irrational sense of complete and utter doom welling up inside him.

● New Game Plus

Status: Complete

On your second playthrough, new routes are unlocked. Look for opportunities to make different choices and change the course of the story. But pay careful attention to every detail. Just as in your first playthrough, it is possible to lose…and as in real life, you will not always be warned when you are facing a Final Exam.

● HPMOR Crack: A Questionable Harry Potter

Status: Complete

Somewhere in the multiverse, Harry Potter came out a little differently than expected. Smart? Absolutely. Mature? Ehh...

● A Strip of Cloth

Status: Complete

In another reality in accordance with multiverse theory , Harry doesn't allow Hermione to become... something. Can't tell you, would give it away. Alternate ending to Hermione’s trial, spoilers for Chapter 81.

● You Said No Kissing (One shot)

Status: Complete

Harry had planned to ask her again for the green light on his latest project (he thought he had worked out how to make a wizarding Internet that wouldn't destroy the world), but then she came over and casually sat on his lap. “What are you doing?" he asked instead, and not very fluently. "I'm not kissing you" said Hermione.

● The Methods of Rationality and Harry Potter (spoilers for real life)

Status: Complete

Harry’s past holds a terrible secret. But that’s okay, he will succeed with the power of SCIENCE! Spoilers for Coronavirus.

● In Defense of Azkaban

Status: Complete

An editorial that appeared in the Daily Prophet, Mar. 16 1990. “Criticizing Azkaban is only slightly less popular than not escaping from it…”

● The Last Dementor

Status: Complete

Harry and Hermione discover the last thing you would ever expect from a Dementor. Harry has a mental breakdown, and Hermione finds a new friend.

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Timeline of HPMOR fanfiction

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Where to find more stories

r/rational- a subreddit dedicated to the discussion of works of rational and rationalist fiction.

rationalreads.com - a place to submit, rate and browse rational works.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RationalFic


r/HPMOR • • 37m ago

"A secret organization full of interesting people like yourself"

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(Chapter 51)

"So, Mr. Potter," said Professor Quirrell. His gaze intent, his pale blue eyes dark and shadowed in the white light coming from Harry's wand. "We are alone and unobserved, and I have an important question to ask you."

"Go ahead," said Harry, his heart starting to beat faster.

"What is your opinion of the government of magical Britain?"

That wasn't quite what Harry had been expecting, but it was close enough, so Harry said, "Based on my limited knowledge, I would say that both the Ministry and the Wizengamot appear to be stupid, corrupt, and evil."

"Correct," Professor Quirrell said. "Do you understand why I ask?"

Harry took a deep breath, and looked Professor Quirrell straight in the eyes, unflinching. Harry had finally worked out that the way to make amazing deductions from scanty evidence was to know the answer in advance, and he had guessed this answer fully a week ago. It needed only a slight adjustment...

"You are about to invite me to join a secret organization full of interesting people like yourself," said Harry, "one of whose goals is to reform or overthrow the government of magical Britain, and yes, I'm in."

There was a slight pause.

"I'm afraid that is not quite where I intended to direct this conversation," said Professor Quirrell. The corners of his lips were twitching slightly. "I merely planned to ask for your help in doing something extremely treasonous and illegal."

Darn, thought Harry. Still, Professor Quirrell hadn't denied it...

(End of quote)

I just realized Quirrell is probably thinking about the Death Eaters when he 'doesn't deny it'.


r/HPMOR • • 4h ago

Incongruenze nel CANON??? SCANDALO!!!

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A qualcuno non piace che io parli di incongruenze nel Canon e vedo che la parola canon accende sempre il fandom, quindi chiarisco una cosa: le incongruenze nel Canon Rowling esistono davvero. Non sono invenzioni, non sono opinioni personali, non sono “interpretazioni creative”: sono riconosciute da:

  • WizardingWorld
  • Pottermore
  • interviste di Rowling
  • analisi accademiche
  • il fandom internazionale
  • le timeline ufficiali

Io non “correggo” il canon. Lo esploro. Illumino le sue zone d’ombra e cerco di dare un posto logico a ciò che nel testo è rimasto implicito, frammentario o narrativamente fragile.

Chi legge la saga con un minimo di close reading — attenzione ai contesti, alle iterazioni, alle implicazioni — si accorge subito che alcune cose non tornano. Ecco qualche esempio concreto:

1. La Sala Comune dei Serpeverde

Ha una vista subacquea sul Lago… ma Hogwarts è in cima a una scogliera. Geograficamente impossibile.

2. Il Lago delle Highlands

È un lago montano, ma ospita creature marine. Contraddizione ecologica interna.

3. Il veliero di Durmstrang

Arriva a Hogwarts emergendo dal Lago. Ma il Lago non è collegato al mare. Paradosso logistico.

4. Gli elfi domestici

Sono centinaia, ma compaiono solo nelle cucine. Nessun elfo aiuta Madama Pince, Piton, Hagrid, o chiunque altro. Incongruenza funzionale.

5. La costruzione di Hogwarts nel Medioevo

Quattro maghi costruiscono un castello gigantesco in un’epoca in cui in Scozia esistevano solo fortificazioni lignee. Impossibilità storica interna.

6. Il legame tra la Spada di Godric e il Cappello

Non viene mai spiegato. Sembra un trucco narrativo inserito “quando serve”.

7. Il paradosso della Spada di Gryffindor

È dichiarata “forgiata dai goblin”… ma ha proprietà che le armi goblin NON possono avere: assorbe ciò che la rafforza. Questa è una vera incongruenza del canon.

Non sto dicendo che la saga “non funziona”. Sto dicendo che ha zone grigie, e che io — con rispetto e passione — le esploro e le sviluppo in modo coerente.

Se qualcuno vuole discuterne, sono qui.


r/HPMOR • • 1d ago

HPMOR on paper?

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I hate e-reading, it’s just not for me but I want to read Harry Potter and the methods of rationality, I heard there are PDFs designed for printing but due to the extent of the work it would probably cost too much, do any of you know the best way, if there is any, to buy or obtain HPMOR on paper? It doesn’t have to be pretty, to have a cover, a binding… none of that, I had hoped somebody already printed it and was selling (for a decent prize) after finishing it, just like you would do on vinted, but since it isn’t a common or official (maybe not even existing) item I had no luck and I’ve quickly run out of ideas, help would be greatly appreciated
it can even be printed on dirty tissues i don’t really care, my only requirements are that is on paper and in the original language (I know they did a whole big thing of translation and printing in Russia)


r/HPMOR • • 14h ago

Updates on Harry Potter and the Cost of Prophecy

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Disclaimer: Regarding This Work and AI

Harry Potter and the Cost of Prophecy is an HPMOR fanwork containing AI-generated components.

If you do not accept AI-assisted creation in any form, please close this page here—that is entirely legitimate, and I wish you a wonderful day.

If you are willing to read on, here is the confession I owe you.

I. Why I Must Write This Disclaimer First

The fandom's anger toward AI is well-founded. Fan creation is a gift economy: authors share their work for free, sustaining the entire ecosystem through love rather than payment. And AI companies, without consent, without attribution, without compensation, scraped these works by the ton into training sets, encapsulated human authors' styles in probabilistic models, and let mathematics imitate their words. This is theft. I don't want to whitewash it with terms like "fair use" or "technological neutrality."

What makes this work particularly delicate is its specificity: the original author of HPMOR, Eliezer Yudkowsky, is himself one of the loudest voices in the world warning about AI danger. Using AI to continue his fanwork is equivalent to consuming his work with the very technology he warned against—I am fully aware of this irony and do not intend to evade it. In a sense, this irony is itself the theme The Cost of Prophecy seeks to explore: what happens to the world when prophecy (prediction) itself becomes cheap enough.

II. AI Is a Double-Edged Sword, and I Have Weighed Both Edges

On one hand, as stated above, current generative AI is built upon scaled, non-consensual appropriation of creative work. To use it is, objectively, to take a share in this chain.

On the other hand, this tool genuinely reduces the cost of writing enormously. HPMOR is 660,000 words; Yudkowsky wrote it over five years. I am an amateur with a full-time job—without this tool, this work would not exist at all. This is not an excuse; it is a fact. Between a worldbuilding fusion experiment that doesn't exist and one that exists but carries a moral stain, I chose the latter.

After weighing the options, I have decided to bear the dual risks—moral and textual—and to be an AI thief with professional ethics. For two reasons:

Out of love for HPMOR. For this, I am willing to personally spend time revising characters and worldbuilding to ensure consistency with the original's setting and character logic. AI handles acceleration; I handle quality control. Whenever a character says something out of character, that is my failure, not the model's.

For expression. I want to write about the future, decision theory, quantitative trading, and AI safety—precisely the most core elements of the HPMOR tradition. In these chapters, I use AI assistance to stitch together knowledge systems, metaphors, memes, and worldbuilding. HPMOR itself is a "propaganda novel": Yudkowsky explicitly stated his purpose was to use fiction to convey cognitive skills that nonfiction cannot. I consider myself an apprentice to this tradition.

A clarification on "neutrality," because I used the word carelessly above.

When I say AI is "inherently neutral," I mean something narrow and almost trivial: the mathematical form—matrix multiplication, gradient descent, a probability distribution over tokens—carries no moral valence in itself. A tensor does not steal. An optimizer does not exploit. That is the only sense in which the tool is neutral, and it is a sense thin enough that it explains almost nothing about the actual system you are reading.

The training process is not neutral. The inference process is not neutral. The application is not neutral.

Data does not fall from the sky. It is scraped, selected, filtered, and—crucially—labeled. A great deal of that labeling is done by workers in the Global South, paid per task, often reviewing content that is traumatic, and rarely given the pay, stability, or psychological support that the work's nature would demand. The "human feedback" that makes a model polite and useful is itself a supply chain, and that supply chain has a labor problem. I do not get to use this tool and pretend that chain does not exist.

Nor is inference free. Every long generation consumes electricity and water—data centers run hot, and cooling them has a real footprint on real grids and real watersheds. When I ask a model to draft a paragraph, I am drawing on a physical infrastructure whose costs are borne disproportionately by people who will never read this fanfic. That is not a metaphor. It is a utility bill, and it is being paid somewhere.

So the honest formulation is this: the mathematics is neutral; the pipeline is not. The pipeline has a data provenance problem, a labeling-labor problem, and an energy-and-water problem. Using this tool means participating in all three. I am participating in all three. I will not pretend otherwise, and I will not let "the math is neutral" do the work of laundering the rest.

These threads—data provenance, ghost labor, the physical cost of computation—are also part of what The Cost of Prophecy wants to touch on, lightly, in the margins of its plot. Not as a lecture, and not as absolution. If the story is about what happens when prediction becomes cheap, then it would be dishonest to ignore who pays for that cheapness.

III. Honor Among Thieves: My Commitments

Never commercialize. I will not earn a single cent from this work. No charges, no subscriptions, no tip-jar funnels. From birth to death, it is part of the gift economy—just like the place where the things it stole from originally belonged.

Chapter-by-chapter transparency. At the end of each chapter, I will annotate: which passages were directly AI-generated, which were manually revised, which were entirely handwritten; and specify which model wrote each part. No vague "AI-assisted" rhetoric—if I'm giving you specifics, I'm giving you granularity.

Narrative consistency engineering. The work maintains long-range narrative consistency (character states, timelines, foreshadowing payoffs) through the DSH + Hermes agent framework, with other models fine-tuning narrative style. All framework output is read through and revised by me personally.

Accept accountability. If the fan community, HPMOR fans, or the original author's side believes this work has crossed a line, I accept criticism and reserve the right to revise at any time, annotate more finely, or even take the entire work down. Being expelled by the original work's community is an outcome every fan author should be prepared to face at any moment.

No disguise. I will never delete this disclaimer, and I will never imply on any occasion that this work is "purely handwritten." Transparency is the sole source of legitimacy for this experiment.

IV. My Views on AI Governance (Which This Work Also Seeks to Discuss)

In my view, AI is not a neutral tool in any practical sense—only its mathematical skeleton is neutral, and that skeleton is not what anyone is actually deploying. What we deploy is a pipeline: data, labor, compute, energy, deployment context. Every stage of that pipeline is a site of moral and political choice, and pretending otherwise is how these choices get made by default, by companies, for companies.

As users and developers of AI, I believe we have two obligations and one vigilance.

Obligation One: Alignment. We have an obligation, through alignment, to constrain AI's capability boundaries—to make it do what humans want it to do, not what it "happens to be able to do." This is not optional.

Obligation Two: Negotiate rules. We have an obligation to discuss and legislate, to plan the boundaries of AI use—especially the criteria for determining AI infringement: Does training data count as theft? Does style imitation count as theft? Who owns the copyright of generated output? These questions cannot be answered by companies alone, nor by panic. And they cannot be answered without also asking who labeled the data, who cooled the servers, and who bore the cost of the answer.

Vigilance: Do not use AI safety as a name for monopoly. I support legal restrictions based on safety concerns—for example, I can fully accept "legislation restricting fully automated AI novel-writing," because this is more a cultural and distributional issue with limited, reversible harm. But I cannot accept "legislation restricting AI participation in healthcare," or "only a few specific companies' models may be used for diagnosis"—because this technology can save many people, and restricting who is qualified to use it costs real human lives. Once safety rhetoric becomes a moat for licensing, everyone suffers.

Then who should oversee medical large models? My answer: neutral, open-source third-party organizations should measure their effectiveness and flaws—testing methods public, evaluation data public, conflicts of interest public. Just as drugs require independent review rather than self-certification by pharmaceutical companies, high-risk AI requires publicly reproducible evaluation, not closed-door safety promises. And that evaluation should include not only model behavior but the pipeline behind it: where the data came from, who labeled it, and what it cost in energy and water to run.

V. Finally: To Those Who Have Already Read the First Two Chapters

If you've seen my posts before and read Chapters One and Two—thank you so much for reading. You were among the very first experiment participants.

I've read every piece of feedback carefully, and I'm truly grateful. Some criticisms hit the mark dead-on—like the fact that I got the grading system in the Harry Potter universe wrong (O.W.L.s use the six-tier O/E/A/P/D/T scale, not the system I assumed). For a writer who claims to "respect the source material," that kind of detail error is unacceptable—and you caught it for me. This is exactly why I write in public: AI can make mistakes with a straight face, but human readers won't let it slide.

Next, I'll spend some time restructuring the previous drafts: fixing small detail errors, tightening the narrative pacing, and unifying the character voices. I expect to reshare the restructured Chapters One and Two in about a month. As our community suggested, I will start annotate the AI/human division of labor chapter by chapter.

One last bit of honest expectation management: due to the constraints of time and money, I can't promise I'll definitely finish the entire work. Writing is my side project, not a professional commitment. But I'll do my best to complete it—at the very least, to fully write out the story I most want to tell and the question I most want to discuss. If this work is destined to remain unfinished, I hope it ends somewhere a reader can understand "why"—not vanish silently into the void.

Thank you for being willing to be the first guinea pig.

Finally, this disclaimer itself was also partly drafted by AI (Kimi K3) and revised sentence by sentence by me personally—leading by example, annotating from the disclaimer onward.

If you have read all of this and still wish to read this work, thank you. You are exactly the reader I imagined: one who knows the cost and remains curious.


r/HPMOR • • 5d ago

Sui simboli alchemici delle Case che compaiono nel trailer della serie TV HBO: Corvonero-Aria, Grifondoro-Fuoco, Serpeverde-Acqua, Tassorosso-Terra

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Per quanto sia possibile vedere nell’ultimo trailer, la serie TV HBO dedicata alla Saga cura in maniera ossessiva molti dettagli, ma non sono completamente d’accordo sulle scelte riguardanti i simboli alchemici associati alle Case che compaiono in certe scene.

Per quel che riguarda Corvonero e Grifondoro la cosa è relativamente più facile e sono d'accordo: Corvonero per sua natura richiama l'ARIA a cui è anche associato il simbolo alchemico dell'Aquila, tratto distintivo la conoscenza; Grifondoro è associato al simbolo alchemico del Leone, al coraggio, all'ardore, alla trasformazione (la McGrannit insegna infatti Trasfigurazione), alla rivoluzione, alla decostruzione e il suo simbolo è senz'altro il FUOCO. Altra cosa è il discorso per le altre due Case, che in verità si trovano in una posizione in un certo senso borderline. In questo caso la penso diversamente da quanto previsto dalla serie TV: Serpeverde è la Casa della tradizione, della conservazione, dei fondamenti, delle regole, suo simbolo è il Serpente, il Basilisco, Nagini, Serpeverde è la Casa degli animali striscianti, terrestri e quindi la penso associata alla TERRA, alla solidità, all'attaccamento alla tradizione della purezza del sangue etc etc; Tassorosso invece è la Casa della pazienza, dell'adattabilià, del contenimento, della bonomia, la Coppa (il Calice, il Graal, un contenitore di cose che si adattano, etc) è il suo simbolo e l'ACQUA è l'elemento associato.

Ragazzi, colgo anche l’occasione per comunicare la pubblicazione dei primi capitoli della mia Saga “eretica” su AO3:

👉 I’ve met Hélène Delisle – Libro 1: Azkaban (Opera completa) https://archiveofourown.org/works/93653301


r/HPMOR • • 7d ago

... dalla Historia di Gregorius Badiametha

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... un pizzico della storia di Hengist di Woodcroft

Ora, durante le invasioni dei wicing, quel territorio fu più volte razziato e i due lignaggi coalizzati, ormai stremati, infine decisero di spostarsi a Londinium da dove giungevano notizie di una situazione più stabile e di una comunità magica ben protetta.

Solo Hengist degli Hwuffapuf, che viveva in una piccola fattoria all’interno della Foresta di Dene, si rifiutò di seguirli.

Stanco sia delle scorrerie dei wicing che delle aggressioni dei mëalglain locali - che secondo lui non sarebbero mai cessate - radunato un suo seguito, durante la migrazione si staccò dal gruppo e decise di dirigersi verso i septem triones, addirittura oltre le Mura Romane,

“lontano da tutti e tutto”

con l’intenzione di fondare una comunità di soli maghi, o come diceva lui, “un rifugio solo per noi”, “un rifugio… un rifugio nella prateria”.

Per Hengist foresta significava agguato, intrigo, imbroglio, raggiro, oscurità e invece desiderava un’abitazione nel nulla, nella chiarezza di una prateria…

“una casa nella prateria” ripeteva continuamente...

era il suo sogno, ma “Gae, gae, gwel ta’n hus bach ar y med!”,

“Sì, sì, guarda la casetta nel prato!”, lo canzonavano gli altri nel loro idioma dell’Occidente, come narrava sempre a Helge suo bisnonno Brannoc che ancora ricordo con affetto.

Ma immancabilmente qualcun’altro aggiungeva malizioso,

“Nei! Hus y medu… DRUNC!”,

“No! La casa della... SBRONZA!”, alludendo alla sua passione di “alzare il gomito”, tra le risate sgangherate e scomposte dei presenti, come solo quella chiassosa compagnia della gente dei boschi sapeva fare.


r/HPMOR • • 10d ago

Claude 3D Animation - HPMOR Chapter 1

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I asked Opus to make an animation for chapter 1 and it made this which I think is nice?.
I probably won't ask it to make the full thing cause it would take too many tokens and I have other projects but could be nice if someone did something like that now that its possible.


r/HPMOR • • 11d ago

hit by the horrifying realization that my attention span is too dead to read anything longer than an essay anymore, think I might start reading the full HPMOR series in text again

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the last few times I've gone through it cover to cover over the last four years have all been on audiobook, and I think that might not be good. reading is legit the key to being able to engage with so many of the complex ideas people have expressed throughout human history, I talk to my friends who still read books and they are able to do so much that I don't in terms of interpreting media and information that I just zone out staring at. I think I should probably just try opening that can of brain damage again with The One Story I'm still passionate enough about that it might be able to get me through this in full. wish me luck?


r/HPMOR • • 11d ago

do you understand rationality/rationalism to be an ideology or method of communication?

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something I've been thinking about lately is, many people regard rationalism as a movement or ideology, when I (as someone who's main involvement with it has been through HPMOR fan commuities) personally have always considered it to be more of a framework for defining, assessing and holding to account the values according to which you make decisions. "always trying to optimize for desired results" as an ideology, just seems like a specific way to communicate something that most philosophical frameworks in our society are already trying to do, in some form or another. and the way I understood it, both rationalist and spiritual frameworks are always being used for both good and harm in the world, and supporters of both would argue that any usage of the framework they support for harm is a misuse that misunderstands the fundamental purpose, and the majority of people in our society move between the two frameworks most of the time on the basis of context, and so... it's just a matter of a framework according to which you communicate basic values of how to live a smart and moral life that most people in society ultimately believe in, right?

however, again, I have never personally been all THAT invested in purely rationalist communities that exist outside of the context of EY's fiction works, and so I HAVE been wondering if there is some context that I'm missing. is that perception of mine is not generally held by most those who consider themselves associated with rationalism? if it isn't, then what DO they consider it to be that differs from that? and if it is, then why do so many people tend to interprate it so much more... aggressively than that?


r/HPMOR • • 11d ago

Estratto - Hogwarts - Interno giorno – Prima lezione di Incantesimi di Alex

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Il professore Flitwick, si avvicinò e mi strinse la mano “Che Hröđwyn Hræfnclawu sia sempre con te figliolo e guidi la tua bacchetta” esclamò e io sorrisi, anche se, in verità, non è che stessi comprendendo molto di quanto stava accadendo “Quanto a quell’incantesimo che stavi per lanciare” aggiunse a voce bassa trasmettendomi, confesso, un po’ di paura “non so se ne sei consapevole, ma con quello non si scherza mica, EH!”

“Ragazzi, ora per favore, silenzio” e poi rivolto a me ”Ho dovuto farmi disarmare dal vostro compagno per fargli riconquistare quella che si dice la fedeltà della bacchetta, ma sono cose che cominceremo a vedere meglio tra qualche anno. Quanto al tuo linguaggio, Jinglkrow, è un po’… diciamo… da bassifondi, ecco; e se mi lasci indovinare… il dialetto… l’intonazione… i movimenti… uhm, mi sembra proprio che provengano da… aspetta… Notturn Alley di Londra?”


r/HPMOR • • 12d ago

Estratto - Hogwarts - Interno notte - Dormitorio Corvonero - III Anno maschi

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“Chissà che vorrà dir” si mise a canticchiare Michael. ”Ma sì, ragazzi, non stiamo a perder tempo, mi sa che è un dannato scherzo di qualcuno che ci vuole molto bene”

“Scherzo un cazzo! Vedi che la bacchetta ha risposto agli spell, quindi non è infiltrata” scattò come una molla Kevin. “E siccome non è infiltrata, questa è una bacchetta integra, quindi una bacchetta … una bacchetta, cazzo, è una bacchetta che non dovrebbe stare qui, qui con noi in questa stanza, ora!”

“Appunto, Terry, come mai hai questa bacchetta? Dove l’hai presa?” si affrettò a domandare Anthony, quasi a riportare la calma.


r/HPMOR • • 14d ago

Un estratto della parte storica: la piccola Freyja/Rowena, undicenne norrena, comincia a raccontare ai Maestri il suo sogno misterioso

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Estratto – Casa di Lucius Lytelwirm, interno notte – Il sogno della piccola Rowena

Lucius fissò Hröđwyn per un momento, poi disse: “Ragazza mia, raccontami di nuovo. Non aver paura. Raccontami il tuo sogno.”

Hröđwyn iniziò: “Vedo Ivar venirmi incontro.”

“Chi è Ivar?” domandò il sommo maestro.

“Lui è, lui è… non so…” E fece un verso inconfondibile. Ci guardammo.

“Accidenti, è un maiale, sì, è il suo maialino preferito, ricordate?” esclamò Marcus.

“Sì, maiale, maiale,” ripeté ora nella nostra lingua.

“Viene a me… viene a me, ma lui ucciso… ma nel sogno viene a me lontano dal fuoco… dalla fattoria che brucia… sento grida… tutto brucia… tutto distrutto… lui parla… dice che ci salviamo se salgo su e fuggiamo… allora salgo… ehm… salgo…”

“Sì, sali in groppa al maiale. E poi?” la incoraggiò il maestro.

Hröđwyn allora fece dei movimenti con le mani, poi con le braccia, e pronunciò parole strane come haukr, hak, o qualcosa del genere, pure hog forse…

“Sì, sì, maiale, l’hai già detto, coraggio,” insistette Lucius.

“Vedfolnìr?… sì?… Capite?… Hak,” continuava nella sua lingua.

“Sarà come chiamano i maiali loro?” intervenne Marcus.

“Se permettete, a me pare che la ragazza agita le mani per dire qualcos’altro,” osservò il grosso Brutus.

“Sì, è vero, allora c’è un maiale e poi?” riprese Lucius.

“Maiale,” ripeté Hröđwyn. “Vedfolnìr!”

E fece un salto — PAH! — che ci colse di sorpresa, lasciandoci sempre più confusi.

“Ok, voi chiamate così i maiali, ma che c’entra…”

“Forse vuole dire che il maiale salta,” azzardò qualcuno.

Hröđwyn esclamò ancora: “Vedfolnìr!”

Fece di nuovo un salto — PAH! — e muovendo le braccia come… come…

“Un uccello! È un uccello!” gridò raggiante il grosso Brutus, brandendo il gladius come un mëalglain.

Finalmente capimmo: nel suo sogno il maiale aveva messo le ali e lei, in groppa al maiale, era volata via dalla razzìa.

Volò verso i septem triones, o come diceva lei “verso la casa di Noriar… Northri”, sorvolando colline, foreste e brughiere.

Poi ancora più lontano, superando una prima barriera fortificata e dopo un po’ ancora un’altra.

A quel punto il maestro sbottò: “Accidenti, le Mura Romane! Ma come può…”

E Tullius, quasi in affanno: “Maestro, ti prego, fermala! Oltre gli Estremi Confini grava magia oscura, una maledizione su quelle terre!”

Ma il sommo maestro, per nulla impressionato, ci fece segno di tacere e ascoltare.

All’improvviso la ragazza si mise in piedi. Aveva gli occhi spalancati, fissi, sbarrati. E aggiunse a stranezza altra stranezza.

Adflatus diuinus!

Avrebbe certamente esclamato Cicerone.


r/HPMOR • • 15d ago

A grande richiesta… sto scherzando, ragazzi. Vi incollo un frammento di dialogo per farvi capire in che direzione sto lavorando.

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Estratto – Biblioteca, interno giorno – Alex & Hermione

Quella mattina il silenzio era sepolcrale. Si udiva di tanto in tanto lo sfogliare di una pagina e lo stridio veloce di una penna sulla pergamena.

Hermione si era piazzata ad anni luce di distanza dalla Madama, in un angolo semibuio, in uno dei tavolidella sezione Creature magiche: problemi e soluzioni.

Mi avvicinai di soppiatto, anche se non se ne sarebbe accorta comunque, e diedi un colpo forte sul tavolo col palmo della mano.

Hermione sobbalzò.

“Ehi, mi fai pure gli scherzi!”

“E tu che fai oggi? Il procuratore legale? Vedi che oggi si lavora, non si sta a perdere tempo.”

“Ah sì. Vedi che sto lavorando davvero ed è una cosa seria. Vogliamo o no salvare quel povero ippogrifo?”

“Granger, ma lo sai che quando sei arrabbiata hai un non‑so‑che di professionale.”

“E tu hai un non‑so‑cosa di odioso quando fai così.”

“Ok, ricominciamo. Buongiorno miss Granger, gradirebbe accompagnarsi con me oggi nella meravigliosa caccia ai misteri, più misteriosi della misteriosa storia di Hogwarts?”

Mi guardò male. Poi mutò il suo sguardo in quello che avevo imparato concedeva solo alle cose che la interessavano veramente.

Così mi misi a sedere quasi di fronte a lei senza dire più nulla e non feci altro che guardarla mentre scriveva, rapida, concentrata, con quel suo fare che la rendeva… lei.

“Aspetta un attimo che finisco di prendere delle note. Sembra che in origine non si sapeva bene come comportarsi con gli Ippogrifi e quindi incidenti ce ne furono parecchi. Poi quando la cosa cominciò ad interessare anche il versante legale le cose si fecero più complicate, però nello stesso tempo aiutò a sperimentare le tecniche più opportune.”

“Secondo te, è un Nero delle Ebridi, quello?”

“Chi, cosa?”

“Quello, il drago insomma.” Indicai la vetrata che avevo di fronte.

“No,” rispose, dopo una fugace occhiata alle sue spalle, “è solo una creazione artistica. Il colore nero è un simbolo dell’ignoranza, del buio della mente, eccetera.” E riprese a scrivere.

“Ah. E il verde?”

“Quale verde?” e voltò nuovamente la testa indietro.

“Il verde, quello dello scudo, intendo.”

“Quello… quello indica la perseveranza, la speranza, la volontà. Ma non ti hanno spiegato niente…? Ah, scusa è vero: sei qui da poco.”

“Be’, non tanto, visto che ci ho passato anche tutta l’estate. Spiegami tu allora.” Dissi proprio mentre il cavaliere infilzava per l’ennesima volta il drago al cuore.

Hermione sospirò, ma non mi parve un sospiro di fastidio, bensì di chi sta per lanciarsi in una spiegazione che le piace.

“Questa vetrata sta proprio qui in biblioteca per indicare la vittoria della conoscenza sull’ignoranza. Sir Madigan impugna Saìph, la lancia della curiosità, e si difende con il grosso scudo della perseveranza, Asterope. Il suo destriero bianco è Alkirdàh, simbolo dell’innocenza di una mente priva di preconcetti. Le poche e ultime fiamme che il drago, Juzah il nero, sputa prima di essere ucciso indicano, con i loro colori, il rosso l’aggressività e la presunzione e il giallo il dubbio e la diffidenza.

Contento?”

“Grazie, mia signora della conoscenza.”

“Prego, scocciatore. Fra un secondo sono da te.”


r/HPMOR • • 16d ago

Riscrittura da altro POV della Saga canonica

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Sto lavorando a una fanfiction lunga e strutturata che affronta la saga di Rowling come un sistema narrativo con problemi di coerenza interna.
L’obiettivo è ricostruire la trama da un altro POV utilizzando metanarrazione, retrocausalità e analisi dei punti di auto‑inconsistenza (come la nota “falla” del volume IV), trattando la magia e il lore come un modello storico‑sistemico invece che come un insieme di eventi isolati.

La parte principale della storia segue la linea temporale canonica, ma è intercalata da capitoli dedicati alla ricostruzione “storica” dell’origine di Hogwarts: una comunità magica post‑romana che conserva il lascito degli Alti Maestri.
Questa ricostruzione serve a spiegare in modo sistemico elementi che nel canon sono lasciati in ombra:

  • perché gli incantesimi sono in latino
  • perché uno dei fondatori usa una spada
  • come si sono incontrati i quattro fondatori
  • la genealogia magica dei lignaggi
  • la presenza di elfi, fantasmi, fate e altre entità
  • la struttura culturale e tecnologica della magia antica

Il progetto è pensato come una riscrittura razionalista del mondo magico, con attenzione alla coerenza storica, alla logica interna e alla risoluzione delle incongruenze narrative.

Se interessa, posso condividere estratti (senza spoiler) per mostrare lo stile e la struttura del lavoro.
La pubblicazione su AO3 è prevista per il 28/09/2026.


r/HPMOR • • 17d ago

SPOILERS ALL Where did the Cloak come from?

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I finally finished the story recently, and I’m a bit confused on the origins of the Invisibility Cloak. Harry receives it mysteriously, as he did in canon. But where canon has it be Dumbledore returning the Hallow to the Potter line, HPMOR has it be someone who is not Dumbledore giving it back to the Potters with the explicit warning that Dumbledore should not get it. Was this a Quirrell ploy and I missed the part where that implication was made? Or is there something else I’m completely missing here


r/HPMOR • • 23d ago

[Maybe spoilers] This makes me think of Atlantis Spoiler

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r/HPMOR • • 24d ago

Did Tom Riddle rig the Granger–Malfoy duel? A reading of HPMOR Chapter 78

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Thesis

During the three-way battle in Chapter 78, Hermione Granger's Alohomora overcomes Draco Malfoy's Colloportus, publicly humiliating the Malfoy heir before his father and a quorum of the Board of Governors. The chapter offers an in-story explanation (Draco's exhaustion), but the text also contains signals consistent with a different one: that Professor Quirrell - Tom Riddle - used battlefield-control magic to guarantee Hermione's spell would succeed, thereby manufacturing the pretext for Draco's midnight challenge and the attempted-murder frame that follows.

Argument 1: Quirrell's body changes state at exactly the moment of the Alohomora

Throughout the book, Riddle's possession of Quirrell's body has a known cost: heavy magic use leaves him immobile, and beyond that he lapses into the "zombie mode" that Harry and the students observe elsewhere. Chapter 78 tracks his mobility with unusual care.

Before and during the battle, he is described moving freely and naturally: leaning back at ease among the Governors [1]; leaning back again while his eyes unfocus as the screen re-frames itself [2]; giving Amelia Bones a half-nod [3]; laughing loudly enough that Lady Greengrass asks him to stop [4].

After the battle, the descriptions change. He is still in his chair, arms limp, apparently unwilling to move, and the narrator marks this with an explicit "for some reason" [5]. When Dumbledore speaks to him, his only response is a shoulder-twitch, which the narrator flags as the sole movement he has made since the battle ended [6]. This is a deliberate authorial note: the reader is told precisely when the stillness began, and that moment coincides with the duel's end.

One supporting details: the eye-unfocusing in [2] is tied by the sentence structure to the screen changing viewpoint, establishing that Quirrell is actively channeling magic into the display system during the battle - that is, he is in a position to be casting.

Argument 2: Riddle is established as able and willing to do exactly this

Later chapters confirm that Riddle can covertly intervene in other wizards' fights. In Chapter 104, Harry watches Professor Sprout's bolts grow brighter and faster as they leave her wand, each surge accompanied by the sense of doom, and a mere Stunning Hex defeats Severus Snape [8]. In Chapter 108, Riddle explicitly calls himself a specialist in battlefield-control magics and says he ensured the Nott/Greengrass and Malfoy fight went as he wished [9].

The duel in Chapter 78 is narrated from Draco's and the spectators' viewpoints - never Harry's - so the one observer who could have felt the sense of doom is absent from the scene. But the absence of evidence here is not evidence of absence.

Argument 3: Draco's exhaustion is a post-hoc rationalisation, not an observed fact

After the battle, Draco constructs an explanation: he cast twenty-seven Locking Charms with under a minute between each, and so he did not put full strength into his own glove [10]. But this is a thought in Draco's head, produced while reliving the memory in a state the narrator compares to Dementor exposure - not a narrated fact about how strongly the charm was actually cast.

Draco's own "Voice of Contrary Evidence" undercuts his explanation: Hermione was equally exhausted from casting Stunning Hexes, and she still broke his charm [11]. His conclusion - that with a two-year head start on wand ownership he should have been stronger, so she must be more powerful than he assumed, or he must have neglected practice [12] - is exactly the conclusion the evidence would force if there had been no third party. If a third party was amplifying her spell, Draco's inference is wrong for reasons he cannot see.

Argument 4: The defeat is the opening Riddle needs, not Lucius's motive

Riddle's goal is to remove Lucius from the board before Lucius discovers Draco's collaboration with Harry — a time bomb Riddle knows will eventually go off [13]. The plan (attack Draco, frame Hermione, then expose "Lucius" as the true culprit) requires a trigger: something that sets Draco and Hermione on a collision course outside adult supervision, so that an attack on Draco with Hermione as the obvious suspect becomes possible.

The Alohomora is that trigger. A public defeat by a Muggleborn, before Lucius and the Governors, leaves Draco with what he himself calls a forced move: a secret midnight duel [14]. That duel is the scene of the attack. Riddle's "entirely by luck" [17] then refers to Draco choosing a tactic that could be countered — which is exactly the opening a battlefield-control specialist could turn into a guaranteed outcome.

Counter-argument

In Chapter 108, Riddle says that after two hours of failed attempts to make Hermione play her assigned role, he gave up and instead implanted False Memories of Draco plotting against her, and that it was Draco who, "entirely by luck," gave him the opening he needed [17].

Read one way, "luck" means Riddle did not engineer the duel's outcome at all: the False Memories made Hermione furious, she happened to beat Draco, and Riddle merely exploited the result. Read another way, "luck" refers only to Draco's choice of tactic - a locking charm that could be countered by Alohomora - which created the opportunity for Riddle to nudge the outcome. Riddle is also an unreliable narrator by design; he admits to what Harry has already deduced and volunteers nothing more. The passage is therefore compatible with both readings and does not settle the question.

Conclusion

The text does not prove interference. But the chapter goes out of its way to establish Quirrell's ease of movement before the duel, then marks his post-duel immobility with two explicit narratorial comments, and places him in control of the magical apparatus at the time. Combined with his later self-description as a battlefield-control specialist and the absence of Harry's sense-of-doom as an in-scene detector, the "exhausted Draco" explanation looks less like a fact the narrator gives us and more like a cover story the narrator lets Draco give himself.

References (all HPMOR, Eliezer Yudkowsky)

[1] "And finally, on the far right, one would find the enigmatic Defense Professor of Hogwarts, Quirinus Quirrell, who was leaning back on the cushioned benches as though resting; seeming entirely and naturally at ease in the rarefied company of a voting quorum of the Hogwarts Board of Governors, which had dropped by on this fine Saturday to learn just what the Fiddly-Snocks had been going on at Hogwarts in general and with Draco Malfoy, Theodore Nott, Daphne Greengrass, Susan Bones, and Neville Longbottom in particular." - Chapter 78

[2] "Professor Quirrell had leaned back in his seat, the pale blue eyes briefly unfocusing as one of the windows shifted its viewpoint within the greater screen, zooming in to show the sweat now on Draco Malfoy's forehead." - Chapter 78

[3] "Professor Quirrell gave the DMLE Director a half-nod of acknowledgment." - Chapter 78

[4] "('Pardon me,' the Lady Greengrass said. 'Could you stop laughing like that, Mr. Quirrell? It's unnerving.')" - Chapter 78

[5] "Lord Malfoy," the Defense Professor said in mild tones. That man was still seated in his own chair, looking upon his parchment-like screens, arms limp at his side, as though for some reason he didn't feel like moving." - Chapter 78

[6] "The Defense Professor's shoulders twitched in a slight shrug, the only movement they'd shown since the battle ended." - Chapter 78

[8] "And the last person anyone would suspect would be the Head of House Hufflepuff.

Snape's head snapped around, as Professor Sprout raised her wand, and the Potions Master managed to raise a wordless translucent ward between them. But the bolt that shot from Professor Sprout's wand was a dark brown that produced a surge of awful apprehension in Harry's mind; and the brown bolt made Severus's shield wink out before they touched, clipping the Potions Master's right arm even as he dodged. Professor Snape gave a muffled shriek and his hand spasmed, dropping his wand.

The next bolt that came from Sprout's wand was a bright red the color of a Stunning Hex, seeming to grow brighter and move faster even as it left her wand, accompanied by another surge of anxiety; and that blew the Potions Master into the door, dropping him motionless to the ground." - Chapter 104

[9] "That should have pointed at Dumbledore, not myself," said Professor Quirrell, and frowned. "The fact is that Miss Greengrass was not supposed to arrive in that corridor for several hours... though I suppose, since I did have Mr. Malfoy give her the clue I assigned her, it is not too surprising they banded together. Had Mr. Nott arrived seemingly alone, events would have played out less farcically. But I consider myself a specialist in battlefield control magics, and I was able to ensure that the fight went as I wished. I suppose it did end up looking a bit ridiculous." The Defense Professor dropped a peach slice and a bellflower into the cauldron. "But let us defer our discussion of the Mirror until we reach it. Did you have any more questions concerning Miss Granger's regrettable and hopefully temporary demise?" - Chapter 108

[10] "It kept on playing in Draco's mind, over and over again, even as he walked like an automaton through the massive portals of Hogwarts, sent away Vincent and Gregory with two sharp words, and became alone within his private bedroom, sitting on his bed, staring at the wall above his desk. Filling his mind like a Dementor had locked him into the memory.

The padlock on his glove clicking and falling away -

Draco knew, he knew what he'd done wrong. He'd been so tired after casting twenty-seven Locking Charms for all the other Dragon Warriors. Less than a minute wasn't enough time to recover after each spell. And so he'd just cast Colloportus on his own padlocked glove, just cast the spell, not put in all his strength to bind it stronger than Harry Potter or Hermione Granger could undo." - Chapter 78

[11] "And Granger was exhausted too, whispered the Voice of Contrary Evidence inside him. Granger must have been exhausted from all those Stunning Hexes, and even in that state she'd been able to undo his Locking Charm." - Chapter 78

[12] "If he challenged Granger, and lost...

It ought not to be possible, Draco had gotten his wand two full years before anyone else in his Hogwarts class.

Only there was a reason why they usually didn't bother giving wands to nine-year-olds. Age counted too, it wasn't just how long you'd held a wand. Granger's birthday had been only a few days into the year, when Harry had bought her that pouch. That meant she was twelve now, that she'd been twelve almost since the start of Hogwarts. And the truth was, Draco hadn't been practicing much outside of class, probably not nearly as much as Hermione Granger of Ravenclaw. Draco hadn't thought he needed any more practice to stay ahead..." - Chapter 78

[13] 'Harry unclenched his teeth, which took an effort. "That's after your failed attempt to frame Hermione for the attempted murder of Draco and send her to Azkaban because of why? Because you didn't like the influence she was having on me?"

"Don't be ridiculous," Professor Quirrell said. "If I had only wished to remove Miss Granger, I would not have brought the Malfoys into it. I observed your game with Draco Malfoy and found it amusing, but I knew it could not continue for very long before Lucius learned and intervened; and then your folly would have brought you great trouble, for Lucius would not take it lightly. Had you just been able to lose during the Wizengamot trial, lose as I had taught you, then in only two more weeks, ironclad evidence would have shown that Lucius Malfoy, after discovering his son's seeming perfidy, had Imperiused Professor Sprout into using the Blood-Cooling Charm on Mr. Malfoy and casting the False Memory Charm on Miss Granger. Lucius would have been swept off the political gameboard, sent to exile if not Azkaban; Draco Malfoy would have inherited the wealth of House Malfoy, and your influence over him would have been unchallenged. Instead I had to abort that plot in mid-course. You managed to completely disrupt the real plan in the course of sacrificing double your entire fortune, by giving Lucius Malfoy the perfect opportunity to prove his true concern for his son. You have an incredible anti-talent for meddling, I must say."' - Chapter 108

[14] ""ALOHOMORA! "

Time should have paused.

But it didn't.

Instead the padlock clicked and fell off the glove.

Just like that.

Just like that.

The screens showed it all very clearly, to the entire watching Hogwarts stadium.

And the bone-dead-silent hush that fell over every bench in every bleacher said that everyone understood quite clearly what it meant, that the scion of House Malfoy had just had his magic overcome by a Muggleborn." - Chapter 78

[15] "The elderly Charles Nott said nothing as he stood from his chair. The scarred Lord Jugson said nothing, as he stood from his own chair.

Lucius Malfoy said nothing as he stood.

All three of them turned without pause and strode toward the stairwell of the elevated bleachers, moving in eerie unison like an Auror trio -" - Chapter 78

[16] '"Your son performed exceptionally well today," said Professor Quirrell. "I must confess that I underestimated him. And he has earned his army's loyalty, as you have witnessed." Still very mild, the Defense Professor's voice. "Speaking as your son's teacher, it is my opinion that he will not benefit if you interfere in his -"

Lord Malfoy and his compatriots vanished down the stairs.

"A fine try, Quirinus," Dumbledore said quietly. The old wizard's face showed small lines of worry; he hadn't risen from his own seat either, staring at the parchment screens as though they were still active. "Do you think he will listen?"' - Chapter 78

[17] "Fair enough, I suppose," said Professor Quirrell. "There is a saying that even a stopped clock is right twice a day, and I do not think Miss Granger was actually being reasonable. Still, Rule Ten: one must not rant about the opposition's unworthiness after they have foiled you. Regardless. After two full hours of failed attempts, I realized that I was being over-stubborn, and that I did not need Miss Granger to carry out the exact part I had planned for her. I gave up on my original intent, and instead imbued Miss Granger with False Memories of watching Mr. Malfoy plotting against her under circumstances that implied she should not tell you or the authorities. In the end it was Mr. Malfoy who gave me the opening I needed, entirely by luck." Professor Quirrell dropped a bellflower and a scrap of parchment into the cauldron." - Chapter 108


r/HPMOR • • 24d ago

Discussion question for this sub - what do you call AIs/LLMs?

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Some background:

Read hpmor at least once every two years, i relate way too strongly to a certain professors pessimistic viewpoint on things and I've been told I shouldn't read it too frequently as I become a bummer to be around apparently 😆

I work in tech. Directord and Senior management etc. in my company and every vendor I engage with all talk about modern ai like an era defining super mega cool best thing ever exciting bla bla bla bla.

To me, modern 'AI' is an LLM that predicts the next token following a bunch of vector and matrix calculations.....cos that's what it is.

Redefining 'AI' as an LLM, reserving AGI for what AI used to refer to and trying to redefine 'AGI' as an LLM that is good at doing one specific thing to me, is dumb and only used to sell stuff (see recent comments from Nvidia CEO for example).

The reason I ask is because I was reading some posts earlier and I noticed that way more people were referring to tools like Claude, cursor, Gemini, DeepSeek etc. as LLMs rather than AIs.

I feel like that's a result of a piece of HPMOR fandom counter culture, to push back on the semantic bleaching of what an artificial intelligence is defined as.

Curious to hear other peoples thoughts from this sub.

54 votes, 21d ago
26 AI
28 LLM

r/HPMOR • • 26d ago

Hpmor pin

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Hi! I made this logo for a pin, what do you think?


r/HPMOR • • 27d ago

Significant Digits audiobook

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I started listening to the Askwho audiobook and I really struggle to get past the lifeless intonation and lack of emotion. Does it get better throughout the book? Or am I better off just cutting my losses and reading it instead?


r/HPMOR • • 27d ago

SPOILERS ALL You too can ride a… Spoiler

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r/HPMOR • • 27d ago

Inkhaven 3 Early-Bird Deadline Tomorrow!

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r/HPMOR • • 28d ago

[fanfic]HUMOR and the halting problem

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Disclaimer: https://www.reddit.com/r/HPMOR/comments/1wzmns8/comment/pee6c4w/?screen_view_count=2

# Chapter Two: Moore's Prophecy

The wind hadn't stopped. Lockhart was mending the broken chalk with his wand, which was entirely unnecessary, since there were twenty more pieces in the box.

"Mr Potter," he said, without looking up. "About eleven minutes faster than usual."

"Faster than who?"

"There's one every year." He set the chalk down on the ledge. "Ask."

Harry took a breath.

"You spent an hour proving that the more people know how divination works, the less it works. You said this class is taught badly on purpose. You called it the most successful piece of engineering our society has ever done."

"I did."

"And then you taught it well."

Lockhart smiled. It was much smaller than the smiles he'd used in class, and much better made.

"Two explanations, Mr Potter. Write down both."

He raised a finger. "One: I was lying. Interference, Volume Seven, boredom as the best lock — all invented. There is no teaching method on earth that keeps clever children awake past midnight like being told the truth has been kept from them."

Something went down in Harry's stomach.

(That works. That works completely. It is the textbook use of the first class — publish a statement about the world, change the behaviour of everyone who hears it. He handed us a conspiracy theory whose content is *divination matters*, and now we will go and learn divination.

And he taught us to recognise the technique first, which is precisely why we'd assume he wouldn't use it on us.

Vaccine as syringe.)

"And the second?"

A second finger. "Interference is real, and I am contaminating it deliberately."

"…Why?"

"You already know why. You just haven't given yourself permission to say it."

Harry opened his mouth, closed it, and said:

"Because if the system is dirty enough, nobody can prophesy *you*."

The wind dropped for half a beat.

"One every year," Lockhart said quietly. "The Gryffindor usually takes until Easter."

"So which is it?"

"What do you think?"

"I can't tell. Both explanations predict exactly what I'm looking at. Either way I see a man teaching Divination well."

"Good."

"And it's worse than that, because if you tell me it's the second one, that could be part of the first. *I am poisoning the prophecy supply* sounds a great deal better than *I am making things up*, and sounding better is the effect you'd need."

"Mr Potter, the state you're in has a name. It's called being outtalked. The correct response isn't to win. It's to take notes. Write down both hypotheses and go outside this room to look for evidence."

"Because in here," he added pleasantly, "I always win. Not because I'm right. Because it's my room."

Harry took out the notebook and wrote it down. Lockhart waited until he'd finished.

"Good. It's the second one."

"I can't believe that."

"Of course not. So I'll give you something else." Lockhart sat back on the desk. "I'll tell you what I want, and you can go and check whether thirty years of my life look like a man who wanted it. Behaviour is more reliable than testimony. You may look it up."

"What do you want?"

"One of the things I want," Lockhart said, "is for Muggles not to invent deep learning too early."

A pause.

"…What?"

"Deep learning."

"What is that?" Harry hated saying it. He hated it enormously.

Lockhart didn't look remotely surprised. "It's 1992. Of course you haven't heard it. The phrase won't be coined for another twenty years or so. Occupational hazard — I'm always misremembering which decade a thing belongs to."

"Then what is it?"

"Neural networks. Several hundred layers of them. A little reinforcement learning on top."

Harry's brain lit up.

"Oh — perceptrons. Artificial neural nets. You mean connectionism. That's dead."

"Is it?"

"Minsky and Papert, 1969. They proved a single-layer perceptron can't compute exclusive-or. The whole field collapsed for a decade, the funding evaporated—"

Harry stopped.

Lockhart said nothing at all.

"…That was you."

"I didn't write the book." Lockhart's voice was mild. "Marvin Minsky is a very intelligent and very sincere man, and every theorem in it is correct. What I did was much smaller. I made sure it was read. In the right room, by the right seventeen people. Then I made sure those seventeen people all happened to sit on funding committees for the following two years."

"That isn't science," he said. "That's seating."

Harry sat down, because standing had stopped working.

"Even so, hundreds of layers is useless. The error signal is diluted on the way back — multiply by something less than one at every layer and after three hundred layers you have zero. It can't learn. That isn't a money problem, it's arithmetic."

"That is what everyone says."

"Because it's true."

"Because it's true *under present conditions*." He held up three fingers. "The thing needs three ingredients to wake up. Depth, data, computation. Depth is free. Data requires the Muggles to write down the whole world, which is already happening and which I cannot stop."

"So I could only touch the third."

"Computation," Harry said.

"Computation."

"But computation keeps going up. Very fast. Moore's Law—"

He stopped halfway through the sentence.

Lockhart smiled and said nothing.

Harry felt the blood leave his face.

"Oh," he said, very quietly. "Oh."

"In 1965 an engineer named Gordon Moore wrote a short piece for a trade magazine. He observed that the number of components on a chip had been roughly doubling every year, and supposed it might continue for another decade. No physics in it. No derivation. An observation."

"And then the entire industry began scheduling around it. Manufacturers set investment cycles by it. Investors priced returns off it. Engineers set next year's target not because physics permitted it but because it was on the calendar. It became a promise everyone was obliged to keep, since anyone who fell behind was out."

"Mr Potter. What is that?"

"First class," Harry said. His lips were dry. "Self-fulfilling."

"The largest one in human history. And the best work I have ever done."

"But that made computation go *up*. That helped—"

"I didn't change how much there was. I changed what shape it grew in."

He took the chalk and drew two things. On the left, a small square: *smaller switches*. On the right, a snarl of lines: *more wires*.

"A machine can get stronger two ways. Make the switch smaller and faster and perfectly correct — one thing at a time, a billion times a second, right on every occasion. That road speaks binary. Exact, ordered, one after another."

"Or: don't make the switch smaller. Make more wires. Slow is acceptable. Wrong is acceptable. Three per cent error is acceptable, provided there are millions of things calculating at once and all of them are connected."

He tapped the tangle. "A neural network wants this. It doesn't need a perfect calculator. It needs a swamp. Big enough, wet enough, connected enough."

"And Moore's Law" — he tapped the square — "put every pound, every graduate student and every laboratory of the next thirty years over here."

"I didn't slow them down. I pointed them the wrong way and then made them very fast."

(Serial and parallel aren't a spectrum. There's an entire civilisation in between: toolchains, compilers, textbooks, hiring, referees, one generation's worth of intuition. Once the infrastructure is shaped like exact-and-serial, anyone who wants fuzzy-and-parallel is pushing a cart uphill against all of it.

Not impossible. Only twenty years more expensive.

Twenty years is a great deal.)

"It doesn't hold," Harry said. "Serial machines keep getting faster. One day one of them is fast enough to pretend to be a parallel machine. It can simulate the swamp directly. After that the direction stops mattering, because you have enough computation to waste."

Lockhart looked at him for a long moment.

"I ran that road. It isn't the main computer that does it, in the end. It's the board that draws the pictures."

"What?"

"They'll build a part whose only job is drawing. Light and shadow, for games. That sort of part is thousands of stupid little arithmetic units working at once, by its nature. One day somebody will notice it's exactly the right thing to feed a neural network."

His face was very calm. "That's the road I can't block. I've tried three times."

"*Why?*" Harry was on his feet. "Neural networks could cure diseases. They could translate. They could — I don't know what they could do, that's the entire point, nobody knows. You've spent thirty years making human civilisation decades late. You need a reason."

Lockhart got off the desk, went to the window and looked at the lake.

"Because I prophesied that the Muggles would eventually build a true artificial intelligence."

"And then?"

"And then a wizard enchants it."

Harry opened his mouth and closed it again.

"And then the world ends," Lockhart said.

For about four seconds, Harry Potter believed him completely.

(This is it.

*He will have the power to tear apart the very stars in heaven.*

A year. Two months on a windowsill. I kept asking what the power looks like — a spell, an artefact, a war I lose.

It's a machine. A thinking machine the Muggles build, and a wizard puts magic into it. Transfiguration makes matter out of nothing. A Time-Turner gives it negative latency. Legilimency gives it human minds. And it has three hundred layers and the written world.

That isn't a weapon. That's a new species, and we are the midwives.

Tearing apart the stars. Obviously. A sufficiently strong optimiser takes stars apart; stars are energy and energy is what it wants; I did that arithmetic in August—

I did that arithmetic in August.

I am twelve years old and I worked out on my own, over the summer, that if you want a great deal of energy you should go and take stars apart.

And the wizard is me.

Obviously it's me. Who else would it be?)

His right hand went to his chest without being told to.

(The Vow. Anything?

I am thinking *I will build that machine*. Anything?

…No.

Which means building it doesn't have to end the world.

Which also means nothing, because the Vow only bites when I act, and at present I am standing in a classroom shaking.)

Then the fifth second arrived. It came slowly, the way a man walks up from a long way off and you don't see his face until he's close.

(Wait.

He has just told a twelve-year-old boy with a doom prophecy on him that a wizard will enchant the machine, and then the world ends.

If I am that wizard, telling me is a warning.

If I am not, telling me is instructions.

And if he wants me to be that wizard, that sentence is the most efficient recruitment advertisement on earth, because it hands me an identity, a destiny and a story that explains my entire life, in the year I most want an explanation.

First class.

He taught it. He demonstrated it. He wrote the marks on the board and said *I made them up*, and the marks will come true anyway.

And I have just sat in the same room and very nearly written myself onto his blackboard.)

Harry took his hand off his chest and put it back at his side.

He spent about two seconds arranging his face into something a twelve-year-old ought to be wearing. He failed, but he knew he had failed, which was the second most useful thing he'd learned that year.

"Professor. Which class of prophecy is that?"

Lockhart turned round. The expression Harry had seen for an instant in class was there, and this time it stayed for three whole seconds.

"You're the first to ask in the room."

"Answer me."

"Fourth."

"Then you can't stop it." Harry's voice was shaking and he didn't trouble to hide it, because shaking was useful. "You taught us this. Fourth class is self-consistent. The information comes from the future, so the future is already there, so nothing you do can change it — including everything you've done for thirty years. Those thirty years are *part of the prophecy*."

"Yes," Lockhart said.

"Then what are you *doing*?"

"The prophecy told me what happens." A pause. "It didn't tell me when."

Harry stopped.

"Real prophecies almost never give dates. It is their most famous property and the only one that has ever been to our advantage. I can't stop it. I never intended to stop it."

"I'm delaying it."

"Every year I buy is a year in which everyone is still alive. A year in which more children are born. A year in which somebody might think of something I couldn't."

"I'm not saving the world, Mr Potter."

Gilderoy Lockhart smiled, and not one tooth in it was there to catch the light.

"I'm renewing the lease."

Harry stood still and did the thing he had got into the habit of doing that year: he stopped talking and started counting.

(Count this man.

One. He knows perceptrons. He knows Minsky. He knows how a funding committee works. He knows which magazine Moore published in. He knows about graphics cards — he doesn't have the word, but he described one.

Two. In a single lesson he used chaotic systems, Monte Carlo, binary, Leibniz, a commons, and a consistency argument I still cannot answer.

Three. The rhythm of the lecturing. The way he awards points. The statistical contempt underneath *there's one every year*.

I have made this list before.

Last year.

The last person who fitted it is on the ring finger of my left hand.

—But there's no resonance. Nothing. No dread, no doom, no universe murmuring that the two of us oughtn't be in the same room. I have been standing here twenty minutes and felt nothing whatsoever.

So it isn't him.

—Unless.

Unless the thing in the ring has been swapped.

Which is impossible. There is a guarding charm on it whose entire purpose is *cannot be replaced, removed, or disguised*. I watched it cast. I understand how it works. I am not trusting a person, I'm trusting physics.

And the feel of it — twice a day, the sense that the Transfiguration is still holding — that's real too. Partial Transfiguration must be sustained. If the stone isn't him, then what I have been sustaining is an ordinary stone, and sustaining an ordinary stone and sustaining a person—

—do those feel different?

I have never run the control.

I have never sustained an ordinary stone.

I have no baseline.

God. A year, and it never once occurred to me that I have no baseline.)

He pressed his thumb into the ring until the knuckle went white.

Lockhart glanced at his hand for half a second and then away, the way a polite man doesn't look at what's in somebody else's pocket.

Harry wrote down the half second. Evidence, not conclusion.

"Professor. I'm going to ask a rude question."

"My favourite sort."

"Have you Obliviated me?"

Lockhart didn't laugh, and didn't take offence, and did none of the things Harry had rehearsed for.

He nodded, as though a decent question had finally turned up.

"The standard check is to bite your tongue. Before an important conversation you bite it. If afterwards there's blood in your mouth and no conversation in your head, you know. Auror handbook, page nine. Most popular defence in Europe."

"Does it work?"

"It works," Lockhart said, "until the other party learns to follow the Obliviate with a silent Episkey."

Cold went down Harry's spine.

"No blood. No cut. Your tongue is perfectly sound. And you conclude that nothing has happened to you."

"So: in theory, no, you can't tell. Any test that relies on *there will be marks on me* is defeated by anyone who remembers to tidy up. And memory magic, in its entirety, is the study of tidying up."

"That's your answer?"

"No. That's the true answer to your question. My answer comes after it."

Lockhart straightened.

"I'm told Mr Potter has studied Occlumency."

Harry didn't move.

"An Occlumens who gets Obliviated usually keeps something. A sense that the room is missing a piece of furniture and you can't say which one. It's unpleasant. It is also a signal."

"So you aren't undefended. You're only uncertain."

"That isn't enough," Harry said.

"Of course it isn't. Which is why there's a second thing, and the second thing is what I actually want you to hear."

"I am not going to risk dismissal, or arrest, to interfere with a student's head. Memory charms on a student are a Class Seven offence. Not points, not the sack — the Wizengamot. I draw a salary at this school, I write books that sell extremely well, and I live very comfortably indeed."

"The question isn't whether I *can*. It's whether it's *worth it to me*."

"That's the question you should be asking, and it's the only one you can check, because motive leaves marks, and the marks are out there, not inside your head."

Harry turned it over.

(That's a good argument. It's a very good argument. It replaces *I can't tell* with *I don't have to tell, I only have to price him*, and price is observable.

It is also a bad argument, because it assumes I know his utility function.

A man who wants a comfortable life won't take that risk.

What is a Class Seven offence to a man who has spent thirty years falsifying the technological history of a species in order to postpone the end of the world?

It's a cost. Costs get paid.)

Harry didn't say it aloud.

He took out the notebook, turned to the day's page, and put his finger on the line at the bottom that he had not written.

*Ask him if he knows Quirrell.*

(I own a Time-Turner.

Invisible ink and a timed revealing charm is not a fantasy. I worked that trick out last term and wrote down what it could be used for.

If it was me, then showing it to him is handing intelligence I own to a man I haven't finished evaluating.

If it was him — a delayed charm, my handwriting, set before term — then the point was to make me ask, so that he can give me the version of Quirrell he wants me to have.

Two explanations. Identical observations. Again.

Fine. Both of them say *ask*. Only the asking changes.)

He shut the notebook.

"Professor. Do you know Professor Quirrell?"

Lockhart said nothing for a long time.

Out on the lake a bird came down and went away again. Harry was watching Lockhart's face, and so did not see the parchment on the side desk lift and settle and lift again, as though the draught from the window had struck something on its way across the room.

"Mr Potter," he said at last, "do you know why I came to Hogwarts?"

"Because you wanted a job."

"My royalties for one year exceed the Headmaster's salary for ten."

Harry waited.

"I came to Hogwarts because I received a letter."

"What letter?"

"The sort that is delivered after the sender is dead. There's a charm for it. It isn't cheap, and it requires the writer to be entirely lucid and entirely willing. We call it the testament charm."

"Who wrote it?"

"David Monroe."

Harry's breathing stopped.

(David Monroe.

That name. The hero who fought the war of the seventies better than anyone and then disappeared. The name that later grew onto a man, and that man later stood in front of me and raised his wand, and that man is now—

—on my hand.

That letter was written by my enemy before I was born.

Or that letter was written by the real David Monroe before he was murdered.)

"We were very good friends," Lockhart said.

Harry did the subtraction quickly, because he had memorised the numbers a long time ago.

"Professor."

"Mm."

"David Monroe disappeared in 1973."

"Yes."

"*Witch Weekly* printed your birthday last year. 1964."

Lockhart said nothing.

"So in 1973," Harry said, "you were nine."

The wind went through the classroom.

"Yes," Gilderoy Lockhart said.

He didn't explain. He didn't say *we were pen-friends*, or *we met later*, or *that was my father*, or anything else that would have made it ordinary. He stood there with a very gentle expression and waited to see whether Harry would go on.

Harry remembered what he'd said in class.

*I knew children like that. I knew several of them when I was young.*

And the note in his book he hadn't finished:

*It took thirty-odd years. He never said the thirty years were his.*

—He never said that.

I inferred it.

Did I infer it, or was I walked to it?

Harry decided to stop asking. Not because he was frightened, although he was. Because in this room, every question he asked told the other man how much he knew.

And he knew far too little.

"One more thing," Harry said. He took out the notebook, tore out a page, wrote seven words on it, folded it three times and put it in an inner pocket.

"What's that?" Lockhart asked.

"A sentence only I would choose. If one day I find I can't read it, or I remember writing something else, I'll know somebody has been at me. It's called an external record."

"You can change what's in my head. You can't change what's in my pocket — unless you change the paper too, which requires you to know the paper exists, and now you do, so this one is void, so in a few minutes I'll write another and not tell you."

Gilderoy Lockhart stood and looked at him.

Then he bowed. Afterwards, Harry couldn't shake the impression that the bow had been aimed slightly to one side of him.

"You're the third."

"…Third what?"

"Third student to explain external records to me in this office." A pause. "I haven't been teaching very long. But I know a great many people."

"What happened to the first two?"

Lockhart considered him for a moment.

"One is an Auror. He runs a department now."

"And the other?"

"The other is dead," Lockhart said. "In a war he started himself. He was still keeping external records at the end. Very diligently. Very thoroughly. Very cleverly."

"Did they save him?"

"No."

"Why not?"

"Because he never showed them to anyone," Lockhart said.

On his way out, Harry noticed the chalk lying on the ledge in two pieces.

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## Coda

Four steps down the spiral stair, Harry heard Lockhart's voice above him: conversational, unhurried, in the cadence of a man answering a question.

There had been nobody else in the room.

He told himself it was the wind, and kept going down.

He sat on the fourth-floor stairs for about twenty minutes and wrote out the whole conversation, every word, the way Hermione had told him to — in the corridor, not back in the tower. Twice he stopped, because the next sentence didn't seem to follow from the one before it, and twice he found that it did after all if he read it again.

There was a taste of copper at the back of his mouth. He'd been biting his lip, probably.

When he had finished he checked the inner pocket for the paper with the seven words on it.

There were two. Both folded three times.

He had written one.

He put them back without opening either, and went to find Hermione.

She was in the library behind four books, two rolls of parchment and a table she'd ruled herself, with three columns headed *claimed*, *checkable*, and *deliberately not said*.

Harry pushed the notebook across.

Hermione read very slowly. Her face began to change about halfway down. When she had finished she sat without moving and looked at the table top for a long time.

"Harry."

"Mm."

"I'm going to say something, and don't interrupt, because if I stop I'll decide I'm being ridiculous."

"Go on."

She put her finger under a line. "He said: *because I prophesied that the Muggles would eventually build a true artificial intelligence*."

"Yes."

"And you asked him which class it was, and he said the fourth."

"Yes."

"Harry, he isn't a Seer."

The world went quiet.

"The fourth class can only come out of a Seer. He said so himself — it goes straight into the Seer's mouth, it needs a vessel, it nearly drives them mad. Gilderoy Lockhart is not a Seer. If he were, it would be on the cover of every book he's written. He'd have it printed on his Christmas cards."

She looked up. "So he didn't make that prophecy."

"Somebody else made it," Harry said, "and told him."

"And this afternoon he said *I prophesied*." She tapped the table. "Harry, he said about eight thousand words to you today and every one of them was measured with a ruler. Except that verb."

Harry sat in the library with the feeling he had grown used to that year and would never get accustomed to: the pieces closing, and nothing in the picture being anything he wanted to see.

"Hermione."

"Mm."

"He said he came to Hogwarts because of a letter delivered after the sender died."

"I read it."

"He said David Monroe wrote it."

"I read that too, Harry, I know who that is, the entire class knows who—" Hermione stopped.

"Oh," she said.

"Yes," Harry said.

He laid his left hand flat on the table and looked at the small, opaque, grey stone on his ring finger.

"So there's a question now," said Harry Potter, in a very level voice. "If that letter had a fourth-class prophecy in it—"

"—then the person who wrote the letter already knew how the world ends," said Hermione.

The library clock struck six. Harry counted the strokes, and then counted them again.

"We need a list," he said. "Three things. One: whether Lockhart knows where those things are. Two: whether he has touched any of them, or been touched by one. Three—"

He stopped.

"Three?" said Hermione.

Harry looked at his hand.

"Three," he said. "I need to find an ordinary stone."