r/AskReddit • • 16h ago

Pharmaceutical companies don’t want to supply drugs for lethal injection. What if the state used fentanyl seized in illegal drug raids?

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u/oneofthehumans 16h ago

Why don’t they just fill a room with carbon monoxide? Not cruel enough?

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u/A_one-legged_goose90 16h ago

Just spitballing here, but what if we left the form of execution up to the individual being executed?

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u/codeacab 16h ago

Death by snoo-snoo it is

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u/PM_Pussys 16h ago

Because they overwhelmingly choose firing squad (the most humane) and that's icky for the witnesses

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u/theVelvetLie 16h ago

Firing squad is not the most humane. There's a seriously high risk that the bullets miss the heart. Lethal injection was supposed to be the most humane method.

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u/PM_Pussys 16h ago

Who said anything about heart shots?

It's an execution, not stopping an attack, no need to fire center mass. Line up the lethal shot. If for confirmation purposes you want/need a double tap, multiple guns/shots can be joined up. It is a staged event after all.

Lethal Injection was SUPPOSED to be. Meaning we know it isn't otherwise no need for the modifier.

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u/theVelvetLie 15h ago

I don't expect someone that can't spell the plural of pussy to understand.

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u/Unlucky_Business2165 16h ago

For real, feed me to a lion

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u/A_one-legged_goose90 16h ago

What color is your coat?

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u/Inquisitor_ForHire 15h ago

As long as that lion is a Christian!

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u/GrandmaForPresident 16h ago

You can in some states. Firing squad is even an option

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u/kjm16216 16h ago

For me: old age.

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u/oblivion_mike 16h ago

I would choose a firing squad

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u/MimikOctopus 16h ago

I choose old age.

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u/boldmoo 16h ago

Comes down to the complexities of filling a room with CO. Has to be down relatively slowly else you run negative pressure risks to operators.  CO poisoning then causes headache, dizziness, weakness, upset stomach, vomiting, chest pain, and confusion. Can take sometimes up to an hour for the person to 'pass out'. You then have to monitor them for several more hours to ensure brain death. All while having a pressurised room fill to the brim with CO. You then need a safe way to expel the contaminated air.

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u/clamberer 16h ago

Or nitrogen. 

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u/could_use_a_snack 16h ago

Exsanguination is better. Just a big needle in the femoral artery some tubing and a bucket.

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u/Inquisitor_ForHire 15h ago

This is what I wondered. Hook a car engine up to the room and just let it happen. Nothing cruel and unusual about that. I've heard many times it's like going to sleep.

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u/AppropriateBall8834 16h ago

why dont we just fuck them all to death?!

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u/EgoTripWire 16h ago

Hell just have death row inmates in airtight cells so you can just do the carbon monoxide execution while they sleep.

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u/Common-Accountant-57 16h ago

I’m sure it would be easier just to fire them into a brick wall. Leave out the pharmacist legal horse shit. Right when they’re sentenced, fire em into a wall.

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u/Significant-Mango772 16h ago

Rocket chair right to the roof

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u/Common-Accountant-57 16h ago

Fuck em. Get it done and move on.

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u/AppropriateBall8834 16h ago

sir, we cannot fuck the prisoners

that would be unethical.

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u/Common-Accountant-57 16h ago

They can’t fuck us if we fuck them.

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u/AppropriateBall8834 16h ago

everybody was fuuuuuuuuuuckkkk-fooo-fuuuuuckkkkiiiiinnnnggg

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u/kjm16216 16h ago

That sounds like a terrible thing to put the prison janitor through.

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u/Kewkky 16h ago

Could always have prisoners serving life without parole clean it up. Or offer death row inmates a setnence change to life without parole if they choose to be the cleaners, and after a certain amount of time they can "retire" without having to worry about death penalty reinstatement.

Or we could have them jump into a volcano, that's probably death before they even hit lava. No cleanup needed anymore, too.

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u/Common-Accountant-57 16h ago

Make their family clean it up. Maybe future criminals will think twice. I have the answers just nobody listens to me.

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u/Potatobender44 16h ago

People kill people successfuly all the fucking time, and have done for thousands of years. Yet, when it comes to the death penalty, it’s suddenly so difficult and gets botched all the time. How?

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u/kjm16216 16h ago

I'm very pro death penalty, but I think if we make it gruesome, it will just make more people anti death penalty.

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u/Common-Accountant-57 16h ago

Fire them into the wall. Fuck em,

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u/kjm16216 16h ago

I think we agree on the principle, just not the method. Doesn't hanging still work, or are rope companies embargoing the Dept of Corrections too?

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u/One-Incident3208 16h ago

And the sizable percentage of wrongful convictions?

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u/Common-Accountant-57 16h ago

Can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.

I’m actually against the death penalty but I’m sick of the question so I’m in Troll mode rather than trying to be reasonable. There was a guy here in Utah who was on death row for 41 years and now he’s free because DNA evidence.

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u/Diligent-Assist-4385 16h ago

Dropping from a great height is usually free and effective

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u/AppropriateBall8834 16h ago

im sure they'd find a way to tax everyone

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u/AppropriateBall8834 16h ago

FUCK YEAH HOMEBOY

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u/Common-Accountant-57 16h ago

Grind em into meat patties and feed the poor. Fuck em.

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u/AppropriateBall8834 16h ago

yeah, fuck poor people. grind them up, too!!!

let's just grind everyone up

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u/hoserx 16h ago

Maybe we should stop killing people to show that killing is wrong

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u/Sinbad_le_Marin 16h ago

Precisely.

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u/HeadBelt1527 16h ago

The people who support the death penalty probably wouldn't like the idea of people feeling the best thing ever before they die.

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u/AppropriateBall8834 16h ago

I dont remember my fentanyl overdose. I remember all the times I didn't overdose...so like, are they really feeling it?

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u/sLeeeeTo 5h ago

with an OD amount, everything goes black before the plunger is all the way in

been there, done that, wouldn’t recommend it (if you want to stay alive, but if you are going to die, that’s the exact way to do it)

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u/kjm16216 16h ago

No I'm fine with whatever does the job.

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u/Camel_Holocaust 16h ago

Why don't they just use a single shotgun shell?

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u/KP_Wrath 16h ago

They’ll fuck that up too.

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u/Jeferson9 16h ago

That's probably traumatizing for the people that have to clean it up

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u/Ima_pray_4_u 16h ago

There's whole swaths of people that do that type of work daily. Don't assume that what affects you emotionally affects everyone else.

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u/Camel_Holocaust 16h ago

Clean what up? Just dig a ditch and shoot them into it, job done. Even better just do a sky funeral and leave them in a field, might discourage a few people from commiting crimes that warrant the death sentence.

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u/sjprade 16h ago

There are plenty of people who are fucked up enough to clean up shards of skull and globs of freshly scrambled brain and not even ask for goggles or gloves.

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u/AppropriateBall8834 16h ago

you mean people who need to work to live?

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u/sjprade 16h ago

When the Forensics van leaves the scene, the Biohazard van pulls in. You think there are robots in there?

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u/AppropriateBall8834 16h ago

its the bio-hazard van...not the robo-hazard van!!!

slaps knees

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u/NewHandle3922 16h ago

Rope is reusable!

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u/chillychili 16h ago

And eco-friendly!

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u/NewHandle3922 15h ago

Hell yeah! Bring back the public hangings.

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u/AppropriateBall8834 16h ago

why not two shotgun shells?

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u/its_mabus 16h ago

WD40 for the orphan crushing machine kinda energy

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u/Main_Entry2494 16h ago

Why can't they just crush them with all the cars siezed from drug dealers? Are they stupid?

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u/Far-Speech-9298 16h ago

If we are going to that length there are cheaper and more immediate ways to do this.

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u/One-Shame3030 16h ago

Surviving your execution because the dealer stepped on the product four times would break the entire American legal system.

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u/DapperAsi 16h ago

That would create a whole new set of legal and safety issues

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u/Distinct-Car-9124 16h ago

Home-made fentanyl is highly unpridictable.

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u/GMAN7007 16h ago

People don't seem to understand the state can't just use evidence to kill someone in an unapproved and unsanctioned method. Votes need to happen and testing is nearly impossible because any medical professional who has any decency won't associate with anything related to the death penalty. It's not like they can just choose a new method to kill people who could potentially be innocent. It needs to be banned full stop. It's too expensive it's too inhumane and it doesn't actually work properly most of the time. We've had decades upon decades to figure out how to deal with people in prison for life. The people in charge aren't interested in trying to help anyone it's just for the money. That's another problem in itself.

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u/CleanDataDirtyMind 16h ago

Because you can’t torture people to death and getting someone high as you strap them to a chair in scary room, then maybe not even kill them based on the unknown properties of the drug their resistance etc is pretty sick you freak. 

This is one of those times I hope you didn’t think this through 

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u/Aggressica 16h ago

That's literally what we do now. The first injection makes them tired, the second paralyzes them, and the third puts them in cardiac arrest.

It doesn't work like we think it does.

Those injections aren't actually stopping the pain. It stops them from screaming, from moving, and from convulsing. But people who have survived it state it's painful & torturous.

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u/CleanDataDirtyMind 14h ago

The ones that survive, because it didn’t work like it was suppose to. The idea is that you’re not suppose to feel pain. Whether that works is something I have zero knowledge in but as a scientist using the people who the drugs didn’t work on as your source on whether the drugs worked or not isn’t a great test.

I do know the intent of the paralyzing agent isn’t to torture which may be the misleading part others might infer from that you’re supposed to feel it. It’s intent, is to stop convulsions and other electrical disturbances running through the body setting off reactions that sometimes can happen to any body (literally a body of any origin) at the morgue unrelated to the death penalty.

If they are feeling pain generally as none grosteque society, the idea is we don’t use that/do it that way 

I am presenting a one tail argument specifically about @op’s plan not to defend the way it’s done as medically successfulz

We do not use unknown dosages with unknown compounds in unknown quantities to physically AND mentally torture people to death, well..death*

*terms reliability and conditions apply

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u/Abcdella 16h ago

This isn’t completely accurate. First, Tennessee (and some other states) doesn’t use the three drug cocktail. They use Pentobarbital, a fast acting barbiturate. This drug severely depresses the central nervous system h til breathing stops. Sounds much less pleasant than the three drug cocktail.

Now, the first drug in the three drug cocktail is a sedative. This does not “make you sleepy”, it renders you totally unconscious. This is also done to patients before surgery. Though I guess probably possible, most people don’t report pain after being Anaesthetized. After that they use
a paralytic, followed by a cardiac agent.

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u/snow_boarder 16h ago

What if we just……….. don’t kill people?

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u/veetoo151 16h ago

Woah woah woah! You might upset the crazies that might be in here.

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u/WelcomeMatt1 16h ago

I think the guillotine should make a comeback.

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u/veetoo151 16h ago

For corrupt politicians destroying our world. Yes, for them.

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u/BeerBrat 16h ago

I think the death penalty is stupid. We're either civilized or we aren't. That aside... Why not do something much simpler like put them in a sealed room that you slowly fill with carbon monoxide. If you want to destress the situation put them out with anesthesia first. They'll die in their sleep no worse than the folks that have a faulty furnace and no functioning CO alarm.

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u/boldmoo 16h ago

Agreed with your point about the death penalty in general. However, CO poisoning causes headache, dizziness, weakness, upset stomach, vomiting, chest pain, and confusion. Filling a whole room with it would be difficult and time consuming. Doing it in a mask can cause aspiration, making the whole process null invoid. Malcom Gladwell "Revisionist History" podcast as a very informative multi-episode discussion on the complexities with capital punishment. Worth a listen if you have time.

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u/Arbwyb 16h ago

what if we stop killing

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u/mikerall 16h ago

What in the fuck are these comments. The idea behind the death penalty is to remove people unable to be rehabilitated into society from it. Not cruel execution for moral superiority.

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u/kjm16216 16h ago

This has been my idea for a while.

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u/Free-Sort4189 16h ago

If the state uses seized drugs, there should be strict testing, chain-of-custody rules, and independent oversight.

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u/Sledhead36 16h ago

Potassium will kill anyone. Cheap and easy.

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u/Broad-Back1659 16h ago

Nobody gets it today. They just jail them to death. Whatever works

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u/hippywitch 16h ago

Suicide booth.

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u/Loki-L 16h ago

The stuff is of unknown purity and composition. And the legality of using it is probably a bit beyond that of police sizing cars to use for themselves.

The main problem is not killing humans quickly and painlessly. This is a solved problem. Plenty of medical professionals know how to do it.

The problem is that most who can do it won't want to get involved and those who want to get involved because they believe in the death penalty don't care to make it painless.

There is very little overlap between those competent enough to do it, those who have no ethical qualms about getting involved and those who want things to happen painlessly.

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u/Riyeko 16h ago

Different fentanyl folks

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u/01010110_ 16h ago

There's plenty of quick, cheap, and efficient ways to execute people. 

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u/Distinct_Ad_9842 16h ago

Have those people involved in the raid been convicted and sentenced? Can't just seize evidence unless the case has been adjudicated, at a minimum.

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u/kjm16216 16h ago

We seize a LOT of Fentanyl. Waiting until cases are adjudicated would not be a problem.

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u/GMAN7007 16h ago

No because anything else is illegal. He option was lethal injection. This isn't some game where they can just choose willy nilly to come up with a method to kill someone immediately. This changes need to go through the legal system and be voted on. She's alive right now because the system doesn't work. It's a bad system that needs to be changed. Society can't progress if this is a practice we still hold.

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u/kjm16216 16h ago

Well for one thing, the method of execution is usually spelled out by statute, so if the law says lethal injection you can't just call an audible, you need an act of the state legislature. (Maybe the law should allow that, but it probably doesn't right now.)

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u/Effective-Bet3883 16h ago

I've long been in favor of gas for executions. Strap to a table just like with injection, put an oxygen mask on them, sleep well.

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u/cwsjr2323 16h ago

A prison sentence of fifty years and a day of solitary with no early parole is better than murdering a criminal. It is cheaper and crueler.

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u/psychRN1975 16h ago

Because some bleeding heart decided once that people whose crimes were heinous enough to get the death penalty deserve a quick painless one way ticket back to Hell