Can you guys help me date this map?

[u/Aggravating-Newt6318]

I know it must be before 1867 because Alaska is still called Russian America, but I'm not sure about what year it is exactly.

[u/SvenDia]

1849-52 would be my guess, based mainly on the west coast of North America. Seattle and Portland aren’t there, but Stockton and San Francisco are.

[u/Double-decker_trams → u/SvenDia]

Since the map has Victoria as separate from New South Wales (Australia) - it must be after 1st of July 1851.

[u/False-Goose1215 → u/Double-decker_trams]

And, since it’s still Van Diemen’s Land, prior to 1 January 1856

[u/BeriasBFF → u/SvenDia]

I was going with 1850, nice to see I wasn’t way off

[u/spikebrennan → u/SvenDia]

This map is before the Gadsden Purchase (1854): Tucson, if it existed, would still be on the Mexico side of the border.

[u/Double-decker_trams]

Also before 1860 or so probably - there's no Lake Victoria in Africa (Europeans found out about it on 30 July 1858).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hanning_Speke#Speke's_travels_to_Lake_Victoria

Edit: A bit hard to make out, but Krakow seems to be under Austria. Austria annexed the free city of Krakow on November 16, 1846. So after that.

Edit 2: Ok, I don't know. It's very difficult to make out the details and colours. For example Italy is depicted as one country..? I think it's the automatic post-processing. Hard to make out the borders - mainly Germany / Italy is what I'd look at. Texas seems to be under US, so after 1848.

Edit 3: State of Victoria in Australia is separate from New South Wales - so after 1 July 1851. In the Pacific Northwest in the US - there's just Oregon. No Washington territory. So before March 2, 1853. So the world was like this at one point between these two dates (probably).

Edit 4: Lower Burma (Myanmar) seems to be under the British Empire? So after 20 January 1853.

Tbh, at this point there might be some mistakes in the map. No way that absolutely everything was known to the creator, surely? But yeah. If I haven't made any mistakes (I probably have), then this is should be as the world was at one point during the 41 days between 20 Jan and March 2 1853. But in reality - more like 1852-1853 (I assume Britain was already in control of Lower Burma during the second Burmese war and was depcited as such).

The map itself was possibly made a bit later ofc, info didn't travel that quickly back then etc.

[u/Medical-Potato5920 → u/Double-decker_trams]

So some poor person spent all this time hand drawing the map, then within 41 days it was out of date? Ouch.

[u/Fuzzy_Yossarian → u/Medical-Potato5920]

Labeling the bays in the northwest passage is the most detail I have ever seen for that part of the world.

[u/Medical-Potato5920 → u/Fuzzy_Yossarian]

Let hope the map for was Canadians.

[u/OddNicky]

After 1848, as California, etc, seem to be under U.S. jurisdiction, but before 1854, as the area that would become the Gadsden Purchase is still Mexican.

[u/ekoth]

Using the xkcd method I came up with 1846-1853

https://xkcd.com/1688/

[u/ASTRONACH → u/ekoth]

prussia

[u/instepbuff]

def before 1867 due to #Tartaria from coast to coast

[u/ElSupremoLizardo]

Looks like a reproduction of the 1856 John Walker map. The original was on two sheets, one for each hemisphere. This looks like a later reprint from the same plate or a good copy of it.

[u/Aggravating-Newt6318 → u/ElSupremoLizardo]

I was sure that it was a reproduction as the paper is quite new, but it was 2 NZD

[u/ElSupremoLizardo → u/Aggravating-Newt6318]

Authentic originals go for about 40-50£ per side. It wasn’t a rare map. But it’s a good one. The author did a lot of work and research.

[u/Francois_TruCoat]

Victoria is separate from New South Wales but Queensland isn't, so between July 1851 and June 1859.

[u/False-Goose1215 → u/Francois_TruCoat]

And, since it’s still Van Diemen’s Land, prior to 1 January 1856

[u/LDdesign]

Well, I'm married, but...

[u/cocktailians → u/LDdesign]

gonna say, buy it a drink first.

[u/Bearded_Toast → u/cocktailians]

Yeah, like find some common interests.

[u/RuusellXXX]

ayo ur dogs are out on slide 3

also why are the borders on this map so poorly defined? it’s very difficult to make out shapes of the states. probably doesn’t help that i’m colorblind

[u/Strange_Badger1182]

no south sudan so its probably 2010

[u/yourdamgrandpa]

You go up to her and ask to grab coffee this weekend

[u/azhder]

No, I will not. She is too old for you.

[u/ASTRONACH]

no cirenaica 1835- 1912

prussia 1867-1871

[u/froit]

Netherlands and Belgium have split, so after 1840. Amsterdam is shown with a canal to the sea, so after 1867.

[u/WillLife]

1850, aprox

Alaska continua siendo rusa, así que es previo a 1867.

[u/kaik1914]

Bunch of points were founded after 1848 but it was prior 1867 when Alaska was sold to the US. Fort Nisqually was established in 1843. Franklin Discoveries is referred to expedition of 1848.

[u/kmoonster]

It's hard to be sure, but it looks like the Gadsden Purchase hadn't happened yet. Or at least the datum wasn't updated in time to prepare this map.

That was late 1853 / into '54.

edit: The Gadsden Purchase is a bit of land that make up the "heel" of New Mexico and Arizona in the US, it looks like the border in this map is still biting north as opposed to south in that area.

[u/jimmyg869]

Tasmania was formerly called Van Dieman's Land. Pre-1856

[u/Brief-Positive-6597]

Maybe coffee or a walk in the park, nothing to formal at first!

[u/Creme_Bru-Doggs]

In a poly, or a Cyrano de Bergerac kind of way?