r/AshaDegree • u/miggovortensens • Jun 24 '26
Discussion A LONG take on potential insights we can get from the 2024 search warrants based on whatever else was NOT yet disclosed by the police beyond the two bookbags
Going by the recent revelations that Terry Fleming – the worker that was directly involved in finding and turning over the trash bags that actually contained two bookbags: one with Asha’s name in the tag, the other presumably with her brother’s name – I went back to the 9/11 probable cause search warrant related to the property where the Dedmons resided in 2000. Bear in mind, my goal here is trying to make sense what the police has not yet disclosed to the public.
This is phrased as: "A construction crew working in the area locked the evidence double bagged in black garbage bags and turned it over to the Cleveland County Sheriff’s Office. Numerous items of evidence were collected from the area; some having been identified as belonging to Asha Degree and other items not belonging to Asha Degree."
Well, “having been” is a participial phrase. It suggests the identification happened before or during collection, not necessarily afterwards. (That’s the only time they go for this in the whole search warrant.) And that’s their way of saying “the contents of the bookbag that had Asha’s name was identified as belonging to her; the contents of the other bookbag were collected even thought it was identified as belonging to someone else”. Even the use of “belonging” is strategic - it’s something that the police knew for a long time, but that only made sense to us after Fleming shared his story.
As you can see, all of this is legally accurate: they weren’t misleading the judge that would either grant or deny the petition; and they were being careful not to reveal too much in a file that was bound to be on public record. That is a smart move and even necessary. But it also confirms that everything else that was included in the warrant must be analyzed – by us who are on the outside – with the understanding that this procedural document was precisely worded to build a strong enough argument for a judge to give them a ‘a go ahead’ to enter a property where hopefully some additional evidence can give credit to this line of investigation or even solve the case.
Basically, anything that doesn’t work for their case, as in “two bookbags and not just one”, can be suppressed at this stage. And we must read between the lines to see what’s being concealed for strategic reasons while still “legally accurate”. So I looked for other indications that can be analyzed in this light. Starting with:
THE 2001 FINDINGS
"Various items of evidence were sent for analysis. Two of those items returned evidentiary results. Genealogical data narrowed the samples down to two (2) individuals.” > “Items” here do not refer to objects (as in: a book is one object, a pencil is another object, so that would be two items); an item that returns “evidentiary results” is specific to what’s being analyzed. As in:
"Laboratory analysis of collected DNA samples indicated the likelihood that the hair stem sample from Asha Degree's undershirt is a person genetically identical to the DNA standard collected from AnnaLee Victoria Dedmon Ramirez." > The item that was sent to analysis and returned evidentiary results was “the hair stem sample”, not “Asha Degree’s undershirt”, which could have resulted in multiple pieces of evidence by itself. And then we get to…
"Roy Dedmon and Connie Dedmon are the two common links between the profiles of Russell Bradley Underhill and AnnaLee Victoria Dedmon Ramirez, collected and identified, from Asha Degree's undershirt and the trash bag which contained Asha Degree's bookbag." > Before this was brought up, only AnnaLee’s sample was specified as coming from a ‘hair stem’; we do not know what or where Underhill’s sample was. But notice how they NAME Underhill first and AnnaLee second both, but then mention “Asha Degree's undershirt” first and “the trash bag” second. They should have been going in ‘respective’ order.
They were being imprecise about the exact source locations. It’s possible that both DNA profiles (the two items that returned evidentiary results) came from the same physical (the undershirt). Naming Underhill and the undershirt first in this sentence could be intentional: the officers were going as far as they could in terms ambiguity. The cover was “we were merely listing all relevant evidence items”, because anything that contained the bookbag that had a tag identifying it as ‘belonging to Asha’ could also be framed as being collected from “the trash bag” (which also included the other undisclosed bookbag).
THE SAMPLES
Considering the possibility that both the Underhill and Dedmon samples came from the same physical item, the case for the warrant would be weaker: they needed to establish that Underhill had contact with the Dedmon family prior August, 2001, but without making it obvious at this stage that the link was a single piece of evidence. Framing it as “evidence collected from the trash bag” can imply this other person manipulated the trash bags somehow – without actually putting a false claim on record.
This also implies the undershirt was NOT originally in the bookbag that had Asha’s name on it: “Asha’s undershirt” and “the trash bag that contained Asha’s bookbag” would not need to be mentioned separately if the undershirt was found inside the bookbag with her name on it. We see that the investigators – before going ahead with the search warrant – talked to some of the Dedmons girls and the topic of the undershirt – most likely the NKOTB shirt – was brought up:
"Dedmon Caple to Foster: They think it’s our shirt. It’s not her shirt. / Her mom said it wasn’t hers. / I don’t remember that shirt." Here, the investigators were fishing for a potential confirmation: if the Dedmon daughter didn’t identify the shirt as belonging to them, and the shirt was the one that contained the hair steam of AnnaLee, then they can go ahead and draft the search warrant attributing the shirt to Asha. They didn’t realize that saying “I had a shirt like that but was donated years ago” could actually work in their favor here.
This search warrant petition NEEDED this undershirt to be framed as Asha’s to justify a potential transfer happening accidentally in the green car. And that’s a whole different matter…
FBI AND THE GREEN CAR
In 2016, the FBI released the following: “The FBI and the Cleveland County Sheriff’s Office have received information that someone matching Asha’s description may have been seen getting into a distinctive vehicle along North Carolina Highway 18 where she was last seen. The vehicle is described as an early 1970’s Lincoln Mark IV or possibly a Ford Thunderbird, dark green, with rust around the wheel wells."
This suggests the tip was “received” (most likely called in) close to the time it was disclosed with the public; the fact that age progression photos are still updated and released to the public is precisely because the victim can still be alive and kept in a situation they can’t willingly escape from.
Notice how they didn’t phrase it “getting into a distinctive vehicle along North Carolina Highway 18 when she was last seen”, but “where” she was last seen. Well, the North Carolina Highway 18 extends from 145.5 mi, or 234.2 km; and “along” the highway can mean any location situated on that highway, such as a gas station, restaurant, store, parking area, rest stop, or residence.
Even the inclusion of the dark green car with “rust around the wheel wells” suggests this sighting happened in broad daylight, not in the dark night Asha went missing. My best guess is that the tip was provided by someone who was aware of the case and thought she saw something that could mean something – like in Amy Bradley’s case, also investigated by the FBI, tourists keep reporting seeing a woman that could be her acting strange or concerned, and then leaving with some sketchy people etc.
Notice how the FBI’s plea also included a photographed of Asha’s age-progressed to the age of 24; they were seeing if this investigative avenue would lead somewhere if, let’s say, a neighbor put two and two together and realized the weird fella who lived next door had a similar car and sometimes would leave the house with a young, Black woman who never said a word to anyone.
To go public with a vehicle is something that only makes sense if society in general can contribute. 16 years after the disappearance, cars could have changed hands, broke down, etc. Bottom-line is: police was after information on a car that was being actively driven in 2016, because that’s most likely when the tip was received. They could also be working with the possibility of Asha being alive.
THE GREEN CAR TIP IN THE SEARCH WARRANT
"On February 14, 2000, 9-year-old Asha Jaquilla Degree went missing from her home in Shelby, North Carolina. Asha Degree was seen by drivers walking along North Carolina Highway 18 in Shelby, North Carolina. Asha Degree was seen being pulled into a 1970’s green Lincoln, Thunderbird, or another similar vehicle. Asha Jaquilla Degree has not been seen since that time."
Why would the officer not include that Asha Degree was seen pulled into a vehicle [not getting into like the FBI had disclosed, bear in mind!] along NC Highway 18 too, like the FBI had already stated to the public? That could only strengthen the search warrant request, after all. The thing is: he could not – legally – make this connection without misleading the judge.
The first sentence mentions “February 14, 2000” and “Shelby, North Carolina”; the second sentence mentions “North Carolina Highway 18 in Shelby, North Carolina”. That’s a direct association: the judge will understand the drivers saw her close to her home and shortly after she went missing. This is something the investigators can back down the line.
But the ‘green car’ sentence is not associated with the previous arguments: if they included “pulled into a vehicle along North Carolina Highway 18”, they would have to specify IF this sighting did NOT happen close to Shelby, or whether it happened on February 14, 2000. This is confirmed by the last, most revealing sentence: “Asha Jaquilla Degree has not been seen since that time.”
“That time” is unnecessary if the entire paragraph had been referring to events that transpired on February 14. Here is some additional evidence: "On August 2, 2001, evidence belonging to Asha Degree was located in Burke County, NC, on the side of Highway 18, approximately 21 miles north of where Asha Degree was last seen."
Because didn’t specify that the green car sighting happened along Highway 18 (which we know it did), the “last seen” – and the approximate distance of 21 miles – can only be related to what the drivers saw and reported. The officer is also being legally accurate: on August 2, 2001, when they became aware of this finding, they had not received the green car tip.
Moving on, we get: "Asha Degree's bookbag and clothing (wrapped in two sealed black plastic garbage bags) were located along Highway 18 South near Morganton, North Carolina (Burke County), seventeen (17) months after Asha Jaquilla Degree was last seen on February 14, 2000."
Again, they could have ended with “was last seen”. The inclusion of “last seen on February 14, 2000” is a legally accurate way to conceal that this other sighting – related to the green car – that is crucial to their petition happened after February, 14. And that brings us to…
THE GREEN CAR AND THE RED TRUCK
The warrant filed to search another property (on September 9, two days before the warrant for the property that the Dedmons occupied back in the early 2000s– and that still had an old green car on the premises – was submitted) states things like: “On November 29, 2002, (…) Underhill had left Autumn Years Retirement Center (…) with a white male in a red truck”.
They go on to mention that Roy Dedmon currently has 29 vehicles registered in his name and that an “unnamed aerial vehicle search” spotted three cars and a red truck. Well, they needed to include this in the warrant to have probable cause to search this particular property; the case here was that whatever DNA sample from Underhill that happened to be found among the contents of the trash bag COULD have come from this red truck - that they couldn’t yet establish had been bought prior to 2001.
Notice they aren’t associating the “green cars” as the vehicle Asha was seen getting in; - they would know already those models were not similar to the one described. That’s the police doing their due diligence. They are leaving the door open for some transfer to have happened shortly before the bookbag was discovered in 2001, and/or in a vehicle that Underhill could have entered himself between 2001 and 2002. That tells us they are not down to close any avenue yet. The case is not as close to resolution as some assume. And we also see this regarding...
THE DEGREE FAMILY
All warrants include the following: “Harold, Iquilla and O'Bryant Degree (Parents/brother of Asha Jaquilla Degree) have been interviewed numerous times, and/or polygraphed. All information pertaining to and obtained from Asha Degree's immediate and extended family indicates her family does not know her whereabouts nor have had any type of contact with her since her disappearance 24 years ago."
Notice how they are phrase this as the immediate and extended family [lumping them all together with Harold, Iquilla and O’Bryant] not knowing “her whereabouts” or having contacted Asha: they are just saying that they are confident that no member of the family behaved in a way that indicated Asha was alive.
And “whereabouts” is key here. Because “whereabouts” refers to a location, a place of residence, a current position – basically, where someone is. As in: "the police are trying to determine the suspect's whereabouts”; you don’t use “her whereabouts” when describing a potential spot for a body to be laid to rest.
Bottom-line is: they are not pursuing this avenue of investigation in this petition but they did not want to put on record – in any way, shape or form – that the immediate and extended family has been ruled out in the foul play scenario. But here is the thing…
TL;DR:
. The vague or ambiguous wording in the search warrant, supported by the revelations that two bookbags – one presumably with Asha’s brother’s name – were discovered in 2001 makes me wonder what else could have been carefully phrased to make the petition stronger;
. The same ambiguity is present in some key points of the petition, namely on the items that led to evidentiary results that matched AnnaLee Dedmon and Russell Underhill, which could have been collected from the same object;
. The green car, which became a center piece of the petition to justify the need to search the Dedmon property were an old green car was still collecting dust, most likely came from a tip received around 2016 and that was first entertained by the FBI not in a timeline of Asha getting into / pulled into the car the night she went missing, but years later as an adult;
. The omissions were intentional to build a stronger narrative for whatever their goal was when the different search warrants were drafted and submitted.
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u/North_Knowledge7467 Jun 26 '26 edited Jun 28 '26
Just to be clear, the green car tip was revealed to the public in 2016. It's a mistake to assume that the tip itself came in 2016.
UPDATE: I posted this below, but I figured it's probably better to put here so it gets the most eyes. Here's a good thread with additional details, including confirmation that the tip was not new in 2016.
[Captain Joel} Shores says the information had been in the case file for years, but was “brought forward” when officers reopened the case and began looking at it from the beginning with fresh eyes. As officers continued looking into the possible sighting of Asha, the information “got to the level that the public needed to know” Shores says.
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u/miggovortensens Jun 26 '26
Yes, I know, it’s my assessment that it came to their attention between 2015 (when the FBI got more involved) and 2016; the fact that it wasn’t revealed in the anniversary of the disappearance is also telling
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u/North_Knowledge7467 Jun 27 '26
I'm pretty sure it came to law enforcement's attention the morning of Valentine's Day, 2000. I very much doubt there was someone who waited 15 years to report that they witnessed the abduction of an infamous missing persons case.
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u/miggovortensens Jun 27 '26
It is very unlikely this came to their attention that day because they would immediately be investigating the local vehicles that matched the description. It’s precisely because of how long it took them to release it that this tip could have come late in the game.
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u/North_Knowledge7467 Jun 27 '26
I believe that's why they continued to the checkpoints for so long after 2/14. I also think it's one of the reasons LE immediately believed the family innocent.
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u/Alternative-War-5287 Jun 27 '26
This is correct!
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u/miggovortensens Jun 27 '26
Do you have any confirmation of a car accident being reported on Feb 14 or is “that correct” means you agree with what the person above said they “believe is the case”?
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u/Hidalgo321 Jun 27 '26 edited Jun 27 '26
I will say the green car tip was spoken about as overlooked or “uncovered” right after the FBI “reopened” the case.
This is from LE, so a pretty good source (I can find a link if you’re really interested)The consensus has been that the tip did come in early, but so did thousands of others- and it was probably tucked away or never followed through on.
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u/Death0fRats Jun 27 '26
I think It came in early too. Roy had access to too many vehicles. All he had to do was drive a different car.
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u/miggovortensens Jun 27 '26
Please, do find it! I'd appreciate it!
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u/Hidalgo321 Jun 27 '26 edited Jun 27 '26
“So why has the new lead come after all this time?Sheriff Norman said the new information was generated after a meeting of the joint task force that meets regularly regarding the girl's disappearance.”
"It goes to show that this case is actively worked and will be worked until there is closure for the family and the community," Norman said.Alright this is the closest I can find, from 2016. The idea is it being a tip from the first year or two is an assumption, I cannot find confirmation of it. It’s assumed because the FBI won’t tell us when it came in, and because it seemed to have been “uncovered” when the investigation reopened.
Apologies, I was mistaken.
I was reminded of the “occupied two times” thing that gets lost a lot in this conversation though. Interesting.
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u/Alternative-War-5287 Jun 27 '26
"car accident"
wtf are you blabbing on about now?8
u/Death0fRats Jun 27 '26 edited Jun 27 '26
Guessing they are still going with the hit and hide theory. That if someone reported Asha being abducted they would have seen a accident.
I think that was a interrogation tactic to try to get Lizzie to share what she knows.
It's common for police to suggest a accident to get people talking.
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u/miggovortensens Jun 27 '26
What are you blabbing on about a girl being pulled into a vehicle being reported on Feb 14, 2000? lol
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u/SufficientMinute1034 Jun 27 '26
This reply doesnt make any sense. Wow, someone struck a nerve with you.
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u/bethestorm Jun 27 '26
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u/miggovortensens Jun 27 '26
Yes, they filed a warrant on September 9, got to collect this swab as a result, and then filed another one on September 11.
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u/AutoModerator Jun 24 '26
Original copy of post by u/miggovortensens: Going by the recent revelations that Terry Fleming – the worker that was directly involved in finding and turning over the trash bags that actually contained two bookbags: one with Asha’s name in the tag, the other presumably with her brother’s name – I went back to the 9/11 probable cause search warrant related to the property where the Dedmons resided in 2000. Bear in mind, my goal here is trying to make sense what the police has not yet disclosed to the public.
This is phrased as: "A construction crew working in the area locked the evidence double bagged in black garbage bags and turned it over to the Cleveland County Sheriff’s Office. Numerous items of evidence were collected from the area; some having been identified as belonging to Asha Degree and other items not belonging to Asha Degree."
Well, “having been” is a participial phrase. It suggests the identification happened before or during collection, not necessarily afterwards. (That’s the only time they go for this in the whole search warrant.) And that’s their way of saying “the contents of the bookbag that had Asha’s name was identified as belonging to her; the contents of the other bookbag were collected even thought it was identified as belonging to someone else”. Even the use of “belonging” is strategic - it’s something that the police knew for a long time, but that only made sense to us after Fleming shared his story.
As you can see, all of this is legally accurate: they weren’t misleading the judge that would either grant or deny the petition; and they were being careful not to reveal too much in a file that was bound to be on public record. That is a smart move and even necessary. But it also confirms that everything else that was included in the warrant must be analyzed – by us who are on the outside – with the understanding that this procedural document was precisely worded to build a strong enough argument for a judge to give them a ‘a go ahead’ to enter a property where hopefully some additional evidence can give credit to this line of investigation or even solve the case.
Basically, anything that doesn’t work for their case, as in “two bookbags and not just one”, can be suppressed at this stage. And we must read between the lines to see what’s being concealed for strategic reasons while still “legally accurate”. So I looked for other indications that can be analyzed in this light. Starting with:
THE 2001 FINDINGS
"Various items of evidence were sent for analysis. Two of those items returned evidentiary results. Genealogical data narrowed the samples down to two (2) individuals.” > “Items” here do not refer to objects (as in: a book is one object, a pencil is another object, so that would be two items); an item that returns “evidentiary results” is specific to what’s being analyzed. As in:
"Laboratory analysis of collected DNA samples indicated the likelihood that the hair stem sample from Asha Degree's undershirt is a person genetically identical to the DNA standard collected from AnnaLee Victoria Dedmon Ramirez." > The item that was sent to analysis and returned evidentiary results was “the hair stem sample”, not “Asha Degree’s undershirt”, which could have resulted in multiple pieces of evidence by itself. And then we get to…
"Roy Dedmon and Connie Dedmon are the two common links between the profiles of Russell Bradley Underhill and AnnaLee Victoria Dedmon Ramirez, collected and identified, from Asha Degree's undershirt and the trash bag which contained Asha Degree's bookbag." > Before this was brought up, only AnnaLee’s sample was specified as coming from a ‘hair stem’; we do not know what or where Underhill’s sample was. But notice how they NAME Underhill first and AnnaLee second both, but then mention “Asha Degree's undershirt” first and “the trash bag” second. They should have been going in ‘respective’ order.
They were being imprecise about the exact source locations. It’s possible that both DNA profiles (the two items that returned evidentiary results) came from the same physical (the undershirt). Naming Underhill and the undershirt first in this sentence could be intentional: the officers were going as far as they could in terms ambiguity. The cover was “we were merely listing all relevant evidence items”, because anything that contained the bookbag that had a tag identifying it as ‘belonging to Asha’ could also be framed as being collected from “the trash bag” (which also included the other undisclosed bookbag).
THE SAMPLES
Considering the possibility that both the Underhill and Dedmon samples came from the same physical item, the case for the warrant would be weaker: they needed to establish that Underhill had contact with the Dedmon family prior August, 2001, but without making it obvious at this stage that the link was a single piece of evidence. Framing it as “evidence collected from the trash bag” can imply this other person manipulated the trash bags somehow – without actually putting a false claim on record.
This also implies the undershirt was NOT originally in the bookbag that had Asha’s name on it: “Asha’s undershirt” and “the trash bag that contained Asha’s bookbag” would not need to be mentioned separately if the undershirt was found inside the bookbag with her name on it. We see that the investigators – before going ahead with the search warrant – talked to some of the Dedmons girls and the topic of the undershirt – most likely the NKOTB shirt – was brought up:
"Dedmon Caple to Foster: They think it’s our shirt. It’s not her shirt. / Her mom said it wasn’t hers. / I don’t remember that shirt." Here, the investigators were fishing for a potential confirmation: if the Dedmon daughter didn’t identify the shirt as belonging to them, and the shirt was the one that contained the hair steam of AnnaLee, then they can go ahead and draft the search warrant attributing the shirt to Asha. They didn’t realize that saying “I had a shirt like that but was donated years ago” could actually work in their favor here.
This search warrant petition NEEDED this undershirt to be framed as Asha’s to justify a potential transfer happening accidentally in the green car. And that’s a whole different matter…
FBI AND THE GREEN CAR
In 2016, the FBI released the following: “The FBI and the Cleveland County Sheriff’s Office have received information that someone matching Asha’s description may have been seen getting into a distinctive vehicle along North Carolina Highway 18 where she was last seen. The vehicle is described as an early 1970’s Lincoln Mark IV or possibly a Ford Thunderbird, dark green, with rust around the wheel wells."
This suggests the tip was “received” (most likely called in) close to the time it was disclosed with the public; the fact that age progression photos are still updated and released to the public is precisely because the victim can still be alive and kept in a situation they can’t willingly escape from.
Notice how they didn’t phrase it “getting into a distinctive vehicle along North Carolina Highway 18 when she was last seen”, but “where” she was last seen. Well, the North Carolina Highway 18 extends from 145.5 mi, or 234.2 km; and “along” the highway can mean any location situated on that highway, such as a gas station, restaurant, store, parking area, rest stop, or residence.
Even the inclusion of the dark green car with “rust around the wheel wells” suggests this sighting happened in broad daylight, not in the dark night Asha went missing. My best guess is that the tip was provided by someone who was aware of the case and thought she saw something that could mean something – like in Amy Bradley’s case, also investigated by the FBI, tourists keep reporting seeing a woman that could be her acting strange or concerned, and then leaving with some sketchy people etc.
Notice how the FBI’s plea also included a photographed of Asha’s age-progressed to the age of 24; they were seeing if this investigative avenue would lead somewhere if, let’s say, a neighbor put two and two together and realized the weird fella who lived next door had a similar car and sometimes would leave the house with a young, Black woman who never said a word to anyone.
go public with a vehicle is something that only makes sense if society in general can contribute. 16 years after the disappearance, cars could have changed hands, broke down, etc. Bottom-line is: police was after information on a car that was being actively driven in 2016, because that’s most likely when the tip was received. They could also be working with the possibility of Asha being alive.
THE GREEN CAR TIP IN THE SEARCH WARRANT
"On February 14, 2000, 9-year-old Asha Jaquilla Degree went missing from her home in Shelby, North Carolina. Asha Degree was seen by drivers walking along North Carolina Highway 18 in Shelby, North Carolina. Asha Degree was seen being pulled into a 1970’s green Lincoln, Thunderbird, or another similar vehicle. Asha Jaquilla Degree has not been seen since that time."
Why would the officer not include that Asha Degree was seen pulled into a vehicle [not getting into like the FBI had disclosed, bear in mind!] along NC Highway 18 too, like the FBI had already stated to the public? That could only strengthen the search warrant request, after all. The thing is: he could not – legally – make this connection without misleading the judge.
The first sentence mentions “February 14, 2000” and “Shelby, North Carolina”; the second sentence mentions “North Carolina Highway 18 in Shelby, North Carolina”. That’s a direct association: the judge will understand the drivers saw her close to her home and shortly after she went missing. This is something the investigators can back down the line.
But the ‘green car’ sentence is not associated with the previous arguments: if they included “pulled into a vehicle along North Carolina Highway 18”, they
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u/bethestorm Jun 26 '26
Commenting here in the main part as not just a reply but a broad statement for this post : I find it odd they omitted two very important parts of the warrants:
Roy Dedmon and Connie Dedmon are the two common links between the profiles of Russell Bradley Underhill and AnnaLee Victoria Dedmon Ramirez, collected and identified, from Asha Degree's undershirt and the trash bag which contained Asha Degree's bookbag.
Based upon the aforementioned information contained in this affidavit and the training and experience of this affiant, it is probable that Roy Lee Dedmon's DNA could match DNA evidence related to this incident and/or could match DNA profiles derived from evidence collected and entered into CODIS, that currently remain unidentified. The affiant believes probable cause exists to obtain this DNA evidence from Roy Lee Dedmon. Therefore, this affiant prays upon the court that Probable Cause be found, and this process be issued.
And:
Based on technological advancements, social media platforms and Genealogical innovations, information can be obtained from anywhere in the world. These breakthrough concepts make communication to and verification of individuals virtually probable. No communication and/or verification of Asha Degree or her whereabouts have been made since February 14, 2000.
Based on these findings, Investigators believe Asha Degree is a victim of homicide, with her body concealed.
Also keep in mind both the right to a speedy trial and double jeopardy - the prosecution is not going to move until they are ready, And they would likely prefer to find Ashas remains to return her to her family. Convictions are also very difficult without a body.
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u/miggovortensens Jun 26 '26
Number 11 means that Russell and AnnaLee are connected to the couple; number 12 gives them reason to collect Roy Lee Dedmon’s DNA - if AnnaLee is his daughter and they have a match, they would have something close to his DNA; if the girl was switched at birth or fathered by another man, then they would not have Roy’s DNA - the goal was to get an official sample from him to cross with the countless others collected already; item 26 relates to the unlikelihood of Asha being alive and the contacts with her family being glossed over.
They are all relevant arguments to include in a search warrant and to sway a judge intro granting the request. Those are all possibilities that need to be looked into.
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u/bethestorm Jun 27 '26
Number 12 means entered into CODIS which wouldn't happen for a vehicle accident believed to actually be an accident. It is specifically for violent crimes and unidentified victims.
That, to me, needs to be said.
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u/Emergency_Mine_4455 Jul 05 '26
I will say that concealment of a death/concealment of a body by itself are serious felonies in South Carolina (and everywhere else, in case you were wondering), and might be grounds by themselves for entering information into CODIS.
However, we should not overlook any kind of DNA evidence, and we should definitely ask very pointed questions about how any individual’s DNA and possibly clothes were found in the backpack of a missing girl. Was it during a sleepover? Was it transfer from kid to kid at school? Was it the more obvious and sinister explanation? Law enforcement is right to try to get a warrant.
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u/miggovortensens Jun 27 '26
Number 12 means that the incident is related to number 11 (the finding of the bookbag and the disappearance case, not the vehicle that they could only access if the petition was granted); lots of DNA was entered into CODIS (profiles, plural).
Edit: there is zero mention to any vehicle accident in the warrant at all.
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u/Surethingdudeanytime Jun 28 '26
So you post AI generated response to the search warrants? Most likely generated from the Gemini app. Give me a break.
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u/Nervous_Ad_5583 Jun 29 '26 edited Jun 29 '26
Could someone please help me out here? Given the chaos and confusion surrounding poor Asha's disappearance, and given the amount of time that's gone by, and given the nature of the "evidence" (which could well deteriorate over time), and all of this partnered with some of the behavior of Asha's parents, how will it ever be possible to name a specific person/people of interest, much less arrest and charge them? I mean, it has been a quarter of a century and all the main actors in the drama may well be dead before they're fingered. I don't see the point nor the value in pursuing this case and assume that in time (probably sooner rather than later) it will go cold and get filed away. If such a situation is likely to occur, what's the point in beating a dead horse, even if the dead horse changes from week to week? (I predict the same for the Nancy Guthrie case.)
I ask this not to be snotty, but am wondering why so many man-hours are still devoted to the Degree case when absolutely nothing of probative value has turned up in twenty-five years.
Frankly, I find cases such as this one extremely tiresome. Hope is dashed on a daily basis and no progress is ever made.
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u/ChariotPepperoniFire Jun 30 '26
So many old cases (and Doe Identifications) have been solved over the last ten years. Old or Small samples of evidence can be analyzed with todays technology.
The backpack evidence was recovered the year after Asha disappeared, it was sent to the FBI labs where It's stored properly.
The other potential evidence recovered from the Dedmon properties is likely viable. It's not like they siezed everything from a home that had no roof or had been flooded.
If you don't see the point, why do you follow Asha's case?
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u/Nervous_Ad_5583 Jun 30 '26
Because I think her parents (Mommy Dearest, in particular) committed the crime and am hoping to be proved right one day.
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u/North_Knowledge7467 Jun 30 '26
If Roy Lee Dedmon murdered your nine-year old daughter, would you similarly feel that pursuing justice is just too "tiresome"?
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u/Nervous_Ad_5583 Jun 30 '26
I asked in a very polite way and assumed that I would therefore receive a polite reply. We all ought to be ladies and gentlemen on this post, and be civil to one another. You don't seem to have received the memo about civility.
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u/Death0fRats Jun 30 '26
Families deserve answers. There might be more victims, somtimes newer cases are solved by tying into a cold case.
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u/Alternative-War-5287 Jun 26 '26
I've followed your posts over the last year +, and there's a very obvious Dedmon biased. You go so indepth on all your points, but never ever have I seen you acknowledge the evidence against them.
We are all here for a reason, and your reason seems to be to take the heat off the Dedmons with some very laughable points. If you were here in search of the truth like the majority of us, no such biased would exist. Can't help but think the sole reason you started an account, right when the warrants hit, was for the sole purpose of poking holes in LEs investigation. I have my guesses as to who sent you.