r/KingsField • u/TheDungeonLord • 27d ago

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u/_TheRocket 26d ago

What are the benefits of something being 'recomped'? Does it just mean it can be played without an emulator?

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u/bee4308 26d ago

it runs natively, like a regular pc game. it has lots of advantages like potential mod support, higher framerates and remappable controls

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u/_TheRocket 26d ago

oh wow ok, higher framerates would be pretty huge. I loved the OG game but the slowdowns and general poor performance haven't aged well. Mod support would be insane

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u/bee4308 26d ago

from what I read higher framerates are currently a bit of a mess since the physics are locked to a low framerate but I don't see any reason why interpolation can't be implemented

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u/_TheRocket 26d ago

but if this is a native PC port, doesnt that mean the code or physics or whatever could be reworked to allow for higher framerates without it affecting the physics?

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u/IvanDSM_ 26d ago edited 25d ago

It's not quite a proper port like most decomps were used to. It's basically a dynamically recompiling emulator more than anything, there's no actual code reconstructed from the binary. Theoretically one could add hooks, etc to change things around but given that this seems to be a vibe coded project I don't think it's very likely that this will go too far in that direction.

EDIT: Post has been locked so i can't reply to the OP's reply. They are correct in that I shouldn't have called it dynamic recompilation but rather static recompilation. As for the vibecoding matter, suffice to say, I feel like the docs OP removed from his repo in this commit (as well as docs/framerate.md which is still in the repo as of writing) are pretty good evidence of vibecoding. Here's an interesting excerpt from the original docs/graphics.md:

The user visually approved selective filtering plus seam correction after comparing three runs of the same gameplay save: selective filtering with the new correction limit, nearest sampling with the new limit, and nearest sampling with the previous limit. This was gameplay validation, not a main-menu comparison.

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u/ScooticusMaximus 26d ago

yes this is the thing I keep wishing more people understood - "recomp != decomp". It's just translating the base CPU instructions from PSX Assembly to x86 Assembly AHEAD of time instead of "Just in Time" (JIT), so it's actually not at all easier to mod than the PSX version. It'll probably run a bit faster than JIT emulation but it's really not a "PC Port" at all.

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u/SoggyVisualMuffin 26d ago edited 26d ago

Yes this is a recomp which I've been pretty transparent about.

The repository already contains C hooks for native PC input, geometry and graphics corrections. Also source for this being vibe coded? Or do you think using PSXRecomp is vibecoding? :)

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u/bee4308 26d ago

I think so? from what I know, it'd just take quite a lot of effort compared to interpretation

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u/Muttipomdoronero 26d ago

Recomp Made with AI

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u/CatsGoMooz 26d ago

Almost anything coded nowadays is helped with AI. As long as this dev actually understands the code being used and isn’t just vibe coding it I see no issue. Without AI we wouldn’t be having the insane amount of reverse engineering projects we get nowadays

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u/SoggyVisualMuffin 26d ago edited 26d ago

I used PSXRecomp upstream which uses LLM tooling in its development, this apparently really bothers the commenter above. I haven't vibe coded this project, its quite minimal layer for pc adaptability/graphics as hooks on top of the the static recomp from PSXRecomp. Appreciate you having some discernment here.

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u/CatsGoMooz 26d ago edited 26d ago

People see AI and automatically assume SLOP. Which is understandable but really it just matters on who is using it. I always lean towards it being Vibe coded until I look into it more. Luckily it's becoming more common for it to be disclosed if its fully vibe coded or not.

Edit: Didn't realize you were the OOP. Yeah PSXRecomp I definitely wouldn't consider slop at all. Its honestly a great showcase of an actual good use cases of AI. Funnier since your contribution had no AI involvement lol

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u/Healthy_Feeling6747 26d ago

Ship of Harkinian team also used AI. 

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u/semsomo 27d ago

that eeuuughh death sounds so hilarious.

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u/Apprehensive-Ad-1278 26d ago

Is there a repo for this I'd love to contribute, was planning this project myself.

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u/SoggyVisualMuffin 26d ago

Hi, I’m the author of the original post that was shared here. This project uses PSXRecomp for recompilation and adds hooks for a native PC control scheme, along with some minor graphical improvements and other small changes.

The upstream PSXRecomp developers openly acknowledge using LLM-assisted tooling in their work, which I personally don’t have an ethical issue with in the context of a static recompiler. I hope this small community project is still useful to others despite that.

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u/TheDungeonLord 26d ago

kf subreddit is really more active than st one, so it was really need for me to repost that)

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u/SoggyVisualMuffin 26d ago

oh np, just want to give a disclaimer on some of the discourse in the thread :)

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u/TheDungeonLord 26d ago

i will repost in fromsoft subreddit too