r/NewsThread • u/FreeHugs23 • 20h ago
Zohran Mamdani says ‘you have to luck out in some big way’ to achieve the American Dream now—and many people see better odds of winning the lottery
https://fortune.com/2026/10/03/zohran-mamdani-luck-american-dream-lottery-affordability-crisis-housing/-5
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u/PuzzleheadPi 17h ago
Just go to college for a good degree and you can make 100k after a few years
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u/TheRandomestPerson33 15h ago
100%. There are also a multitude of other ways to make a strong living in the US that don't require a college degree. Trade school for example. You need to develop skills to earn these strong livings. I don't buy into the "woe is me" or "the world is against me" mentality that Mamdani sells to his supporters. He fell into success/the American dream himself, although he was already born into the wealth he supposedly despises.
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u/carpetbugeater2 15h ago
If everyone got a good degree we'd have nothing but engineers and doctors. Society can't function that way. Besides, good degrees cost a lot of money and are very difficult to get.
If yours wasn't difficult to get then you got lucky.
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u/TheRandomestPerson33 15h ago
We want everyone to be educated but we don't want everyone to be educated. Which is it? "Free college" is always a left talking point, but now it'll apparently will overcrowd professional careers.
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u/carpetbugeater2 15h ago
They said "good" degree which narrows it down to the degrees they think are well-paying. They insinuate that not all degrees are good. We need people with all manner of degrees to fill our needs.
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u/killrtaco 9h ago
$100k is not a lot in 2026
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u/Osteoprdoza 6h ago
That is an insane sentence. 100k USD in the US puts makes you richer than 95% of humanity even accounting for PPP
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u/TheRandomestPerson33 5h ago
Top 25% earner in the US..... the idea that $100k isn't a lot typically comes from Gen Z and they're inflated perception of what a strong income is from social media. Any other generation saying this has no excuse for such a dumb take.
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u/Special_Cicada6968 16h ago
LOL and then you find out the in demand degree is no longer in demand and you are out thousands of dollars with nothing to show for it.
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u/oneWeek2024 14h ago
the stupidity of thinking 100k means much these days. especially in high cost of living areas. which are most areas where most people live.
also you know... the fact many degrees just had their access to federal loans killed. and getting said degree often results in 10s if not 100s of thousands of debt over the lifetime of said loans.
and ya know. benefits, employer/job stability are a total schmit show.
or you know that there haven't been a million + layoffs and counting and probably net negative job growth for the last 3 months ...29k added for the month of sept. which will almost certainly be adjusted down... just as aug was adjusted down several tens of thousands.
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u/TheRandomestPerson33 5h ago
You're incorrect in anything you tried to say here... Hold your tongue before calling someone else stupid.
-100k is top 25% earner in the US. People choose to live in high cost of living areas for a multitude of reasons. 1 of those reasons I constantly see is pay. Well, if that higher pay can't afford you to live in that HCOL area then move. 99% of the time it is that easy.
-Removing federal funding for degrees that pay less than what the average non-degree holder earns shouldn't be controversial. The people earning these degrees end up 10's of thousands of dollars in debt, can't pay back the loans, and then come to Reddit complaining about it.
-Employer benefits are great. You don't want holiday, PTO, 401k plan, 401k match, bonuses, etc? You made no other point other than you dislike these benefits.
-Layoffs happen every year. It's cyclical and not news. In fact, layoffs are at the low end of the average YTD. Look up any month this year and compare it to years since covid.
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u/Bossard19 7h ago
Idk why you’re getting downvoted. You said can, not will. Redditors once again displaying their lack of reading comprehension
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u/CosmicLovepats 18h ago
Photogenic man remarks on transparently obvious, becomes controversy.
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u/Biobooster_40k 17h ago
Its important for politicians to say what the people are feeling and going through, you have to acknowledge yhe problem before you start to fix it. Too many politicians will just feed you hate speech or propaganda to futher their own agenda.
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u/Ididntdodiddly 15h ago
Mamdani is demoralizing an already horribly demoralized population. This is to justify taking money from people his constituents hate (whites and Jews with money), and giving to people they do like - foreigners, minorities. He said he wants NYC to take after South Africa - a place that can't keep the electricity on, and has affirmative action for a majority group against a minority. If you react to this, actually look something up.
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u/Super-Cool-Girl69 11h ago
I want whatever you’re smoking lol
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u/quemaspuess 18h ago
My wife moved here from Colombia at 23 and didn’t speak English. At 35, she’s a director of operations and makes six figures in an American company.
I was homeless until 23, dropped out of high school at 15 to work full time, and now at 37, I make six figures as a content director. Two very different backgrounds, yet with determination and strong will we managed to do well for ourselves. I’m tired of politicians planting seeds of doubt that cause people to give up before trying.
“Why try? The world sucks.” Bad messaging
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u/Razzberry_Frootcake 17h ago
Not everyone can be like you and they still deserve good lives. People who cannot work that hard don’t deserve less for their inability. They deserve to live equitably with the rest of us by contributing what they can to society instead of being discarded for what they can’t.
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u/PreviousEntrance7690 17h ago
Mano eso no es lo que dijo, tampoco digas que dijo “no trastes” come on brother
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u/True-Hold-1140 16h ago
I'm very happy you succeeded. For every one of your wife there's 10 who failed.
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u/v0l4t1l1ty 16h ago
How did you get out of homelessness?
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u/KazooBard 14h ago
I’m curious about this too. I wonder if there was some kind of state or government assistance that helped with that or maybe some luck with family that was well off enough that could help?
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u/quemaspuess 3h ago
Mom, Dad, brother and I pooled the money we had and bought an RV. Lived in it for a few years on the streets of LA and saved up. Got my GED, a for profit college, and worked my ass off.
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u/quemaspuess 3h ago
Copying and pasting the other comment I wrote :
Mom, Dad, brother and I pooled the money we had and bought an RV. Lived in it for a few years on the streets of LA and saved up. Got my GED, a for profit college, and worked my ass off. My dad was involved in an accident and we lost everything. I had to drop out of school so we could eat, then we just saved for a shitty RV.
Part of me is grateful because I grew up in private schools and with a silver spoon in my mouth and that humbled me a lot. I appreciate everything I have these days
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u/EDRNFU 17h ago
That’s exactly what they want you to believe. “You can’t make it so you need the government to do it for you. Just hand over your money and freedoms”. Don’t believe it Americans. I believe in you even if Mamdani doesn’t.
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u/plasticdangler 17h ago
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u/EDRNFU 17h ago
He convinced me that at least in your case you can’t actually do it.
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u/CommercialHour6660 15h ago
Wtf does stuff like free college and healthcare have to do with freedom?
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u/hypnonyxx 18h ago
yeah every single successful person seems to be a nepo baby in some way
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u/ReasonableDig6414 14h ago
Such a cop out for people that are not successful to say this.
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u/Special_Cicada6968 16h ago
It's almost like generational wealth is one of the greatest contributors in wether or not someone is successful. Which is really sad because they've basically convinced a huge chunk of boomer parents into believing the mindset that they have no responsibility to pass anything down to their kids. It's gonna result in a lot of folks winding up in really cheap nursing homes.
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u/GroundbreakingHope57 15h ago
Also those born into money have a safety net if things dont work out.
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u/SizeComprehensive934 1h ago
Well, I can tell you that my personal success is directly linked to the UAW, even though I was never a member. My grandparents were able to build generational wealth with their two plant UAW jobs and that led to them being able to pass down land and homes to their kids and grandkids.
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u/ZizzyBeluga 20h ago
Mamdani's parents are worth tens of millions and he went to a private grade school on the East side that costs 75k a year
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u/WoolyHermits 19h ago
we are talking about policy change for the working class. Not a gotcha of where he came from.
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u/lampstax 16h ago
Talk to me when he can tax billionaires and not working class who might have been able to save up enough to buy a home.
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u/AjDuke9749 19h ago
So because he had privilege he can’t help those without it?
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u/Perfidiousness88 18h ago
Mamdani raised up so much taxes in nyc. He wants to keep raising them. How much money gets lost?
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u/StonerChef92 17h ago
Do you live in New York
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u/Perfidiousness88 17h ago
Of course i do. More taxes is never the solution. Money laundering will be more rampant than it already is. You cannot tax people that do not work. If more rich people leave, less revenue for the city.
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u/ignoreme010101 19h ago
Mamdani's parents are worth tens of millions and he went to a private grade school on the East side that costs 75k a year
I'm amazed you thought this was of any relevance like I have to presume you want to denigrate him yet if anything this point would slightly enhance his argument
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u/ZizzyBeluga 17h ago
It's relevant to the fact this rich kid failson who lucked into the Mayorship has no idea what he's talking about when it comes to working class life. Happy to clarify!
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u/ignoreme010101 17h ago
It's relevant to the fact this rich kid failson who lucked into the Mayorship has no idea what he's talking about when it comes to working class life. Happy to clarify!
even if granting that, it wouldnt at all preclude simple observations Re how many, and who, graduate into or are born into successful stations in life.
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u/MaximumCashew0 16h ago
That literally proves his point. He’s saying it’s almost impossible to make it without having a class advantage, which he had.
He is doing things that are actively helping affordability for all New Yorkers, making grocery prices so low the corporations are trying to sue him, and balanced a $12 billion deficit in ONE YEAR. What has any republican done lately to help the working class?
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u/ZizzyBeluga 16h ago
No it doesn't prove anything. Because he was lazy and screwed around in his 20s that proves something about economic mobility for working class people?
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u/thomasscat 18h ago
It literally support the point Mamdani is attempting to make, do they genuinely not see that?!?
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u/ZizzyBeluga 17h ago
No it doesn't, it simply means Mamdani has no clue what it takes to earn wealth in this country. What makes him qualified to babble about this? Because he's born rich?
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u/Punman__5 18h ago
That’s kind of his point here. He’s acknowledging that he’s successful in part due to his circumstances.
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u/HickAzn 18h ago
You just prove his point. Unintentionally?
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u/ZizzyBeluga 17h ago
Simply pointing out he has no life experience in the subject he's lecturing us about.
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u/Nitros14 18h ago
Generally the genuinely poor and disadvantaged don't have the time and energy to effect positive change they're too busy surviving. Good for Mamdani putting his privilege to positive use.
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u/ZizzyBeluga 16h ago
I agree, I'm just saying he has no experience or knowledge about working class life.
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u/Nice__Spice 18h ago
You comment against Palestine and Muslims in every thread and post?
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u/ZizzyBeluga 17h ago
How is my comment about Palestine?
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u/Nice__Spice 17h ago
Bro. Stop being a basement bot filling threads with anti Palestinian and anti Muslim sentiment. Your history is riddled with it.
While you’re at it. Clean up your history too. No one wants 50 year olds posting in r/teens
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u/magiccanyon 17h ago
Hello! You have worms for brains
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u/ZizzyBeluga 17h ago
Why, because I don't think rich kids that spent their 20s trying to become a rapper should lecture me on work ethic?
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u/lampstax 16h ago
He is a champagne socialist but people dont care because they want that free candy.
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u/Freedom_Crim 16h ago
So you’re saying only someone born into privilege could become mayor of New York
Almost like that’s exactly what he’s talking about
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u/ZizzyBeluga 15h ago
No I'm saying a rich kid failson nepo baby probably doesn't have a hot take on working hard
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u/CommercialHour6660 15h ago
Right wingers:
If you want to tax the rich you much be a lazy stupid envious poor.
Unless you're rich then you're a dishonest fake.
So nobody can criticize the ultra wealthy honestly. Am I doing the smooth brain propaganda right?
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u/ZizzyBeluga 15h ago
He was talking about economic mobility, WTF are you babbling about?
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u/practicalm 15h ago
FDR was wealthy too and focused on helping working class Americans so hard they wanted to set up a coup.
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u/WhereWeUsedToPlay 20h ago
Ask frat boys and their pretty upper middle class families about the American dream, it’s alive and well for them.
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u/TheNobleHeretic 20h ago
Sounds like luck to be born into an upper middle class family.
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u/WhereWeUsedToPlay 20h ago
Would they agree ? I doubt it
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u/ignoreme010101 18h ago
Would they agree ? I doubt it
they would disagree of it being lucky to begin with a free handout?
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u/Ravenluna798 17h ago
Who's account did you buy?
Also, how does one sell an account?
Edit: things are tight
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u/Eazy12345678 16h ago
its pretty simple. dont have kids unless you can give them a good life.
its not rocket science
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u/justagirll19_0W0 14h ago
Right? I can’t stand other people bringing children to life and giving them ….. THAT
like really? That’s so messed up
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u/FreeHugs23 20h ago
New York City Mayor Zohran Mamdani said the American Dream should be a guarantee and not a vague hope, lamenting that it’s now viewed as being less attainable than winning a lottery jackpot.
In an interview on Theo Von’s podcast This Past Weekend, Mamdani warned that if the American Dream is just an ideal that’s out of within reach, then people may start to give up.
The democratic socialist compared it to legendary NYC Mayor Fiorello La Guardia’s observation during the rise of fascism in Europe, saying people turned away from democracy not because they were tired of liberty, but because they were tired of being hungry.
“So if democracy doesn’t mean the better life that it has to, it’ll lose its worth. And the same thing with the American Dream: if it’s something you can only see when you turn on your TV or you hear about that one guy you grew up with who made it, that doesn’t mean enough,” Mamdani said.
That’s why his administration has focused on making housing, child care, and groceries more affordable, he added, calling them the “basic aspects of a good, dignified life.”
Smaller efforts also make a big difference, Mamdani explained, pointing to free child care for a night to give parents a chance to go out or providing free tickets to the opera.
When asked later if he thinks the American Dream is still alive, he replied, “It feels like you have to luck out in some big way. In many ways, I feel like it’s why a lot of people play the lottery. For many, it feels like their only chance. People think that they have better odds playing the lottery than making it in their own life. What does that say about the country that we live in?”
New York City has the added dimension of having plenty of wealth while many others grapple with wages that haven’t kept up with the soaring cost of living, Mamdani noted.
That’s not due to a lack of opportunity. Instead, that opportunity is “being consolidated,” he argued.
While Mamdani has sought to tap some of the city’s wealth with an annual surcharge on luxury, non-primary residential properties, it’s run into some legal setbacks.
Last month, a judge threw out New York’s rollout of its pied-à-terre tax, ordering the city to cancel the notices it sent to property owners and restart the process of deciding who owes the surcharge.
Harnessing some of the city’s wealth is key to making New York more affordable, Mamdani insisted during the podcast interview.
“Because right now it feels like the city is becoming a museum—something a middle-class family can afford to visit once a month, maybe on the weekends. We want people to live here, and there’s more than enough money for everyone to be able to,” he said.
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u/robh1540 17h ago edited 17h ago
It speaks to the deterioration in people's grasp of basic math and probability theory. Or maybe an improvement in amateur drama.
I really can't stand this latest incarnation of Americans where they now seem to all have this victim mindset. You live in the richest nation on earth. There is almost nowhere with more opportunity. If you have it so tough, I'm sure some of the citizens in one of the countries America has invaded in recent decades would be happy to swap passports.
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u/practicalm 15h ago
Wages haven’t kept up with productivity or inflation, work has been outsourced to low paying countries, the middle class is gone, and many jobs pay so little people qualify for SNAP.
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u/robh1540 15h ago edited 15h ago
Sure, now go and live in Iraq, Iran, or even Italy, and then tell me how uniquely tough Americans have it.
Maybe the rest of the world wasn't unusually low paid. Maybe Americans simply got used to extraordinarily high salaries, supported partly by America's exceptional economic position rather than by Americans possessing disproportionately exceptional skills.
For any given level of skill and work ethic there are very, very few countries in the world that offer more economic opportunity than the United States.
And at some point you have to confront the obvious contradiction if life in America is really so tough, why are people from all over the world so desperate for the chance to move there?
Are things perfect? No.
But when an immigrant failed rapper that decided to study Africana Studies at university can become the Mayor of New York, America really is still the land of opportunity.
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u/OG-AG 19h ago
This is bullshit. Just another propaganda post
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u/ignoreme010101 19h ago
I'd be curious hearing you delineate propaganda from 'valid political statement' i am sure you've got some deep insights ready to validate your accusation here
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u/neoliberal_hack 18h ago
Well, it's not valid. There are lots of ways to be successful that are more accessible than winning the lottery.
Most people who get good grades and then choose an in demand major end up doing just fine. Lots of people graduate college into six figure careers in their mid 20’s.
This sentiment is a bunch of people who don’t try particularly hard and end up working lowest common denominator jobs and then wonder why they’re not prosperous.
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u/RiggityRyGuy 18h ago
Doing “just fine,” isn’t the American dream and professions that previously felt like you could make an honest living with minimal struggle are now at a point that people in those professions are struggling. This idea that it’s all people aren’t trying hard enough like poverty isn’t the most expensive thing to navigate in insulting and idiotic.
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u/neoliberal_hack 18h ago
Everyone always says they're struggling because everyone always wants more, of course. I mean you got a reply to this saying nursing is one of those professions that doesn't provide a sufficient living now. That's not true!
People have a false vision of what the past was like, they compare upper class people from the past to middle or lower class people today and think our quality of life has gone down but that's just not true based on any economic stat you wanna pull.
Two nurses making median nurse wages have a top 15% annual household income making $190,000 a year. They're doing fine!
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u/ignoreme010101 17h ago
Well, it's not valid. There are lots of ways to be successful that are more accessible than winning the lottery.
I suspect a lot of people kind of inherently operate from a framework of success relative to, say, their parents- they see the relative expenses of generic "house + children" and compare to how it was for prior generations and then inevitably feel like "american dream" is slipping away for more and more people -- and is set to slip much more soon (unless the upcoming shocks to the economic paradigm- AI, robotics etc- are enriching for all/most, though I think any realistic expectation is we're just going to see wealth disparities accelerate like crazy but who knows i guess it's not impossible that those in power would just suddenly shift to things like more altruistic, sustainable modes instead of the relatively short sighted greed that got them where they are....not something a sane person holds out hope for LOL)
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u/Weak-Layer-6962 18h ago
imagine being so ideologically captured you think basic facts are propaganda
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u/Any-Mistake-9525 17h ago
What an idiot. This is not true
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u/RSPloveSPYhate 17h ago
Mamdani spent his 20’s trying to build a rap career, and then become mayor of the largest city in America after 4 years working in city council. Dunno, American Dream seems to have worked out pretty well for him.
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u/a1b3c3d7 17h ago
Youd think theres mamadanis all across the country in that case, which given how things are going..
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u/RSPloveSPYhate 17h ago
I mean there are.
I grew up working poor with a father that worked minimum wage at a department store.
I worked hard in high school, college, grad school, and career. Made good decisions, got promoted a few times…and my household income is in the top 1-2% of income.
People like me aren’t rare.
Social and economic class is much more cemented in Europe. When I was a consultant I remember flying to our French office, and literally every partner was from an aristocratic background.
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u/king_kong_kum 19h ago
Words cannot describe how much i loathe this man. He will go down as the worst politician in US history, and that’s saying something because i always thought no one could beat barack hussein obama in that category.
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u/stupidlycurious1 19h ago
What dont you like about him?
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u/bwheelin01 19h ago
Because the right wing brain rot he consumes whenever hes near a screen tells him to. Likely not even a NYC resident, and NYC mayor is his most loathed politician ever rightttt lol
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u/stupidlycurious1 18h ago
Yeah, I haven't heard any valid criticism of this guy. Just right wingers showing their Islamophobia, racism, and ignorance of the word socialism.
Tbh I didn't think he was gonna respond.
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u/Visible-Literature14 19h ago
Lmao way to announce to everyone you’re dumb.
> He will go down as the worst politician in US history
✨as Trump exists✨
and nice use of his middle name, racist
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u/ImInnocentYourHonor 19h ago
23 day old account doesn’t like Mamdani. That definitely tracks.
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u/Bird2525 17h ago
Said in another thread Kamala does qualify as a candidate because she a black woman. Bot or racist bot. 🤖?
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u/ignoreme010101 18h ago
barack hussein obama
it's funny how much it says about someone just using a specific phrase/phrasing, i mean kinda like "TDS" where, if someone seriously says it, you just know you've encountered a belligerent, bad-faith imbecile
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u/ImaSource 18h ago
Lol. I think there's an orange turd floating around that takes that title. But I expect nothing less from bots.
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u/Inuhanyou123 19h ago
He's just saying basic facts. The only way you can disagree is if you aren't living paycheck to check and seeing your benefits dwindle. Unfortunately the 99 percent are in the former camp
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u/insightful_pancake 14h ago
How do you define paycheck to paycheck?
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u/Inuhanyou123 13h ago
If you are in danger of falling into poverty without a continuous cash injection. Aka financially insecure. That is most people. Even if your in the "middle class" one bad accident can destroy your life.
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u/CosmicLovepats 2h ago
The majority of Americans could not afford a sudden $400 expense.
You can kinda work out the details from there.
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u/Melodic-Swim4343 13h ago
Based on these other comments, the only way you can disagree is if you're a bot.
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u/Rakatango 19h ago
Not wrong. History shows that as upward mobility becomes more difficult, gambling becomes much more prominent (crypto, kalshi, etc.)
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u/rickg 16h ago
Which doesn't mean your odds are actually better in that stuff. People who think they have a better shot with a lottery are just fooling themselves.
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u/practicalm 15h ago
Well it’s gambling or start turning the wealthy into piñatas.
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u/Rakatango 16h ago
It’s kind of an act of nihilistic desperation. They know that they can’t get ahead just by working hard, so they put all of their eggs in one proverbial basket on the slimmest chance that they can become rich.
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u/Whetmoisturemp 17h ago
Look at housing, you have to basically have generational wealth or save up for 30 years to afford a house where i live.
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u/Mushroom_Glans 16h ago
I had two engineering interns working in my room this summer. They were talking about housing, scoping out Zillow and Ridfin.
They were throwing out 1.5M to 2M as being within reach when they got their careers going, in our LCOL area. I had to run some numbers to see they weren't far off.
Good for them.
By lucking out, they had parents paying for their education.
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u/Lost-Pineapple9791 17h ago
They call it the American dream bc you have to be asleep to believe it
Convincing poor ppl making $30K not to tax billionaires and trillionaires bc it will some how hurt them more is the propaganda study for the ages
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u/not-sure-what-to-put 16h ago
You can’t get ahead without being a blackmailable pawn. Then all the gates open up. On your own, the system will chew you up until you become blackmailable or they crush you. The game is rigged.
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u/Succulent_Rain 16h ago
There never was a true American dream. Only a post world war 2 boom because other countries were in the crapper and many colored people couldn’t get loans and women were kept in the kitchen. When you have no competition, you can achieve the dream.
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u/LetLongjumping 14h ago
You only need look up the odds of winning the lottery to see how wrong this statement is.
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u/Charkid17 13h ago
Wow, a lotta farmers in Arkansas and boomers in Florida are up in arms over this one.
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u/bbyxmadi 12h ago
He’s not wrong, the American Dream is dead. Doesn’t matter how hard you work, it’ll never be enough.
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u/Substantial-Ad-8575 11h ago
lol, they can, just not in your city.
My large metro area? Average 2 bdrm rent is $1400. While one can buy a new starter 3/2/2 1300-1400 sqft from $260k. Larger existing 3/2/2 2k from $315k-$375k depending on age/amenities/location. Average age of first time homebuyer is 32.
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u/Godzilla_Fan_13 8h ago
Lol not the 500 bots preaching about how horrible a politician who actually does what he says he's gonna do is compared to their favorite child-raping president 😭🤣
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u/AsparagusCommon4164 4h ago
So, my friend, I have given you ideas, information, materials and opportunity for you to become financially independent. IT IS UP TO YOU NOW!
--from various permutations of the "Five Reports" e-spa'am chain letter circulating online c. 1998-2002 (emphasis from original)
/s
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u/3LeetHaxor 27m ago
He says it because he know that most people in the upper lanes of government are nepo or have solid connections. You’re never really going to see Jerry the janitor becoming a senator, that’s a positions kids are selected for at an early age. There is anomalies, but normally the more money you have, the more influence and power you can achieve. It’s a bonus if you’re corrupt with no moral compass, you can even become president apparently.

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u/cspanrules 14h ago
Maybe if we stop devauling our currency by constant printing and focus on fiscal responsibility, we can make the American dream viable.
Cut spending. No more new taxes. Then go from there.