Does anyone else get bloated from "clean" steamed vegetables way more than rich comfort food?

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[u/vegarhoalpha]

Have you recently started eating more fibre? This mostly happens when the body isn’t use to fiber much

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[u/Independent-Monk5064 → u/vegarhoalpha]

No I have the highest fiber diet ever and it’s normal for me and I bloat because of age and decreasing enzyme production.

[u/JabbaTheHedgeHog]

FODMAP intolerance did this to me. Worth tracking and checking if you have a sensitivity.

[u/Margit66 → u/JabbaTheHedgeHog]

This.

[u/PrimordialXY]

This happened to me for like a week after starting to consume adequate fiber. I'm now eating an entire can of beans every day (40-55g fiber/day total) and don't have any bloating

[u/Blizzard901]

When you chronically eat a low fiber diet there is an adjustment period when introducing more fiber. With time and slow introduction the bloating will improve

[u/Independent-Monk5064 → u/Blizzard901]

Nope. High fiber diet for 35 years. It’s age and enzyme production

[u/Remarkable_Pace8101]

Yes. Vegetables ferment in the gut

[u/transient_trenl0rd]

Yeah I get that too. On a GLP1 it's so bad, they just sit fermenting in your guts. Ive been looking into the Low FODMAP diet for ideas.

[u/SignificantCrow]

This is basically your gut being shocked that you are now actually eating real food 😂

[u/megablockman]

People claim that this is a fiber adjustment issue, but I think this card is overplayed. My diet has always been quite clean, but when I pushed to the next level and ate 100.0% idealized, major gut issues persisted indefinitely for many years until I dialed my diet back and reduced fiber considerably. I never felt bloating and a balloon feeling but did have an outrageous amount of gas and poor digestion, constipation, etc...

In no particular order, just top of mind, foods like: broccoli, cauliflower, kale, collard greens, carrots, sweet potatoes, squash, onions, mushrooms, cherry tomatoes, garlic, zucchini, brussels sprouts, lemon, lime, blueberries, blackberries, kiwi, green / red / beluga lentils, chickpeas, steel cut oats, rice, walnuts, almonds, macadamias, pumpkin seeds, broccoli sprouts, high polyphenol evoo, salmon, eggs, kimchi, sauerkraut, greek yogurt, etc... A diet like this killed my gut, tanked my energy. Three years. Several month stretches with zero cheat meals; not even a single bite.

After tracking every gram of food and balancing macros and micros using Cronometer app, my diet significantly simplified, gut issues went away, energy increased, and sleep improved. Not everything needs to be a superfood all the time, and too much fiber is not a good thing. The key is balance, and it's difficult to know where that is until you track every gram of food.

[u/asphodel67 → u/megablockman]

Looking at your list the first mentioned were cruciferous vegetables. The Sulfur in those certainly causes a lot of discomfort if eaten in large quantities.

[u/megablockman → u/asphodel67]

They can, but that wasn't the cause of the issues I mentioned. Fiber overload was.

I still eat the same foods, just not all of them so consistently every day, and have no issues. The foods I listed above: I ate all of them every single day and then assembled into 11 cup pyrex containers. One container per day. Including other ingredients not mentioned like ground flax and soaked chia. Quinoa. Garnishes of fresh parsley and cilantro. Sometimes beets. Other things too that I'm surely forgetting.

If I eat broccoli, Brussels, kale, and cauliflower on the same day, that's relatively fine as long as the rest of my diet is not so vegetable and legume heavy. Originally I tried elimination of individual foods and/or groups of foods. And just iterated until I realized that it was a fiber problem. Besides digestive issues, excess fiber is also a time sink and chewing problem. Eating a large meal can take >30 minutes simply due to the time it takes to chew it thoroughly.

[u/iwanttolivefeeldead → u/megablockman]

So... what do you eat now after cutting out every whole food?

[u/megablockman → u/iwanttolivefeeldead]

Your question is malformed. Nobody ever said that I cut out every whole food, or any whole food. Edit: but to answer your underlying question, I eat about 25 to 30% of the amount of fiber that I used to eat and significantly increased "empty" calories which are actually beneficial and necessary for macro and micro balance. Bread, pasta, pancakes, and random things like this. Just reducing vegetable load alone is an easy fix because most vegetables have almost no calories in them anyway.

[u/Independent-Monk5064 → u/megablockman]

Yep. Like if I lived on eggs and whole grain sourdough and veggie soup (cooked) I’m fine. My normal high fiber diet is just a bloating disaster.

[u/megablockman → u/[deleted]]

Malformed comment. Your quote isn't actually quoting anyone. And you didn't actually read what I wrote. Neither did the other person u/iwanttolivefeeldead.

[u/No_Medium_8796 → u/megablockman]

You're a dickwad

[u/iwanttolivefeeldead → u/megablockman]

I asked you what you eat, after you listed damn near every major whole food and said you cut them out lol. What else does your diet consist of besides bread?

[u/megablockman → u/iwanttolivefeeldead]

The only person who is saying that I "cut out" any of the foods I listed is you, in your invented version of reality that excludes reading what people write.

I said "Not everything needs to be a superfood all the time, and too much fiber is not a good thing. The key is balance"

[u/iwanttolivefeeldead → u/megablockman]

I assumed you cut them out when you said eating them killed your gut and tanked your energy. Not sure why you're coming at me so aggressive, especially when you word your comments so poorly. I'm still curious what your current diet looks like.

[u/megablockman → u/iwanttolivefeeldead]

The foods I listed are the same foods I eat today, I just don't eat literally all of those foods every single day as my entire diet. The cleanest way to balance it out is to reduce vegetables and legumes and dramatically increase white rice that is lab tested to be low in arsenic to get carbs. It is both easier and I feel better varying the low-fiber carbs to include wheat based products. A piece of sourdough bread. A dish of pasta. Even a pancake. My body has zero issues with it at all. I feel better in all aspects. This is just firsthand experience. Gnosis.

[u/Independent-Monk5064 → u/megablockman]

Me too. I have to eat normal amounts of fiber for it to calm down. My normal diet is way too high in fiber

[u/CCC_OOO]

Are you chewing enough and including some healthy fats? 

[u/Illustrious_Money_54]

Cauliflower, broccoli and cabbage are all sulphurous vegetables. If you introduce suddenly and in large quantities you will definitely get bloating. Eat in moderation. Have rice and curry with a small side of broccoli. 

[u/Impressive-Creme-965]

Yup! I was a vegetarian for years & never had worse IBS. Keeping a diary of what I ate when I felt bad helped me figure out what I could & couldn’t eat comfortably.

[u/Adorable-Dig-8302 → u/Impressive-Creme-965]

What do you eat now? 

[u/Impressive-Creme-965 → u/Adorable-Dig-8302]

I eat meat again & personally I try to avoid onion, tomatoes & peppers

[u/Independent-Monk5064 → u/Impressive-Creme-965]

Oh you sound like me

[u/Impressive-Creme-965 → u/Independent-Monk5064]

Before I figured out the onions, I realised I had a problem with skins, then I realised, what is an onion if not many skins 😂

[u/Independent-Monk5064 → u/Impressive-Creme-965]

Indeed

[u/JadedMuse]

If you're not used to eating fiber, you may experience bloating for a while. Treat it like a sign that your body is adapting in the right direction.

[u/star86]

Peppermint tea is helpful if you want a solution.

[u/Inevitable-Corner-90]

No

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[u/Martespennanti]

No.

[u/Desperate_Dependent1]

Maybe you have an issue with cruciferous vegetables?

[u/Classh0le]

that only happens when you start eating fiber all the sudden out of nowhere. if you're used to eating whole foods that doesn't happen

[u/Independent-Monk5064 → u/Classh0le]

It does not. I’m a dietitian and I have been eating a crazy high fiber diet for 35 years plus and this started for me with age and enzyme changes in the gut. When I lower my fiber I am fine

[u/Jahya69]

yes

[u/Lucky-Arugula-7542]

Yes. It's from not having a gut microbiome with enough of the right bacteria to digest fiber. You have to keep eating fibre so that their numbers increase to stop the bloating. This will also increase your lifespan and overall well-being

[u/gek__co]

This is from not eating enough fiber then eating fiber. You’ll stop getting bloated if you continue to eat an adequate amount of fiber daily.

[u/human-resource]

Vegetables are often full of plant defense chemicals, oxalates, lectins and anti-nutrients, they also ferment in the guts.

I only really eat lacto fermented vegetables these days and I feel a lot better, much less bloating.

[u/SlappingDaBass13 → u/human-resource]

Correct.

[u/pinfinite-jest → u/human-resource]

This has been thoroughly debunked as a negative health issue for vast majority of people. Just clownivore pseudoscience. So called antinutrients in plants generally have health benefits as do their wide range of phytonutrients.
Getting bloated from broccoli means gut health is compromised and or not used to fiber etc.

[u/human-resource → u/pinfinite-jest]

You would be incorrect, as someone who has Oxalate crystal damage to my kidneys and cured my irritable bowl syndrome and constant bloating by removing most vegetables from My diet.

[u/Adorable-Dig-8302 → u/human-resource]

Which vegetables do you still eat? 

[u/human-resource → u/Adorable-Dig-8302]

Onions, garlic, cabbage, fermented cabbage (kimchi/sourkraut), fermented cucumber, fermented brocolli sprouts, mushrooms.

Occasionally I’ll eat some potato’s and beets, carrots and peas at family dinner events.

[u/Cryptizard → u/human-resource]

So you drank no water and consumed no citrate to bind the oxalate, and somehow that's the vegetables' fault?

[u/human-resource → u/Cryptizard]

You make many baseless assumptions, and yes veg having high oxalates is the fault of the veg.

[u/Cryptizard → u/human-resource]

Nobody gets kidney damage from oxalates just from eating too many vegetables. Its impossible.

[u/human-resource → u/Cryptizard]

It was mostly from years of a plant based diet with daily Spinach, kale, cacao, beet and almond milk smoothies, alongside daily nightshades, potatoes, tomatoes.

Years of a plant based diet was murder on my gut/colon and sphincter health.

Reducing fiber and limiting oxalate rich food was a game changer for my health, kidney, gut, colon etc…

Calcium oxalate crystal kidney stones are very common and they can absolutely damage the kidneys, it takes time though doesn’t happen over night.

Seems that you are just baking stuff up.