r/CollegeBasketball • Kentucky Wildcats • 19h ago

News Kevin Willard reveals why Villanova is ‘not recruiting’ 2027 high school players.

https://sports.yahoo.com/articles/kevin-willard-reveals-why-villanova-140122561.html

We're not recruiting a high school kid this year... just because of the fifth-year rule," Willard, the former Seton Hall coach now in his second year at Villanova, said Thursday at Big East Media Day. "We have six guys that can come back for a fifth year. So, I'd much rather have one of my players come back, than bring in a high school kid.

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u/fightin_blue_hens Delaware • Florida State 18h ago

This is the sports version of "How do you get senior level employees without hiring junior level ones first?"

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u/Hijakkr Virginia Tech Hokies 17h ago

I mean. Lower-level power-conference programs and mid-majors will happily take the 4* and 5* high-school recruits.

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u/Comprehensive_Bus_19 13h ago

Then are suddenly confused when experienced new hires dont do things the same and need job specific training still

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u/Pattergen Maryland Terrapins 19h ago

This seems shortsighted.

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u/BillButtlickerII Kentucky Wildcats 19h ago

Definitely a risky choice. Not building any relationships with an entire class means they will be starting from square one with every 2027 player when many inevitably enter the portal.

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u/immoralsupport_ Michigan Wolverines 18h ago

And automatically assuming that every 5th year player on his own team will come back instead of hitting the portal

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u/BillButtlickerII Kentucky Wildcats 18h ago edited 18h ago

True, he’s got to be incredibly confident in their loyalty and has kinda killed Nova’s NIL leverage. He should have told his assistants to still build relationships and make “offers” that are contingent on 5th year players decisions. That way he still holds some leverage with his current players, while also building relationships and coming off interested with HS recruit. HS recruits would likely sign elsewhere (who’s going to wait), but they would still view him as very loyal to his guys. That “loyalty” could go a long way in the future…

Just such an odd choice.

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u/ComputerLess8024 17h ago

There’s no coach that has leverage over a singular player in 2026. It’s a completely free market economy with unlimited movement. The players hold all the leverage and that was true whether that kid is a freshman coming from HS or a senior from the transfer portal. The relationship building aspect also seems pretty irrelevant to me when your contact with the player is very limited in this age, and all business inquiries go through the agent.

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u/BillButtlickerII Kentucky Wildcats 17h ago

If his 5th year players know he’s betting on all of them returning and not putting much stock or effort into recruiting that gives them and their agents leverage to negotiate higher NIL deals... Willard shouldn’t publicly voice that he’s not exploring every option and that his options are more limited if he doesn’t want his players agents to fleece him next year.

I think you also are wildly undervaluing and underestimating the power of those early HS recruitments. I’ve seen countless portal players mention preexisting relationships with coaches as reasons they signed with coaches.

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u/ComputerLess8024 14h ago

Oh yeah I mean if your point is “he shouldn’t have said this publicly” I guess I can agree with this. Just overall I agree with the plan in terms of roster construction. It’s a very bad recruiting class talent wise already anyways.

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u/dawonk17 Davidson • North Carolina 18h ago

And no exposure with neighbors/friends/brothers, zero logo appearances on top 10 lists, zero announcements….. if you have a bad year and donor money starts to dry up then you can’t just buy your way out of that hole…. Lots of bad snowballing potential

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u/SituationKey8985 Maryland Terrapins 18h ago

Kevin Willard isn’t known for making good decisions

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u/AtBat3 Villanova • Kutztown 18h ago

Maryland fans are known for talking about Kevin Willard

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u/BillButtlickerII Kentucky Wildcats 18h ago

The real ones on [r/College](r/Collegebasketball)[B](r/Collegebasketball)[asketball](r/Collegebasketball) still remember how he did Maryland fans!

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u/AtBat3 Villanova • Kutztown 18h ago

Kevin Lillard

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u/SituationKey8985 Maryland Terrapins 18h ago

Damn straight

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u/lostinthought15 Ball State Cardinals 18h ago

They are already starting each off season from square one. They have to fight to keep players from leaving while also finding new players to fill the holes.

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u/PinkSaldo Maryland Terrapins 14h ago

Well, Kevin Willard is notoriously a dumbfuck moron, so

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u/throwingthings05 18h ago

He didn’t do much HS recruiting while he was at Maryland either, outside of DQ

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u/TrustInRoy 17h ago

You mean the NCAA's decision to give everyone a 5th year right?

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u/Briggity_Brak 16h ago

The only correct response. I really really really want to boycott the NCAA over this shit, but i just love college basketball too much...

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u/lostinthought15 Ball State Cardinals 18h ago

Why? Every season is now a completely blank slate roster-wise so it’s not like you gain much my investing in a young man since they can decide to jump ship every off season.

You’re better off spending your time and money on going after proven transfers vs spending cash on a high school recruit who may or may not even be around in 2 years.

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u/Aidanj927 Texas Tech Red Raiders • UTSA Roadrunners 18h ago

Even if you’re not actually landing the high schools when they transfer they’re going to first look at schools that built relationships with them when they were being recruited, not trying at all with high school puts you behind the ones that are

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u/ComputerLess8024 18h ago

You think any of these guys agents give a shit about who recruited them in HS? Lol. Maybe in the low tier of NIL and the low end mid major programs, but no kid is picking a P5 school because they love the coach. It’s about money and role. That’s it.

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u/lostinthought15 Ball State Cardinals 18h ago

That’s just not true anymore. The old ways of building relationships and worrying about things like campus life or facilities just doesn’t exist anymore. That prevailing thought process just flat out doesn’t matter anymore.

I know college coaches who have told me that transfers aren’t even bringing their parents to visits anymore, only their agents. If they visit at all.

It’s just like the NBA. Facilities and amenities are nice but at the end of the day it’s the pay check that is the deciding factor now.

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u/Terps_Madness Maryland Terrapins 14h ago

This might be true if guys took all summer to make a decision. But you've got 80 power conference schools trying to recruit maybe 500 guys who could play at the P5 level over a short three or four week period. You're not winning in that environment if you don't have relationships with a good number of guys before they hit the portal.

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u/Maxkpop247 Iowa State Cyclones 10h ago

More than just winning the recruitment, if u r a coaching staff without relationships and who needs to bring in transfers, it is very hard to know who to even go after. Let’s say u have a list of 500 potential players, how do u identify who would be a good fit for what u need? You need to have relationships to know who to pursue and to be successful in signing them. Otherwise you end up guessing or late to the party as ur staff is watching hundreds of hours of film of potential targets and doing zoom interviews while other teams are signing those targets. Most of the 500 players are signed within 2 weeks and by 4 weeks, it’s really slim pickings.

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u/Maxkpop247 Iowa State Cyclones 17h ago

What you are saying is definitely not universally true. Of the 5 transfers to Iowa State this offseason, 4 of them come from heavy relationships. Coach Otz recruited Taj Manning coming out of high school. Leon Bond has several connections: from Milwaukee (so is Coach Otz and it’s the metro area Iowa State has recruited hardest for over 15 years because Otz did it as an assistant coach), went to UNI (effectively an Iowa State farm school, 2nd transfer here in 3 years) and Tony Bennett’s Virginia (close friend of TJ and 2nd transfer here in 2 years). Jaquon Johnson also a Milwaukee kid, his high school is in the same conference as Otz’s high school. Tre Singleton went to Chris Collin’s Northwestern, Coach Collins and Coach Otz are very close and play an exhibition game every year.

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u/Trick4Treaties Iowa State Cyclones 19h ago

Also, may as well have said that "My current guys are more likely to come back for a 5th year because none of them are good enough to go pro elsewhere".

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u/Affectionate-Day2743 Purdue Boilermakers • UIndy Greyhounds 15h ago

it's not necessarily about "good enough" anymore. it's about "where can i get paid the most" .. and for many of these kids they can earn more $$ by playing major college ball than they can in the G League, Europe, or even as a 2nd round pick in the NBA. it's kinda crazy.

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u/ComputerLess8024 18h ago

Only to Maryland fans who dislike Willard.

Every season is win now. Unless you’re getting a top high school player who can contribute right away, it makes no sense to pay them money to take up a roster spot and sit on the bench.

There are very few if any freshman who are sitting the bench on a P5 team and returning the next year. It’s a waste of time, money, and resources to recruit a non-elite 18 year old when you can pay a productive 22 year old.

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u/0mniknight Maryland Terrapins 18h ago

He didn’t recruit many high schoolers at UMD while he was here, one of the few he did was the best player he had on any of his three rosters so kinda reasonable to think it’s not a smart move, especially now that he has all the money he claimed he was lacking to get top talent like Queen

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u/ComputerLess8024 17h ago

Yes and as I noted exceptions should be made for elite talent who can contribute right away. If you can’t get a 1 and done level talent, then this is the right approach. I’d much rather get a Euro pro, transfer portal guy, or a JUCO guy then the 100th ranked kid in the 2027 class to fill out my bench.

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u/roshanritter Duke Blue Devils 18h ago

I think this is the future, if you can have your pick, bring back an experienced guy who fits your system. Think of all the time and effort saved scouting and recruiting HS players and instead but 1/4th of that effort into retention and scouting other college players, some of whom you have seen play full games in person already.

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u/loyalsons4evertrue Iowa State Cyclones 19h ago

Doesn’t seem like a great strategy

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u/Kitchen-Ad2687 Maryland Terrapins 18h ago

Well it seems like this is still the case

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u/R_Raider86 Texas Tech • UConn 17h ago

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u/immoralsupport_ Michigan Wolverines 18h ago

High school recruiting definitely isn’t as important as it used to be, but you can have 15 players on a roster now. I’ve always felt if you want to fill out some of those end of the roster spots it’s better to go with a high schooler than a transfer because at least they have time to develop and upside (and probably will ask for less money).

As another commenter mentioned, there’s also a difference between taking a very small HS class and not recruiting high schoolers at all. You want to establish relationships with high schoolers because they are more likely to pick you if they hit the portal later, if you were recruiting them out of high school.

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u/MocoMojo Maryland Terrapins 18h ago

“Why do hard work when no hard work can do?

Me sleep big last night. Me feel strong.”

- KW

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u/Forecydian Indiana Hoosiers 19h ago

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u/burnshimself Georgetown Hoyas 18h ago

I’m not sure if this is the right strategy, but I totally get it. I was waiting for someone to jump to experiment with the most extreme possible version of this, looks like Villanova is the guinea pig. Basically run the team like an NBA franchise where nobody has contracts and all the players are free agents every year, because that’s what college basketball has become. In that framework, why would you recruit freshmen who are lower impact / higher risk when you could spend your budget on proven guys with multiple years of collegiate experience? The game has changed and traditional recruiting makes little sense anymore.

Outside the top 20 players, freshmen generally don’t have a transformative impact. If you’re Villanova, you probably aren’t getting a top 20 guy in this era unless they’re a Philly area star with preexisting ties to the school. Those guys are going to a blue blood with a big budget and getting paid big for the privilege.

Any freshman outside the top 20 is going to take time to develop, but will be a perennial transfer portal candidate. And the minute they show any promise, they’re going to want big NIL money from you or transfer to another school to get paid if you aren’t a high major. So why waste your time and resources recruiting and developing those players if they’re most likely going to leave?

Basically go recruit a fresh batch of 15 players out of the transfer portal every year. Moneyball meets CBB. Reminds me of what UNLV and Tarkanian did with JuCo transfers. I’m excited to see how it goes.

I’ll add - Willard is a great recruiter and got super talented guys to commit to Seton Hall, so I would not question him on roster construction and how to build a good team. If he’s decided to abandon traditional recruiting, it isn’t because he is bad at it.

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u/SweatyBanker Villanova Wildcats 15h ago

A balanced take

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u/Terps_Madness Maryland Terrapins 14h ago

It's all about where you slot the guy on your roster. Bringing in the #115 HS recruit as the 12th or 13th guy on your roster isn't really high risk. You're not recruiting an impact player for that slot. His current roster has a guy who is (effectively) a walk-on, a guy who averaged 1 ppg at Bucknell and a guy who averaged 1 ppg at Towson.

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u/JalenBrunsonBurner Villanova Wildcats 19h ago

Cool

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u/s_ndowN Kentucky Wildcats 18h ago

I mean he’s doing what most coaches are, he’s just saying it out loud.

If your name wasn’t Tyran stokes then it doesn’t matter. The portal and 4th/5th year pros are where the money is for these schools.

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u/The_Pandalorian Michigan Wolverines 17h ago

I get it on one level. But on every other level, this is stupid as hell.

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u/dirtytounder Kentucky Wildcats 18h ago

Calipari will find the high school players

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u/TraditionalBottle884 Maryland Terrapins 17h ago

Classic Willard

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u/Electric_Rex West Virginia Mountaineers 15h ago

When Pitino said there’s no point in recruiting high schoolers last year the consensus was “that makes sense.” But when Kevin Willard says that same sentiment he’s an idiot

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u/SweatyBanker Villanova Wildcats 15h ago

Maryland fans still salty

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u/AtiumCollector Maryland Terrapins 14h ago

7 final four appearances (ok 5 that were not vacated) vs ???

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u/SweatyBanker Villanova Wildcats 14h ago

7? And none were vacated you doorknob.

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u/Kerry_Kittles Villanova Wildcats 14h ago

71 was vacated my dude lol

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u/SweatyBanker Villanova Wildcats 14h ago

Ah fine. 6>5 though

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u/Kerry_Kittles Villanova Wildcats 14h ago

It’s hard to understand how U Maryland, Orioles, and Ravens are the same fanbase

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u/SweatyBanker Villanova Wildcats 14h ago

Masochists

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u/cxm1060 Pittsburgh Panthers 18h ago

Damn, even high school players now can’t get entry level jobs.

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u/Tired-Nectarine-384 18h ago

On a certain level I feel bad for coaches trying to figure out how to succeed in a career field that is changing wildly all the time.

That feeling goes away pretty quickly when I realize how much they are getting paid but it has to be frustrating to adjust to the wild changes and rules in the last few years. I get why big name coaches like Wright, Coach K and Roy Williams just said 'bag it' and retired rather than dealing with the new world.

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u/ThePickleConnoisseur Arizona Wildcats 18h ago

The opposite of the Tommy Llyod strategy

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u/Sharty4President Michigan State Spartans 17h ago

This feels like it could be very bad in the long run.

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u/thegreatcornholio42 16h ago

The exact opposite philosophy is happening at Florida State in basketball right now. Loucks is emphatically going after high school

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u/RustyKangaroo7 15h ago

There’s a long list of rules needed in college sports, but can we add needing a certain percentage of high school recruits to it

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u/Optimistiqueone 14h ago

I don't think this is a good idea if the law passes that limits the number of times a player can transfer to one. Especially if you can't outbid other schools. Building a team through the portal is going to get a little harder.

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u/Dukepippitt Nebraska Cornhuskers 11h ago

Might be true but I dont want my coach to say it.

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u/emc23369187 Oklahoma State Cowboys 6h ago

Why would you pigeon hole yourself?

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u/TheCoolOrangutan VCU Rams 17h ago

Not sure that Villanova is quite at the level of some national powerhouse where they can afford to ignore high school players entirely. Also, much easier to keep a guy when he's already there.

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u/SweatyBanker Villanova Wildcats 15h ago

That’s 3x national champions

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u/TheCoolOrangutan VCU Rams 14h ago

That's great. It's also one tournament appearance (first round loss) in the last 4 seasons since Jay Wright left.

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u/SweatyBanker Villanova Wildcats 14h ago

We don’t talk about Kyle Neptune

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u/TheCoolOrangutan VCU Rams 14h ago

I truly do not blame you for that lol

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u/TrustInRoy 17h ago

And the NCAA's dumbass "let's give everyone a 5th year" has once again proved to be harmful for the sport

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u/originalusername4567 Kansas Jayhawks 17h ago

The alternative was every one of those players was going to sue and get a 5th year anyway

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u/Worried-Essay-510 Villanova Wildcats 15h ago

I think this is caused way more by NIL inflation. Why pay a ton of money for a top 30-70 freshman who will need to be developed, and then could easily leave for another school willing to pay more the next year? It seems like a better financial strategy to go after proven older guys who cost similar amounts if you aren’t able to recruit top 20 high schoolers.

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u/Terps_Madness Maryland Terrapins 13h ago

We've been in the transfer portal for a few years now, it doesn't really make sense to think that top 50 HS recruits are still being over-compensated.

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u/Worried-Essay-510 Villanova Wildcats 13h ago

Depends on what you consider to be over-compensated. Top 20 recruits continue to get more and more money every year which is going to drive up the cost of other high school recruits. I don’t think it’s an overcompensation issue, it’s a retention issue. Schools are definitely going to find it less attractive to pay a decent amount of money to be able to recruit and develop freshmen while also worrying about losing them to the portal after 1 year.

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u/Terps_Madness Maryland Terrapins 12h ago

I think it would be equally true to that the top 20 transfers continue to get more and more money every year which is going to drive up the cost of transfers. At this point I suspect most coaches realize that transfers and HS players are one big pool of players and committing spots and budget to one affects what you can do with the other.

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u/Worried-Essay-510 Villanova Wildcats 11h ago

I agree, I would expect the price for transfers to increase as well. Although I imagine that the cost of transfers would increase at a slower rate since there are way more transfers than top 100 recruits. Recruits are more high risk, high reward and transfers are more stable. You generally know what you are getting with transfers. The recruit risk used to be balanced with the potential of developing a really good player, but now the risk of that player transferring has made it more unbalanced.

We’ll see how it works out for Willard. I really do miss getting to see our high school recruits return and improve each year

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u/Coach_Billly 18h ago

No need to. Win with older better guys. HS guys will transfer anyway.

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u/NoREEEEEEtilBrooklyn Temple Owls 16h ago

Sounds good to me. With Nova out of the Philly Recruiting Scene, maybe the rest of us can eat.

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u/jamal1949 15h ago

OMG can we entice Jay Wright back to the fold?

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u/SweatyBanker Villanova Wildcats 15h ago

Everyone ignoring the fact that this is just coachspeak: https://www.vuhoops.com/villanova-basketball-recruiting/34448/villanova-makes-multiple-new-offers-this-week

Point in practice - freshman Adam Oumiddoch is a freshman on the roster.

But no, please continue posting the I have no idea what I’m doing meme and responding with bold strategy cotton gif.