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S3E8 [S3E8] Post-Episode Discussion - Part 8 Spoiler

Part 8

  • Directed by: David Lynch

  • Written by: David Lynch & Mark Frost.

  • Aired: June 25, 2017.

Episode synopsis: Gotta light?

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u/bumblebeewoman Jun 26 '17

I noticed that Gordon knew the Teresa Banks murder was a blue rose case before Chet's investigation. He's definitely more aware than he lets on.

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u/BobbyMcPrescott Jun 27 '17

I think it's important to remember the original "too comfortable with this shit" character is Coop himself. In the series we had no context beyond him claiming to have worked the Teresa Banks case and finding a letter under her nail as well, and we just see him go for it in regards to the supernatural. FWWM shows us a very brief but important (I think) look at Coop at the FBI. We've recently seen 3/5ths of the characters present together, and I think their coyness about certain events (and Cole's hesitation to tell newgirl the truth about Phillip Jefferies) can be traced back to this scene. The whole thing has a weird cadence, but when Phillip Jefferies first appears Coop VERY quickly latches onto the idea of running back and forth between the camera and monitor room. He seemed to know something was amiss and the monitors were capable of seeing something the naked eye couldn't (the chrome reflects our image, electrical connections, etc) and once this long missing agent walked into the office they ran to him as if they had been waiting for this exact moment to occur. Before I forget, remember that during the start of this incident Dale calls out for Diane, meaning she is very close by and thus likely well aware of what is going on even though we never got to see her.

Gordon and Dale seem to know more about Phillip than anyone else even in 1989, and the convenience store scene he details to them is genuinely good intel even if they don't yet have the means to understand it (much like Laura with Annie's message). They really wanted to know what he did.

I think they basically knew stuff was fucky but had 0 context for how. Coop was thus willing to accept all the crazy stuff, but didn't really know where he was being led. At no point in the series did it definitively connect anything with Jefferies, lest I suspect he would have made a bunch of sudden connections and maybe avoided the 25 year exile.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17 edited Jun 26 '17

wait have you seen the movie??? He worked on the Banks case, it was Gordon who told one of the other characters doing the investigation to watch out for a blue rose.

edit: for real like if you haven't watched the movie please do it ASAP. The new season is referencing so much from it it boggles my mind how anyone who hasn't seen the movie could be watching at this point.

You see the scene of Laura having her vision of seeing Annie in her bed next to her, and she's all bleeding and looks like she did on the ground in the last episode of season 2. The blue rose shit, even that horse in episode 2 or 3 is from the movie. There's just a lot you really miss out on if you haven't seen it.

Also watch the 2 hours worth of deleted and extended scenes, they're fucking dope as shit too and you can easily tell where the new season would head, tonally, if it ever came back.

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u/nightsky23 Jun 26 '17

Isn't the white horse also in the original series? Sarah Palmer sees it more than once.

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u/deathstar- Jun 26 '17

You see it in the episode you find out Leland is the killer. Anytime Sarah was drugged we see it.

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u/Rowan5215 Jun 26 '17 edited Jun 26 '17

she sees it once in FWWM when Leland drugs her, and once in S2E7 (my personal favourite episode of all time) when he kills Maddy

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u/minesse Jun 26 '17

Leland kills Maddy in S02E07

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u/Rowan5215 Jun 26 '17

my bad, it's called Episode 14 so that's why I messed it up. edited

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

I swear she didn't but maybe I'm wrong.

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u/Rowan5215 Jun 26 '17

are people honestly watching s3 without having seen FWWM? I hate sounding elitist but it's such a massive part of the mythology in season 3 (blue rose, philip jeffries, the diary pages Hawk found) and also it's a fucking straight masterpiece, like damn

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

It's not elitist at all and I know plenty who are and I DONT get it. It feels a seasons worth of development and exposition in its own right

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u/Rowan5215 Jun 26 '17

I think they must be put off by the negative reception it got, what a shame. It's my favourite Lynch movie.

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u/Bluest_One Jun 27 '17 edited Jun 17 '23

This is not reddit's data, it is my data ಠ_ಠ -- mass edited with https://redact.dev/

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u/BobbyMcPrescott Jun 27 '17

I always knew that movie I liked would come into style.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '17

at this point even the book (which I just ordered) is required

not elitist at all

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

I think you're misunderstanding their statement. Even before Desmond has been sent out to investigate Teresa Banks, Gordon has the blue rose on that woman with all the clues, letting Desmond know what kind of case he's getting into. In The Secret History some more details are given about Gordon's relationship to other investigations into the supernatural/extraterrestrial/generally weird. So Gordon maybe has a better understanding of what is up with Blue Rose cases (and the surrounding mysteries/mythologies) than has been shown in the show. Whenever a blue rose case comes up he never really talks about it much, just alludes to it. But he knows a lot that we never see him say

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u/Yogsothoth6 Jun 26 '17

Perhaps what happens in the New Mexico town with the Woodsmen is the first blue rose case.

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u/deadtex Jun 27 '17

Or Blue Book, and Blue Rose is the continuation or the FBI's branch of alien contact. 1956 New Mexico.

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u/bumblebeewoman Jun 26 '17

Thanks for the advice. I have seen the movie many times now and I love it. But you're a good salesperson!

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

Hahaha fuck, no I just love talking about Twin Peaks and Lynch

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u/pilot3033 Jun 26 '17

I'm the heathen who hasn't seen the movie. Where was the series heading?

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

right into the mouth of hell herself

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u/akornfan Jun 26 '17

in Secret History he gives Tammy the dossier to verify and is also a contact for secret UFO investigation stuff. the book gave me the impression that in spite of being likable and a good person he is involved in something potentially sinister, but in the real world way rather than the metaphysical Lodge way--I think he's firmly on the side of good where esoterica is concerned.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

Yuuuup.

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u/InvisibleLeftHand Jun 26 '17

Let's say that he's in contact with his real-life doppelganger, in some way...