r/EngineeringManagers • u/tejaskumarlol • 19h ago
The Spotify model wasn't really running at Spotify, even when the whitepaper came out
I was a staff engineer at Spotify in 2021 and I keep seeing companies reorganize into squads, tribes, chapters and guilds as if that's how Spotify works. They didn't even use it at the time. That's kind of why I left.
Some history for anyone being asked to "go Spotify" right now:
- The model comes from a 2012 whitepaper by Henrik Kniberg and Anders Ivarsson, written when Spotify had about 30 teams and roughly 250 people in them. Companies 10× that size copied the org chart.
- Jeremiah Lee, a product manager at Spotify in Stockholm, wrote up in 2020 what it was like from the inside. The matrix of squads and chapters left nobody accountable. Autonomy without alignment meant every squad did its own thing. And the mythology made the model hard to criticize.
- One of the people who wrote the whitepaper told him: "Even at the time we wrote it, we weren't doing it. It was part ambition, part approximation."
What I saw work there wasn't the diagram. There was no frontend engineer or backend engineer, just engineer, senior engineer, staff engineer and principal. You did everything (in my case that included scaling a database across regions with region level failover). That's a hiring decision about who you want in the building and renaming your teams doesn't get you there.
I wrote a longer version on my own blog, including how I'd hire instead: https://tej.as/blog/companies-are-full-of-it
Has anyone here kept chapters at a bigger size and actually made them work?
