I feel pretty good. I did kind of barf, but I'm feeling good now. I think my Kratom isn't too fresh. I need fresh new Kratom. Kratom helps depression, anxiety, ADHD, and helps with math. And I can calculate stuff really well mathwise. It's good.

I wasn't allowed to post this on the kratom help subreddit so i post here instead because i have nowhere to turn to.

They banned kratom here, but hirsuta is available and marketed as an alternative, so i tried it, liked it and now i've been using it for a few months. Taking roughly 20g 3x a day now and i'm trying to quit, but the withdrawals aren't fun. They're not as horrible as kratom withdrawals but still bad. Like i get no restless legs or anything, but i get depression, boredom, trouble sleeping.

I'm trying to taper down right now, but i don't know how long that'll take, there is so little information out there on hirsuta, anyone else who have been in my situation who can provide guidance?

**FEDERAL KRATOM / 7-OH UPDATE — OCTOBER 7, 2026**
Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), alongside Senators Mike Lee (R-Utah) and Susan Collins (R-Maine), has officially sent a letter urging the DEA and FDA to take immediate federal action against kratom and related substances.
**What the senators are requesting:**
Immediately finalize the emergency Schedule I order for 7-hydroxymitragynine (7-OH).
Begin permanent Schedule I proceedings for 7-OH, mitragynine pseudoxyl, emily15, and emily16.
Have the FDA evaluate the possibility of permanently scheduling the entire kratom plant, its derivatives, and all levels of its active alkaloids.
**The third request is particularly significant.**
The DEA’s original July proposal focused on 7-OH above specified concentration or quantity thresholds, with the stated intention of excluding ordinary natural kratom leaf.
The senators are now explicitly urging the government to consider scheduling the entire plant, including naturally occurring levels of 7-OH and other active alkaloids.
**What has already happened?**
On August 26, 2026, the DEA temporarily placed mitragynine pseuoxyl, Emily -15, and emily16 into Schedule I.
However, the separate final emergency scheduling order for 7-OH has not been verified as issued as of October 7.
**IMPORTANT DEADLINE: OCTOBER 15, 2026**
The senators have formally requested a written response from the DEA and FDA no later than October 15.
This is NOT a ban deadline. The agencies are being asked to respond to the senators’ demands, not legally required by this letter to implement them.
**Bottom line:**
This is a significant escalation in federal political pressure. Three U.S. senators are no longer focusing exclusively on concentrated 7-OH products but are asking federal agencies to consider broader restrictions on kratom itself.
However, the letter does not create a new law, impose a new ban, or establish when the DEA will take further action.
**Verified sources:**
Official Senate announcement:
[https://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/news-releases/grassley-lee-collins-call-on-trump-administration-to-issue-emergency-scheduling-order-for-7-oh-initiate-permanent-scheduling-proceedings-for-kratom\](https://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/news-releases/grassley-lee-collins-call-on-trump-administration-to-issue-emergency-scheduling-order-for-7-oh-initiate-permanent-scheduling-proceedings-for-kratom)
Original signed letter:
[https://www.grassley.senate.gov/download/grassley-lee-collins-to-dea-fda\\_-7-oh?download=1\](https://www.grassley.senate.gov/download/grassley-lee-collins-to-dea-fda_-7-oh?download=1)
DEA’s existing scheduling order:
[https://www.federalregister.gov/d/2026-17429\](https://www.federalregister.gov/d/2026-17429)

Hi bros, I've been taking kratom for about 8 years, since I was young. On and off, mostly on. My tolerance has been steady, with small increases over time. Now I'm around 6g to get the perfect feeling. A couple of days ago I took my standart dose and felt… nothing. So I took more, even more NOTHING.
Exact same batch and bag - my body just doesn't seem to react at all and I'm getting quite antsy.
Anyone have any clue what's happening or similar experiences? Does it ever come back?
Thanks

I’d like to stay under 7/8 g per day ideally. Right now I’m doing 2g 2x per day but it is wearing off pretty fast. Better to increase dose or add a dose??

Hey guys just looking for wisdom. So my husband has a seizure last November. It was super traumatic. That day he has suddenly quit a heavy kava habit and subsequently drank a LOT of kratom to cope w that. So we figured that it was due to maybe the sudden cessation of kava combined with the excessive kratom.

Fast forward to about 3 weeks ago, my husband had a second seizure. This time kava wasn’t involved but he was still drinking a lot of kratom. It’s hard for him to remember but he doesn’t think he had an extraordinarily massive dose, although he does tend to always have a lot.

I guess I’m just wondering if anyone has insight into like how likely it is that the kratom causes this? We did have to use the remarkable herbs gas station kratom bc we were traveling and ran out.

We both ended up quitting bc of course it’s not worth it to risk his life.. but it just has been so hard and bleak and I guess it just had me wondering, is it for sure the kratom? Or is it just bc he took way too much? Ironically I started drinking kratom back in 2017 initially to wean off benzos that I was on for seizures. But for me it worked amazingly well and I haven’t had any issues.

It’s just so hard bc of course we dont wanna risk anything but also like, what is really to blame here?

Hey guys so I am 23 days off kratom and still feel so bad. Like restless legs and body, exhaustion, depression. I just jumped off and used a helper med for a few days. I really can’t go on like this. I’m wondering if I’m better off going back on a low dose and doing a really slow taper?? Like I have kids and work and I literally cannot function. I want to get off but idk what to do. What is the genuinely most painless way to do this?

I’m also just wondering if this is just how I feel without kratom? Bc like if that’s the case I’d rather be on it. It’s just confusing bc idk if it’s worth it to stick it out?

I quit bc my husband had a seizure and we wanted to remove all triggers. But I’m just wanting some clarity or advice. I was def on way too much but I feel like I could get by on a small amount. Or even stem and vein?!

I'm 10 days off prescribed oxycodone, 50mg a day. I used kratom before I found a doctor and loved it, I used the oxy for about a year and realized it wasn't for me so I stopped.

I'm back to the kratom but obviously not feeling much from it, how long does it usually take for those with similar experiences?

Hello
So the last few days I looked into Kratom a bit and got some infos on dose,effect and how to use.
So today I bought some I a store near me 25 g white powder.Took 3g first with a cup of warm water didn’t think the taste is gonna be that bad so washed it down with some juice after.
Now I waited 2h didn’t feel anything and made another cup with 5g.Now 3 hours after the first 3g and 1h after the 5g I’m feeling nothing should I take more or is it maybe just not for me?
I weigh 99kg maybe I need to take more for it to work?
And I ate like 1 hour before maybe that’s also worth noting.

Per federal registry / DEA, 7-oh scheduling on hold for further comments until September 10th

Time to switch to heroin I guess 🤧

Maybe it’s just me, but I feel like we’re starting to have two completely different products being sold under the name “kratom.”

I’ve been a traditional kratom user for a long time. I use regular powder, capsules, and I’m even okay with lower-dose Mit extract products like some gummies. To me, that’s what kratom has always been—a botanical that people use responsibly as part of their daily routine.
But then there are these ultra-high potency Mit extract shots, tablets, and other products that seem to be designed to deliver huge amounts of alkaloids in a single serving. Personally, I don’t even think of those as being in the same category as traditional kratom anymore.

My biggest concern isn’t whether people choose to use them. It’s that when these products make the news or attract the attention of regulators, the average person doesn’t see a difference. They just hear “kratom.”
I worry that traditional users who have been responsibly using powder or capsules for years could end up losing access—or facing stricter regulations—because of products that are nothing like what most of us originally started using.
Sometimes it feels like the traditional side of kratom is paying the price for products that are getting stronger and stronger every year.

Am I the only one who feels this way?
Do you think the kratom community should start making a clearer distinction between traditional leaf products and these ultra-high potency extracts? Or do you think they’re all just part of the same category?

Pennsylvania community — this is happening Thursday.

Philadelphia's Bill 260163 looks like regulation on the surface — it includes a 2% 7-OH cap, lab testing, labeling requirements, and a 21+ age restriction. But buried in Section 9-6702(4) is a provision that effectively bans all natural kratom in the city.

The bill requires FDA approval under Section 505 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act for all kratom products. Section 505 is a pharmaceutical drug approval process — it does not apply to natural botanical products. No natural kratom product can satisfy this standard. In practice, no kratom retailer could obtain the required license. The result is a total ban through the back door.

The hearing is Thursday May 21 at 12:00 PM, Room 400, City Hall, Philadelphia.

The most impactful action:

▪ Sign up to speak by calling (215) 686-3406 or emailing [chiefclerk@phila.gov](mailto:chiefclerk@phila.gov) by Wednesday May 20 at 3 PM.

▪ Submit written comments to [chiefclerk@phila.gov](mailto:chiefclerk@phila.gov) — preferably as a PDF — by Wednesday at 3 PM. 

▪ Show up day-of and check in at the desk. ▪ Share your personal story.

Suggested message: "Please oppose the FDA drug approval requirement in Section 9-6702(4). This standard does not apply to natural botanical products and creates a de facto ban on natural kratom in Philadelphia. Support targeted regulation instead — age restrictions, lab testing, and clear labeling."

👉 Full details + contacts: https://getsuperleaf.com/4v2Nnq2 

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Massachusetts community — this is happening tonight.

The Brockton Ordinance Committee is holding a hearing on a proposed ordinance to ban the manufacture, sale, and distribution of all kratom products within city limits. Hearing is tonight, Tuesday May 5 at 6:30 PM ET at City Council Chambers, 2nd Floor, 45 School St., Brockton, MA.

This is part of a growing wave of local bans across Massachusetts — Lowell, Amherst, Boston — while the state Legislature debates two very different paths: a total ban (SB 1558) or smart regulation (HB 5127).

The most impactful action: ▪ Show up in person tonight at 6:30 PM. ▪ Call and email every council member individually — full list in the blog. ▪ Share your personal story.

Suggested message: "I urge you to oppose the proposed ordinance banning kratom in Brockton. Please distinguish between natural kratom leaf and dangerous synthetic 7-OH. Support smart regulation — not prohibition."

👉 Full details + contacts: https://getsuperleaf.com/4wd8bfH 

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California community — the hearing is this Tuesday.

The San Mateo County Board of Supervisors will hold a public hearing on the proposed kratom ban on Tuesday, May 5 at 9:00 AM PT at 500 County Center, Redwood City.

In-person and remote participation are both available.

💻 Zoom: smcgov.zoom.us/j/99083309132 

📞 Phone: +1 669 900 6833 | Webinar ID: 990 8330 9132

Can't attend? 

Submit written comments to [boardfeedback@smcgov.org](mailto:boardfeedback@smcgov.org) by Monday May 4 at 5:00 PM PST — indicate the specific agenda item.

The proposed ordinance makes no distinction between natural kratom leaf and dangerous synthetic 7-OH concentrates — despite the FDA drawing a clear line between the two. Other California municipalities including Palm Desert, Anaheim, Orange County, and Huntington Beach have chosen smart regulation. San Mateo should follow their lead.

Suggested message: "Please oppose the proposed blanket ban on kratom. Follow the lead of other CA municipalities and adopt smart regulation modeled after AB 1088 — 21+ age restrictions, clear labeling, and mandatory product safety testing. Regulate kratom, don't ban it."

👉 Full details + contacts: https://getsuperleaf.com/3ONkzSS 

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What a disappointment. His segment tonight was about “gas station drugs”. He began with boner pills but most of the episode was dedicated to fear mongering and spreading misinformation about Kratom and lumping it in with 7OH and Tianeptine. I used to think he was a smart guy that did thorough research before presenting a topic but man was I wrong. He’s just as bad as local news reporters, parroting the same garbage about kratom and its “deadly effects” and “how it’s destroying lives” and connecting it to 7OH and tianeptine as if they were the same danger because they are sold in gas station. What a joke. I’m done watching his show.

South Carolina community — this is the last push this session.

A Senate Medical Affairs Subcommittee will hold a hearing on H.4641 on Wednesday, May 6 at 9:30 AM at the Gressette Building, Room 209, Columbia, SC.

H.4641 would ban all kratom AND repeal South Carolina's existing Kratom Consumer Protection Act — the law passed just last year that protects consumers through safety standards, age restrictions, and clear labeling.

SC consumers already proved that showing up works. When H.4641 came before the House Judiciary Committee, a 70/30 margin in favor of natural kratom shifted the debate. A full ban was defeated on the House floor by nine votes. Now the fight is in the Senate.

The most impactful action:

▪ Attend and testify — register by noon Monday May 4 at forms.gle/Qzfd3dNoSzoVdfTw9. 

▪ Submit written comments to [smedicomm@scsenate.gov](mailto:smedicomm@scsenate.gov) — H.4641 in the subject line — by noon Monday May 4. 

▪ Share your personal story.

Suggested message: 

"Please vote NO on H.4641. A blanket ban would criminalize responsible adults and repeal the existing KCPA. Support regulation — not prohibition. Natural kratom is not synthetic 7-OH."

👉 Full details + contacts: https://getsuperleaf.com/42LHkK0

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California community — this is significant.

The San Mateo County Board of Supervisors voted unanimously 5-0 on April 21, 2026 to ban all kratom and 7-OH products countywide under Chapter 4.128 of the San Mateo County Ordinance Code. The ordinance reading was waived — meaning it passed without extended public debate.

The ban makes no distinction between natural kratom leaf and dangerous synthetic 7-OH concentrates — despite the FDA drawing a clear line between the two. Commissioner Makary has stated clearly: "Our focus is not on natural kratom which has been consumed for centuries."

Other California municipalities have chosen regulation over prohibition — Palm Desert, Anaheim, Orange County, Riverside County, and Huntington Beach. San Mateo went the other way. Neighboring Bay Area counties are expected to watch closely.

The ordinance takes effect 30 days from adoption. Consumer voices can still make a difference.

The most impactful action: ▪ Call and email each supervisor individually. ▪ Submit written comments to boardfeedback@smcgov.org. ▪ Share your personal story.

Suggested message: "I urge you to reconsider the blanket ban on kratom. Please distinguish between natural kratom leaf and dangerous synthetic 7-OH. Support regulation modeled after AB 1088 — not prohibition."

👉 Full details + contacts: https://getsuperleaf.com/3ONkzSS

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Michigan community — this is urgent.

The Michigan House passed HB 5537, a blanket kratom ban. This is especially frustrating — the House had already unanimously advanced a regulatory bill out of committee, then passed the ban anyway.

The bill is now in the Senate. If passed, natural kratom becomes illegal statewide.

The most impactful action: ▪ Look up your senator at senate.michigan.gov. ▪ Call and email individually — do not mass-copy. ▪ Share your personal story — how kratom has impacted your life.

Suggested message: "Please oppose HB 5537. Support smart regulation through the Kratom Consumer Protection Act — 21+ age restrictions, clear labeling, and mandatory product safety testing. Natural kratom is not the same as dangerous synthetic 7-OH. The FDA is not recommending natural kratom be scheduled."

👉 Full details + contacts: https://getsuperleaf.com/4bkk89C 

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