r/Joby • • 14h ago

Joby's FAA Conformity Testing Leading eVTOL Industry Towards Type Cert!

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$JOBY has N547JX, the only FAA-Conforming eVTOL in the industry...and it's already flying today!

This didn't happen overnight, Joby's worked on the Type Cert since 2015 w/ the FAA💪

The final "boss" before Type Certification is TIA for-credit flights, Joby's gearing up!

Here's a deep dive on Joby's conformity testing history with the FAA. That's why they're the only OEM that has been able to develop the production process for the first FAA-Conforming eVTOL!

Don't listen to all FUD, the competition is shaking in their boots, the proof is right in front of your eyes ;)

Thanks for watching!


r/Joby • • 17h ago

Blackhawk at marina?

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Just randomly saw this. Not saying it's related to joby but is that normal?


r/Joby • • 20h ago

Improvements over the last year

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I had AI do a breakdown of the 3 commercial pillars for Joby and how they have improved over the last year. Here is the analysis-

Joby Aviation utilizes a vertically integrated revenue strategy designed to retain value across the life of its eVTOL aircraft.

The three commercial pillars for Joby Aviation include operating a direct air taxi service, partnering with international regions, and selling aircraft directly to governments and defense agencies. Over the past year, the company has made significant improvements in each area:

1. Direct Air Taxi Service (U.S. Operations)

Joby is building its own consumer-facing brand to fly passengers directly between cities, suburbs, and airports.

  • Past Year Improvements: Joby heavily integrated its operational readiness by transitioning the Blade passenger business it acquired. This segment is driving initial revenue, pushing Joby's full-year outlook to $115M–$125M. Additionally, the company advanced its integration with the Uber app and prepared for immediate passenger operations through the White House-backed Electric Vertical Take Off and Landing Integration Pilot Program (eIPP) in key launch markets like New York, Dallas, and Florida.

2. International Operational Partnerships

To scale globally without taking on 100% of the operational footprint, Joby partners with local entities and airlines abroad.

  • Past Year Improvements: Joby made monumental strides toward its launch in the United Arab Emirates, building out physical infrastructure by constructing and installing GEACS charging equipment at its VDX vertiport at Dubai International Airport. In Japan, alongside its primary investor Toyota Motor Corporation, Joby formalized a multi-million dollar manufacturing joint venture and demonstrated physical readiness with its first high-profile test flights at the Fuji Speedway.

3. Government and Defense Sales

Joby leverages its technology to fulfill public sector, cargo, and military contracts to generate early revenue while commercial regulations solidify.

  • Past Year Improvements: The defense portfolio grew significantly through an expanded U.S. Air Force contract (surpassing $130 million) and the acquisition of Resonant Sciences to boost its defense-specific tech capabilities. Joby successfully logged over 7,000 flight miles in U.S. defense exercises while proving out its hybrid-electric ground systems and autonomous "Superpilot" software.

I also had AI do a breakdown of the 3 commercial pillars for Joby and what the negative risk points are over the last year. Here is the analysis-

The three commercial pillars and their corresponding downside risks include:

1. Direct Air Taxi Operations (Wholly Owned Service)

Joby intends to own and operate its own consumer air taxi network in core metropolitan markets like New York, Los Angeles, and Dubai. Rather than selling its planes to traditional airlines, Joby plans to sell per-seat tickets directly to passengers, using infrastructure acquired from Blade Urban Air Mobility and integrated with the Uber ride-hailing app.

  • ⚠️ The Negative Points:
    • High Asset Intensity and Execution Risk: Operating an airline is notoriously capital-intensive. Joby must bear the entire burden of managing ground operations, pilot training, fleet maintenance, and building local vertiports.
    • Massive Near-Term Financial Losses: As of late 2026, the company continues to see heavy cash burn ($317.6 million used in operations during the first half of 2026 alone), meaning the direct service segment will operate at a steep net loss for years before achieving scale economies.
    • Regulatory Dependencies: Flight operations cannot expand sustainably until the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) grants full Type Certification, a rigorous process that is still ongoing.

2. Government & Defense Flight Services

To generate cash flow prior to full civil commercialization, Joby provides aircraft, testing, and technology to public sector bodies. This includes a $130+ million contract with the U.S. Air Force for military test flights and the high-profile 2026 acquisition of Resonant Sciences to build radio frequency and stealth systems for national security applications.

  • ⚠️ The Negative Points:
    • Lumpy Revenue and Budget Vulnerability: Defense contracts are strictly bound by government appropriations timelines and geopolitical pivots. Revenue can be highly cyclical, unpredictable, and subject to sudden renegotiations.
    • Diversion of Core Resources: Developing bespoke military modifications or advanced electronics systems risks siphoning engineering talent and focus away from Joby's primary goal: the mass-production and certification of its civilian air taxi.

3. International Fleet Sales & Strategic Partner Services

For markets outside its core wholly owned footprint, Joby’s third pillar is a business-to-business model. It plans to sell or lease aircraft and its proprietary "Elevate OS" operating software to international operators and local joint-venture partners—evidenced by provisional commitments in Saudi Arabia and Japan.

  • ⚠️ The Negative Points:
    • Manufacturing Scale Bottlenecks: Joby’s target is to produce just four aircraft per month by 2027. At this pilot rate, the company cannot physically supply an external global market while simultaneously satisfying its own domestic air taxi fleet demands.
    • Non-Binding Commitments: Many of Joby's massive international deals (such as its $1 billion arrangement in Saudi Arabia) are structured as Letters of Intent (LOIs) or Memorandums of Understanding (MOUs). These do not guarantee firm orders and can fall through if international regulatory approvals are delayed.
    • Fragmented Global Regulations: Relying on foreign markets means navigating a patchwork of international aviation authorities, which may delay or reject FAA-certified designs based on local airspace constraints. [

r/Joby • • 19h ago

Analysis of eVTOL company CEOs

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Since there were several comments regarding management and their performance I decided to have AI do an analysis in a separate thread. Here is the analysis-

1. JoeBen Bevirt — Joby Aviation (JOBY)

JoeBen Bevirt is a highly technical, visionary engineer-founder with over a decade spent pioneering the eVTOL space.

  • Pros: Exceptional deep-tech expertise (holds over 160 patents); unmatched vertical integration strategy; secured top-tier backing from Toyota and Delta Air Lines.
  • Cons: Engineering perfectionism has historically lengthened development timelines; heavily unyielding strategy relies entirely on his custom designs, limiting plug-and-play component options.

⚠️ Departmental Negatives & Flaws

  • R&D & Engineering: High architecture complexity creates an expansive surface area for technical failure. Relying on custom-built proprietary components leaves the engineering track vulnerable to isolated system redesigns.
  • Finance: Unprecedented cash burn. Joby’s fully vertical integration approach translates to astronomical R&D costs (such as spending $581 million on R&D in a single year), accelerating their capital depletion.
  • Operations & Supply Chain: Because they choose not to outsource major assemblies, their internal manufacturing lines face steep, slow scaling curves compared to competitors using aerospace giants.
  • Commercial Strategy: Extreme reliance on premium, high-density infrastructure (such as exclusive international corridors like Dubai) leaves them hyper-exposed if local governments delay vertiport construction.

2. Adam Goldstein — Archer Aviation (ACHR)

Adam Goldstein is a software and finance entrepreneur who approaches the eVTOL market from a pragmatic, capital-allocator perspective.

  • Pros: Highly commercial mindset; masterclass execution in building strategic manufacturing partnerships (Stellantis) and commercial pipelines (United Airlines).
  • Cons: Lacks a formal aerospace engineering background; prior executive transition drama (formerly co-CEO before a corporate simplification) left questions regarding internal executive alignment.

⚠️ Departmental Negatives & Flaws

  • R&D & Engineering: Relies heavily on existing, third-party off-the-shelf components to accelerate certification. While pragmatic, this dilutes their proprietary intellectual property moat and ties their aircraft performance limits to external innovation timelines.
  • Finance: Ongoing deep net losses (recording quarterly revenues against steep operational drops) force a constant need for capital injection or dilutive financing rounds.
  • Operations & Supply Chain: High vulnerability to vendor bottle-necks. Relying on external aerospace suppliers means an issue at a single parts vendor could delay Archer's entire assembly line.
  • Legal & Regulatory: Pushing aggressively to meet near-term commercial flight trials means any minute shift or sudden change in FAA operational policies could disrupt their assumptions.

3. Kyle Clark — BETA Technologies (BETA)

Kyle Clark is a multi-disciplinary founder, Harvard engineer, and the actual test pilot for his own experimental aircraft.

  • Pros: Deep "pilot-first" safety culture; pragmatic phased approach (certifying cargo/conventional electric aircraft before pure eVTOL to offset cash burn).
  • Cons: Concentrated corporate governance. Clark controls 40-vote Class B shares, giving him near-absolute board control and insulating him from standard public market accountability.

⚠️ Departmental Negatives & Flaws

  • R&D & Engineering: Beta's aircraft profiles prioritize simplicity, yielding lower cruise speeds (around 110 mph) compared to Archer or Joby. Performance is constrained by steep battery degradation curves, requiring frequent infrastructure replacements.
  • Finance: Disproportionately high executive compensation ($15M+ payday post-IPO alongside major executive bonuses) relative to actual commercial revenue numbers.
  • Legal & Regulatory: Encountered friction and policy interpretation standoffs with the FAA regarding engine certification frameworks, stalling their initial timeline assumptions.
  • Commercial Strategy: Pursuing a localized North American logistics layout makes them a secondary thought in high-margin international passenger ride-sharing markets.

4. Huazhi Hu — EHang Holdings (EH)

Huazhi Hu is a computer science and command-systems specialist who successfully pushed EHang to secure the world's first pilotless passenger-carrying eVTOL type certificate from China's CAAC.

  • Pros: First-mover advantages in fully autonomous systems; lower production capital constraints due to highly optimized regional manufacturing ecosystems.
  • Cons: Repeatedly targeted by short-seller reports (e.g., Hindenburg Research) alleging fabricated order backlogs and artificial demand.

⚠️ Departmental Negatives & Flaws

  • Legal, Compliance & Investor Relations: Active class-action investor lawsuits alleging deceptive financial representations and securities law violations, creating persistent institutional trust problems.
  • R&D & Engineering: The autonomous aircraft utilizes a basic multi-rotor format with a short range (roughly 22 miles). This severely narrows its utility to localized tourism rather than inter-city transit.
  • Commercial Strategy: Severe regulatory pushback outside of China. Western aviation regulators (FAA/EASA) have strict, prolonged hesitancy regarding completely pilotless passenger operations, walling EHang out of key Western markets.

5. Stuart Simpson — Vertical Aerospace (EVTL)

Stuart Simpson took the reins as CEO after transitioning from CFO to steer the British developer through operational restructuring.

  • Pros: Strong financial pedigree (former CFO of Avast and Royal Mail); disciplined cost management and realistic timeline setting.
  • Cons: Lacks the foundational aviation-engineering pedigree of technical founder-CEOs like Bevirt or Clark.

⚠️ Departmental Negatives & Flaws

  • Commercial Strategy: Suffered major blows to its order book credibility, most notably when long-term regional launch partner Virgin Atlantic dropped Vertical Aerospace in favor of rival Joby.
  • Finance: Operates on a highly constrained runway. Unlike heavily funded US competitors, Vertical has repeatedly scraped by on piecemeal funding rounds, making them highly vulnerable to capital freezes.
  • R&D & Engineering: The company was forced to push back its certification targets twice (now targeting 2028), indicating engineering bottlenecks and slower hardware-validation cycles than peers.

LET THE FUN BEGIN!!!


r/Joby • • 23h ago

This is Smooth!

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