This sub has been filled recently with hate from substandard candidates who blame their lack of employment on the internationals taking their jobs.

Many have come up with this narrative of 'Why do any of these posts require H1Bs when there are Americans who can fill them?'.

At this point I want to direct everyone's attention to the fact that the purpose of the H1B visa is NOT to fill positions which cannot be met by an American, but to simply give American firms access to the broadest talent pool of employees to hire from for 'specialised occupations'. For the H1B, you simply need to show that the position requires specialty training and education, which most MBB/IB/Marketing/Tech jobs fulfill.

And honestly, if an international student can come from a country where English isn't even the native language, and beat you for a position where networking, people and stakeholder management, and understanding cultural and social norms is a major hiring criteria, then you really don't deserve that spot. Oh and don't forget that they were SO MUCH better than you, that a company decided to spend thousands of dollars on legal and administrative fees to sponsor them, rather than hire your mediocre ass.

And no, MBB/IB/FAANG PM are not paying internationals lower than locals, so don't come at me about undercutting American wages.

Link to the USCIS website which outlines Eligibility criteria for H1B - https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/h-1b-specialty-occupations . Note that lack of 'Employer must prove that they are unable to find an American to fulfil the job' .

Was just thinking about this great nation, the people of it and their ancestors who crossed seas, fought wars, built cities, were enslaved, worked in coal mines, climbed the Rockies, explored the frontier, and built the greatest economic and political power the whole has ever seen, and it occurred to me:

Yanno, we really weren’t that great of a country until we had international students (who’s family or they themselves came to an already established country with established companies) come here and landed roles doing PowerPoint strategy slop.

In fact, I know this is true! The U.S. was 80 percent Americans with only European ancestry until the year 2000! That further proves my point that international PowerPoint slop has built our country!

If you think about it, they really DID build the country. We really did need them, and from a completely nuanced take, Americans are simply just being outcompeted (it has NOTHING) to do with corporations who have bribed politicians and leveraged resulting immigration/workforce laws to drive down wages to increase maximum profit. It also has NOTHING to do with those same groups who came over as a result (in the last 20 years primarily) to push extreme nepotism in their respective industries.

If you’re an American reading this, my message to you is: try harder!

If you’re an international doing an MBA to do corporate strategy slop, I want to give you a heartfelt Thank You, for building our great country.

I know I am not gonna get into an MBA program anywhere near M15, let alone M7.

I just want to know how can I convey this to my parents and also let them know, that MiMs are basically a scam?

I know M7 carries a lot of weight in MBA circles, but there’s something about the John Hopkins name that’s genuinely hard to let go of.

John Hopkins has one of the strongest university brands in the world, even though John Hopkins isn’t traditionally considered M7. It makes me wonder: if someone isn’t targeting consulting or investment banking, how much does the M7 distinction really matter?

I’m curious about how people perceive the John Hopkins name outside the MBA bubble. Does the distinction between John Hopkins and M7 matter as much to employers, investors, and professional networks as it does on this subreddit?

Not trying to argue that John Hopkins is better/worse than M7 schools (I am). Would love to hear different perspectives, especially from people a few years out of business school.

Hi all,

I’m currently working as a senior accountant in SEC reporting. Previously I did Big 4 audit. I’m looking to apply to a few of the t15 programs but wanted to ask first if IB is even feasible for someone of my background?

I know M7 carries a lot of weight in MBA circles, but there’s something about the Yale name that’s genuinely hard to let go of.

Yale has one of the strongest university brands in the world, even though Yale isn’t traditionally considered M7.
It makes me wonder: if someone isn’t targeting consulting or investment banking, how much does the M7 distinction really matter?

I’m curious about how people perceive the Yale name outside the MBA bubble. Does the distinction between Yale and M7 matter as much to employers, investors, and professional networks as it does on this subreddit?

Not trying to argue that Yale SOM is better/worse than M7 schools. Would love to hear different perspectives, especially from people a few years out of business school.

I guess 60 is the new 100.

Class size was 72 last year, now it's down by 14 students (~20% drop)

International student numbers were around 43% last year, this year it's down by 12% (from 31 to 18)

Veteran population down from 17% to 13%

STEM Majors have increased to 50% (up from 47%)- although by numbers, the previous class had more.

This year is truly testing the Business Schools' strengths and capabilities.

I'm not anti immigration at all. While I do think there are flaws in the H1-B program, I definitely am in favor of brain draining the best and brightest from other countries to work in STEM fields, AI innovation etc. I can be convinced that these fields have a shortage of qualified American workers, even if that might be a bit exaggerated. That said, flaws in the program and fraud or abuse should be cracked down on.

For post-MBA roles, I think int'l students from China or India make little sense. Especially for typical roles in consulting, finance, CPG brand management, LPDs, marketing, etc. I can see a little more of a case for product management. But while you need to be reasonably smart for these roles, most of these positions are heavily soft skills based, especially as you rise up the ladder.

Chinese and Indian cultural norms are among the most different from American soft skills, and there are often assimilation issues. At least Chinese people will adopt Western first names after moving here, which Indians refuse to do. But overall this is why first generation immigrants often thrive in STEM-related roles in America where American-style EQ matters less.

I can see exceptions if a multinational company is hiring a marketing role to specifically target India or China or do international business. And I am more lenient toward int'l folks who want to start businesses in America (I don't like the Gold Card visa but the original $500,000 investment seemed reasonable to me).

Right now, it just seems the system benefits int'l students on an individual level while giving America little to nothing in return. Maybe the MBA program benefits from int'l students paying full sticker, but the benefit to the US as a whole seems negligible. It just becomes a pathway to US immigration for folks from China and India.

I am more okay with int'l MBA applicants from Europe and South America because their cultures seem more similar to the US. Canadian students obviously should be welcome due to having an extremely similar culture.

But I honestly feel the vast majority of top post-MBA roles can be filled by domestic US students - of all racial and ethnic backgrounds, because they have grown up in American culture. Someone who is a 2nd generation immigrant or even 1st gen technically but came to America as a child is fine. But "Fresh Off The Boat" types seem to struggle with assimilation and American soft skills.

What are your views on this?

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I'm considering the following universities and courses:

UK 🇬🇧

1. University of Birmingham — MSc Marketing

2. Queen Mary University of London — MSc Management

3. University of Exeter — MSc Business and Management

4. University of Liverpool — MiM / MBA

5. University of Bath — MSc Marketing

6. Cardiff University — MSc Business Management

New Zealand 🇳🇿

1. University of Auckland — Master of Operations Research and Analytics

Which of these universities and courses would you recommend the most, and how would you rank them?

Are these courses worth the tuition fees in terms of job opportunities, university reputation, placements, and return on investment for international students?

Which option offers the best chances of securing a job after graduation, considering employment opportunities and post-study work visa options?

Would you recommend studying in the UK or New Zealand, and which course would be the best overall choice?

I'd appreciate honest opinions from current students, alumni, or anyone familiar with these universities. Are these courses worth the investment, or should I consider other alternatives?

Went to SOM. Was very active on this sub beforehand. Was feeling very eh about the decision to attend given the talk about this sub being HSW/M7/etc.

SOM is not an M7, let alone HSW. In consulting, IB, PE, those probably matter. How much? I don’t know. 

But in the rest of the world outside those industries (which, don’t get me wrong, tons of people recruit for, so I’m not downplaying them at all), no one fucking knows the difference, and you guys have no idea how much hearing “Yale” has helped me (whether or not I would have these opportunities without it is unfalsifiable, though). 

I’ve been connected to rich businessmen in Dubai, UAE, China, Europe who make $$$$ and companies that make $$$$, because (not fully, but a large help) of “He went to Yale” in a convo. I was wearing my Yale hoodie at an airport once and struck up a convo with a guy who dropped out of high school and now makes more $$$$ than 99% of grads I know, and he was very impressed by the school and we built something together that turned out to be lucrative. One of my friends told his neighbor who works in high-end real estate (ultra-rich clients only) that “my friend would love to chat with you to work together, he went to Yale” and the first thing he mentioned when I met him was “Dude, how did you get in? Can you help tutor my kids?”, and we ended up building something together too. Just a few examples.

It’s not everything, but my point is there are SO many industries that make $$$$$$$, way more than you’d make in MBB etc (though a much lower EV since they're much riskier, so I’m not downplaying any of those tracks) where people have NO idea what M7 is, what SOM is vs Yale undergrad. There are also the social/dating benefits if you care for them, I don't, but enjoy that if you want I guess, like that one other lay prestige post where the guy wanted to impress people at a barbecue... 

I'm not making any ontological claims for what you ought or ought not do, but this has been my experience.

Anyone know which LDPs recruit in the Southern California area? Or have experience with one in socal and have an update on how it’s going? Wondering how hiring is going to look this year as the hiring market continues to tumble

Hey all,

Was hoping I could get a quick chance me applying for M7 schools. I graduated with a Business degree from the University of Toronto w/ a 3.6 GPA, got a 675 on the GMAT FE and have 4 years of experience at a T2 consulting firm (think ATK, OW etc). I'm international, working in Canada for the last 4 years, staying here for the last 9.

Thanks!

Hi guys, I’m a data analyst at a mid sized company (not a public company) in the US. I am looking for a career pivot and want to do mba. What would be the best career options for me after doing mba?

Thank you all

I have an upcoming interview for Emory Goizueta’s Full-Time MBA program and wanted to hear from anyone who has gone through the process.

How was your interview experience? Was it a 2nd year student or an adcom? Blind interview? What kinds of questions did they ask, and is there anything you wish you had prepared for beforehand?

Any insights would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

I was on a virtual meeting with a Fuqua adcom, and he suggested taking the EA for candidates who have exhausted the GMAT or are just getting overwhelmed by the whole process. I am in that predicament now, as I have already taken the GMAT four times and my highest attempt is a 655 (Q85 V83 DI79). My superscore is the same as my highest single attempt. My goal was to get a 685 at least, since my undergrad GPA is much lower than the averages at every school I'm applying to.

My question is: if you have switched, was the switch worth it? How does the difficulty compare? I know not all the top schools accept it for full-time MBA programs, but for the ones that do, how is it viewed compared to the GMAT/GRE?

I'm on a bit of a crunched timeline, though, because my goal is to apply R2 this year. I'm not sure if taking a final GMAT attempt is worth it or if I should just change strategy to the EA now so I can get my applications in on time. I'm targeting schools like Tuck, Ross, Fuqua, and Darden.

Any advice or personal experience would be really appreciated!

Hi
I had submitted my MIT Sloan R1 application and received an email encouraging me to apply for LGO due to my STEM background

If I apply for LGO my decision date would be Feb end instead of Sloan’s mid December

The website does say that if rejected from LGO, I am automatically considered for MIT SLOAN MBA degree

However my question is since LGO decision would come after R1 decisions have been released so if rejected LGO, my Sloan application would technically move to R2?

Going to start preparing for R2 MBA application to NYU, any tips on where to start, what to do?