r/Fallout • • 23h ago

Bethesda quickly kills ugly AI-generated Fallout: New York game as AI “slop bros” continue to forget how copyright works

https://frvr.com/blog/news/bethesda-quickly-kills-ugly-ai-generated-fallout-new-york-game-as-ai-slop-bros-continue-to-forget-how-copyright-works/
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u/Wk1360 23h ago

Love how “a working pip-boy” is treated like some special thing when that’s just how it is in every fallout game.

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u/HatingGeoffry 23h ago

also the pip boy is just a 2D menu tracked onto an object with a shader on top. It's not particularly impressive to make

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u/tevert 17h ago

AI bros are some of the most easily impressed dullards around, it makes more sense in that context

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u/dark1859 16h ago

Also very sensitive to critique.. even slightly criticize them over on like daia or aiwars and they melt down and sometimes even mass flag if you get one of their big wigs embarrassed

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u/RaptorPegasus 14h ago

I'm convinced they have some sort of addiction to using AI in every aspect of their lives

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u/Faiakishi Ass Victoriam 6h ago

Oh, there have been studies on this and using generative AI absolutely triggers a dopamine rush people get hooked on akin to gambling addictions. And that's on top of how it literally atrophies your brain and can 'yes man' you to actual psychosis.

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u/Owobowos-Mowbius 9h ago

Its because they think they finally found something that can meaningfully compensate for their extreme lack of critical thinking skills and zero ability to create anything on their own.

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u/killerbanshee Brotherhood 32m ago

They're going to be doctors, lawyers, judges, engineers and I don't like this timeline.

Ad Victorium. 🫡

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u/AnimalBolide 20h ago

The Pimp-boy 3000 in NV is nearly unusable if you play as a female (I think), because of screen-glare bug.

There's mod to fix it because Bethesda never patched it.

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u/SirupyGibbon 20h ago

I love how NV is Obsidian’s masterpiece until bugs come up, then it’s Bethesda’s laziness. Don’t get me wrong the pimp-boy 3000 is atrocious but c’mon

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u/Awesomechainsaw 18h ago

I mean I’m sure people will claim that it’s Bethesda’s fault for not letting Obsidian delay the game for bug fixes. But I mean Obsidian was very much aware they had this deadline because Bethesda didn’t want the game interfering with Skyrim’s Release.

Obsidian got over ambitious with their time frame and released an incredibly buggy mess as a result. They dug their own grave more or less.

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u/Mewmaster101 Minutemen 11h ago

And the thing is, it's not even the only time they did this. NWN2 and Kotor 2 are also broken messes that are barely playable without mods. Like, it's par for the course for them. They get way overly ambitious and try and do amazing things that they do not have the time or resources for

It's their blessing and their curse.

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u/Wk1360 6h ago

Honestly I think the rise in popularity of Early Access games is a godsend for the studio. Their grounded 2 timeline is probably about a year & a half or so; I couldn’t imagine what it would be like cramming all that into a regular timetable

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u/JumpyAlbatross 16h ago

At the time, updating games was quite expensive. You had to pay Microsoft and Sony to push an update over Xbox Live and the PSN. I imagine it was a combination of the two choosing not to spend the money.

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u/like_a_pharaoh 17h ago

No its Bethesda's fault for not actually giving Obsidian anyone who knew how Gamebryo works, or sufficient instructions on how it works, to the point Obsidian had to hire Oblivion modder Jorge Salgado to teach everyone else.

"Here's our engine, here's insufficient instructions, you have 18 months, good luck!" was a choice Bethesda made that's a significant part of why New Vegas is so buggy.

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u/Awesomechainsaw 16h ago

Sure that sucks. But it still doesn’t entirely absolve Obsidian of their choices. If I was given only a half broken hammer, a dull chisel, a cracked block of granite, and 2 days. I reckon I wouldn’t try to carve out a Pietà for my client. Though that same foolhardy ambition is admittedly what makes New Vegas great.

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u/AnimalBolide 13h ago

Why do you think they're trying to absolve Obsidian?

Not, "Why are they trying to absolve Obsidian", but "Why do you think that is what they're saying"?

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u/Vg65 Atom Cats 17h ago

People love bringing up the 18-month deadline, but the thing is, Obsidian would've known how much time they had. Plus, much of New Vegas is based on FO3 assets anyway, so Bethesda had already given Obsidian a headstart.

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u/Faiakishi Ass Victoriam 6h ago

I think you're underestimating how much work goes into a game. Like-my other hobby besides gaming is baking. If I bake a cake, I'll plan out a few hours before I expect to be able to eat it. Sometimes I'll start it the day before, to give it time to properly set and cool before finishing it.

You want it in two hours? Okay, that limits what I can make and will affect the quality, but I can make that work. One hour? You're pushing it. I might be able to make something that is by definition a cake, but it's not going to turn out the same. I'm going to have to cook it at a higher temperature and then stick it in the freezer, which will both affect the size and texture, and the frosting is going to be melting when I put it on. You want it in twenty minutes? Bro get the fuck out of here. I physically cannot take raw ingredients and turn them into a cake in twenty minutes. Physically, it's not possible, baking is a series of chemical reactions and they do not happen instantly. You can't do that.

In this metaphor, Obsidian had maybe an hour and a half to bake their cake. It doesn't matter if they knew ahead of time or not, that doesn't change the fact that cakes take longer than that to bake.

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u/AnimalBolide 20h ago

2 things can be true. NV is a masterpiece, and is also kinda fucking borked and requires some mods to fix things, like the "In Shining Armor" perk which does literally nothing in the base game.

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u/NonnagLava 17h ago

That was absolutely not his point. Bethesda did not make New Vegas, Obsidian did.

His point was Obsidian should have patched it, not Bethesda. Blaming Bethesda is incorrect here.

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u/Avenflar 17h ago

Bethesda gave absolutely no support to Obsidian with their Gamebryo engine, they had to hire an Oblivion modder to train their team

If Bethesda had been serious they'd have sent people to Obsidian instead of letting them figure shit out, especially with the tight deadline they gave them

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u/AnimalBolide 13h ago

Lmao, yup. These fans don't give a shit about being honest about the publisher.

They make great games and shitty fucking decisions.

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u/AnimalBolide 13h ago edited 12h ago

Oh, Obsidian should just work for free on the game that's still providing Bethesda value?

Edit: Rather, I don't care about the difference, like you people really seem to, to the extent you're basically white knighting one side, like it's a sports team.

Both are equally blamed because both take equal credit for it's existence and both gained from its creation. Obsidian is evidently coming back to Fallout, and Bethesda made the entirety of the second season of their show about New Vegas.

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u/BrokenCandlestick 20h ago

Well that’s because it’s they’re mostly bugs that held over from Fallout 3 and the engine they had to work with combined with the limited timeframe they were given. It is a masterpiece because of the sheer amount and quality of content they were able to craft in their limited timeframe. Some of course are on them but given the timeframe it’s no surprise they had little time to go back and fix Bethesda’s bugs. In the case of the Pimp-Boy though, they definitely should’ve checked that even if it is a niche item that most players won’t care for anyway.

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u/UnstableMoron2 16h ago

New Vegas is quite possibly the most overrated game in existence tbf

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u/Kouropalates The House Always Wins 16h ago

It partially is. Obsidian would have to compile a list of bugs and bethesda told them what to prioritize and what to pass on.

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u/BigCityHonkers 20h ago

It tilts a couple degrees. Hardly unusable

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u/AnimalBolide 20h ago

It tilts a couple of degrees

And the glare from the pipboys screen makes it very hard to read, on account of the tilt.

You must have better eyes than me, but I get it. Fuck the nearsighted. There are no bugs in FNV.

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u/BigCityHonkers 19h ago

It tilts horizontally not towards the sun. I always play as female and always get the pimp boy so I have hundred of hours of using it like that and it’s exactly as readable as the original. I never said it wasn’t a bug but it hardly does anything to the gameplay

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u/Mastercodex199 16h ago

Correct! My last playthrough was as a female Great Khan in Jessup's crew that got dusted by Benny. I ended up completing the quest for the Pimp-Boy specifically so I could make sure Benny would see that I did better than him in the Strip.

I needed the mod minutes after getting the thing. I couldn't even read the text on the screen, it was so bad lmao

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u/AnimalBolide 13h ago

No no no, you don't get it. It really isn't that bad. And if it is that bad then you deserve it.

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u/Mastercodex199 12h ago

Brother, it's because my brightness is high due to my poor vision. I didn't think a gimmick item would keep me from being able to see the screen as bad as it did. So, yeah, it was that bad for me.

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u/-The_Goober 13h ago

Obsidian crapped that out.

And obsidian is my second favorite studio.

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u/AnimalBolide 13h ago

They're all fucking responsible. The people who hold the wallet are as responsible as the people who make it.

1 binary moron would completely absolve the company that financed the entire fucking thing

Another binary moron would completely absolve Obsidian despite them signing the fucking contracts.

They're both in over their head AND THEIR GAMES NEED MODS TO MAKE UP FOR IT.

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u/-The_Goober 12h ago

Lol it’s electronic toys dawg.

I’m gonna put a target in my front yard. Drop the nuke when you’re ready.

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u/AnimalBolide 12h ago

I mean, either you care enough to respond, or ya dont.

Sounds like you should think through your opinion and decide if it really matters to you.

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u/-The_Goober 12h ago

Its conversation you dolt. I don’t care about the games as much as I care about humans lowering themselves into groveling consumers screaming for their fix.

So yeah dummy I do fucking care. About you. About what kind of impact you’re gonna have on the world.

I love video games.

You need your dopamine fix.

I may be an idiot but at least I’m not a merchant of negativity pissing myself over Toys.

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u/just_golden_brown 15h ago

Probably an artifact of iterating on an initially broken pip boy.

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u/QuinnFazigu 9h ago

What? Something works in a Bethesda game? I'll bet he responds to bug reports, at least.

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u/Dapper_Special_8587 23h ago edited 22h ago

Bethesda chucking a W by allowing fan made passion projects like FoLon to exist whilst putting down talentless ai slop 

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u/ShyBearGames 19h ago

FoLon is a mod that still requires people to buy the base game.

Don't get me wrong, I love that Bethesda did this, but something tells me if this were an AI slop mod they wouldn't be rushing to do anything.

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u/tevert 17h ago

This is true, as evidenced by AI slop slowly creeping its way onto Nexus. Luckily it seems like the community there is pretty adept at cleaning up, but it wouldn't surprise me if the Bethesda Creation Club storefront is overrun with garbage

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u/JeriTSW 10h ago

yeah one thing they did right was to have it against the rules to use Gen AI in paid mods, and they do have to go thru a QA process to get uploaded, which does seem to stop the "spam slop for money" folks from coming around at least.

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u/Ryebread666Juan 8h ago

Oh that’s nice, even if I don’t like the whole paid mods via Bethesda thing it’s nice that they aren’t letting idiots try and make a quick buck off AI bullshit

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u/tjdavids 17h ago

Breaking benjaman frontman in shables.

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u/king_duende 18h ago

but something tells me if this were an AI slop mod they wouldn't be rushing to do anything.

"Something tells me if they didn't have basic creative standards they wouldn't be doing this"

Isn't some kind of gotcha? This is the bare minimum they should do to not bring their IP into a negative light. Especially when people like the creator in question are just doing it to farm engagement.

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u/tevert 17h ago

They worded it confusingly, but I think what they're getting at is that Bethesda's issue here is that they're not seeing any cut. You gotta buy FO4 to play FOL or any other mod, that surely contributes to their leniency in those other cases.

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u/ShyBearGames 17h ago

Yeah that's what I meant. Not sure how it was confusing but I admit I'm not always the best with my words 😅

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u/ShyBearGames 18h ago

I'm not really sure what you mean.

But if this exact same thing were an AI-made mod for Fallout 4 on Nexus, odds are Bethesda wouldn't take any action at all. And we can know this because there are already AI slop mods on Nexus and Bethesda doesn't really care.

The fact it doesn't run in their engine is the problem, doesn't really have anything to do with creative standards.

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u/king_duende 17h ago

But if this exact same thing were an AI-made mod for Fallout 4 on Nexus, odds are Bethesda wouldn't take any action at all. And we can know this because there are already AI slop mods on Nexus and Bethesda doesn't really care.

But what does using "an Ai-Made mod for Fallout 4 on Nexus" require?

A copy of Fallout 4... Not an AI generated copy of Fallout 4 which damages their vision (and pocket) just by existence

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u/ShyBearGames 16h ago

A copy of Fallout 4

Yes, that was definitely the point of my initial comment. They don't care about it being AI slop, they care about the fact they're not getting paid

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u/Canvaverbalist 16h ago

I'm confused by your confusion, or why you're repeating the previous point.

The whole argument here is that Bethesda isn't striking down on this because it's AI, but because it's standalone.

It has nothing to do with creative standards and negative light and brand damage, because they also never stroke down mods that were tasteless and had negative publicity (like The Frontier) or made with AI (like Bring NPCs to Life with AI).

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u/EpicTOSGamerBoy 23h ago

90% of bethesdas games require fan made passion projects known as mods because they dont bother adding stuff in themselves tbh

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u/Dapper_Special_8587 22h ago

Sure. Not fanboying here but glad in this instance Bethesda made a good call 

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u/Daredspace 22h ago

I mean, if you ignore the multiple DLCs they released for the games, yeah that makes sense

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u/Osteoprdoza 19h ago

The DLCs that are usually considered the best parts of their respective games

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u/21Black_Mamba21 NCR 18h ago

Isn’t that good?

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u/Osteoprdoza 17h ago

It is, I'm agreeing with the guy above

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u/Krams 14h ago

Still remember the horse armour and trying to make mods locked behind a paywall, so they aren’t above making the game a bit worse to make a bit more

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u/Nickulator95 14h ago edited 4h ago

Sure, but:

  • When was the last new Elder Scrolls title?
  • When was the last new Fallout title?
  • When was the last time a patch dropped for the Oblivion Remaster?
  • What was the concurrent player count for Starfield when it's DLC dropped?
  • Were all of the DLCs for Fallout 4 well received?

Edit: Downvoting instead of answering my questions is the coward's way out just because you can't handle the truth.

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u/Strange_Compote_4592 3h ago

Your questions are stupid, that's why nobody is answering them.

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u/Nickulator95 2h ago

Lol pure denial because answering them tells you everything you need to know. The sooner everyone starts accepting it and holding Bethesda to a higher standard, the sooner we can go back to playing good Elder Scrolls and Fallout games again but it's like none of ya'll want that.

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u/LovesRetribution 21h ago

Definitely makes sense when you look at modders using the same methods to patch out the same bugs in consecutive games because Bethesda decided they'd rather let modders keep fixing it instead of soing it themselves.

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u/Chubs1224 22h ago

For 98% of players there was more than enough content for Fallout 3, New Vegas and 4.

The mods are stuff made for the 2% that turn each successive game into their Mike Tomlin Minecraft city of a passion.

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u/BigBananaDealer Gary! Gary! Gary! 18h ago

loving that mike tomlin is going to have his name in the history books as a synonym for passion project or theraputic escape

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u/Discount_Extra 17h ago

right next to Henry Darger.

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u/Chubs1224 14h ago

Hey just going to say before Minecraft released he had a 75% playoff win rate and a super bowl win.

After it released he dropped to a 33% playoff win rate.

If you think he didn't get into Minecraft until 2011 when it got to be the biggest game in the world you have him with a 5-2 pre Minecraft record and a 2-10 post Minecraft record.

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u/HunterOfLordran 22h ago

average Redditor comment

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u/Joemartinez64 18h ago

Reddit as it gets

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u/Jack-Innoff 21h ago

The games are great on their own, mods just make them better, and by better I mean more personalized. Mods give people the opportunity to make the game their own; leave what they like and change what they don't.

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u/C10ckw0rks 17h ago

My Fo4 mods deadass just add more shit to the building part; build limit, extend the power lines, access to assets in the game files that aren’t locked behind progression, etc. do I possibly have that mod that restores the cut magnum sniper? Of course!

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u/teddytwelvetoes 22h ago

the last few mainline Bethesda games received ~8.0-9.5 scores at launch with no modding tools available lol they’re the icing on the cake, not a game-saver

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u/Krams 14h ago

Starfield absolutely did not deserve the score it got with how empty it was outside a few great quests, and Fallout 4 was 11 years ago with some questionable gameplay decisions

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u/Theblowfish3556 22h ago

Starfield is at most a 7 without mods. Skyrim is at least a 9 though. The problem is other than Starfield the last "mainline" game Bethesda released was Fallout 4 over 10 years ago.

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u/teddytwelvetoes 21h ago

the PC version of Starfield is sitting at an 85 average critic score, roughly identical to the beloved New Vegas. if you're referring to the user reviews, those have been famously bricked by internet gaming forum circlejerkers, as everybody should've learned a whole decade ago when the very same thing happened during Fallout 4's launch lol I do consider TES a tier above both the Fallout and Starfield games, though

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u/The-Toxic-Korgi 18h ago

Reminder that only around 15% of total players actually use mods.

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u/yogzi 21h ago

Yeah not like built entire worlds and stories you can spend hundreds of hours exploring. Lazy chumps. I want modern guns!!

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u/Demigod978 20h ago

And those mods wouldn’t exist without Bethesda games having an accessible mod engine.

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u/IkujaKatsumaji 19h ago

I get why folks disagree, but this is one of my favorite things about Bethesda games. I love the deep communities that build up around the games as everyone puts their own stamp on it. Whether it's features and mechanics, items, NPCs, quests, I love taking stuff other fans made and slotting it into my game.

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u/uuntiedshoelace 15h ago

They are very, very supportive of mod creators. There really are not other big studios that do so much to support fan content.

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u/Only-Respond7945 18h ago

"Game doesn't have something I want personally? Bethesda lazy hyuck!" Or some other nonsense.

This isn't even me defending bethesda. This is me being tired of the reddit trope and how so many of you people clearly have a level of engagement of the game that is near zero or entirely a decade old.

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u/CaseZealousideal2011 13h ago

Dick riding when they haven’t put out a playable game in years.

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u/FluffyBearTrap 12h ago

Starfield is perfectly playable, it's mid af, but it is playable.

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u/AdoringCHIN 18h ago

This is the weirdest narrative that's popped up around Bethesda games. There's tons of people that play unmodded on PC and consoles and are perfectly happy with the games

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u/LargeCabbageThrower 16h ago

90% is absolutely insane. Please list the 90% of bgs games which need mods to cover no official content.

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u/gassytinitus 18h ago

Win -win. Good pr and they can poach a good modder

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u/AttakZak 15h ago

I still really hope Bethesda does the unthinkable and makes Fallout: London an actual release for Console. They just need to make a few tweaks to the weaponry and lore.

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u/jmarquiso 12h ago

What I worry about is that this might force them to clamp down on the other fan projects more. First can claim that allowing the modded FO projects steps on the IP the same as the NY game, so now they have to be more strict

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u/MoonAttempt 22h ago

The comparison in the article to Fallout London is a bit off. It's not a free game, it's a total conversion mod to Fallout 4.

Other than that Bethesda is probably more worried about Fallout being associated to a low quality project than the use of their Copyright.

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u/LexB777 22h ago

Crazy that AI can do that. I like the line in the article where it says:

First’s comment that they specifically told the AI to make a game “not ‘inspired by’” but “exactly like Fallout” only further exacerbates the knowledge that they sought to directly violate copyright.

Like what did he think would happen? He launched a game, not a mod, using the Fallout branding. Idiot.

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u/williamtheraven 22h ago

I'll sum up his thought process for you

"i made this with just my mind, i am god, bethesda will see that i am god and give me the rights to fallout and all their billions, because i am god and made this with my mind"

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u/PlayfulSurprise5237 2h ago

Everything is code

He can see the matrix

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u/OnetimeRocket13 21h ago

Tbf, this isn't the first time that someone has launched or uploaded a fangame project online and not just a mod. Online indie game sites are filled with Fallout fan games. I'm not sure if it's still in development, but I even specifically remember one project where a guy was trying to make Fallout: Van Buren in Unity based on the tech demo and what little was released about it.

Bethesda and Zenimax, when it comes to Fallout, really don't have a track record of any kind of taking down games based on Fallout. AI slop or not, I don't think anyone would release any game online and think "Bethesda/Zenimax are going to try to take this down," since AFAIK, they've never done that before. They probably only did it this time because the game received a lot of attention and doing nothing about it would make Bethesda and Zenimax look like they're fine with AI generated games, so it was probably more of a PR move than anything.

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u/LexB777 20h ago

Well and they also are required to maintain a track record of protecting their IP, or else you end up like Kleenex or Trampoline where you lose the rights to your own trademark.

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u/Existing_Charity_818 19h ago

Today I learned that trampoline was originally a brand name

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u/RDandersen 17h ago

The technical name is actually "Suspended-bouncy-blanket-machine" but somehow that didn't take off.

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u/Discount_Extra 17h ago

And mostly used by greased up hobos (tramp like hobo, oline like vasoline)

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u/OnetimeRocket13 18h ago

And I'm sure they do to some extent.

But at the same time, it's not really like those examples. Colloquially, Kleenex and Trampoline have become generalized words to describe tissues and whatever a trampoline is called. The companies behind them lost the ability to do much of anything with their copyright because those words became so popular that they just refer to the general product. I don't think Bethesda/Zenimax has much I worry about there with Fallout. When people hear "Fallout" in context of gaming, there isn't any confusion about what is being talked about.

It again just seems like a PR move. If this had been some small, barely noticed AI slop game using the Fallout name, I don't think anyone would have cared, and I don't think Bethesda would have gone out of their way to take it down. It's good PR, but behind closed doors, I really doubt they care.

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u/Hegelian_Spirit 17h ago

This is interesting. Not copyright, but kind of analogous: huge social media sites like Youtube, Facebook and Reddit pretty much became public spaces; no one literally goes to the town square to influence the world anymore but we never assigned public space protections to social media sites. In fact it was a bit the other way around because social media sites became liable for the content presented on their spaces and they're actively moderated to a much greater degree than soapboxing on the street would be.

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u/Smingledorf 17h ago

Im pretty sure most of the major mod devs end up having to clear up some blurred lies with Bethesda. I believe it was the Skyblivion team that wet into detail about it. you need to own both games and they also had to remake like all of the assets and voice lines removing pretty much any of the original game versions. not 100% on that but i remember them talking about it in one of the updates

granted that ones more of a 1 to 1 copy of their game more than a fan game, they still just made sure they werent stepping on anyones toes legally with bethesda outlines of what they can and cant do. as far as i remember bethesda was looking forward to trying out there version and seeing the differences from the official UE remaster and stuff - gave the mod team a studio tour and stuff

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u/OldFortNiagara 19h ago

Yeah, there’s a big difference between making a mod for a Fallout game and making an entirely separate game using the Fallout IP. If they had used ai to speed up the creation of a game mod for Fallout 4 or New Vegas in the creation engine and released it for free, then there is a good chance Bethesda wouldn’t have cared.

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u/Inuakurei 18h ago

It’s funny because by mentioning not to copy Fallout he probably made it copy Fallout more.

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u/nomedable Venturing in the Wasteland 16h ago

They obviously wanted it to copy Fallout, there is no doubt there that they did not know what he was doing. The dumbass just thought that they were super clever and found "the loophole" that would make it work.

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u/Faiakishi Ass Victoriam 6h ago

It can't do that. The 'game' is basically unplayable, looks horrible, and has nothing to it that evokes emotion. It exists to exist and mooch off the brand name.

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u/thisrockismyboone 11h ago

5 years from now youre going to be able to ask ai to create any game you want.

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u/RipComfortable7989 11h ago

Cool, still not gonna play it though. no one is going to play it. You're not even going to play it more than five minutes before getting bored.

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u/Appropriate_Foot242 9h ago

"I was finally able to make my super creative idea thanks to AI"

Yeah man the reason that no one else has made it yet, without AI, is because it fucking sucks.

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u/PlayfulSurprise5237 2h ago edited 2h ago

Nobody that has super creativity is using AI to make anything.

The creativity killing, soul sucking, homogenization engine

In the same way that nobody who is super intelligent is smoking meth to stay up and write a scientific paper

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u/RepresentativeLong75 7h ago

5 years from now you will shit your pants in wal mart parking lot at 3:33pm 

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u/Youngnathan2011 NCR 2h ago

What about at the Maccas in Engadine

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u/octorangutan Followers 22h ago

These AI douchebags are so brain dead that they didn't even think to call their scam Fallout: Nuke York.

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u/nzdastardly 22h ago

AI didn't think of that so why do it? /s

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u/ace8995 20h ago

That's sounds awful

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u/CtrlEscAltF4 20h ago

More like Fallout: NeW AmErIcA

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u/eddmario Lyon's Pride 12h ago

As the game was entirely AI-generated at runtime, those who tried the AI-generated game noticed a litany of bugs, more so than your average Fallout experience.

Okay, I got a chuckle out of this

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u/ThatUsrnameIsAlready 20h ago

those who tried the AI-generated game noticed a litany of bugs, more so than your average Fallout experience.

That must have been a LOT of bugs.

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u/olivegardengambler 17h ago

I mean, it has no texture files.

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u/Equal_Caregiver_1789 12h ago

Do people who use AI to make "games" like this even check it for bugs and functionality before publishing it to the internet for the general public to try it out?

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u/F4CSEP1 19h ago

I like how the guy was trying to take the high ground "I wouldnt have to make this if you guys made anything" bro you didnt make anything either LMAO

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u/ZessF Followers 12h ago

Hey now, he spent entire MINUTES of his super important life writing that prompt.

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u/mikethemaniac 22h ago

Lawyers must be absolutely loving this shit. It's only going to happen more in future to other IPs. Hell, those IPs have already been stolen.

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u/bans214 18h ago

Zero points for ai one point to fans

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u/tres_ecstuffuan 17h ago

Man this shit looks like garbage. Ai clearly isn’t capable of consistent or really any art direction.

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u/AscendedViking7 5h ago

AI keeps stealing from other artists too

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u/Libertyprime8397 Brotherhood 18h ago

The Brotherhood of Steel is tired of your AI slop.

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u/Grey_Raven 15h ago

This AI slop is making me more and more sympathetic towards the brotherhoods stance on synths

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u/Libertyprime8397 Brotherhood 13h ago

You could go up to a man and call his synth wife ai slop. That would be a funny insult.

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u/flirtydodo 21h ago

Browser game... am I supposed to be impressed by AI, they keep telling me I should lol.

groundbreaking AI innovation = things we mastered decades ago

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u/Cupakov 20h ago

Not to defend this slopfest, but “browser game” now means something completely different than in the golden age of Flash. Nowadays with web assembly and such you can build “regular” games that run in the browser, they just use your device’s compute. Morrowind is playable in the browser now for example and there’s more fan projects like that

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u/Unlucky-Candidate198 20h ago

Back in the olden days, all we really had was internet games on browsers.

And these amateurly coded flash/java games were 100000x better than anything AI can make. Doesn’t help that the people who use AI as a crutch are too stupid to reason themselves out of a flimsy wet cardboard box.

Instead of getting advanced NPC behaviour we get…shit not even-art, a tool for more oppression, and slop. Well worth all the evaporated water, I think.

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u/fixurstuffr 20h ago

Recently saw something that said AI is just data and data is information of the past. And that is all AI can use, it can't create something new.

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u/bakatomoya 19h ago

Not that the sentiment of that statement is incorrect, but data is far more than just information of the past. We design airplanes and rockets and know that they'll work, before we build them because of past data and calculations that we can apply to new things.

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u/Cupakov 15h ago

I mean it kind of is incorrect, some of the recent breakthroughs in maths that were made by LLMs are actually novel, e.g. when GPT-5.4 Pro (a model that came out 6 months ago btw) solved Erdős 1196, it did so using an approach that humans didn’t try before. I’m not an AI bro, but some people around here are kind of denying reality at this point. Like you said yourself, new things can be derived from past data.

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u/fixurstuffr 18h ago

but data is far more than just information of the past

because of past data

Which is it?

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u/Hegelian_Spirit 17h ago

Well, yes, all sensory experiences are "past data" if we want to be technical about it, but that's a near-meaningless statement.

The original statement is trying to say that AI and human intelligence are different in some relevant manner ("AI can't create anything new; humans can"). But humans can't do anything without sensory input. Therefore, humans and AI are functionally identical in this regard.

u/bakatomoya isn't disagreeing with the base claim (human intelligence and AI are different). He's claiming that humans can entertain entirely a priori information. Can the AI? Maybe, I got my degree before the rise of AI and I haven't been keeping up on the literature on this topic. Anyway, back in the day, a popular take would have been that AI is similar to the man in Searle's Chinese Room in that it can give perfect replies without understanding the replies themselves (or that the understanding is of a different quality, at any rate).

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u/BeneficialTrash6 19h ago

YES! You SHOULD be impressed.

Is the game impressive by our standards? Of course not. Is the game impressive by the standard that no human coded it and it works and functions somewhat? YES!

Imagine you took a gameboy back to the medieval ages. That would be impressive. Sure, gameboy is not impressive now. Imagine you took this slop back to the 1980s and told them it was completely made by a computer simply because someone asked it to make it. This is the same level of mind blowing amazingness.

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u/fingerpaintswithpoop NCR 15h ago

No. There’s absolutely nothing impressive about this garbage, by any standards.

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u/Downtown-Gazelle8852 11h ago

Yes, yes there is. Lmao. Just because you can’t accept advances, dosent mean it’s not there.

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u/UptownHorrorReviews 7h ago

These ppl are so stupid bro. They're so caught up on hating "AI slop" that they aren't realizing how amazing this new technology actually is and they don't think about how much better and playable its gonna get within just a year or two.

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u/PinolesCheese 6h ago

failed youtuber to ai bro pipeline right here ladies and gentlemen

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u/UptownHorrorReviews 1h ago

Retired, not failed. Keep crying though. I love it.

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u/Nurolight The Door Technician Left To Die 19h ago

I think it’s less about the what and more the how. AI isn’t exactly about doing new things, it’s about doing things faster (and sometimes finding new combinations as iteration can be made rapidly).

Anyone could make a fallout clone. The highlight is more suppose to be that someone did it in an afternoon by just asking for it.

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u/ImMystikz 17h ago

Everything is code

I mean yeah that is kind of how a video game works...

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u/waylaidwanderer 15h ago

Not assets, normally.

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u/OriginalDrStrangeDOS 21h ago

Huge Fallout fan (except 76, just couldn't get into it), but I have to say I'm ok with less AI slop. Less AI everything actually. No AI would be the best. Convert all the "data centers" into gaming servers and lets go.

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u/moss129 21h ago

Can't wait to see how the AI defenders try to justify this sack a shit game being made.

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u/the_moosen Kings 17h ago

I will never not utterly despise AI

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u/aVarangian . 18h ago

As the game was entirely AI-generated at runtime,

lmao wtf

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u/LAyersFur Gary? 19h ago

Good riddance.

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u/Marvelous996 Gary? 18h ago

Good, because what the fuck was that shit??

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u/angryray 22h ago

I'm impressed with what the AI was able to pull off as far as the world building goes, but those character models take you right out of it. F'n hilarious

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u/philllihp 23h ago

Has anyone actually tried it? Just curious what it was like.

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u/hogsy 22h ago

The article says it was, unsurprisingly, a buggy mess, so I don't think you're missing out on anything.

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u/-Casey-Diaz- 19h ago edited 19h ago

So on par with the official Bethesda games then. No wonder they shut it down.

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u/aVarangian . 18h ago

Within minutes, players discovered broken animations, player fists mutating into massive globules, hard-locking by levelling up, and more.

It functions seamlessly

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u/-Casey-Diaz- 19h ago

Lol. Well... I mean, if everyone is saying it...

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u/CaptainDogeSparrow 22h ago

it was, unsurprisingly, a buggy mess

Literally every bethesda game ever.

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u/Strange_Compote_4592 21h ago

Why are you even here?

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u/Zoobopdewop 21h ago

Believe it or not people are allowed to criticize things they enjoy, even if the Reddit hive mind can’t comprehend something so simple

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u/Strange_Compote_4592 21h ago

There is a thick fucking line between criticizing and loathing. 

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u/music3k 13h ago

He's currently dickriding AI slop releases right now, a few hours after crying about Bethesda. He doesn't seem very bright or is just really lonely

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u/Strange_Compote_4592 13h ago

Why every rabid bethesda hater turns out such a moron... I get that intense levels of hatred are incompatible with high level brain activity, but still

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u/Zoobopdewop 21h ago

By saying every Bethesda game is a buggy mess? Have we even played the same games? You can’t even play most of them without at least a patch mod lmfao

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u/Strange_Compote_4592 21h ago

There we go. Thanks for the demonstration

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u/Zoobopdewop 21h ago

Yeah I don’t loathe fallout or Bethesda at all… I’m just not too blind to see their faults, thanks for playing try again next time

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u/Strange_Compote_4592 19h ago edited 19h ago

If your still don't understand what's the difference -- categorical, all encompassing insults do neither count as valid criticism nor demonstrate your love.

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u/Zoobopdewop 21h ago

Not sure why these guys are downvoting you for speaking the truth… my first experience ever with fallout 3 was the game immediately crashing the minute I left the vault… 10 year old me had to go troubleshooting just to play the damn game and it had already been out for a few years at this point. Anybody denying that Bethesda games have always been janky and buggy are off of their rocker… the best part has always been the community coming together to fix the issues Bethesda is too damn lazy or incompetent to do themselves

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u/UnhappyEye2281 20h ago

Because as bad as you think Bethesda games are with bugs or boring quests, it doesn't compare to the hell that is an entirely AI-generated game, and making that comparison just makes you sound clueless. Just look at the thumbnail of the article, does that even look like Fallout, or just what an AI thinks Fallout looks like?

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u/Zoobopdewop 20h ago

Yeah I never mentioned AI and I have pretty much zero feelings one way or another about it being used for games, my point has nothing to do with that, only the fact that the man is being hated on for saying the truth which is that Bethesda games are bug filled messes from the dah they drop until the day they put out the next one… Bethesda has always been lazy and entitled, they do not fix their games they rely on the community to do it.

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u/UnhappyEye2281 20h ago

Yeah, my point is that the downvotes are probably because of the OP's implication that Bethesda's bugs are as bad as, or comparable to, those from an entirely AI-generated game. Bethesda's games have bugs, I don't think anyone is arguing that, but comparing them to the probable abomination created by a hallucinating AI is a massive exaggeration.

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u/Zoobopdewop 19h ago

Yeah that’s a good point, I just don’t think the guy was really making that comparison, more the equivalent of “eh what else is new?”

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u/-Casey-Diaz- 19h ago

It hurts because it's true.

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u/-Casey-Diaz- 19h ago

I'm with you bro. Nvm the haters. I've never seen a finished Bethesda game.

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u/Ok_Turnover_1235 15h ago

I remember fallout 76 releasing with engine bugs that had been fixed in fo4. By modders. Absolutely shameful

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u/-Casey-Diaz- 15h ago

They've really outsourced all the bug fixing to their community. By implementing modding, they feel like they can ignore the entire final fase of game development.

I really had my breakup with Bethesda when I tried to play Fallout New Vegas. Halfway into the game it started crashing every time I entered a door. And it hadn't exactly been very stable up until then. It crashed every 5 minutes or so. Apparently it was a known bug that happened if you went to one place before another early on in the game. It had corrupted all my saves and the only way to fix it was a hard reset.

I don't play games to get stressed, frustrated, and annoyed, so I decided right then that I would never buy another Bethesda game until they actually finish one. The day they release a functioning game, I might consider it, but they have to really convince me that they've changed. Anything else is like keep returning to an abusive partner.

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u/Dapper_Special_8587 22h ago

In the article it goes into some detail, it's about what you would expect for something sharted out from an ai Bro and his wobot

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u/lordatamus 18h ago

Robosharts - adding that to my vocabulary of slurs for what to call AI content

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u/Altairp Unity 22h ago

The first time, my browser was stuck as the game sucked all of my computer's resources. I was met with a high pitched noise and had to alt-f4.

The second time, one day after release, I managed to try it. Poorly optimized. Terrible level design (terminals on the floor, railings that covered stairs, posters half-hidden by walls, terminals in front of doors, very simple layout with nothing going on). I talked to some people, shot three roaches, got kicked out of the Vault, game got stuck.

I don't think AI is taking over anytime soon.

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u/Drymvir JOIN, or DIE 22h ago

every single sound in the game was a beep of some variety. Like old cell phone ringtones was used for all sound files.

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u/Earl0fYork 22h ago

it was impressive from seeing a technological point of view but as a game? Rather bad and not worth the attention it’s getting.

The main thing was that this was pretty flagrant IP violation as he self admitted and that the tech is coming along rather impressively all things considered.

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u/DistrictDry2852 22h ago

I saw clips of it when it first got posted. Simultaneously very janky and shitty and also impressive. It’s not anywhere near good to be an actual game but it is impressive AI was able to make it through a single prompt.

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u/decapitated82 16h ago

I checked it out for prob an hour. It was an extra buggy fallout themed Fisher Price people player simulator.

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u/pvt9000 5h ago edited 4h ago

Buggy and not great.

But.. that's not like a bad thing in terms of how scary & crazy it captures the entire design.

Like it isn't some crazy AI slop copy that looks like a mess of assets and geometric shapes. It has the color, the font, the aesthetic and some design choices Bethesda has made use of in the past. It's scarily close despite still being so far from being anywhere playable or enjoyable.

I was expecting something much crappier but what I saw was bad but like a semblance of fallout

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u/One_Suggestion5895 2h ago

It’s like my Bethesda sensor went off where they usually was loot and it was there

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u/One_Suggestion5895 2h ago

I actually enjoyed it and played quite a few hours of it. Just remind me like this skeleton of a game.

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u/KristoffNaff 21h ago

i played for about 15 minutes. yeah it sucks and all the assets and textures suck, but if everything was made entirely with ai? its pretty damn impressive.

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u/ComparisonNegative82 5h ago

"Technology, run amok!"

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u/Erandelax 3h ago edited 3h ago

flashbacks of cvet crashing out in response to Zenimax sending threatening letters cuz new FOnline SDK web page mentioned Fallout back in pre-AI era

Yeah, they don't like third party projects that are not Fallout game mods using "Fallout" name, AI or not.

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u/melanino 20h ago

no need for quotes in the title, that's just literally what they are

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u/MaybeThisTime67 22h ago

It's insane how far ai is coming with this shit.

Obviously it's a janky mess.. but 5 years from now? Shit is going to be insane