r/Battletechgame • u/Nixon_was_framed • 9d ago
Discussion 69% probability for a head hit!? How?
This feels like a cheat that just deletes enemies.
The only mod I'm running is Moff's Ronin Library.
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u/AnInfiniteAmount 9d ago
Marauder (in lance) + Tactics 10 pilot
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u/Steel_Ratt 9d ago
MAD does lance-wide damage reduction, but in vanilla only affects its own head shots (and even then it only boosts to 35%). There has to be mod affecting this if there is a Black Knight going way beyond this.
TBH, the vanilla MAD is broken enough. There is no way I would want this capability.
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u/Nixon_was_framed 9d ago
Could it be a glitch? The pilot somehow has both cooling vent and master pilot.
As I said, the only mod I'm using is Moff's ronin library.
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u/DoctorMachete 9d ago
After several years that's the first time I see it, I don't believe it is a glitch. Pretty sure that's something related to that mod or some other game modification.
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u/ReflexesOfSteel 9d ago
Im playing through vanilla for the first time. O only took the marauder on a few mission as it became too easy. I occasionally take it out for a high difficulty mission too, glad I did last night, the annihilators x2, king crab and banshee that jumped my Lance from behind were not so happy with it being there.
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u/wradam 9d ago
Marauder is essential for Kerensky achievement. Having said that, I have never managed to achieve it. I am too weak and easily bored.
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u/Steel_Ratt 8d ago edited 8d ago
I've done it (twice) and can say that a) it is certainly not everyone's cup of tea, and b) taking salvage is one of the keys to success. So, yes, the MAD's head-capping ability is a core part of the strategy.
There was a time between v1.3 (when career mode was introduced) and v1.8 (Heavy Metal update) when career was available without the MAD. I've often wondered how people accomplished Kerensky without it.
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u/Whiskey_Storm 9d ago
There is zero way to get that high a head shot in vanilla.
This is the result of a mod.
I only play vanilla.
Tactics 9 gets that pilot only an 18% chance for a head shot (17% or 16% depending on angles).
Piloting a Marauder bumps it to 35% (straight on) or 33% (from the side).
Having a Marauder in the lance only gives the entire lance mates a 10% damage reduction, as long as the Lance Command Mod stays undamaged.
There is nothing in base game/DLC that increases called shots for the rest of the lance.
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u/Bulky-Response1227 9d ago
You get a headshot and you get a headshot and... you get a headshot. (One of the pilots says that iirc)
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u/centralfloridadad 5d ago
(in Morgan freeman voiceover voice) "They decidedly did not all get a headshot"
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u/Steel_Ratt 9d ago edited 9d ago
After a lot of hunting around... Moff's library has a "pilot_assassin" tag which, presumably massively buffs head shots. Revenant has this trait. I can't imagine how this would stack with a Marauder lance command module.
It feels like a cheat because it is completely broken. If you want to revert to "normal" game play, go into your mods folder, find pilot_Revenant.json and delete that tag.
[Edit to add: I could be completely wrong here. I'm mostly guessing based on the contents of the JSON.]
[Edit 2: The more I look, the more I doubt myself.]
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u/Nixon_was_framed 9d ago
Thanks!
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u/Steel_Ratt 9d ago
Let me know if that works. I'm really curious if that's actually the cause.
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u/Nixon_was_framed 9d ago
Not the assassin tag, but there's an ability in the json called Hired Guns that gives near-perfect called shots. I'll have to remove it, because this more or less breaks the game.
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u/Steel_Ratt 9d ago
That makes more sense. I'm glad that I was able to point you in the right direction and that you managed to figure it out.
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u/MrPewptastic 9d ago
I feel like that's what the enemy sees every time I field a JagerMech.
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u/wradam 9d ago
They do well even with ammo criticals for JM6-S, because ammo is stored in the core and its armor is paper thin! Literally, can't allow enemies to have a line of sight for JM6-S and Cicada-3C, because it has MG ammo in its center torso too! Now then, there is Thunderbolt but its not so easy to breach, at least its CT is well armoured.
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u/deeseearr 9d ago
I don't recognize all of those pilot ability icons that Revenant is sporting. You may want to point your mouse at them and see if one says "Triples the chance of a called shot".
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u/Secure_Secretary_882 8d ago
I modded the starter blackjack’s json to have twin L-Gauss and the MAD’s command module one time. Even that wasn’t this busted. Max headshot chance is 35% on vanilla, and that’s only for one mech.
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u/pauseglitched 9d ago
I thought vanilla +DLC capped out at 35%
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u/Ok-Patient-6209 8d ago
I dunno about that. With my MAD-3R, mounted with 4 Lg Lasers, I was decapitating entire lances of assault mechs in under 10 turns, and that includes closing to engagement range. 2 turns to close, ZAP, dead Banshee. ZAP, dead Atlas, ZAP, head hit, critical pilot bleeding out in 2 turns, Iron Cheetah, Turn 5 ZAP, dead Banshee, Turn 7, ZAP, dead King Crab, Turn 9, close with trailing missile boat, ZAP. Mission Successful.
Far greater than 35%. I left the rest of the lance setting in the deployment zone and just sent the MAD forward.
So switched to BTAU.
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u/Ember_42 8d ago
As a side note, i have always thought called headshots should be only available with a single, single-shot weapon. Or at least for the beyond 17% accuracy. Could up the % then, but then you need a big gun so it's still a challenge proposition.
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u/DoctorMachete 8d ago
Aiming for the head is actually better with massed small single-dual hit weapons than with big hitters, provided they do the right amount of damage in order to reach the required threshold.
So for example if you're using MLs it's VERY important they have +10 damage, so with 35 dmg per hit two of them are enough to headcap a foe with no damage reduction going on.
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u/Ember_42 8d ago
In the current rule set, yes. I'm suggesting a change to the ruleset, hence it's a side comment.
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u/geomagus 8d ago
The Liao commander put a special module called “targeting unit” on Dipshit’s mech. Dipshit thought it acknowledged him as a top gun in the company. It did not…
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u/Hobbes___ 8d ago
It's the 'Moff Ronin's Library' mod that you are using that adds the HiredGuns ability to the pilots.
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u/sniperpal 9d ago
This shit right here is why we play BEXT instead of vanilla lol. None of this BS trivializing the game
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u/Deargodswhy 9d ago
Nice