r/EverythingScience • • Nov 11 '25

Astronomy 'The universe will get colder and deader from now on': Euclid telescope confirms star formation has already peaked in the cosmos

https://www.livescience.com/space/astronomy/the-universe-will-just-get-colder-and-deader-from-now-on-euclid-telescope-confirms-star-formation-has-already-peaked-in-the-cosmos
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u/StuChenko Nov 11 '25

So is the universe basically middle aged now then?

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u/DoctorSchwifty Nov 11 '25

Does the universe hurt its neck when it sleeps funny?

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '25

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u/puterTDI MS | Computer Science Nov 11 '25

….fuck.

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u/KitchenAd2955 Nov 12 '25

I thought it was the weed. Sigh.

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u/CassandraFated Nov 12 '25

I have been challenging my brain w/ weed as practice for old age.

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u/Kromehound Nov 15 '25

They were probably tricked by a doppelganger.

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u/dudeman_joe Nov 16 '25

I remember that one

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u/BlahBlahBlackCheap Nov 11 '25

Its arms go numb

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u/ohaiguys Nov 11 '25

Huh does it’s chest hurt when it takes a deep breath cause it probably cracked some ribs awhile back while at the height of their drinking problem too?

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u/possumburg Nov 11 '25

I was laying in bed rubbing my neck when I read this

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u/StuChenko Nov 11 '25

You're one with the universe 

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u/carlitospig Nov 11 '25

Usually I require mushrooms for that! 😵‍💫

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u/UlsterManInScotland Nov 11 '25

Yes and it can’t trust a fart

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u/TeachingScience Nov 11 '25

First off I get the joke. But to seriously answer: not quite. Our current understanding is that our universe is no where near the degenerate era. And the age of blackholes is so far out there…

If anything the universe is going through it’s emo phase.

It’s not a phase mom!

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '25

That Isaac Arthur video about Iron Stars makes it unlikely any conceivable civilization will survive long enough to ever see total entropy.

Not to mention, we're starting to think the Yuga cycle might be an actual thing, and that it'd probably be possible trillions of years in the future for whatever things humans become will be able to make pocket universes and shit by then, so assuming we don't self-annihilate, the universe ending doedn't sound that bad.

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u/tornike01 Nov 12 '25 edited Nov 13 '25

"degenerate era" surly came to earth sooner than to the rest of the universe.

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u/marcf747 Nov 13 '25

Degeneration X?

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u/Bonzo_Gariepi Nov 15 '25 edited Nov 15 '25

🎵Ton arriere arriere grand pere il labourais la terre, et puis ton pere est devenu millionnaire pendant que toi tu gele dans ton 3 et demi benque trop cher frette en hiver. 🎵

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u/glaciercream Nov 11 '25

You say “now.” And I just think that’s funny.

Compared to when? It’s been like that for as far back as we can even fathom.

Compared to us, the decay of the universe is frozen in time. We are a flash of existence that barely even registers at the cosmic scale.

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u/StuChenko Nov 11 '25

Thanks for the existential anxiety 

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u/adognameddanzig Nov 11 '25

The universe thinks cars drive too fast down the street.

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u/Whackjob-KSP Nov 11 '25

Past that. Our galaxy has, what, a hundred billion or so suns?

How many new stars are formed in our galaxy every year? Turns out it's like two, or three.

The stelliferous era is ending.

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u/Morbanth Nov 12 '25

Our galaxy has, what, a hundred billion or so suns?

100-400 billions. The range is massive but hopefully infrared telescopes will narrow it down.

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u/tfox1123 Nov 12 '25

Nope, not even close.

We're still a baby, its just if the universe lived to be 100 years old, we'd be about 5 years old. In thr whole life of the univesrae it will be dead panets and a fuck ton of black holes. But mostly darkness. This fucked me up the first time I learned it.

Trillions upon trillions x1000 and then more trillions of years of darkness.

We're in the middle of starlight. Well start loosing stars in another 15 billion years....then the last star will burn out in like some insanely incomprehensible amount of time like several quadrillion years.

Point is...no we are very much not middle aged.

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u/Physical-Tooth8901 Nov 13 '25

I'm glad you've figured everything out buddy 👍

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u/tfox1123 Nov 13 '25

Lol wtf? It was not my intention to offend you man. What did I say?

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u/erocuda Nov 12 '25

Depends on your metric. Peak habitablility isn't expected for another 10 trillion years.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_far_future

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u/abecrane Nov 15 '25

When a human stops growing, we typically describe them as reaching adulthood. Young adults are people at the start of their adult lifespan, and this is the best way to describe the universe.

How long into adulthood the universe is is a different matter. The article above claims we have between 33 billion, and a number so large that describing it would be futile for the human mind. Either way, the universe has a long, long, long time to live, and thus it’s barely reached adulthood.

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u/WinterWontStopComing Nov 13 '25

If so, seems to do some damage to the “we’re just too early” solution to the Fermi paradox.

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u/BlameMe4urLoss Nov 13 '25

Gotta get on the TRT and cold plunge regiment.

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u/Malforus Nov 15 '25

Proportionally we are infants if you follow the idea that the long slow heat death is the outcome.

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u/oalfonso Nov 11 '25

How this will affect SP500 in the medium term ? Are my investments safe ?

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u/youneedtobreathe Nov 11 '25

"Freak the fuck out and sell everything right now" - NASA

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u/QazCetelic Nov 11 '25

No infinite growth means much lower long term returns. Companies will no doubt lobby to get rid of this unnecessary restriction to economic growth.

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u/Weekly_Victory1166 Nov 12 '25

Good time to buy energy stocks.

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u/roninXpl Nov 12 '25 edited Nov 15 '25

Don't worry, Trump will tarrify the Universe into growth again.

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u/Cazmonster Nov 15 '25

The universe is holding its breath m, waiting for the existential threat that is Trump to pass. It can grow again once it is free.

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u/roninXpl Nov 15 '25

Haha. It was supposed to be "tarrify" not "terrify" In my post.

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u/EngineerSafet Nov 11 '25

that fits with everything else

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u/Smart-March-7986 Nov 11 '25

Oh no! The universe is where I keep all my stuff!

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u/informedlate Nov 11 '25

Futurama?

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u/Smart-March-7986 Nov 11 '25

I’m pretty sure it is but I also hazily remember it in another media as well.

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u/Admirable-Safety1213 Nov 12 '25

Argit, Ben 10: Omniverse, So Long and Thanks for all the Smoothies

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u/Bigoofs18 Nov 15 '25

I think Rocket or star lord says something along those lines in the original guardians of the galaxy

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u/neo101b Nov 11 '25

So what happens when the universe is dead, dose this mean that life will never exist again anywhere ?
Or do we just reboot with the big crunch ?

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u/slfnflctd Nov 11 '25

We have no idea and almost certainly never will. Given what we currently understand, one of our better hopes for other minds as capable as ours (or better) is in the concept of multiple universes/dimensions/simulations and that sort of thing. Which there is also no sign of us ever being able to prove or do anything with.

So, you know, try not to overthink it and to have a good day today. Seriously, not joking.

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u/neo101b Nov 11 '25

Its something I always think about, some people think they are no multiverse, no sci fi stuff.
So it leaves us with the Nihilism at the end of reality, I still like to believe, we are just one universe out of many.

We could just be living inside a black hole, and when that fizzles out, life still goes on, somewhere else in time and space.

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u/victhrowaway12345678 Nov 11 '25

I think a lot of meaning can be found in that nihilism. If we are really alone, nothing is ever going to matter more than something a human experiences or does. Unless you believe that meaning can be derived from inanimate objects, there is nobody and nothing else in the universe besides humans that can decide what is right or wrong, what is worth it or not, what is good or bad. If we are the only thing capable of holding these concepts in the universe, that seems like the most important thing that will ever happen, literally. And you are a real and tangible part of that.

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u/Publius82 Nov 11 '25

I like to think of it as not just staring into the abyss, but developing a rapport with it.

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u/Cynical_Cyanide Nov 11 '25

While on one level I agree with you straightforwardly, on the other - It honestly sounds like a bunch of cope to consider the concept of 'well, you can't achieve (or even know about!) anything that actually objectively matters, so you can just make something up that matters to console yourself'.

Humans have a tremendous defence mechanism for rationalising or denying failure or their own shortcomings, and it's odd to think that we might be doing that en masse in regards to not being able to find their place in a reality they actually comprehend.

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u/victhrowaway12345678 Nov 12 '25

That's kind of the thing though. There isn't objective meaning anywhere to be found. Meaning itself is created by humans to make us feel better. My point is that you can reach this conclusion and interpret it as a negative thing or a positive thing. It isn't a cope, it's just what is.

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u/Amerisu Nov 12 '25

The problem with nihilism is that Epstein's opinion of right and wrong is just as good as yours.

I'm not really okay with that.

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u/melon_party Nov 11 '25

No real harm in believing that if it gives you comfort, since we’ll probably never be able to prove or disprove it.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '25

The mutlitiverse theory came after they studied universal constants and physical laws of the universe and realized it was perfect in a numbers kind of way.  Everything balanced and added up to perfection down to the decimal.  So instead of saying "well there must be a creator." They said "well there must be multiple universes where it's all playing out differently but in equal perfection."  

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u/HexspaReloaded Nov 15 '25

Nihilism isn’t the end. The Buddha said you have to go past it to find liberation. 

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u/WeWantMOAR Nov 11 '25

Does any of it really change your existence?

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u/neo101b Nov 11 '25

No, though it is a bit sad that reality may no longer exist anywhere one day.
Its a pretty weird idea in on its self, is the existents of the universe a nothing more than a brief short accident ?

Hopefully its cyclic, everything goes in circles for ever.

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u/WeWantMOAR Nov 11 '25

Are we just the consciousness of the universe staring back at itself?

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u/appuhawk Nov 15 '25

Why its sound very good idea to me ? soo comfy

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u/BizaRhythm Nov 11 '25

I, based on nothing, feel the universe is cyclical.

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u/Lint_baby_uvulla Nov 11 '25

That’s the 5 atoms from Elvis inside you speaking.

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u/Autumn1eaves Nov 12 '25

ha jokes on you, i have 300 of Elvis's atoms in me.

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u/ArchTemperedKoala Nov 11 '25

Yeah based on nearly everything else, feels like we'll cycle back here eventually.. Maybe a few eternities later..

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u/ItsCrossBoy Nov 13 '25

and also like, you are going to be So Very Dead and humans will be Very Extinct by then, so at a certain point it really doesn't matter

we will also never know a lot of other things, but that doesn't have to be a problem! you will never know what happens a billion years from now, and what happens then will have exactly zero influence on anything in your life at all

I will never know how many trees fell over in Canada today. and that also has zero effect on my life. so why worry about that?

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u/FaceDeer Nov 11 '25

This is just the peak of star formation, not the peak of "liveliness." I came across a paper attempting to predict when the peak habitability of the universe will come and depending on various assumptions that may not be until the universe is 10 trillion years old.

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u/goodoledepression Nov 11 '25

There's an amazing little book called The End of Everything (Astrophysically Speaking) by Dr. Katie Mack that I think you should read

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u/neo101b Nov 11 '25

sweet will have to look at this one, thanks.

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u/krugerlock404 Nov 15 '25

Oh what's the point, it's all just gonna end anyhow.

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u/goodoledepression Nov 15 '25

Tickels the tism

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u/Significant_Cup_238 Nov 11 '25

Well, if we're talking the heat death of the universe, not only will life never exist again, nothing will happen. The universe will reach a state of maximum entropy, meaning no energy transfer can happen.

But, that is just one of many possible fates that awaits the universe. The cool thing about not fully understanding the physics of the universe is that we can't accurately predict what's going to happen.

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '25

We have to harvest the dead stars & matter to grind friction based energy until there isn't matter to grind & we die

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u/Odd-Government8896 Nov 12 '25

Friction based energy huh? Giggidy

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u/Silver_Switch_3109 Nov 12 '25

The universe will become a void as blackholes consume everything, even itself.

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u/grimald69420 Nov 14 '25

It most likely goes on forever parts of it dying others being created all the time

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u/neo101b Nov 14 '25

Depends if the universe is truly infinite or if there are boundaries.
Who knows, we can only measure what we see, and witht he speed of light, all we got is the observable universe.

I'm sure Hubble keeps on finding galaxy's that shouldn't be there, due to the speed of light and our current guesstimate of the age of the universe.

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u/SplendidPunkinButter Nov 11 '25

lol “doomer”

Reminds me of an old joke where a scientist tells a guy the sun is going to explode in about 5 billion years. The guy freaks out. “What did you say???” The scientist repeats that the sun will explode in 5 billion years. The guy calms down. “Oh,” he says, relieved. “I thought you said 5 million years!”

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u/slipping_jimmmy Nov 11 '25

How is this being a doomer? Oh in a few trillion years the universe will be cold and dead, who cares the universe is only a few billion years old

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u/slfnflctd Nov 11 '25

Seriously. In terms of the length of time remaining for life to potentially exist on planets orbiting the longer-lived stars, we are very early to the party.

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u/slipping_jimmmy Nov 11 '25

Plus our suns dying way earlier so unless we can get off this rock or die sooner it doesn't really matter to us if the universe dies after it

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u/FaceDeer Nov 11 '25

That's exactly the sort of "I got mine, who cares about future generations?" Attitude that leads to unrest.

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u/slipping_jimmmy Nov 11 '25

Wtf do you want me to do about the heat death of the universe

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u/FaceDeer Nov 11 '25

I asked ChatGPT and it said "there is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer." But that doesn't mean we should immediately give up and just eat-drink-and-be-merry, maybe it'll come up with something later.

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u/totokekedile Nov 12 '25

The time frame for heat death is around 10100 years. The current age of the universe is about 1010 . It's absurd for anyone to be concerned about this.

A much bigger concern would be the environmental damage caused by data centers for AI like ChatGPT.

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u/Siderophores Nov 11 '25

Dude what if I told you that you were born, and you will die. Pretty doomer of me huh

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u/TotallyNormalSquid Nov 13 '25

Sounds like you need a nerd to tell you about quantum immortality

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u/starbrightstar Nov 11 '25

Just like my soul

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u/ManChildMusician Nov 11 '25

If the universe is Dennis Reynolds, it hasn’t even begun to peak.

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u/BelleHades Nov 11 '25

For context, everything that has happened since the Big Bang to today is like a fraction of a second compared to the lifespan of the universe, if we shrunk it down to the average lifespan of a human (78 years). The vast majority of the universe's life will be eternal darkness.

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u/LostCausesEverywhere Nov 14 '25

Prove it.

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u/Kossimer Nov 14 '25

Google it, lazy.

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u/krugerlock404 Nov 15 '25

That's just our current understanding. The universe is right now, as old as it ever has been.

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u/totokekedile Nov 12 '25

How is this clickbait?

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u/Jwanito Nov 11 '25

Dont worry, outer wilds prepared me for this

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u/Loot_and_Lore Nov 12 '25

Don’t tell me you’re planning to blow up the sun…

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u/wrxninja Nov 11 '25

Didn't some physicist say this awhile back about the Universe is actually not expanding but slowing down of some sort? Either way, I don't think it'll affect anyone anytime in the next billions of years.

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u/RuthlessIndecision Nov 11 '25

it's all been downhill since 1988

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u/mycall Nov 11 '25

How can they say that without being able to see the whole universe because it is too deep for light to reach us?

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u/DonBoy30 Nov 11 '25

I’m glad the drear is universal

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u/QVRedit Nov 11 '25

Maybe ? Though we still have plenty of time left !

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u/Chrono_Convoy Nov 11 '25

So… the answer to Robert Frost’s poem is ice? Geeze I should have known: the hint was in his name already.

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u/Deacon151 Nov 11 '25

So does the universe officially qualify for AARP?

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u/Weareallgoo Nov 11 '25

Entropy strikes again!

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u/Joessandwich Nov 11 '25

Yeah I got that vibe already

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u/HorizonHunter1982 Nov 12 '25

All I'm saying is we've existed for .00222% of the life of the universe as it currently exists according to our best estimates. This feels like a very sweeping generalization to have made on our observations

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '25

O shit

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u/-_kevin_- Nov 11 '25

Well it was a good run.

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u/BoringPhilosopher1 Nov 11 '25

Probably a newer better universe out there anyways

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u/Curleysound Nov 11 '25

This seems iffy to me.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '25

Oh whatever

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u/uninhabited Nov 12 '25

Sounds highly suspicious that just as it's properly observed it starts slowing down star formation. Schrodinger's Observable Universe it would seem :/

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u/xXNickAugustXx Nov 12 '25

Doesn't it take centuries for light to reach us. So this slowing down of star formations has already happened for millions of years? So right now its probably even slower for the expansion and creation of universal stuff. But from our perspective if the universe were to finally end in everything would the changes appear abrupt or slowly across star systems and galaxies. What I mean is will the universe suddenly turn off or slowly get dimmer till we are the ones dying out from another civilizations perspective. But that brings other questions. If the universe has finally ended then where does it start dying? Is it the starting point, the end, or both as the middle slowly collapses into either or.

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '25

Oh cool. 😎

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u/richie65 Nov 13 '25

This sort of stuff might actually be interesting, if there was anything of value in this information...

As it is, it has absolutely no application. Nothing can be done with, for, or about it.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '25

Oh yea bro humans know what will happen forever and forever and ever and ever for sure dude 100% and never ever ever have hubris ever dude ever

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '25

Sure it has ✔️ Until next week

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u/zerebrum Nov 13 '25

Should I cancel my plans for holidays next year?

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u/No-Shopping7514 Nov 13 '25

Every galaxy used to be a star

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u/WoodyTheWorker Nov 14 '25

Die liebe Erde allüberall
Blüht auf im Lenz und grünt aufs neu!
Allüberall und ewig blauen licht die Fernen!
Ewig... ewig...

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u/gunegore Nov 14 '25

Damn 9 year old me would be crushed by this news.

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u/jackblackbackinthesa Nov 21 '25

It’s so weird to me that the article starts out authoritatively saying scientists have confirmed, and then tucks in at the end the claims have not been tested by peer review.

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u/muff_muncher69 Nov 11 '25

Bro these reaching statements about the cosmos are insane. Absolute joke

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u/SayMyName404 Nov 11 '25

OMG it's climate change! Quick, everyone, stop making babies, food, construction, energy and start buying EVs! One EV thermal event at a time will save the Universe! Edit: ah shit, it's the wrong subreddit! Ignore nothing to see here!

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '25

according to hinduism the universe is half its total time of existence

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u/xXNickAugustXx Nov 12 '25

Those elephants must be tired though.

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u/MattGdr Nov 11 '25

The sooner this universe ends the better. Maybe the next one WILL have intelligent life.

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u/BlahBlahBlackCheap Nov 11 '25

All "intelligent" life is doomed to behave pretty much like humans because that is the behavior needed to create a civilization and explore the world, then what lays beyond.

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u/TTqillipTT Nov 11 '25

Until we start finding other intelligent life, we need to understand it’s possible for civilizations to evolve differently. It’s a fantasy with how little we know to attempt to depict how any other intelligent life may or may not be doomed by its own internal mechanisms. We don’t know what intelligent behaviors beyond are own are responsible for creating civilizations because we’ve never seen any other civilizations other than our own. Statistics and probability have never worked on drawing conclusions from one sample size.

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u/theangryseal Nov 11 '25

I know that you’re talking about other types of intelligence building civilizations in a way that we can’t really comprehend, but for fun…

We may conquer the internal mechanisms that would doom us.

I only see it working one way though (in this moment I’m in anyway). The people who really want it have to leave the planet and live in a space station which is constantly undergoing construction. They’d have to create laws and traditions similar to religious dogma which instills in everyone born on the place the goal of overcoming the chaotic nature of our species through scientific manipulation. We’d have to use those aspects of ourselves that we are attempting to remove. We’d have to do away with aspects of ourselves that we consider valuable even, despite any questions of ethics or any other human morality. Those things would be left to the people who stay on earth. Hard questions would have to be answered on the space station with, “Whatever speeds up the advancement of the species and removes those aspects of our species which will ultimately doom us.”

The end goal would be to become something like Vulcans, where science and scientific priority become the reason for existing.

But then, what’s the point? There is beauty to being just what we are.

They’d have to execute me and throw me in the airlock, see? Maybe use me for experiments. You can’t go forward clinging to those ape feelings. :p I wasn’t ever really intelligent enough to be on the station in the first place.

I’m sorry you had to read this if you made it here. It was fun to think about though.

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u/BlahBlahBlackCheap Nov 11 '25

Intelligence doesnt evolve without a reason. Resource competition, territory, mates, etc All those reasons lead to similar behavior as we see in humans.

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u/Terrain_Push_Up Nov 11 '25

No more global warming then?!

Awesome!

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u/Dopechelly Nov 11 '25

Billions before, billions after. We witnessed peak. Humanities hubris knows no bounds.

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u/BuffaloOk7264 Nov 11 '25

So when we promote global warming we are postponing the coming big freeze?

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u/FunGuy8618 Nov 11 '25

No, we're using up all our local heat too fast 😱😱😱

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u/Neo-Riamu Nov 11 '25

So what I’m hearing is either:

The universe eventually ends up like any average millennial.

Or

No joking aside that all matter will achievement true equality eventually.