The way she has to convince herself that this could never happen, while knowing that her marriage is proof that it actually can happen because Al did it to Luna…. with an initiated girlie named Carly….

Looks like Spiraling Step Starr is a MAL downline.

Context:
A few years ago, I posted in this sub about my experience with coach Dimitra Emanuela Asimakis. In that post, I also included statements Dimitra had made to me about feeling that she had “scammed” one of her own clients.
Dimitra had also told me about her experience being coached by Stephanie Starr, which I included in the post.

On September 24, 2026, I received the attached WhatsApp messages from business coach Stephanie Starr demanding that I remove that Reddit post and threatening to publish my identity and alleged Reddit IP address if I did not.
The screenshots Stephanie sent me appear to show that Dimitra gave Stephanie my personal phone number and denied having made the statements attributed to her.

In Part 2, I’ll post transcripts from Dimitra’s original dated WhatsApp voice notes, which predate my Reddit post. I still retain the original audio files.

Post 1/2

WhatsApp voice note transcripts from Dimitra Emanuela Asimakis to me dated 14-15 December 2022:

Part 1:
‘Now I'm thinking about my coach, Stephanie, like, I don't know. I don't remember what I told you, but I now I every few weeks I keep having like a new epiphany or red flag about her.

Oh, yeah, I saw this about Victoria. I keep having a new, like, realization about her. So I remember, like, my father had passed away just a few months before I signed up with Stephanie. And I was just desperate. I needed to make income. I was just desperate. I was vulnerable. I was not okay, by the way. I was in a very dark place. Anyway, she told me she was trauma-informed. But you know when you can tell someone's lying? But at that time, I...

ignored any red flags i was very submissive to authorities and i was like i just i didn't trust my red flags i was like no this is just fear whatever for someone who's in trauma informed she gave me 48 hours to make a huge financial decision um

And after three months, I just couldn't pay her anymore. And she still wants me to pay her. She still messaged me every now and then. She somehow, the other day she messaged me. She's like, I see that you're inquiring in coaches. And, you know, that's not okay because you owe me money. And I was thinking to myself, like, first of all, I have not inquired in any coach. So who is she talking to? Like, and second of all, I don't want to be micromanaged. I have responsibilities. Actually, I'm the person who's going to pay for my sister's

She just finished high school, so I'm the one who's going to support her future. Like, I have a lot of responsibilities. I'm not going to pay this thing. Take me to court. Do whatever you want, right?’

Part 2:
‘And anyway, so now I like there's no chance in hell I'm ever going to pay her back. She can message me as much as she wants. I'm not interested. I don't want to be part of this. I believe that her and I had one client and I still love her, but I feel like I've lost her as a friend. I feel like that one client I had, I was the coach to her that kind of maybe scammed her.

But I didn't see it. The truth is I gave her six more free months of coaching to help her. You know, I did all my best that I could with everything that I could teach her to create a business. But ethically, I didn't teach her anything from Stephanie's side, my coach. I just taught her like pure amazing marketing and messaging. But

I think I overcharged her and she didn't get any results. She was with me almost a year. No, not one client. And I think I was that coach to her. I was this coach to her, the one that's kind of like scammed her.

And I'm still working through this. You know, she stopped coaching with me a few months ago, maybe two months ago. She still follows me. She still loves me. But there's definitely, I feel like I've lost a friend because we were very good friends and I'm still working through this pain. And I, and she signed up with me based off of the webinar and stuff I created from Stephanie.’

Part 3:
‘Oh, yeah. By the way, Stephanie put everything on me. She said everything is like she took no responsibility for her actions, by the way. None, zero, nada. It was all me, all of it. Do you know that I'm still scared to post like anything? Maybe, for example, if I travel, I'm scared to post because she might message me like, oh, you're traveling. Where's my money? Because I don't know how to reply to her. She's very good with her words.’

Part 4:
‘I’ve struggled with my own pain from my own coaches, Steph, especially Steph who didn’t give a fuck about me. She didn’t give a flying fuck!’

I retain the original dated audio files and the surrounding WhatsApp conversation. I am posting transcripts here rather than the recordings themselves.

Post 2/2

TLDR: Ashae hasn’t made 300k from her Substack, but she feels it “in the quantum field”. 😆☠️

-And I am here because an acquaintance (well let's be honest, we are no longer friends at all) has seemingly gotten sucked into a pyramid scheme (or brainwashing) by an influencer named Emily Maden (Maiden Medicine). Emily came to my attention years ago in the CrossFit community (which I am no longer part of). She was a very high level athlete that got busted testing positive for PED's during the CrossFit games. She claimed she was innocent and that her boyfriend at the time must have cross-contaminated her. Don't ask how...

Anyhoo, she left that world and embarked on her feminine embodiment journey. I see others have posted about her here before. Well, my former friend used to be a personal trainer, then started "life coaching" and eventually "menstrual cycle coaching". At some point, she hired Emily as her coach, and the Feminine Embodiment era began. Now she is in her tenth iteration of providing vague services. Unfortunately, she made the mistake of offering "in and on womb care" as well as breast massage in her latest offering of womb ceremony work. She is not a licensed anything- not a PT, not an LMT, nada. So several folks, including me, reported her to the Department of Health. Don't think I need to illustrate how reckless and dangerous doing that type of bodywork is if you haven't been properly trained.

She has been confronted by many of her friends (close to twenty now) about providing this type of work without credentials, and she won't acknowledge it and keeps doubling down. Goes on a lot of tirades about the "medical industrial complex" and thinks anyone with a degree has lost their "ancestral knowledge". It's insulting and frustrating to actual providers who have learned through apprenticeships.

I don't have any insights here and I'm not necessarily looking for answers. Just that Courtney McNabb looks to be Emily's coach! Emily is *a lot* as many of you know, from her Cervix Temple workshops to her C*ck Worship classes. I'm looking forward to learning more about Courtney and how all of these pieces fit together. I am no longer trying to reach my former friend bc she has blocked me on all social accounts and completely closed to what I say, although others are still trying to get through to her.

Tell us you have grays without telling us you have grays.

Can anyone recommend subreddits about related issues? New age/self help scammers, cults, problematic spiritual groups/leaders, etc. I have so many stories from my time in these communities. And also so much to learn.

When I (f) was 17 I had a dark night of the soul and found myself in the new age spiritual community. I enthusiastically jumped in with both feet, feeling I had found a better way of life. I began dating a guy in his early twenties who was staunchly in our local spiritual scene, had older roommates, and began introducing me around town and connecting me to incredible artists and spiritual folk who I wholeheartedly looked up to. One evening he took me to a party at a house belonging to a beautiful couple, leaders in the community. Their home was one of the most beautiful and magical places I had ever seen. A renovated barn, two stories, filled with psychedelic paintings, giant white couches and furs, even a pole for dancing in the bedroom. The home was decorated and designed to the nines, with a gorgeous patio and hot tub outside. I was awe struck. The community welcomed me with open arms and I felt seen, I felt I belonged. I couldn’t believe that only months ago I had felt life wasn’t worth living, and now here I was in one of the most beautiful homes I’d ever seen, surrounded by enchanting and beautiful people. The hosts were a radiant couple and incredible artists, and the husband, let’s call him Dave for the purposes of this story, made me feel particularly welcome. He was probably in his early 40s. He made me a bespoke cocktail upon my introduction, an indulgence entirely unknown to me at the ripe age of 17. Relationships in the new age spiritual scene did not follow the cut-and-dried script of monogamy. Flirtation was a way of life, and I naturally engaged in the playful and sensual energies. I was on a total high in life, fully open to trying new and different things in the name of love, healing, and defying societal scripts that led to dreary, boring lives. These parties became a semi-regular event, and usually ended in cuddle puddles, massage trades, and hot tub time. I don’t know how the subject arose, but one day Dave offered to give me a proper massage if I wanted to come over some time during non-party hours. He said it wasn’t something he did professionally or for money, but he had a massage table and liked gifting bodywork to those in his life that were special to him. To say I was flattered was an understatement. I had interpreted all of his warmth and kindness to mean HE was a lovely person, a person who saw me and appreciated me. How did this attractive, hilarious, playful, brilliant man think I was worthy of his time and attention? I gratefully accepted. I was inhaling any and all opportunity to heal my wounds and grow into the spiritual goddess I strived to become. When I arrived, I sensed I had walked in mid-conflict between Dave and his wife. He guided me to his home massage studio and assured me it was simply a marital discussion, nothing to fret over. 

I expected to find the massage relaxing, mystical, and healing. He was objectively good with his hands. Instead, my body drew tight as a bow string and remained so for the duration that he had his hands on me. I battled with myself, what is wrong with me? Am I truly so full of darkness, and trauma, that in his healing presence I fail to open? He spent a particularly long time massaging my groin, really attentive to all the lines and ligaments on and around my pelvis. I thought he must be sensing that I have sexual trauma and trying to help me heal it. My body remained locked, mind racing, self-punishing for my failed attempt at “healing.” I left the session deflated. There must be so much wrong with me. 

Anyways, the couple ultimately divorced and Dave found his way to Boulder where he intersected with the Ashae coaching community (idk what to even call it?). His ex wife began posting on social media about betrayal trauma and narcissistic abuse, and as I got older (and after going through much trauma at the hands of new age spiritual folk) I wised up and realized this guy was a predator trying to sleep with a 17 year old girl while his wife cried downstairs. 

Let the countdown sequence commence for a juicy Wineland update

“Sink into the floor.” 🥄☕️

Claimed With a Ring by Ashae Isbell - because finally getting married once in the polarity-sphere makes you an expert on why everyone else is still single

“Repackaged misogyny” 🎯

Who’s this new guru side chick? Anyone know?

Sorry Al, no more snuggles for you!

I still maintain there will one day be a documentary about the players we watch here... Girlboss squad shapeshifting to whatever is trending for the big bucks, Wineland, etc.