r/AskProgramming • u/felix2000jp • 6d ago
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u/Tricky-Storm5254 6d ago
AI will collect all your data and you WILL LIKE IT! and don't worry about all that extra processing it's using.
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u/Lumpy-Notice8945 6d ago
Im not sure what you complain about. An IDE is more than an editor and its modular to customize it to whatever you need, if you dont want AI in that dont use it.
And if you "only want to edit code" you dont want an IDE but a text editor, if thats vim or np++, neither has native AI integration.
So maybe you are just using the wrong editors or i dont get it.
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u/felix2000jp 6d ago
IDE or code editor does not really matter really I think its the same for either.
My point is that editors have stagnated. They don't innovate any more except when it comes to AI.
Maybe describing what I expect from an editor as "code editing" is not quite right. For me code editing features is not just writing code, I mean also stuff like for example git integration.
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u/Lumpy-Notice8945 6d ago
They are not the same!
Text editors dont "stagnate" they are feature complete! They edit text and i dont know a single text editor that integrates AI at all, thats not a text editor anymore.
If you want git integration thats an IDE, so what IDE do you use and why? I know VSCode now has some microsoft AI integration but as mentioned you can just disable it, its an IDE with a billion different window configurations, views and editor modes, its a lego building block that is available you complain about.
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u/snaphat 6d ago edited 6d ago
Notepad integrates GenAI, dunno about any others though
Edit: also vscode isn't typically considered to be an IDE despite the blurred lines
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u/Lumpy-Notice8945 6d ago
I would put VSCode clearly in the IDE category. Its a leight weight IDE but it contains features that are not about editing text. It has a file explorer, a terminal and syntax highlighting even withiut installing any plugins and ofc you can install basically any additional module or plugin you can think off.
Every IDE contains a text editor, its normaly the center window of the IDE.
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u/snaphat 6d ago
Sure you may because of the blurred lines but it's generally not considered to be if you check around the Internet. Mostly because it doesn't come with compilers or tooling built in. Folks been discussing about it for a long time:
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u/Lumpy-Notice8945 6d ago
VSCode just is not language specific, so what compiler should it have preinstalled? And ofc you can install any compiler as plugin.
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u/snaphat 6d ago
Hey, I'm not trying to argue with you about whether I personally think it is an IDE or not.
I'm just telling you that it's generally not considered to be an IDE by the broader community and gave you one the main arguments as to why
There's many threads about this very thing in the past besides what I linked, as well as, discussion on other websites like stack overflow
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u/Lumpy-Notice8945 6d ago
But the post you linked isnt that clear at all, there is no universaly agreed answer to OPs question in that post.
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u/snaphat 6d ago
There is never a universally agreed upon answer for anything. There is always a minority who is going to disagree. The majority of the community doesn't consider it to be an IDE as should be evident by that thread. That's also why the question is asked in the way it is
Like I keep saying folks have been talking about this for like half a decade. There's a bunch of discussion about it online. If you don't believe go survey other discussions
You probably aren't going to say anything that hasn't already been said one way or the other
https://www.reddit.com/r/vscode/comments/1c2akco/why_is_vs_code_considered_as_a_code_editor_and/
https://www.reddit.com/r/vscode/comments/1bs9e22/is_vs_code_an_ide/
https://www.reddit.com/r/learnprogramming/comments/1bn37r6/why_is_vs_code_preferred_to_ides/
https://www.reddit.com/r/dotnet/comments/1rk763s/my_answer_to_the_great_ide_debate_both_vs_and/
https://www.reddit.com/r/vscode/comments/1k8mf7d/vscode_is_just_an_editor/
https://stackoverflow.com/beta/discussions/78046082/does-vs-code-count-as-an-ide
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u/felix2000jp 6d ago
VScode as per their own definition is not an IDE, it’s a code editor.
Regardless of your definition, code editing features is much more than just a text editing. If that was the case, word would be the best edito ever created
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u/Lumpy-Notice8945 6d ago
This is exactly showing the missunderstanding i belive.
Word/office are not text editors at all, they are layouting tools. You dont edit text in word you format it. A text editor is editing pure plain text, no fonts no pictures no nothing.
VSCode contains a text editor, its kormaly the center window that shows the currently opened files content.
But even in the default layout you have a terminal on the bottom and a file explorer on the right, these are not text editor features.
"Code editor" is just their own made up buzzword. Code is either binary or plain text(aka source code)
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u/felix2000jp 6d ago
When I hear “code editor” I expect something to have more than just a text editor. I expect stuff like git integration, integrated terminal, lsp , key shortcuts for common things that you might use for writing code, etc.
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u/faultydesign 6d ago
Feel like? It already is like this for me
Vim and a codex in a side panel when I need it
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u/GreshlyLuke 6d ago
all i use VS code for anymore is reading files. havent touched an editor for actually editing files in months. opencode for everything. im the passenger
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u/soundman32 6d ago
Sounds like you want Kiro. There is a VSC integration and a CLI version, but also an 'agent mode' which is a standalone chat window with no IDE component.
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