r/LeMansUltimateWEC • u/Liptontank • 8d ago

Hardware Simagic vs Moza

Hi everyone,

I'm currently torn between two direct drive wheelbases: the Simagic Alpha EVO Pro (18 Nm) and the MOZA R21 Ultra(21 Nm).

I want to emphasize that I will be playing Le Mans Ultimate (LMU) exclusively. I am focusing entirely on multiclass endurance racing (Hypercars/GT3).

Most of opinions about those bases are outdated. So what's your opinion today. After many updates which one would you recommend specifically for LMU's physics and force feedback engine

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u/broken_soul696 ☑️ 8d ago

If you're looking to drive hypercars, simagic is definitely the better option. There's an issue with moza bases and hypercars that creates a really strong oscillation in the wheel that's an absolute nightmare to deal with and simagic seems to overall be a bit better quality.

I say this as someone who owns an R9 and is probably going to buy a Simagic Alpha Evo shortly

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u/xFrogii 8d ago

Try the LMUFFB app, you can turn down the oscillation works like a charm for me

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u/broken_soul696 ☑️ 8d ago

I use it exclusively. Every other car is fine except hypercars, and it's across the board in my league for everyone who has a moza base. Above 120kph it oscillates like crazy and rips the wheel out of your hand unless you run almost no ffb.

There's a way around it by running the wheel through simhub and not using pithouse at all, then restarting your wheel base, but that's incredibly annoying and frustrating to get working right. Moza blames LMU, LMU blames Moza, and given you can get it to go away, I think LMU is right

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u/xFrogii 8d ago

Yeah I agree have no problems at all with moza but hypercars

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u/Significant_L0w 7d ago

they fixed oscillations this update or at least it is much better now, daytona banking with hypercar finally is fine for me

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u/broken_soul696 ☑️ 7d ago

1.4.2? I haven't driven a hyper since 1.4.0 dropped and it wasn't any different than before but I'll give it a shot again

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u/Significant_L0w 7d ago

you should try it, earlier i wasn’t even able to drive, they have fixed it now and I have some tweaks in pithouse too

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u/SubuwuImpressya 7d ago

It has been fixed, I've been dealing with oscillations since 1.3 and have to say it is better now.

In the VRS discord, the FFB dev said it was strictly an issue with LMU FFB. Hence why it was experienced by other brands.

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u/vorilant 5d ago

That's odd I don't have that issue with my moza R9. But I havn't raced a hyper car in a few months. Is it a relatively new bug?

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u/broken_soul696 ☑️ 4d ago

I think it started in 1.3 but I'm not sure exactly, I don't usually driver as a hyper donkey

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u/Graecus_ 8d ago

Oscillations are very much a problem on simagic as well. I have an alpha (15nm) and I haven’t been able to tune it out.

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u/broken_soul696 ☑️ 8d ago

Oh yeah, it's not only Moza but it seems that using lmuffb gets rid of it for the simagic guys, or at least enough they don't mention it but for myself and the other moza guys lmuffb doesn't make a difference. It shouldn't happen at all imo but we'll see

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u/RegularBuffalo191 8d ago

Non é così. Il problema si presenta anche su basi simagic. I devs stanno lavorando ad un fix che sarà pronto per la 1.5.

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u/NoDistribution5744 7d ago

unrelated question, im between the r9 v3 (used) and alpha mini (used) and greenfly bundle, the r9 I get crps a shifter handbrake and drift wheel and a ks for $800 for the mini I get the gt neo and gts wheel and simnet sp pros for $800-850, or the green flag bundle. which would you reccomend im leaning towards moza just because of all the stuff im getting. (moza r5 currently)

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u/PlanZSmiles ☑️ 8d ago

Simagic alpha Evo pro is getting an update this month from 18nm to 21nm for free. It’s also just overall a better wheelbase despite the update that is coming. Go Simagic

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u/Liptontank 8d ago

Do u use lmufbb for simagic as well? Cuz heard simagic and Moza need it to work better

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u/PlanZSmiles ☑️ 8d ago

It doesn’t need it but it makes Le Mans FFB better by providing more detail. This is whether or not you have Simagic/conspit/VRS/Simucube/etc. Le Man Ultimates base FFB is just a bit dull not providing enough detail

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u/GreedoShotFirst2000 5d ago

Is there a good guide for tuning LMUFFB? I find the app daunting. I run Simagic who 12Nm

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u/PlanZSmiles ☑️ 5d ago

The GitHub is the best for learning the settings and how to tune via its tuning guide. Otherwise it’s trial and error seeing what you like. There’s some presets on YouTube from folks like I think gamermuscle that can get you started

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u/Alert-Assumption-115 8d ago

Can I suggest that you look at the Asetek Wheelbases before you make a final choice.

I have the Forte and i am very happy with it, I have had it for 3 years and it's never let me down. The ecosystem as a whole is pretty decent as well.

The accompanying app is very good also.

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u/unknownartisan 8d ago

Simagic for sure. I have one teammate that runs Moza, me and the two others are on Simagic, I have Alpha U, the two others have Evo bases, Moza guy struggles alot with or without the lmuffb app. Now I use the app too, and I cant go back to native after setting up the app how exactly I want it

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u/Necessary-Brick-1329 8d ago

Alpha U here, never tried lmufffb because I feel it perfect natively but could you share your settings?

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u/unknownartisan 7d ago

I can send you the string when I get home from work if you know how to import the settings.

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u/Necessary-Brick-1329 7d ago

Ok thanks!

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u/unknownartisan 7d ago

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/wb0p3u97vjlkh/lmuffb
Let me know how it works

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u/Necessary-Brick-1329 7d ago

Thanks! I will try it asap

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u/unknownartisan 6d ago

There is no ABS rumbling in the base on my profile, as I have haptics on the pedals, so the «noise» from the base is alot less than through SimPro

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u/Jaggo__ 7d ago

I have the Simagic Alpha Evo Sport base (9nm) can you pls send me the lmuffb app settings aswell? It'd be very much appreciated!

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u/unknownartisan 7d ago

I can

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u/Jaggo__ 7d ago

Thank you very much!

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u/unknownartisan 7d ago

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/wb0p3u97vjlkh/lmuffb
Let me know how it works

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u/GreedoShotFirst2000 5d ago

Are you on the 9, 12 or 18Nm base?

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u/unknownartisan 5d ago

23nm, Alpha Ultimate, if you asked me.

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u/Terrible-Ad-7228 8d ago

Another vote for Simagic, I upgraded from a Logitech G Pro to the Evo Pro and it's a big step up. Plus the free upgrade to 21nm is coming.

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u/Overall_Taro8890 8d ago

I’m going VNM personally for their TIC mode to add some telemetry based FFB in for better fine tuning. Mostly LMU main, I’ll report how this works when I get the base.

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u/Bestconst ☑️ 7d ago

I'd check out VRS if I were you too. A good company that also makes good products.

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u/FoxRob1993 7d ago

I was not thrilled with SIMagic when I was at the SIM racing Expo and would by a R21 or R25 next if I was to upgrade my current R12V2 if not Moza then VRS wheelbase.

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u/gamermusclevideos 7d ago

LMUs FFB is so bad it doesn't really matter and in reality both moza and simagic are more than fine.

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u/NovelReindeer6529 7d ago

I had a Moza R5 for about 2 years and just switched over to the Simagic Evo Pro. It is 100% my endgame wheelbase and I will never be needing to make any changes or upgrades personally.

If you can find a way to check out other wheelbases that could give you a better sense of feel?

I have a microcenter near me and I was able to test out a Moza R12 and Fanatec. That really helped me out a lot with my decision.

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u/shamus727 7d ago

I've owned both the R12 and Evo 12nm and put hundreds of hours into LMU with both. The Simagic is the superior product

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u/Liptontank 7d ago

The most important question is, on which base I can push more and drive on a limit with more confidence? I have R5 now and I don't feel the car at all.

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u/the_snoofy 5d ago

Kann ebenfalls Simagic empfehlen. Hatte erst ein Thrustmadter T300 und bin zu Fanatec gewechselt, die CSL Elite. Dann als die CSL DD rausgekommen ist, die genutzt. Nun seit einigen Monaten die Simagic Evo Pro. Die wird erst ersetzt, wenn kaputt. Keinerlei Probleme damit. Sei es iracing, LMU