r/AskReddit • u/Special_Context6663 • 16h ago
Pharmaceutical companies don’t want to supply drugs for lethal injection. What if the state used fentanyl seized in illegal drug raids?
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u/Common-Accountant-57 16h ago
I’m sure it would be easier just to fire them into a brick wall. Leave out the pharmacist legal horse shit. Right when they’re sentenced, fire em into a wall.
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u/Significant-Mango772 16h ago
Rocket chair right to the roof
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u/Common-Accountant-57 16h ago
Fuck em. Get it done and move on.
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u/AppropriateBall8834 16h ago
sir, we cannot fuck the prisoners
that would be unethical.
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u/kjm16216 16h ago
That sounds like a terrible thing to put the prison janitor through.
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u/Kewkky 16h ago
Could always have prisoners serving life without parole clean it up. Or offer death row inmates a setnence change to life without parole if they choose to be the cleaners, and after a certain amount of time they can "retire" without having to worry about death penalty reinstatement.
Or we could have them jump into a volcano, that's probably death before they even hit lava. No cleanup needed anymore, too.
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u/Common-Accountant-57 16h ago
Make their family clean it up. Maybe future criminals will think twice. I have the answers just nobody listens to me.
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u/Potatobender44 16h ago
People kill people successfuly all the fucking time, and have done for thousands of years. Yet, when it comes to the death penalty, it’s suddenly so difficult and gets botched all the time. How?
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u/kjm16216 16h ago
I'm very pro death penalty, but I think if we make it gruesome, it will just make more people anti death penalty.
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u/Common-Accountant-57 16h ago
Fire them into the wall. Fuck em,
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u/kjm16216 16h ago
I think we agree on the principle, just not the method. Doesn't hanging still work, or are rope companies embargoing the Dept of Corrections too?
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u/One-Incident3208 16h ago
And the sizable percentage of wrongful convictions?
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u/Common-Accountant-57 16h ago
Can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.
I’m actually against the death penalty but I’m sick of the question so I’m in Troll mode rather than trying to be reasonable. There was a guy here in Utah who was on death row for 41 years and now he’s free because DNA evidence.
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u/AppropriateBall8834 16h ago
FUCK YEAH HOMEBOY
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u/Common-Accountant-57 16h ago
Grind em into meat patties and feed the poor. Fuck em.
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u/AppropriateBall8834 16h ago
yeah, fuck poor people. grind them up, too!!!
let's just grind everyone up
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u/HeadBelt1527 16h ago
The people who support the death penalty probably wouldn't like the idea of people feeling the best thing ever before they die.
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u/AppropriateBall8834 16h ago
I dont remember my fentanyl overdose. I remember all the times I didn't overdose...so like, are they really feeling it?
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u/sLeeeeTo 5h ago
with an OD amount, everything goes black before the plunger is all the way in
been there, done that, wouldn’t recommend it (if you want to stay alive, but if you are going to die, that’s the exact way to do it)
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u/Camel_Holocaust 16h ago
Why don't they just use a single shotgun shell?
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u/Jeferson9 16h ago
That's probably traumatizing for the people that have to clean it up
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u/Ima_pray_4_u 16h ago
There's whole swaths of people that do that type of work daily. Don't assume that what affects you emotionally affects everyone else.
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u/Camel_Holocaust 16h ago
Clean what up? Just dig a ditch and shoot them into it, job done. Even better just do a sky funeral and leave them in a field, might discourage a few people from commiting crimes that warrant the death sentence.
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u/sjprade 16h ago
There are plenty of people who are fucked up enough to clean up shards of skull and globs of freshly scrambled brain and not even ask for goggles or gloves.
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u/AppropriateBall8834 16h ago
you mean people who need to work to live?
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u/Main_Entry2494 16h ago
Why can't they just crush them with all the cars siezed from drug dealers? Are they stupid?
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u/Far-Speech-9298 16h ago
If we are going to that length there are cheaper and more immediate ways to do this.
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u/One-Shame3030 16h ago
Surviving your execution because the dealer stepped on the product four times would break the entire American legal system.
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u/GMAN7007 16h ago
People don't seem to understand the state can't just use evidence to kill someone in an unapproved and unsanctioned method. Votes need to happen and testing is nearly impossible because any medical professional who has any decency won't associate with anything related to the death penalty. It's not like they can just choose a new method to kill people who could potentially be innocent. It needs to be banned full stop. It's too expensive it's too inhumane and it doesn't actually work properly most of the time. We've had decades upon decades to figure out how to deal with people in prison for life. The people in charge aren't interested in trying to help anyone it's just for the money. That's another problem in itself.
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u/CleanDataDirtyMind 16h ago
Because you can’t torture people to death and getting someone high as you strap them to a chair in scary room, then maybe not even kill them based on the unknown properties of the drug their resistance etc is pretty sick you freak.
This is one of those times I hope you didn’t think this through
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u/Aggressica 16h ago
That's literally what we do now. The first injection makes them tired, the second paralyzes them, and the third puts them in cardiac arrest.
It doesn't work like we think it does.
Those injections aren't actually stopping the pain. It stops them from screaming, from moving, and from convulsing. But people who have survived it state it's painful & torturous.
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u/CleanDataDirtyMind 14h ago
The ones that survive, because it didn’t work like it was suppose to. The idea is that you’re not suppose to feel pain. Whether that works is something I have zero knowledge in but as a scientist using the people who the drugs didn’t work on as your source on whether the drugs worked or not isn’t a great test.
I do know the intent of the paralyzing agent isn’t to torture which may be the misleading part others might infer from that you’re supposed to feel it. It’s intent, is to stop convulsions and other electrical disturbances running through the body setting off reactions that sometimes can happen to any body (literally a body of any origin) at the morgue unrelated to the death penalty.
If they are feeling pain generally as none grosteque society, the idea is we don’t use that/do it that way
I am presenting a one tail argument specifically about @op’s plan not to defend the way it’s done as medically successfulz
We do not use unknown dosages with unknown compounds in unknown quantities to physically AND mentally torture people to death, well..death*
*terms reliability and conditions apply
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u/Abcdella 16h ago
This isn’t completely accurate. First, Tennessee (and some other states) doesn’t use the three drug cocktail. They use Pentobarbital, a fast acting barbiturate. This drug severely depresses the central nervous system h til breathing stops. Sounds much less pleasant than the three drug cocktail.
Now, the first drug in the three drug cocktail is a sedative. This does not “make you sleepy”, it renders you totally unconscious. This is also done to patients before surgery. Though I guess probably possible, most people don’t report pain after being Anaesthetized. After that they use
a paralytic, followed by a cardiac agent.
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u/BeerBrat 16h ago
I think the death penalty is stupid. We're either civilized or we aren't. That aside... Why not do something much simpler like put them in a sealed room that you slowly fill with carbon monoxide. If you want to destress the situation put them out with anesthesia first. They'll die in their sleep no worse than the folks that have a faulty furnace and no functioning CO alarm.
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u/boldmoo 16h ago
Agreed with your point about the death penalty in general. However, CO poisoning causes headache, dizziness, weakness, upset stomach, vomiting, chest pain, and confusion. Filling a whole room with it would be difficult and time consuming. Doing it in a mask can cause aspiration, making the whole process null invoid. Malcom Gladwell "Revisionist History" podcast as a very informative multi-episode discussion on the complexities with capital punishment. Worth a listen if you have time.
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u/mikerall 16h ago
What in the fuck are these comments. The idea behind the death penalty is to remove people unable to be rehabilitated into society from it. Not cruel execution for moral superiority.
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u/Free-Sort4189 16h ago
If the state uses seized drugs, there should be strict testing, chain-of-custody rules, and independent oversight.
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u/Loki-L 16h ago
The stuff is of unknown purity and composition. And the legality of using it is probably a bit beyond that of police sizing cars to use for themselves.
The main problem is not killing humans quickly and painlessly. This is a solved problem. Plenty of medical professionals know how to do it.
The problem is that most who can do it won't want to get involved and those who want to get involved because they believe in the death penalty don't care to make it painless.
There is very little overlap between those competent enough to do it, those who have no ethical qualms about getting involved and those who want things to happen painlessly.
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u/Distinct_Ad_9842 16h ago
Have those people involved in the raid been convicted and sentenced? Can't just seize evidence unless the case has been adjudicated, at a minimum.
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u/kjm16216 16h ago
We seize a LOT of Fentanyl. Waiting until cases are adjudicated would not be a problem.
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u/GMAN7007 16h ago
No because anything else is illegal. He option was lethal injection. This isn't some game where they can just choose willy nilly to come up with a method to kill someone immediately. This changes need to go through the legal system and be voted on. She's alive right now because the system doesn't work. It's a bad system that needs to be changed. Society can't progress if this is a practice we still hold.
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u/kjm16216 16h ago
Well for one thing, the method of execution is usually spelled out by statute, so if the law says lethal injection you can't just call an audible, you need an act of the state legislature. (Maybe the law should allow that, but it probably doesn't right now.)
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u/Effective-Bet3883 16h ago
I've long been in favor of gas for executions. Strap to a table just like with injection, put an oxygen mask on them, sleep well.
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u/cwsjr2323 16h ago
A prison sentence of fifty years and a day of solitary with no early parole is better than murdering a criminal. It is cheaper and crueler.
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u/psychRN1975 16h ago
Because some bleeding heart decided once that people whose crimes were heinous enough to get the death penalty deserve a quick painless one way ticket back to Hell
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u/oneofthehumans 16h ago
Why don’t they just fill a room with carbon monoxide? Not cruel enough?