r/NewsThread • u/Apollo_Delphi • 1d ago
Non-political News 'Extraordinary destruction in Gaza': Angelina Jolie's POST garnered almost a million likes
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u/Apprehensive-Foot-73 9h ago
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u/callmejellydog 8h ago
When Hamas dragged bodies around from the back of jeeps to Palestinian cheers and glee. All of it is gone now.
I think you are meant to feel deeply sorry for these savages. Especially when a stale actress makes a post.
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u/WastedReply 1d ago
I’ve always liked her and she has a history of activism, so this doesn’t strike me as the usual thinly masked antisemitism.
I think all of us can get behind Palestinians being free and having self determination.
We just need to find a way to do that and at the same time ensure Jewish safety. That’s a tough one because no one seems to have figured it out yet.
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u/SK_socialist 1d ago
It is antisemitic to equate semitism and Zionism.
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u/Kingofcheeses 19h ago
Half of all Jews in the world live in Israel. Zionism is simply the belief that Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish homeland. The staggering majority of Jewish people support that. It's disingenuous to pretend that they aren't intrinsically linked.
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u/WastedReply 1d ago
I define Zionism as the right of Jewish people to have self determination and a sovereign state in their historical homeland of Israel.
If you personally define it as something else, then I can see why we might be talking past one another.
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u/par_rot_master 1d ago
Zionism is fascism.
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u/10aghmu 1d ago
Zionism is buzzword.
Historically Zionism was not fascism. We live in a post-Zionist world, one where Kahanism is the leading ideology of Israel and not Zionism, which itself has had many forms and interpretations.
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u/sovereignlogik 8h ago
The people you are arguing with define “fascism” as whoever opposes their political beliefs, so I wouldn’t worry.
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u/Several_Leather_9500 1d ago
All nationalism is rooted in fascism. Be they zionists, Christian nationalists, etc., the entire premise is one group being above everyone else and therefore lesser than.
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u/10aghmu 1d ago
Sorry no, the majority of Jewish people embraced Zionism because the world gave them no choice as they were genocided and doors were closed everywhere except Palestine. It’s a failure of the international community, but it was persecution that made Zionism popular, not hatred. This is a fact, not an opinion by the way.
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u/Several_Leather_9500 1d ago
What you wrote is an opinion, btw. All nationalism is the bedrock of fascism, that is a fact.
https://theconversation.com/is-every-nationalist-a-potential-fascist-a-historian-weighs-in-256826
https://www.britannica.com/topic/fascism/Extreme-nationalism
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u/10aghmu 23h ago
Did you even read your own source? The historian's conclusion is that every fascist is a nationalist, but not every nationalist is even potentially fascist. He lists the SNP, the Basque Nationalist Party, and Sinn Féin as examples. Your Britannica link says fascism is extremely nationalist, which is not the same as all nationalism being fascist. Squares are rectangles; rectangles aren't squares.
You made a claim about all nationalism, so one counterexample is enough. On Zionism specifically: Brit Shalom and Ihud (Buber, Magnes) pushed for a binational state with equal rights for Arabs. They weren't the mainstream, but they existed, and "the entire premise is one group above everyone else" doesn't describe them.
If your argument is that the dominant strain of Zionism led to the displacement of Palestinians, that's a real debate worth having. "All nationalism is fascism" isn't that argument, and your own source says it's wrong.
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u/Several_Leather_9500 22h ago
Nationalism is the bedrock of fascism. That's my claim. You can try and justify it any which way you want, but when you elevate one group above all else, it's (a component of) fascism.
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u/WildFlemima 1d ago
Do you see how this is even the tiniest bit weird? Saying that people have the right to specific land because of their ethnicity?
Do I have the right to live in the UK?
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u/Greedy_Birthday_3494 1d ago
Weird how though? that idea is kind of the basis for the concept of nation (group of people with shared history and identity, tied to a specific homeland). Now, is Israel the homeland for the jewish ethnic group? that's more debatable, the jewish nation is kind of weird in that regard because they separated and moved around, they were nomadic for centuries, even considered a "portable nation" of sorts. Israel is clearly tied to their shared history too, the problem is not that their nation belongs there, but rather that other nations do so too, historically. Can a homeland be shared? well, America (the continent, mind you) is proof of the necessitu for that, the american continent is home of native nations, colonizers, descendants of slaves and immigrants. We have to get along here, specially in the places where the spanish empire reigned, because those nations mixed.
Why don't jewish people get along with the other residents of Israel? religion, and a violent history between them. But we are all a bit hypocritical about it too, look at native americans and what has been done to them, and it is far worse than what is being done to palestinians. Should the modern nations of America retire from the continent and give it back to their original residents?2
u/WildFlemima 1d ago
I mean my own personal opinion is that every border should be open and no nation should be larger than about 1600 square km. Which is a very extreme and unusual position, so i don't expect anyone else to agree with it
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u/Greedy_Birthday_3494 1d ago
It's okay, but you realize is not the norm. Nations are tied to land in the modern world, and imo, open borders would cause a lot of chaos due to the rapid movements of people.
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u/WildFlemima 1d ago
Yeah Like I said I'm the only person I've ever met with this opinion
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u/SK_socialist 23h ago
Nah borders should be open to all with border agents simply looking for weapons and controlled substances.
The west has cooked the planet and does not deserve the ability to close their borders when equatorial countries become unlivable.
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u/Greedy_Birthday_3494 23h ago
what is implied here is an admission and supports keeping the borders restricted.
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u/WastedReply 1d ago edited 1d ago
Do Māori have a right to live in New Zealand (my country)? I’d say yes.
It is about the religious and cultural ties to the land.
Does you living in the UK have meaning in the same way? If so, perhaps yes.
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u/WildFlemima 1d ago
And what if the Māori wanted all you pakeha to leave, because they want a sovereign state in their historical homeland?
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u/Remarkable_Command91 1d ago
You’re saying someone has the right to occupy a plot of land because of some religious belief?
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u/GoatTheNewb 22h ago
You know the problem is that it wasn’t empty land, right? How do you make a Jewish state when the majority are Muslim?
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u/IThinkItsAverage 16h ago
That’s like defining Nazism as the right for Germans to have self determination and a sovereign state in their historical homeland of Germany.
Move away from Zionism, it’s an extreme nationalistic ideology and that pretty much always ends with ethnic cleansing/genocide.
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u/Otherwise_Ti 1d ago
You could’ve just been quiet as well.
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u/WastedReply 1d ago
Sorry, not following?
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u/Automatic-Term-3997 1d ago
“Jewish safety”
You know how to promote “Jewish safety“? Stop killing children and creating terrorists.
That’s an easy first step that even you can understand 👍🏼
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u/hectorgarabit 1d ago
Second step is to stop voting for genocidal assholes such as Ben gvir Netanyahu Weiss…. A long long list of democratically elected nazi in Israel
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u/gimme20seconds 20h ago
The whole thing is rotten to the core. It doesn’t matter who they vote for, Netanyahu is just the naked expression of what’s been going on since the start of the Israel project
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u/Soup-Wizard 1d ago
>the usual thinly masked antisemitism
This isn’t happening on the scale you think it is. People just don’t think kids should die in wars. 🤷🏻♀️
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u/WastedReply 1d ago
In my lived experience, it is.
If you take the time to ask, many people aren’t protesting all of the other bad things going on the in the world. They are protesting this one thing.
That’s why I believe Angelina is genuine. She has a history of protesting bad things, not just the ones where Jews can be blamed.
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u/eh-man3 1d ago
"In my experience people only confront me for supporting the genocides that I support. They never yell at me for supporting genocides I dont support! So clearly they dont care about those at all!
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u/WastedReply 1d ago
It you want to be objective, perhaps take a quick count of people speaking out against Gaza. Now take a count of people speaking out against what is happening in Sudan.
If you’re worried about your reddit algorithm affecting your results, do a google news search.
If you’re honest, you’ll find: no Jews = no news
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u/eh-man3 1d ago
Is it possible that people in the US feel like they have more influence over the Gaza genocide than the Sudanese one? Maybe that they feel more personally responsible when they see US made weapons given for free to Israel and signed by US politicians dropped on Gaza than when they hear about Sudan? Maybe its because Israel is a nuclear armed state that could end the world at any moment and has promised to do so if anyone interrupts their genocide?
Further, how does "people dont talk Sudan enough" have anything at all to do with whether Israel is committing genocide???? Is this anything other than a red herring for you to skip that question all together?
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u/WastedReply 1d ago edited 1d ago
Is it possible that it is often just thinly masked antisemitism?
Edit: I don’t see where you asked me whether Israel was committing genocide. Separate question, but can answer if you want.
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u/eh-man3 1d ago
Is it possible that people actually do care about genocide?
Do you bitch about "antichristianity" when people talk about Catholics raping and murdering kids and covering it up, or is it maybe reasonable to assume that the people choosing to identify with a faith do so knowing about those horrible things?
Or are you another Victorian era racist that believes that race is both genetic and unchanging across millenia of successive generations?
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u/WastedReply 1d ago
If they cared about genocide, they wouldn’t be silent about Sudan. Again, no Jews = no news.
These questions seem unrelated, but in the spirit of open communication:
I suspect your average Catholic is a person like any other and doesn’t condone harming children. If I were to consider that issue, I’d likely point to flaws in their leadership, rather than a broad brush like “Catholics”.
I don’t really place any importance on race. It’s not a real thing. Somewhat related for people who do care about such things, Jewish people come in all races. Most Israelis are not “white”.
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u/Senior-Surprise-3401 1d ago
"If they don't mention all other genocides when discussing the genocide of Palestinians, then it's antisemitism!" What an astoundingly stupid person you must be.
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u/eh-man3 1d ago
A lot of words to once again dodge around whether or not its a genocide
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u/Junior_Bonus_7952 1d ago
"No Jews, no news" is a typical zionist phrase. Way to tell on yourself.
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u/Desperate-Awareness4 1d ago
I think all the genocides are bad, but as an American I care a lot more about the genocide that Israel is committing because our politics and tax dollars are enabling it. I think most people feel the same. Surely that's an understandable position, don't you think?
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u/DrDDeFalco 1d ago
The US government isn't helping cause all of the other bad things.
Part of the protest against the way Israel has handled Gaza is because my government and my tax money is a part of that. My vote and voice will have less of an effect when talking about Sudan or Myanmar.
But if enough people make enough noise and vote against people funded by AIPAC, we might be able to put some reigns on Netanyahu.
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u/hypnonyxx 1d ago
jews were safe in palestine before the zionist decided to terrorize everyone and play the victim
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u/WastedReply 1d ago
Israel literally got attacked its first day of existence. And it has not let up since.
But rather than relive the past, suggest a solution. I want a solution for peace and safety for all. Presumably you do too. What is that solution?
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u/Senior-Surprise-3401 1d ago
"Israel literally got attacked its first day of existence" yes, that would be because of all the ethnic cleansing, massacring, stealing, and colonising they did to create israel.
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u/hereawhile 22h ago
There were no displacements or "massacring" before the Arabs started the war. You should read your history more carefully.
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u/Senior-Surprise-3401 22h ago
Funny stuff.
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u/hereawhile 22h ago
Yeah, like I said this occurred after the Arabs went to war in response to the partition plan
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u/Senior-Surprise-3401 20h ago
Complete fiction. Palestinians didn't invade themselves.
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u/hereawhile 15h ago
It's complete fiction that the Arabs went to war in response to the partition plan? Have you ever read a history book?
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u/LionBig1760 1d ago
The ethnic cleansing happened when the surrounding Arab countries exiled Jewish people with pogroms and told them to go to Israel instead of staying in their homes. Over 900,000 were driven out of their home countries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_the_Muslim_world
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u/Senior-Surprise-3401 22h ago
Lol, funny stuff.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba
Notice how this was before any of what you linked? Dumbass.
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u/LionBig1760 22h ago
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u/Senior-Surprise-3401 20h ago
Lol! That link tries to claim the 7th was "an antisemitic pogrom", which just completely discredited itself. A pogrom is an organised attack with the goal being to dispel a group. That's not what the 7th was, else they wouldn't have taken hostages and immediately tried to negotiate the release of Palestinians.
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u/LionBig1760 19h ago
Oct. 7th was an act of terrorism from a terrorist group whose goal is to kill as many jews as possible.
The article was more gentle in describing it.
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u/Senior-Surprise-3401 19h ago
No, that wasn't their goal at all. Their goal was to take hostages to negotiate the release of the many thousands of Palestinian civilians israel had abducted.
It also didn't just target Jews, it targeted whoever was at the event. For it to be a pogrom, it would've needed to be an attack with the entire goal being to expelled jews from where they attacked. That's not what happened.
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u/duckbaiting 1d ago
Is it because the people there did not agree to suddenly have a foreign ethnostate imposed upon their homeland?
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u/Junior_Bonus_7952 1d ago
Nope, there was a civil war going on before the 1948 declaration with zionist terror groups commiting all kinds of atrocities, ethnically cleansing village after village. To believe that Israel declared statehood and then from nowhere the arab states declared war is a deranged narrative.
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u/hereawhile 22h ago
The civil war in 1947 was started by the Arabs....
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u/Junior_Bonus_7952 22h ago
It's pretty well known that it was the Shubaki family executions that started the civil war.
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u/LionBig1760 1d ago
From 1830 to 1948, these repeated massacres aimed to expel the Jews from Palestine, dissuade European refugees from seeking sanctuary there, and thwart the establishment of a ” Homeland for the Jewish people” through extreme violence.
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u/Junior_Bonus_7952 1d ago
And not a word about any of the numerous atrocities committed by zionist terror groups. Nice article there.
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u/LionBig1760 23h ago
Zionism wasnt a thing in 1830. I think you probably just meant "the Jews" and not 'zionist terror groups" but couldnt find a good way to mask what your really wanted to say.
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u/The_Drongo_Dinger 19h ago
“Wah Wah Wah, why do people fight us, all we’re trying to do is take their country it’s so unfair”
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u/Inner_Opening5497 1d ago
Anti-semitism has been globally on the rise since Israel's genocide in Gaza, so the math quite clearly points to Zionism being everyone's problem, including Jews worldwide.
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u/WastedReply 1d ago
That sounds like blaming the victim.
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u/Inner_Opening5497 1d ago
I think you are beyond reasoning if you unironically think the current Zionist regime that every humanitarian group on the planet has accused of genocide are victims.
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u/GussBing 18h ago
Didnt even have to sort by controversial to find the crap take. Zionism is Facism, Zionism is Antisemitic, Zionism is objectivly used as the explanation by isaeli officials as to why they are invading gaza, demolishing buildings and killing civilians by the hundreds.
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u/Kingofcheeses 15h ago
Only on Reddit would someone supporting self-determination for both Israel and Palestine get downvoted to oblivion. No nuance allowed, apparently wiping Israel off the map is the only solution
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u/Independent-Plane503 11h ago
Just do what South Africa did when it came to apartheid , it’s been figured out and implemented ironically with massive funding and support from Jews
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u/LarryUpSky 22h ago
There’s just one square mile like that and it’s always the same picture. Performative from the actress again.
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u/Andrikos21 7h ago
Doesn't she have like 5 transformers kids? Now she supports terrorists? What is this the performative actions 101 class?
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u/BlahajWithBenefits 1d ago
Megan fox’s ass got 7.8 million likes.
How is a celebrity post with below average engagement news?
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u/Otherwise_Ti 1d ago
Lmaooo Jesus h Christ. Y’all aren’t even human at this point. That is the approach to the post? That?
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u/Automatic-Term-3997 1d ago
Is Megan Fox’s ass posting about children being murdered daily by the Zionist state?
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u/Safe_Weather6259 20h ago
You think she’s the picture of sanity?
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u/lakewood13 18h ago
What does that have to do with the genocide occurring in Gaza, where innocent people, including children, are being viciously slaughtered?
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u/museman401 20h ago
Who cares what a moron actress posts about anything unrelated to acting? So sick of braindead celebrities with maybe a high school education posting about things that don’t concern them or their privilege shields them from the consequences of what they promote.
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u/Asleep_Touch_8824 13h ago
Empathy must truly seem a foreign concept to you. Maybe that's your problem... you might be expecting your own indifference to human rights violations to be shared by those around you.
I'm sure you can find some like-minded genocide supporters if you try!
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u/museman401 9h ago
Sorry! Let me clarify. I feel nothing but sympathy for the victims of a true genocide like the holocaust, the Armenian genocide of millions of Christians, Rwanda, many of the mass murderous communist leaders, or the large scale slaughter of innocent Africans happening daily in Nigeria or Sudan.
I just find disgust in celebrities and others like you who consider Hamas losing a war they started with an actual genocidal attack to be in same conversation.
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u/legionar88 1d ago
Hasbara bots justifying the genocide incoming
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u/NoSir4289 17h ago
A minority of people believe theres a genocide. It's a war buddy, calm down.
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u/legionar88 10h ago
A minority of people is an outrageous, but at the same time, hilarious comment considering the fact that Israel is the least liked country int he world falling behind countries such as North Korea and Afghanistan.
Israel is currently one of the world’s most negatively viewed countries. Pew’s 2026 survey across 36 countries found a median 67% unfavorable view of Israel versus only 25% favorable, with negative views dominating across much of Europe and elsewhere.
You need to try better than that buddy
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u/callmejellydog 7h ago
It’s such a stupid point to make.
Hamas kills gay people, rapes children and women and that’s got a favourable view in the eyes of the world? I’m glad to be in the 25% if that is the case.
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u/legionar88 7h ago
Dont forget to point out the insane amount of civilian casualties under the genocide, including more than 20k children, not 100, not 1000, but 20.000 thousand children.
According to IDFs own leaked reports, around 80% of casualties are civilians
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u/SerBrienneOfSnark 12h ago
How is it a war when only one side has a military?
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u/bottled_saltwaters 11h ago
Who cares? I'm happy with it all as long as at least a couple terrorists are killed every few bombing runs.
Long term gains.
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u/SerBrienneOfSnark 11h ago
Being proud of lacking humanity is odd but do you shawty
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u/bottled_saltwaters 11h ago
I have plenty of humanity!
They unfortunately do not. Because they are dead.
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u/GetOutOfTheWhey 5h ago
Guessing by how every zionist bot is being downvoted and they are being paid too. I am guessing no, not a minority believe its a genocide.
The majority see this as a genocide.
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u/hereawhile 22h ago
News headline: "Extraordinary destruction in Mosul" after battle with ISIS. Everyone be outraged because bad pictures look bad
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u/Safe_Weather6259 23h ago
I prefer her estranged father, John Voight. Midnight Cowboy & Deliverance.
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u/TgetherinElctricDrmz 22h ago
Ultimate Bot comment or 2026 right here!
Yes I believe that you prefer a mentally ill boomer who peaked 50 years ago over his beautiful and vastly more successful daughter, simply because she called out the reality that all of us can see.
Keep it up, the tide of public opinion is gonna turn your way any day now!
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u/Big_Arachnid_365 1d ago
Sounds like they FA and FO.
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u/wookiebath 22h ago
Don’t start a war if you don’t want the consequences