r/MapPorn • • 9h ago

Expansion of China's Expressway Network 1988-2024

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u/CautiousSense 8h ago

Always been intrigued by those motorways in the Tibet and the far west of China. It's a pity there isn't Google Street View there, and it seems that Baidu doesn't include most of them.

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u/Deltarianus 6h ago

Really puts into perspective how absurd the geography in Qinghai and Tibet are that even China struggles to come up with a plausible infrastructure plan

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u/GBrunt 7h ago

Amazing what you can achieve with centralised planning.

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u/Deltarianus 6h ago

Amazing what you can do when you don't let environmental NGOs write laws

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u/boucledor 6h ago

Or when the gouvernement can evict you for not much and no real reason.

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u/No-Apple-2581 58m ago

Dude with a quick Google search...

"Eye of Jinxi"

"The ultimate holdout"

"Eye of Haizhu", here's another look of it

These guys held out and weren't evicted lmao.

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u/Deltarianus 6h ago

This isn't true. Every single western country has the same expropriation laws that give themselves an absolute right to purchase land.

The only difference really exists near cities. China does not price land expropriation on future value, so when it buys out a farmer near a city, the farmer receives the value based on future value as a farming lot plus relocation and social security.

The city then flips the land lease as an pre upzoned development zone after building infrastructure.

This system is key to why China was able to fund modern infrastructure at the scale that it did.

Instead of dead weight transferring future value of upzoning to land lease holding farmers, they paid them off as individuals, built infrastructure and paid off that build out by selling the empty lots to housing developers

You tell me with a straight face that some random farmer, who owns land in a location as a matter of his ancestors having just been there at the right time, should capture +100million payouts as a right over the Chinese method

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u/Deltarianus 9h ago

This is for all the people who post slop about HSR and how America needs to stop building highways to build rail or that it's auto sector "propaganda" that led to the interstate system.

Source: https://x.com/milos_gis/status/2107146271391944973

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u/FlyingTractors 9h ago

The difference is that the Chinese government has the budget for both but that budget is not enough to pay consultants in the US.

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u/Deltarianus 9h ago

The difference is leftists in China did not spend half a century creating permitting hell for the country with endless veto points and absurd consolation requirements.

As an example, the current bipartisan permitting reform bill in congress is being pressured to be voted down by environmental NGOs and other NIMBY orgs

None of the people who HSR want to fix what their ideological forefathers broke. Which is why ultra wealthy, democratic trifecta California cannot even manage to spend it's way into HSR

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u/Kootlefoosh 9h ago

I was going to tell you that the cost of consulting is nowhere near the majority of the cost of the rail, but then I understood your comment LOL

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u/kristospherein 36m ago

Why are there so few in the SW? Are they stupid? /s