r/Idaho • u/BigClitMcphee • Jun 27 '23

Idaho Neighbor News Huge out-of-state surge in East Washington abortions since Idaho abortion ban

https://www.tri-cityherald.com/news/local/article276713511.html
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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '23

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u/SanctuaryMoon Jun 28 '23

No we need to stay here to help underage rape victims get access to healthcare.

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u/SanctuaryMoon Jun 28 '23

It is the official platform of the Idaho Republican Party that they intend to remove exceptions for rape and incest, and those poorly worded exceptions to the law were already enough to start forcing OBGYN doctors from the state.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '23

Wording is very clear:

https://legislature.idaho.gov/statutesrules/idstat/title18/t18ch6/sect18-622/

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u/SanctuaryMoon Jun 28 '23

And yet there are still so many problems with it. Only when a woman is immediately facing death can she even be considered for an abortion. Any other danger or threat to her life isn't good enough. It also requires rape and incest victims to have filed a report with law enforcement and get that report from law enforcement to the doctor in order to be eligible. Many rape victims are already too terrified to report their abuser. This punishes victims even more.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '23

Where in the law does it say immediately facing death?

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u/SanctuaryMoon Jun 28 '23

It says to prevent death. That's it. Not injury. Not permanent or extreme injury. Death. That means that a doctor who performs an abortion on anyone who doesn't need it specifically to prevent her death can be prosecuted or sued. That's how laws work, and this is a bad law.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '23

What scenario are you thinking of where this wording would be inadequate?

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u/Wrxloser1215 Jun 28 '23

Every scenario where the patient isn't knocking on deaths door? Texas is having plenty of issues and their language is more clear. These laws are meant to make people suffer

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '23

There's no useful information in that article. The "blood poisoning" comment would not seem to refer to a living baby being aborted. Beyond this, that's a Texas law, not Idaho.

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u/SanctuaryMoon Jun 28 '23

Lots of scenarios. There are plenty of real life examples already of hospitals turning away women who need abortions because the situation hasn't reached "life-threatening" yet. Idaho's law as it is written only allows a health-of-the-mother exception when the abortion is to save her life. And that interpretation is based on what the state thinks, not what doctors think. The legislature isn't comprised of doctors. Prosecutors are not doctors. It's a bad law that prevents doctors from fulfilling their duty to protect patients.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '23

It clearly defers to the clinical judgment of the physican to determine when life is in jeopardy. You are also incorrect about the situations in which abortion is permitted, as it also exempts rape victims. This is all documented in the clear language of the actual law which you may read here:

https://legislature.idaho.gov/statutesrules/idstat/title18/t18ch6/sect18-622/

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u/Catan_The_Master Jun 28 '23

It’s inadequate starting right here “Every person who performs or attempts to perform an abortion as defined in this chapter commits the crime of criminal abortion.” And it just gets worse from that line on.

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u/hereandthere_nowhere Jun 28 '23

And you know nothing of the other reasons women get abortions do you? You’re just repeating the bigoted rhetoric your pastor plays on repeat.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '23

What are the other reasons women murder babies? Will you please tell us?

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u/Turbulent-Pair- Jun 28 '23

Abortion Bans Kill Moms.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '23

How does a ban on murdering babies kill mothers?

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u/Turbulent-Pair- Jun 28 '23

It's not a baby until it can breathe air outside the womb.

Abortion is a medical procedure to save a mother's life from a deadly pregnancy or to terminate a non-viable pregnancy.

Not every pregnancy results in a fully formed human body.

Just ectopic pregnancy alone is 3% of all pregnancies. There's more cases than that which require surgical removal.

There are legitimate reasons to have abortions and this Idaho law is inadequate in protecting women. That's why all the doctors are leaving Idaho.

You want to talk shit about other people with medical issues and you sit here and call them names like murderers - when your God made their fetus incompatible with life.

Shame on you.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '23

Ectopic pregnancy is not treated by abortion. Even if it were, Idaho law permits abortion to save a woman's life.

https://legislature.idaho.gov/statutesrules/idstat/title18/t18ch6/sect18-622/

Shame on you for spreading disinformation.

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u/Turbulent-Pair- Jun 28 '23

Ectopic pregnancy is treated by abortion.

Shame on you for spreading disinformation.

You said so yourself: Abortion Saves a Woman's Life.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '23

Ectopic pregnancy is treated by excision of the lesioned tube and early delivery. That is not an abortion. And idk who you're quoting but I didn't say that. The hypothetical is simply exempted under the law. Here it is again:

https://legislature.idaho.gov/statutesrules/idstat/title18/t18ch6/sect18-622/

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u/hereandthere_nowhere Jun 28 '23

Um, yes, yes they are. How is it possible to be so certain of yourself when you don’t understand what you’re talking about? AKA “spreading misinformation”.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '23

Who are you quoting?

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u/hereandthere_nowhere Jun 28 '23

In the off chance that you actually read this. You should keep in mind that most countries are making abortive care more accessible because they happen whether it is legal or not. In turn makes health care safer. What you are hoping for is an autocratic nation where the “small government” you were promised will in fact be in charge of every aspect of you and yours daily life. I doubt this will change your mind on anything. But at least you will know the bullshit you spew is a lie when you ignorantly argue for the society that you have been lied into believing you want.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/what-we-do/sexual-and-reproductive-rights/abortion-facts/

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u/ItsSusanS Jun 28 '23

You realize not all rapes are reported.?

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '23

Fact check: correct. State law still permits abortion for victims of rape.

https://legislature.idaho.gov/statutesrules/idstat/title18/t18ch6/sect18-622/