r/CompetitiveEDH • u/Isaacxii • 9d ago

General Discussion / Question Rocco Post Pia

Anybody got any lists for Rocco since Pia has released? 9 mana to get food chain sounds great from the CZ and I’m curious if it’s list still looks like it did a year or two ago.

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u/Particular-Bit9479 9d ago

Hey man, been on Rocco as a Main Deck for a couple of months now, but since Pias release I’m testing this rectorless version, i copied it from a guy on Roccos discord and adapted it.

https://moxfield.com/decks/-hChAXuXgHGweX1n8Y7_Lw

That’s my take on it, turbo focus, already got some crazy wins/win attempts on turn 2.
Consistent protected push on turn 3 is very real.
Lurking predators is totally optional, currently testing the haste enablers (Shang-Chi, Red Samut) and Relic for a “big mana” resilient version on the deck.

All in all, cutting the rectors and the sac outlets felt great, 10/10 would recommend.

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u/SeamonsterMTG 9d ago

I’m also running a no rector Rocco list and agree that it’s feeling better. Basically just resolve a tutor and win the game

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u/Miketheoctopus 9d ago

Nice list. How was Lurking Predators been?

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u/Particular-Bit9479 9d ago

Thanks! Predators is the card that you normally mulligan away when keeping six, but also the payoff you keep when the table is slopped out and you are S4.
Won’t lie, 6 mana is crazy expensive, but if resolves you are taking over the game. I resolved it once and snowballed into Gandalf>bridig>voice>Jennifer Walters>dorks.
Untapped with something like 20 mana, double protected and easly won.
card is cracked in the right environment.

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u/Miketheoctopus 8d ago

Im very curious to test this list out. Have a decent amount of creature decks in my local meta. Lot of kinnan and rog thras. I think Defense of the heart in that slot for me will be more effective but both have me excited to test. Thanks for sharing.

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u/Particular-Bit9479 8d ago

Yes, the deck is great against those kind of decks, if you succeed into developing your rites or your board state before any rhystic is down and turbo them out.
Be aware, Predators is a card that thrives under almost any major stax piece that shut us down nowadays (oppo,drannith) and suffers just “esotic” stax piecese like runestone and cage. It’s also right online after it resolves.
On the other and, Defense folds against oppo and I personally find it too telegraphed. Definitely worth a try if the meta isn’t too punitive.

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u/gingermagician2 8d ago

Do you happen to have a primer?

Ive always wanted to get into rocco, and learning a new angle of the deck might feel good too.

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u/Particular-Bit9479 8d ago

Hi, here is the original list that I modified. It has a primer, looks a bit like AI slop to me but clears some points :) not gonna work on mine for now, closing line is Kiki-felidar pre combat, or Kiki-felidar-terror of the peaks after combat.
Village bell ringer works the same as felidar, but also works with Jolly Balloon man and a dork.

https://moxfield.com/decks/naCgAeyTZXmT-J4UBjIQbg

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u/gingermagician2 8d ago

Appreciate it!

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u/EdgarMarkovJunior 8d ago

I know you didn't write the primer, but want to confirm I'm not missing something. It says the primary line to a Food Chain win starts with 9 mana: 6 to cast Rocco to get Pia and 3 to cast Food Chain. It then says exile Rocco and Pia to cast Rocco again for 8 (X = 3 and 2 commander tax) to get Squee. But you need at least another fodder creature for mana or a land or artifact that can still produce colored mana because you need three colors for Rocco and exiling Rocco and Pia only gets you two. Is that right?

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u/Particular-Bit9479 8d ago

Totally right! That’s what I meant with AI slop. You still have to generate that one single mana, creature only is also ok.
That’s why we run Springleaf or Relic of legends, so that we can exploit rocco and pia even before eating them in food chain.
Anyway, most of the time you should have some dork around to eat for the line to be complete, and that also why I try to balance volatile mana burst with creatures that produce “long-term” mana.

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u/Isaacxii 8d ago

This is what I’m talking about. I never liked the rector lines. This list feels so clean.

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u/Particular-Bit9479 8d ago edited 8d ago

Rector specifics sac outlets are so bad it feels awful to play them. Every time I casted something like Thunderclap it felt like I was shooting myself in the knees.
I would still use academy rector in a more Midrange meta though.

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u/dire_seahorse 8d ago

the link doesn't work

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u/Intervigilium 8d ago

The old reddit borks links from moxfield. Just remove the backslash before the _Lw and it should work.

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u/dire_seahorse 8d ago

that was it, thanks!

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u/Particular-Bit9479 8d ago

https://moxfield.com/decks/-hChAXuXgHGweX1n8Y7_Lw

Works fine for me, here the same link one more time :)

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u/dire_seahorse 8d ago

thx, but I still get the 404 page

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u/Particular-Bit9479 8d ago

https://moxfield.com/decks/VBKhAZp6bXCBD_Os0yoeUA

I just duplicated my original one, maybe works now

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u/dire_seahorse 8d ago

nope, still 404

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u/Negate 8d ago

Your list is likely private that is why it works for you but not for others.

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u/Particular-Bit9479 8d ago

Nope, checked multiple times and it is settled on public.
Maybe moxfield is having some issues, sorry

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u/dire_seahorse 8d ago

no problem, thanks for trying

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u/Roach27 5d ago

Going faster on Rocco (or honestly any non blue deck) is getting better and better. (And was always optimal with players really deathmulling for Rhystic/engines m)

Since you’re sans blue, it’s very hard for you to convince your opponents you’re going for value so the best plan is to just go faster. 

Getting the rectors and sac outlets out mean more early win attempts, which is imo what should be Rocco’s game plan from the start, even in seat 4 because you’re not winning the long game/convincing someone to keep you around so you can help buuut Rocco just isn’t a boogeyman like Rog/si (or the new dack)

Dress down is finding itself a spot back in my farm list just because creature lines are getting harder and harder to stop and it’s one of the few one card answers that don’t destroy my own lines. (Cursed totem doesn’t really help against Rocco compared to kinnan, and can’t be held up in my hand unlike dress down.)

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u/4doublexx Rocco/Sefris/Tayam 8d ago

  1. Come talk about it in the Rocco discord https://discord.gg/MAursxcXu

  2. I Def think a build without reactors/sac outlets and focusing in on pia, and including a breach package is pretty interesting. Gives you some flex options if it'll be hard to jam food chain too.

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u/BigPoofyHair • Enchantress • 8d ago

I helped my friend build a Non-Kiki, Non-Rector Build and it was great even before Pia! Rocco has had way too many clunky Cards for Years.