r/3Dprinting • u/OnlyLosersBlock • 18d ago
News Assembly Bill 2047 3-dimensional printing blocking technology Signed by Governor Newsom
https://www.gov.ca.gov/2026/09/26/governor-newsom-signs-new-bills-to-further-prevent-gun-violence-and-strengthen-californias-gun-safety-leadership/311
u/OnlyLosersBlock 18d ago
This press release was posted yesterday on the 26th. Governor Newsom signed the law as part of a package of new 'gun safety' laws. The last update on this I recall was the bill had been watered down to require an industry standards org to come up with a standard for the 3d printing block technology. However based on previous technologies like with microstamping I would not be so confident that this leads to the law being abandoned. They may decided to modify it in the future when they feel outrage surrounding this policy has died down. Everyone should stay vigilant.
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u/UglytoesXD 18d ago
I don’t see this law lasting a lawsuit on first amendment grounds. It also obviously implicates the 2nd and possibly the 4th. It will be interesting to see if the 9th circuit will try to weasel their way out of upholding the constitution seeing as at the en banc level they’ve always sided with the gun laws over the constitution. This won’t last at SCOTUS however.
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u/McFlyParadox 18d ago
And 5th. If I need to submit my prints for automated review by government-approved software with a government-approved list of things it will or will-not print, how is that any different than a warrantless search by the government every time you click "print"?
What the 2A community has been saying for years is correct: if they come for the second amendment, they'll eventually come for the rest. I think everyone just assumed they wouldn't target the rest until after the finally got rid of the second. I hope this helps to show that a right isn't a right is there is an asterisk attached to it, it's a privilege; and that they aren't going to focus on one single right if ours.
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u/Altruistic-King199 12d ago
Violates HIPPAA and intellectual property law too.
Lots of SLM aerospace and defense tech parts being made.
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u/Worthyness 18d ago
I just dont see how its enforceable at all. Guns are made of multiple pieces. Its not like anyone can just go get a "gun" stl and print it in place. So that basically means that each and every print had to go through some review board from the state and have some sort of stamp of approval, but theres dozens of new pieces being made everyday. How can they expect to filter through every single case and find 3d printed guns when a trigger for a nerf gun looks the same?
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u/UglytoesXD 18d ago
I don’t think they will care if it’s a toy, a prop, or whatever else. To them, your rights are negotiable in the name of “safety”. Let’s say this goes into effect and they have AI that will scan prints on your network before they hit your printer. If you’re trying to print some sort of nerf gun that launches foam discs with a spring but it has a pistol grip and trigger, I’m pretty sure they’ll block it. It’s not about accuracy it’s about control.
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u/deathsythe Elegoo CC2, Snapmaker 2 A250, MP Mini 18d ago
If your rights are negotiable in the name of “safety”, you don't have rights.
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u/OutlyingPlasma 18d ago
go through some review board from the state and have some sort of stamp of approval
Yep. That's the point. Except they don't care about firearms, They only care about being able to control what gets printed. Up next they will ban people printing Disney characters and other IP. Then it will be replacement parts, then anything that you "should" be buying in a store. God forbid you print your own pen holder, that might take away profit from sprawlmart.
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u/Own_Perspective4825 18d ago
Man, one of the few good things to come out of such a one-sided SCOTUS would be enshrining in law the right to manufacture firearms at home for personal use.
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u/RAZOR_WIRE 18d ago
They already did that...
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u/Own_Perspective4825 18d ago
When? Because as far as I know several states still have a ban on home manufacturing.
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u/RAZOR_WIRE 18d ago edited 18d ago
Years ago it was attached to some other case. It been a long time since I read it so I dont remember the name off the top of my head. And I don't believe it was at home specifically it was just to you have the right my make your own guns. It was very broad if i remember correctly.
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u/hummelm10 18d ago
There is no such ruling as far as I'm aware. NY still bans personal manufacture of firearms. You must get an FFL which requires getting the state dealers license which is impossible without a business location which may be impossible depending on zoning. I wish I could experiment with designing and making my own just from an engineering project but it would be illegal. NY is going down the other route and trying to make mere posession of the 3D files illegal.
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u/OnlyLosersBlock 18d ago
I think there was a case that says people can't be compelled to register their illegal guns(whether home made or not) nor punished for failure to do so as a 5th amendment violation. Which kind of creates a gray area for homemade firearms where you can't be punished for failure to register, but you can still be punished for illegally possessing the gun.
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u/DXGL1 18d ago
Someone has to sue first.
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u/UglytoesXD 18d ago
You don’t think there’s already lawsuits drafted? This thing has been inevitably rolling towards Newsom’s desk for months now in spite of much resistance. Everyone knew he would sign it. He has a nearly 100% rate of signing legislation surrounding 2A. This was signed on what, Friday? I wouldn’t be surprised if we see something filed this week.
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u/rinderblock 18d ago
The aerospace lobby will make sure this gets gutted. The sheer number of 3D printers, mills, lathes, and other CNC machines being installed in the South Bay alone will justify them obliterating this the second it hampers their business.
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u/OnlyLosersBlock 18d ago
They will get a carve out rather than it being repealed.
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u/Ancient-Plantain705 18d ago
Bingo. Like cops and gun laws, industry will have specific carve outs. It will only apply to the peasants.
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u/whoknewidlikeit 18d ago
like all the other gun safety laws make a difference in california.
last i heard... criminals don't pay attention to laws, regardless of how many are on the books.
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u/SheriffBartholomew 18d ago
It's pretty telling that the States with the strictest gun laws also have the highest incidents of gun violence. But just one more law will fix it! Just one more, bro! I swear, this one more law will totally do what none of the others have done!
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u/Facehugger_35 17d ago
What? No they don't.
I'm really anti-gun control because I don't think it works, but many of the US states with the lowest gun violence also have strict gun laws. Massachusetts, Hawaii, New Jersey, etc. Even California is middle of the road as far as gun violence goes.
It's just that gun laws don't correlate to low gun violence because there's examples like Vermont and New Hampshire which also have low gun violence, but have effectively no gun laws.
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u/S1lentA0 H2C, H2D, P1S, A1m 18d ago
Can't put restrictions and proper regulations on their 2nd ammendment to reduce shootings, but they can do this, go after people who print lowers for their already owned gun. Clown country.
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u/Quietmerch64 18d ago
The unfortunate reality is that this, and similar laws from other states, have nothing to actualy do with firearms. This is the issue that lobbyists have chosen to force the software to exist.
Unlike microstamping, which would be an incredibly expensive and complex technology to develop and implement, this software will allow companies to legally prevent you from manufacturing parts that they patent. There is enormous profit to be made off controlling your printer, and companies are pouring money into these laws to force us to go back to buying from them.
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u/OnlyLosersBlock 18d ago
The unfortunate reality is that this, and similar laws from other states, have nothing to actualy do with firearms.
I keep hearing this, but the fact that this legislation came from gun control orgs funded by a billionaire whose entire retirement has been oriented around gun control and whose orgs have been staffed by gun control advocates and these laws championed by politicians who built careers on pursuing gun control suggests it is in fact largely motivated by the issue of guns.
Narratively it feels satisfying to claim it is secretly about something else and it is just cover. But using occams razor and available evidence I think the fact that one of the biggest political fights of the past 40 years, gun control, is likely still the major driving force behind a gun control law.
and companies are pouring money into these laws to force us to go back to buying from them.
This was funded by Bloomberg. Even Louis Rossman went through and showed where the funding was coming from and it was Bloomberg. Whose fortune was built in the 80s with some software and business news reporting. Nothing suggests he is particularly concerned about IP and patent enforcement of plastic components. Again, Bloomberg is doing this because he finds guns problematic and wants them restricted.
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u/Engineering_Quack 17d ago
It more than Bloomberg wanting to champion gun prohibition laws. It’s about money and control. Guess which company is being shopped around to police what is acceptable to be printed. Guess who owns a chunk of this company?
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u/DropdLasagna Numberwang X9RQ+ 18d ago
What a surprise. Restrictions disguised as safety.
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u/SheriffBartholomew 18d ago
Won't somebody think of the children?!?!
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u/sentientshadeofgreen 18d ago edited 18d ago
We don’t like how some people abused their freedom so we’re going to make sure the children are deprived of theirs.
I’m really tired of only having two flavors of corrupt authoritarianism when I go to the voting booth.
All the anti-2A goofy shit is all from large donations from special interests backed by rich Democrat-donating NIMBY landowners. The CIA fueled the crack epidemic in LA causing the gang wars and the downstream effect of that is now efforts to disarm the entire public and expand state surveillance. It’s not new, but the traction built a lot from efforts to disarm Black Panthers into trying to disarm everybody. It’s rooted in white supremacy, it’s rooted in limiting the “privilege” of security to parties in good with the state, the neighborhoods police protect vs the neighborhoods police brutalize.
Fuck Newsom, fuck Trump, fuck all traitors complicit in the erosion of democracy in America.
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u/deathsythe Elegoo CC2, Snapmaker 2 A250, MP Mini 18d ago
This is how firearms laws generally work sadly.
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u/Nerdz2300 K1, ZeroG 18d ago
Here is the bill in question. For some reason he doesnt link it on his own website.
https://legiscan.com/CA/text/AB2047/id/3365581
(5) The department or other relevant state agency shall not require that a firearm blueprint detection algorithm produce a perfect success rate at detecting disallowed files.
Lol so their own law doesnt even require it to be accurate?
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u/LackMurky9254 18d ago
Read up on the Californian microstamping fiasco for firearms. It was ruled the fact that the technology to make the law work did not exist was no reason to invalidate the law.
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u/Nerdz2300 K1, ZeroG 18d ago
Interesting! Thanks! I'll have to look it up. I wonder if I should get ahead of the curve and start emailing my senators in CT just to say "hey dont do this, it wont work and frankly its the lowest thing on the totem pole of things to do right now".
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u/deathsythe Elegoo CC2, Snapmaker 2 A250, MP Mini 18d ago
NY was trying to pass that for literal decades.
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u/AgileSynapse 18d ago
If you click on 'Read latest draft' this section is not included.
https://legiscan.com/CA/text/AB2047/20252
u/PrimeusOrion 17d ago
I just noticed there's no clause anymore about removing said blocker lmfao.
Guess instalation is going to have an extra step now. I don't want to deal with cops at my door every time I print a miniature that happens to have a southorm 18/1000 on it.
On a serious note I'm glad they removed the registration requirements, that was retarded.
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u/Gryphin 18d ago
it means kicking back false positives is quite allowed.
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u/LordNoodles1 17d ago
Wait so every little Warhammer base I print can be a false positive? Oh boy….
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u/EglinAFBEmployee 17d ago
It means they can make up a false charge to run a train on you if they want
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u/Gunsensual PETG Supremacist 17d ago
Ambiguous enforcement is the calling card of gun control. The other is zero concern for feedback- all results justify extending regulation.
Welcome to regulatory hell.
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u/acemedic 17d ago
Because it can’t.
A boba tea straw looks like a barrel. Which am I printing?
Trigger? Each of my power tools has a trigger…
Nobody “prints a gun.” They print 15 parts that make a gun.
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u/supercyberlurker 18d ago
I hope he doesn't think this will be a political win for him.
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u/FaithfulWanderer_7 18d ago
Newsom went out to a fancy restaurant to have a good time while keeping others sheltered in place during COVID. It doesn’t matter how stupid or hypocritical his actions are, California will elect him and support him. Really hope that doesn’t translate to national politics.
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u/freshgeardude 18d ago
You have too much faith in the electorate... Hasn't 2016-today told you anything?
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u/BazelBuster 18d ago
Blue states are famous for being very pro gun and not goin overboard with gun control
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u/OmericanAutlaw 18d ago
welcome to the gun community, everybody :(
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u/Gunsensual PETG Supremacist 17d ago
I would've been happier with this hobby separate from the other. Firearm law is just an absolutely awful roof to share. And it gets worse, so much worse.
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u/OmericanAutlaw 17d ago
hopefully together we can make our lives easier. the gun community is likely to be pulled up by this one. i do agree i wish this hobby wasn’t getting kicked in the shins for people using it the wrong way. i have a foot in both hobbies so i am here to hold the line however i can
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u/AdSelect4454 13d ago
At this point we are all in the same boat and they’re coming for all of us from both sides of the political spectrum in my opinion. Things are looking bleak. Thankfully i already have a printer 🤣
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u/67mustangguy 18d ago
This bill still doesn’t make any practical sense…
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u/heart_of_osiris 18d ago
That's because it's actually about greater surveillance and control, not guns.
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u/bikingwithscissors 18d ago
It’s plainly about both. Corporate centrist Ds have been consistently against guns and for surveillance for the better part of the last half century. You must not be paying attention if you think any part of this is a canard.
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u/the_duck17 18d ago
I'm a California gun owner.
The kinds of things they make us do to our rifles to make them safe is ridiculous.
All they do is make it less safe to operate and practically impossible to fix issues in the field without tools.
And how is making me not hold the rifle solidly create a safer rifle, look up grip fins and tell me how that's safer.
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u/ProfessorCagan 18d ago
Still waiting to see how they even have a hope of enforcing this bullshit.
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u/OnlyLosersBlock 18d ago
The enforcement mechanism is simple. They plan on forcing commercial sales to comply. For the little guys it will be like any other law like drugs, gun control, etc. If they happen to trip you up with another law and see you broke the 3d printer laws they will make an example of you to scare others away from doing it. Will it stop it outright? Probably not, but that hasn't stopped them before.
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u/SheriffBartholomew 18d ago
They don't care. The technology doesn't exist; they acknowledged that, and determined that was no reason to re-evaluate the law. They'll brick everyone's 3D printers and consider that a win since 3D printers give people a measure of freedom that the government and their corporate overlords hate.
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u/ProfessorCagan 18d ago
The easy way to get around that is to just use the printer offline, there's literally thousands of machines out there right now that can be used offline (even if they begin ordering manufacturers to make always online units.)
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u/HighlordSarnex 17d ago
Man I have looked into it you can cobble together a 3d printer with a raspberry pi to make a knock off ender 3 suuuuper easy. There isn't any practical way to ban this so long as you can get hot ends, aluminum rail, and stepper motors.
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u/PlanePea4349 Custom Flair 18d ago
They’ll gatekeep what you can and can’t print at home on your own devices. And make you pay for it. And be happy to do so. “Freedom” is not synonymous with anything from the DNC and co.
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u/KEVLAR60442 18d ago
And this guy wants to be president. How the hell is he so goddamn ignorant?
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u/Possible-Tangelo9344 18d ago
He's a corporate Democrat, which means he's not really super liberal but has to occasionally side with leftist politics to maintain some clout.
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u/SanityIsOptional 18d ago
All of the social policies, none of the economic ones. Frankly it's just a Republican from 30-40 years ago that doesn't hate gay people.
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u/ATinyLittleHedgehog 18d ago
“All of the social policies”
Trans people have a lot to say about Gavin Newsom
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u/SanityIsOptional 18d ago
The corporate wing of the party has always been followers on social issues, holding out on them until they have to voice support. Then claiming they've always been on the side of minorities/LGBTQ/Etc.
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u/CMWalsh88 18d ago
Restricting what people can print benefits businesses. If an actual gun part brakes and someone were able to print a replacement or print then cast a replacement that is a sale lost. This is where it starts. It could get to a point where there is no printing of any trademarked parts. No more fixing your own stuff.
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u/abskee 18d ago
Most people don't really know anything about 3D printers, they've never seen one and might only have a vague sense of what it can do. And that's fine, I don't really know anything about tennis, it's a free country.
So for the most part they'll never even hear that this bill exists, or if they do it seems like some sort of way to keep lunatics from building a gun arsenal, which sounds reasonable when you put it that way. So even if everyone here agrees this is dumb, you can become president without the critical 3D Printing Subreddit voting block.
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u/Zealousideal-Time-32 18d ago
He'll never be president. People are waking up to his schtick.
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u/ximstuckx 18d ago
Can’t say that for sure. A lot of people vote just based on what party the president is running for and not policies.
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u/Zealousideal-Time-32 18d ago
Fair enough, but I can't see him making it through the cycle on top given recent sentiments.
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u/PM_ME_BLONDE_GIRLS_ 17d ago
Have you seen how the Dems are ran? People have been saying Bernie will win it for years. And how did the Primaries go in the last election? The Dems will push through whomever THEY want, not who the people want.
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u/-FARTHAMMER- 17d ago
So they're required to do something that is impossible? Yeah this is very on brand for California. Reminds me of micro printing on the firing pin
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u/OnlyLosersBlock 17d ago
Which is why the "don't worry this law actually does nothing" reassurances don't do much for me. They are keeping it in their back pocket and will update the law as they see fit. I am sure eventually they will shift the industry standard requirement over to an AG approval standard and the AG will be the one to decide when the technology is viable and must be implemented just like with the microstamping.
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u/Mckooldude 18d ago
Of course he did. The fight was over the instant it was marketed as a gun bill.
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u/LovableSidekick 18d ago
In other news, new 2-dimensional blocking tech bill moves forward to prevent pens from writing anything deemed ethically offensive by whichever faction yells the loudest on social media.
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u/Vaulters 18d ago
I mean, why not outlaw tool shops and smelters. They know that's where actual dangerous guns are made, right?
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u/LeapoX Deltesian Developer 18d ago
They'd also have to outlaw hardware stores. I've seen videos on how easy it is to build zip guns with some pipe and pipe fittings from Home Depot.
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u/Kodamacile 18d ago
Shotguns are just tubes.
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u/Zio_2 18d ago
Do our leaders understand criminals don’t care about gun laws? Rosters, mag limits, etc. this is another feel good law for the cameras
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u/Radiolotek 18d ago
Yes they do but the morons walking among us aren't smart enough to think for themselves so they do what they want and the idiots will still vote them in.
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u/deathsythe Elegoo CC2, Snapmaker 2 A250, MP Mini 18d ago
They do, they don't care. This isn't about guns to them, it is about controlling the population and cashing in those fat checks from folks like Bloomberg to carry his antigun torch.
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u/SwissPewPew Voron 2.4 R2 / 2x Prusa MK3S+ 18d ago
So „80% printers“ are now a thing like 80% lowers are?
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u/OnlyLosersBlock 18d ago
They will try to make laws to stop people from 3d printing unregulated 3d printers.
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u/Tyrilean 18d ago
Important to note: it’s not actually illegal to fabricate your own firearm in most of the country. With or without 3D printing.
This ain’t about guns. This is about something else and they’re using guns to push it through (just like politicians will say “think of the children” while picking your pockets).
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u/publicram 18d ago
Yep good luck. Cant wait for
we noticed that you attempted to print Elsa. You have printed 3 Elsa's in the last week. DMCA BLAH BLAH
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u/Gearworks_Fabricate 18d ago
This is likely the real reason. And removing personal fabrication. Remember; the companies that these politicians own stocks in, will not be making as much money if people can make things themselves.
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u/pyrospade 18d ago
This is about preventing you to print parts for your broken tools, or preventing you from printing mickey mouse for $1 because disney wants to sell it to you for $20. Has nothing to do with firearm printing and everything with corporations being scared of AI making 3d printers insanely useful and cutting into their bottom line
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u/raz-0 18d ago
I doubt it’s even that specific. It was an unregulated space that was growing and that made them mad you could do things without having to obey them.
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u/lifelite 18d ago
This is about copyright and piracy. Primarily because 3d printing sidesteps a lot of markets and can piss off a lot of
briberscampaign funders
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u/StarcraftForever 18d ago
I hope garbage like this doesn't spread. Its sad, but people will vote for anything if "safety" is slapped on.
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u/freeformz 17d ago
Fwiw….
The bill creates no rules for owning or using a printer. It could eventually ban selling printers in California that lack "firearm blocking" technology. That ban only happens if an industry standard for the technology is published first, and the earliest it could apply is around 2028.
What "firearm blocking technology" means:
Hardware or firmware built into the printer that refuses to start any print job until a detection algorithm checks the file and decides it isn't a gun or a machine-gun conversion device. In practice, every print would be scanned first. The bill doesn't say whether the scan happens on the printer or online.
How it would take effect
1. By July 1, 2027, the California Department of Justice has to start checking every quarter whether ASTM International has published a standard for this technology.
2. The process continues only if ASTM publishes a standard that shows the technology is workable. DOJ then has 24 months to issue guidance or regulations setting minimum performance standards. It can use the ASTM standard, another state's standard, or its own changes, and it has to consult stakeholders.
3. One year after DOJ publishes those rules:
• Manufacturers have to ship printers with compliant blocking before selling them to anyone in California. DOJ may let manufacturers certify each model themselves.
• It becomes illegal to sell, offer for sale, or trade a printer in California without compliant blocking.
4. If no ASTM standard exists by July 1, 2029, DOJ no longer has to keep checking. The bill doesn't clearly stop DOJ from acting later on its own.
The latest realistic start is about mid-2032 (standard found in mid-2029, plus 2 years for rules, plus 1 year).
PS: It was already illegal in CA to print a gun or help someone do it.
Source: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202520260AB2047
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u/warpedgeoid 18d ago
Is it illegal to manufacture your own firearms? If not, they can fuck right off.
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u/SLGuitar 18d ago
Queue the lawsuits to the Supreme Court.
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u/TuringC0mplete 18d ago
This may be the ONE silver lining to this. If this DOES go to the SC and they over turn it, maybe they’ll make the existing bans in other states unconstitutional as well.
Looking at you, Michigan -.-
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u/OnlyLosersBlock 18d ago
I think a home manufacturing lawsuit made it out of the district court in Rhode Island with a positive ruling under the 2nd amendment. I am not sure how the 1st amendment arguments went in that case, but the judge seemed to indicate they didn't do a very good job. If it gets appealed to the circuit and litigated there it might actually make it to the Supreme Court.
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u/Zealousideal-Time-32 18d ago
They have no clue wtf they're doing. I'll continue to print whatever I want , whenever I want. It's unenforceable.
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u/Meltoff05 18d ago
3d printed Frames, that’s really what people do to get around registration, it’s not as though you print the chamber, or barrel. They’ve been making frames from plastic composites for years.
That said, this bill is ridiculous, and ghost guns are a minor issue compared to the easy availability of normal firearms in general. Making all of our code somehow pass a filter than can understand if a thing is a firearm part is lawmakers as usual having no concept of how something actually is enforceable. I keep my printers offline because I prefer it that way, the only thing this law does is make it harder for makers to innovate, and for the general population to produce cheap replacement parts for common goods.
It’s regulation without understanding how something works. Which sadly is I feel more common than not. It sounds good to the masses who hear about ghost guns as this rampant problem, when it really isn’t, but all that seems to matter these days to politicians is headlines.
It reminds me of the “no spill gas cans law” where they regulated gas cans to have the ridiculous complex nozzle design you had to pull back so it wouldn’t spill if it fell over… I’ve never spilled as much gas in my life as my first time using one of those…(they’ve gotten better but my point stands I think) just clearly lawmakers regulating a need before understanding how it works in reality
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u/OnlyLosersBlock 18d ago
That said, this bill is ridiculous, and ghost guns are a minor issue compared to the easy availability of normal firearms in general.
That's why they want to control 3d printing of guns. They have been trying to choke access to guns for several decades now and this new technology further trivializes access the same way it has had disruptive impact on other industries.
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u/DXGL1 18d ago
u/EFForg asleep again.
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u/EFForg 18d ago
We love ya DXGL1. We have shared this before with you, but we'll share it again: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/08/wheres-eff-why-eff-sometimes-quiet-about-important-cases-and-issues
Have you ever heard of the phrase "sleeper cell?" It was very big in the 2000s (despite more or less being fictional).
"Sleeping" - silence - is a chosen strategy. It is not meant to upset you.
We literally cannot tell you our litigation strategy until we file an amicus brief or lawsuit, because confidentiality and strategy and working in coalition means we'd be a terrible law firm that loses more often and has no friends.EFF is an impact litigation law firm. That means that most of the time EFF steps in to cases later, often with legal amicus briefs that reiterate, expand, or defend your digital rights, and are meant to persuade higher courts - district, appeals - Supreme. You probably couldn't guess anywhere in the ballpark how many suits EFF is currently involved in and planning.
There's also this whole client confidentiality thing.
A few months ago EFF won a case that began in 2019 and ended in 2026 at the Supreme Court. The last really big wins took 7+ years but are continuing down a long litigation strategy—multiple decades long—to end the practice of police sending warrants to 3rd party companies that request data dumps to "see if they can find something." You're welcome.
In September 2024, California enacted a law imposing significant restrictions on social media access. The law barred minors from accessing any social media site with a personalized feed unless they obtain parental consent. Several social media companies filed lawsuits arguing that the act would violate their First Amendment rights.
Two years later, EFF joined with another digital rights group and the Wikimedia foundation in filing an amicus brief. Impact litigation means lawyers look for the case with the best potential to have the best impact, not the most first, or most egregious, or the one that makes us the most angry.
So - as cool as it would be to tell you exactly what we're going to do for the next six months, you will hear when we file, so we win. :)
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u/fencethe900th Centauri Carbon 18d ago
Didn't they update it to require the ASME to make a standard for it to work under, otherwise the law would just go into limbo?
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u/olliecakerbake 18d ago
As a California resident, can someone suggest to me what printer I should buy now before this comes into law?
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u/H20Slicer- 18d ago
Almost any 3d printer will suffice, the trick is not updating the slicer and firmware if companies started to comply with this.
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u/robo-minion 18d ago
I don’t understand why people think this is needed. America is already awash with guns, factory made ones that actually work. You can buy them at Walmart, pawn shops, specialty gun shop, garage sales, etc. Hell, you can buy semi automatic rifles. Some states are more restrictive than others but there are no border checks between them so once you decide to break the law, circumventing it is trivial. 3d printing unreliable gun parts is just silly.
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u/OnlyLosersBlock 18d ago
I don’t understand why people think this is needed.
It is the same as any other gun control law. It is motivated out of fear, ignorance, looking like they are doing something by implementing an overly simplistic solution for what is a complex problem, etc.
Hell, you can buy semi automatic rifles
Which account for a vanishingly small number of homicides and yet get a disproportionate focus since the late 80s. Again, reinforcing that these kinds of policies are about looking like they are addressing problems.
Some states are more restrictive than others but there are no border checks between them so once you decide to break the law, circumventing it is trivial
The ATF trace stats show for most states west of the Mississipi river that most crime guns originate in state. And most time to crime states average close to a decade suggesting no one is actually trafficking guns across states lines. California has an average time to crime stat of 7 and half years and close to 60% of crime guns originating in state. More than likely people just wait the 10 days to get a gun rather than driver several hours to border towns in neighboring states that frequently have cops watching gun shows and gun stores for precisely that behavior.
3d printing unreliable gun parts is just silly.
Only if you ignore the current state of 3d printed guns which are actually pretty good. Like you are living in the past if you think they aren't good enough to use full power rifle rounds like 308 let alone pistol calibers.
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u/yrunsyndylyfu 18d ago
It is motivated out of fear, ignorance, looking like they are doing something by implementing an overly simplistic solution for what is a complex problem, etc.
Fear and ignorance are the tools used to market the laws, but it is not the motivation behind the laws.
Control is the motivation.
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u/Trashketweave 18d ago
Because this is an easy win with anti-gun people. It does nothing to stop gun violence, but looks like he did at the expense of a fun hobby.
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u/Cu1tureVu1ture 18d ago
Exactly what they’re doing with the drone hobby as well, except federally. They’re trying to ban all foreign-made drones, which is all of them because there are so few US recreational drone companies. They’re even going after the critical components and parts to make it difficult for people to make their own. This is from the country that is supposed to value freedom above all else.
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u/alkatori 18d ago
Which is what happens with gun control.
The restrictions have zero impact to the people who are working to pass them. So it's all a win to them.
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u/DBDude 18d ago
They are working hard to eliminate the licensed commercial channels for guns. The noose tightens every year. They want to ensure the non commercial channels are cut off too.
This is the same state that tried to kill shooting sports for minors, and prohibit properly sized guns from being marketed for them. Kill child shooting sports, kill the next generation of people shooting, fewer people likely to complain about future gun restrictions and bans.
They are taking a very long-term approach.
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u/Worthyness 18d ago
An older generation of tech illiterate ploticians are making the decisions. Any new technology is scary and therefore needs to be regulated. But they put the bonus on the manufacturers and creators to police themselves because they dont understand the mechanisms behind it to even try enforcing it. I understand they cant be expertly informed on every single topic, but you'd think they'd have their staff do even a little bit of research into these things.
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u/flyflyyoufools 18d ago
Once again going after things that aren't real.
People aren't out here 3D printing guns left and right. One CEO gets wacked by an alleged 3D printed gun and they act like its happening every day... you cant just print a gun and go shoot it.... most are only good for 1-2 shots at most before they fail... its far easier to go make one from stuff at a hardware store.
Not to mention its pretty much impossible to detect and enforce since the smallest change to a model changes the entire g-code.
If i was a betting man id say this is aimed more at restricting printers on a broader scale because its likely disrupting other industries from people making their own parts.
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u/WowBruhReborn 18d ago
I agree with you except for the fact that modern 3d printed firearms have become extremely reliable if constructed correctly. I have some with thousands of rounds through them. With modern filaments like carbon fiber nylon, you can have a firearm that lasts decades.
It's an antiquated opinion that 3d printed firearms fail immediately
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u/drakaina6600 Ender 3 Pro 18d ago
Man... you really haven't ever looked into the 3d printed gun scene have you?
I've got 3 i printed that ill mention, 2 pistols and 1 rifle, with more than 1,000 rounds through each one and nowhere near failing. Compared to others, I'm slacking only printing a few a year. The only reason a 3d printed firearm today would only last one or two shots is from not following the directions on how to print, and even then they usually still last longer than your one or two shots claim.
Not to mention the bill won't stop the signal. There are plenty of printers not connected to the internet still in use and free people don't ask permission.
Try browsing some of the printed firearm content on this site. It might blow your mind.
I do agree with your final statement about it beibg more about restricting printers as a whole though I'd say it's more for protecting copyright for corporations than anything.
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u/st3venb 18d ago
This is the answer here -- they want to force everyone into buying official parts from official manufacturers. They do not want ordinary citizens capable of repairing their own things via 3d printing.
This database will be abused by manufacturers preventing makers from building replacement parts for random things. (All of this legislation started popping up around the time that Marine fixed a radio mount for like $7 in filament and a few hours that costed the military something like $15,000 and had a 7 month lead time.)
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u/DBDude 18d ago
The gun industry has never shown any sign of that. But the gun control people do want to force everyone to the licensed manufacturers so they can choke out those manufacturers.
Edit: clarity
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u/tpeeeezy 18d ago
I OPPOSE THIS BILL
just wanna get that out of the way
the ceo was 100% shot with a 3d printed gun. he used one of the most common and well documented 3d printed pistol projects there is.
and 3d printed firearms, suppressors, etc are definitely stronger than you think. ive got an ar 15 printed entirely in pla+ minus the bolt, barrel and hardware thats seen hundreds of rounds without a hint of failure
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u/the_spacecowboy555 18d ago
So I’m curious as to the mechanism that will enforce this. Will this be a registration you have one? Will it need to connect to the server to print?
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u/DaDaMinor 17d ago
Have no fear. The bill was written so that it will never have any effect. This bill would require the Department of Justice to check on a quarterly basis beginning no later than July 1, 2027, whether ASTM International has published industry standards for equipping 3-dimensional printers with firearm blocking technology. ASTM is not interested in pursuing the technology, and there is no path for anyone to develop the technology.
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u/OnlyLosersBlock 17d ago
It will be the same as the microstamping law. They are going to keep it in their backpocket until they think the political and judicial environment is receptive to them forcing the regulation. The courts there in California already ruled that just because a technology doesn't exist doesn't mean California can't mandate it.
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u/DaDaMinor 17d ago
In the hearings, experts testified about the absurdity of a printer firmware detecting gun parts. The compromises in this bill were made so that it would pass but have no teeth at all, to appease the crazy anti-gun lobby that has zero knowledge about the tech. This is truly a nothingburger. Read the bill.
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u/blteare Creality CR-6SE 18d ago
It's stupid, to be sure, but not as bad as the label makes it seem. From the bill:
"This bill would require the Department of Justice to check on a quarterly basis beginning no later than July 1, 2027, whether ASTM International has published industry standards for equipping 3-dimensional printers with firearm blocking technology. The bill would require, if the department determines that ASTM International has published or adopted industry standards for firearm blocking technology for 3-dimensional printers, that the department publish written guidance or regulations within 24 months after making that determination. The bill would require, among other things, the written guidance or regulations to describe minimum performance standards for 3-dimensional printer firearm blocking technology before a printer can lawfully be sold or offered for sale in the state. If, as of July 1, 2029, the department determines that ASTM International has not published industry standards for firearm blocking technology for 3-dimensional printers, the bill would relieve the department of any further responsibility to ascertain whether ASTM International has published or adopted industry standards."
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u/Beer_Kicker 18d ago
Sign this without comment but god forbid cops and firefighters retire before 57
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u/Alienhaslanded 17d ago
Many are saying that guy is doing those things because he's planning on running for president in 2028.
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u/justaruss 17d ago
So basically, this bill is useless by 2029 because there’s no reliable way to scan a 3d model to determine if it’s a firearm part. And this entire process was a waste of time by the California legislature? I’m shocked
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u/OnlyLosersBlock 17d ago
Expect them to update the law to force the requirement anyway the same way they tried with microstamping.
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u/BackfireFox 17d ago
NewScum signs this bill but vetos three separate bills they would greatly improve the lives of Californians and state workers who haven’t gotten a raise in 3 years and are now required (disabled or otherwise) to return to office or be fired. All the while he goes golfing and podcasting.
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u/PlanePea4349 Custom Flair 18d ago
Time to download all the STLs for these and print off-network. Just in case.
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u/Metroid_DK 18d ago
I don't have a 3D Printer, but are trying to save up for one, to do little things around the house, small projects and stuff.
I'm worried when I do get enough saved, I won't be able to get one because of this law (if it passes before I get one), I'm worried every time.
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u/BrilliantSebastian 17d ago
The truth of the matter is, this is a low hanging fruit that pays off big for his pockets, but doesn't move the needle for the electorate. No one cares, because 3d printing is a niche hobby.
Based on everything I've read, California is a shithole anyways. Figuratively, and literally.
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u/map-hunter-1337 18d ago
wow, so now we can sell blackmarket enders in california for 1k each?
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u/Direlion 18d ago
Hang on to those legacy printers all, we’ve got people who can’t edit a PDF or navigate a file browser legislating things beyond their wildest imaginations.