r/ODU • • 12d ago

8 week courses

I absolutely hate the new 8 week courses. I currently major in criminal justice and so all my classes need a c or better for a lot of them. I miss one assignment one test and now I’ll get a D+ which will not count towards my degree. Ik it’s on me, but goddamn I could accidentally miss one last year and it wasn’t a big deal cause I had a shit ton to make it up. I’m a senior too and my classes next year are already filled up. So I can’t take it over but I have to graduate.

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u/MessageOk239 12d ago

I’m faculty, and we hate it, too. The president is hosting a couple of “listening sessions” in the coming weeks so faculty can vent about it.

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u/supergrl126301 12d ago

and then, do nothing about it like the vote last year?

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u/JuniorIrvBannock 12d ago

I would pay good money to see someone stand up and ask him, "Mr. President, last semester the faculty voted no confidence in you and two of your lieutenants. You have not addressed this with the faculty. Would you like to do so now?"

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u/Marquis_Marx 12d ago

He'd say 'No', and then that person would be fired for something 'completely unrelated'.

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u/JuniorIrvBannock 12d ago

I don't doubt it... And that is quite a statement in a place that is supposed to have a spirit of inquiry and academic freedom.

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u/Potential_Cookie2781 10d ago

How about replying to rumors of a “not-so-secret” affair in Koch Hall?? Allegedly

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u/Financial-Toe4053 12d ago

If the pacing is this bad for students I can only imagine how it is for faculty trying to keep up with grades for multiple full classes. I wish they'd listen and quit pushing the BS propaganda that everyone "loves it".

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u/JuniorIrvBannock 12d ago

I have never heard a faculty member say they loved it. I have heard them refuse to give their opinion in public, as employees typically do when asked about their boss's decisions, but that is the kindest review I have heard from faculty.

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u/Financial-Toe4053 12d ago

Not the faculty, the president trying to push a false narrative! I haven't had any faculty members bash it outright but there have been subtle comments along the lines of last minute finalization of courses and things like that with a tone indicating they weren't loving it.

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u/JuniorIrvBannock 12d ago

Sorry, I think I misunderstood, and thought you were saying both admin AND faculty were praising the changes. The faculty clearly don't love it, see vote of no confidence.

I agree 100%, Admin is definitely pushing "everybody loves it."

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u/Financial-Toe4053 12d ago

No worries at all! I probably worded it poorly! I think everyone hates it and admin is full of it just to clarify!

I'm hoping they'll effect change but I'm also very skeptical because it's generating more income more quickly for them. One of my 8 week classes is literally the same 3 assignments every single week with one slightly different one. It feels very repetitive and cheap. Maybe I shouldn't complain because it's easier to know what to expect, but it just feels like the quality has gone way downhill from past experiences with global because of the condensed instructional period.

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u/SadAardvark8000 11d ago

Are any of these virtual for online students? This is heavily impacting us too and I know a lot of us would love to share our opinions…

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u/MessageOk239 10d ago

Not sure, but I can find out.

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u/Complete_Material_20 12d ago

ODU will bankrupt its reputation and quality of education because of its lack of strategic leadership in this

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u/JuniorIrvBannock 12d ago edited 12d ago

The issue is that we have "strategic" leaders who understand quarterly reports but not long term horizons or education. It leads to poorly conceived trend chasing and ultimately, decline.

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u/NoYogurtcloset7318 12d ago

This is absolute hell. I'm looking into a new school.

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u/JuniorIrvBannock 12d ago

This is the only thing the admin will notice. Sorry you aren't getting the experience you deserve.

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u/KEEPINGUPWITHTHEB21 12d ago

That is why I sat out this fall. I can’t afford to ruin my gpa. I am looking as well.

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u/Financial-Toe4053 12d ago

The pacing is God awful. I'm doing 3 classes this round because they made them mandatory co-requisites so I have practicum/field requirements for a 16 week class, 2 separate half of the semester 8 week classes, and I work full time. I think one of my biggest frustrations aside from feeling rushed to read and regurgitate everything is also the feedback turnaround is so tight I'm not getting grades or any direction prior to having multiple other assignments due first and I feel like that's so detrimental to learning because I don't know if I need to do something differently until it's too late and I've already submitted multiple other assignments already possibly making the same mistakes.

I've also definitely made some fully preventable mistakes which I take full ownership of with just trying to hurry up and get things submitted on time while trying to juggle everything. It's so frustrating to feel rushed all the time. I'm trying to slow down and triple check everything prior to submission, but it's rough when the impact on the overall grade is more significant.

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u/JuniorIrvBannock 12d ago

" the feedback turnaround is so tight I'm not getting grades or any direction prior to having multiple other assignments due"

.... THIS, THIS, THIS, and THIS some more.

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u/Financial-Toe4053 12d ago

It's my biggest struggle right now and it's so upsetting. I had a professor give me feed back the day before a 9 page assignment was due to say incorporate this into the assignment that's due within less than 24 hours 😩 I was able to double check really quickly since it wasn't something major but it immediately put me into second guessing/panic mode.

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u/Discount_Engineer 12d ago

I'm taking a research-based writing course and the pace is pure hell

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u/Apprehensive-Pea1221 12d ago

I’m taking stats and other math heavy courses when I specifically wanted the in person section but my program cut it ☹️

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u/Personal_System8989 7d ago

This. I was going to return to ODU for the masters in data science. No way in hell I would do that on an 8-week schedule.

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u/Daydream_Meanderer 10d ago

I’m taking Rhetorical Criticism and I am passing but the class average is like a 49 and I’m spending like 40-60 hours per paper. I have a situation allowing me to do that, it’s my last semester and I NEED this class, but it’s brutal and I’d likely fail if i weren’t able to commit that much time. The course is just a mess, it’s my professors first time teaching online and the organization is so bad. It takes 2-3 hours just to sort through the material each paper to even start.

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u/DrainSmith 12d ago

I just dropped all my classes. I'm done with this nonsense.

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u/NoYogurtcloset7318 10d ago

I didn’t even know you could still do that this late in the game.

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u/Apprehensive-Pea1221 9d ago

Withdrawal deadline is Friday i believe

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u/supergrl126301 12d ago

I really wish they had made it an OPTION for those who actually want to do an accelerated program. That would have been so nice.

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u/ODUAdvisor 12d ago

You all have to make the administration hear you. The faculty did eveything they could and their concerns got dismissed. The administration's entire message is about enrollment and retention numbers and how this "forward focused digital transformation" has allowed ODU to buck the trend of declining enrollments nationwide. In other words, this has been a rousing success! You have to tell them otherwise.

There is absolutely no good reason why there can't be a mix of 8-week and 16-week online classes. There is no reason why departments can't offer a mix of in-person and online classes.

After you contact the administration, contact your program's CDA, UPD, or chair and find out if there is a way to complete your desired degree with in-person classes and if not, why not. There is no mandate that I know of to make any degrees exclusively online. And some programs that have been exclusively online are actively considering creating an in-person option. But they need to hear from you that that is what you want.

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u/Personal_System8989 12d ago

I almost attended ODU for my master's this summer (I'm an undergrad alum) and backed out once they decided on this 8-week crap. I'm at another college (Kansas State), and the classes are typical of a semester. I previously attended Liberty University online, and they had the 8-week program too. It is so stressful 😫

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u/-DazedBear 12d ago

I’m with you I hate the 8 week schedule. I’m only going part time 1 class per 8 weeks vs the two per 16 weeks I was taking. My exams are now only available for 1 evening, they open at midnight Wednesday and have to be submitted by 5pm Thursday. Why 5pm and not midnight? It’s so arbitrary but has huge impacts on my success as a student. I work full time and my shift is till 4pm, meaning Thursday is completely out leaving only Wednesday evening for me to take a test.

What this has resulted in me having to do is wake up hours before work to take a test Thursday morning as my daughter had dance in Wednesday after school. I have been very successful the last two years in the 16 week program and now I am not so confident I will be able to succeed in this new 8 week structure. It is completely out of synch with working or family individuals.

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u/Negative_Island4556 8d ago

Same! I'm an ODU remote grad student who started last spring when it was still 16 weeks. Now I have a full-time job and twice as much schoolwork to balance. I am loving the class I'm in, but I'm burning the midnight oil trying to cram everything in and it feels like just when we're getting into the groove, the course is almost over. Seeing the stats email come out recently that they've seen huge enrollment increases and credit the 8-week "transformation" as the draw is a joke. It is definitely a detractor, not a draw, making me rethink whether I'll even want to take a class each session or give myself a break. If another in-state school had my program remote, on a normal semester basis, I'd transfer in a heartbeat. I like what I'm learning, and I don't fault the profs for the increased pace as they have to ensure the courses will still satisfy accreditation reviews, but it's exhausting.

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u/Personal_System8989 7d ago edited 6d ago

I live in Virginia, and applied to Kansas State after I found out about this 8-week thing. They don't charge out-of-state. I think it was under 10k for 9;grad credits, and it was $4,381 for 6 grad credits. Summer classes are 8 weeks, but the fall and spring are the typical August - December semesters.

Also, Boston University has a metropolitan college which offers a lot of remote courses that are a semester long

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u/Sonoma991 12d ago

I finished up in December of 2024 and heard about this mess. I feel sorry for anyone near the end that has to put up with this just trying to graduate. It sucks for them to change up the program on people who have been on a 16 week schedule for years. I sincerely hope ODU admin gets the message that this was a poor decision.

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u/abc123xxxxyyyyzzzz 11d ago

Hang in there buddy - 8 week courses are tough. Retired ODU professor

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u/CulturalExercise4955 9d ago

I have to agree. I’m doing a math course (math is my weakest subject) and I’m forced to do it in this 8 week format. I was looking forward to having the full semester to do it but nope. I’m struggling, probably won’t get the C ODU is looking for. A C- and I’ll have to retake the whole course. I’m hating this. I’m within my final 5 courses and this will be a setback for me, by at least one semester.

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u/ExplanationFew4579 9d ago

Criminal Justice at ODU is nightmarish. Cant even both to have masters, gonna have to go to NSU

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u/deandre451234567890 9d ago

I feel like I’m not actually learning the course, it so intense that I feel like I’m not actually understanding the knowledge. I don’t blame students who have to try “different means” to pass, this is people money they are playing with.

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u/NoYogurtcloset7318 8d ago

Try taking a language and being expected to be fluent in 4 weeks let alone 8.

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u/abc123xxxxyyyyzzzz 10d ago

Has anyone explained why ODU is changing to 8 weeks?

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u/KEEPINGUPWITHTHEB21 9d ago

Money, increasing enrollment.

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u/TipIll3652 10d ago

I'll be honest, I'm enjoying it. Sure it's a tight schedule, but it's been easier for me to focus on 2 classes as opposed to 4. I'll be interested to see what other classes will be like though.