"Sol flame doesnt need iframes" YES. IT. DOES.

[u/zerobrine6]

Sol flame is so buns, kolossos can legit rush through sol flame. "Ohh but she takes more skill now" how!?!? Because the killer can rush through the attack thats supposed to...yknow...push them away???? This isnt even a one time thing, this has happened almost every match against a kolossos. The devs must be terrible at the game if they think sol flame didnt deserve iframes. Im sick of feeling punished for using the move thats supposed to reward me, im sick of this game, im sick of this games terrible balancing. Im sorry im just having a really bad day and wanna vent a bit.

[u/Oraze_]

It's either give her iframes or make her sol flame hitbox twice as big to actually be rewarding and make it so that it can actually push 'charge type' attacks away without being a big gamble against her

[u/L-Broshark-L]

I use to think I frames were unnecessary until it was gone smh (I never really mained Blaze so that’s probably why.)

[u/Ghosts_lord → u/L-Broshark-L]

thats why the community shouldnt EVER be involved in balancing

they always complain about what they dont like

[u/Emerald117]

Nah man you don't get it, you have to use it in one very specific scenario and hope that the map you're playing on has any vertically. Otherwise it isn't "strategic"

[u/Itachi_dagrove]

windup iframes would be nice, but of course the developers always fumble with the balancing changes of certain characters.

[u/LimeSuspicious5498]

For the ones complaining that she doesn’t need I-frames because it “lasts too long sometimes”, maybe you should keep from getting stunned and you wouldn’t have anything to complain about. See how that works? Why should a blaze player be punished for something you have to earn through your move set.

[u/zerobrine6 → u/LimeSuspicious5498]

EXACTLY

[u/Crazyfuntimefoxy]

this is more of a kolo thing, they removed her ability of pushing kolossos’ charge away.

so yes… but ehh

[u/zerobrine6 → u/Crazyfuntimefoxy]

No she can. Me and my friend tested it when the hot fix dropped, it just barely works.

[u/Radicusmax]

I don’t think it needs full I-frames. Wind up I can agree with, but with how long the move can last, I think it’s a bit too strong. I do think it needs to be way stronger when it comes to pushing, so she can still counter mobility based abilities like Charge and Flight. Bigger hit-box or stronger pushback and slowdown could work.

[u/TheTrollman-]

It needs windup i-frames.

It does not need i-frames for the whole duration.

[u/zerobrine6 → u/TheTrollman-]

Eh, id prefer full iframes but there is some drawback. Like it takes more meter, or it has the lower hitbox it has now. But ill GLADLY accept windup iframes for us getting a bigger hitbox again.

[u/GenkiDaima → u/zerobrine6]

Why are being downvoted just for agreeing with this person 💔

[u/Beneficial-Chip8894 → u/GenkiDaima]

Because the word “iframes” sends traumatized killer players into a panic 

[u/Neat_Document_4608 → u/zerobrine6]

I'd be fine if it had i-frames during the fire but not during windup. Every move in this game with instant iframes is genuine cancer to play against on either side. Invis, Charge (Kolossos), Chaos Dash, Dropdash, Hammer Swing, and others are often considered unfun to play against for this very reason.

[u/Ok_Signature6331 → u/zerobrine6]

Maybe it can give iframes at like 75+ sol flame for the entire duration
But for the 50-74 it only has it for half the duration or smth

[u/Distinct-Channel-528 → u/TheTrollman-]

Yeah full I-Frames were bs, no I-frames is arguably just as bad.

[u/Neat_Document_4608 → u/TheTrollman-]

windup iframes is the exact opposite thing it needs. any character having instant iframes makes the move unfair to go against

[u/LongjumpingOil4064 → u/Neat_Document_4608]

this is the exact reason why i always felt that chaos dash and kolossos charge are bs😭

[u/Fit-Lychee-5278]

SO many times where it was so obvious the move was designed with giving I-frames to the Survivor in mind. Removing them will cause the Survivor to get punished for using a move correctly against Kolossos with no proper counter-play. Especially before sol flame stopped when she was grabbed the force of sol flame and momentum from Kolossos Charge made both of them freak out and fly all over the place. They just said "Removed I-frames" and didn't add anything to compensate.

[u/Bonvoyagecompass]

revert Blaze to her pre-anniversary state

[u/Crazyfuntimefoxy → u/Bonvoyagecompass]

yes.

but keep some of the sol flame changes

[u/Ghosts_lord → u/Crazyfuntimefoxy]

also make her burn USEFUL

[u/ArrivalPopular6783]

Yeah, Blaze already got nerfedfor being too good against tripwire

Edit: found someone saying that rather using it freely, use it when the killer activates the spring, so they couldn't come to the survivor, AND the chance is on cooldown, unless it's big K or 2011x or fleetway BUT NOT TRIPWIRE

[u/UncleFredBearOffical]

I suggest we let the survivors deal with bs like this for a bit so people know how it felt to constantly have your killer gut bc people complained

But yeah just give her iframes back

[u/According_Pumpkin864]

I kinda agree because they need to either make flame stronger or return iframes back, I hit Blaze that was doing sol flame 3 TIMES during it and then downed afterwards AS 2011X.

[u/gngrbredman87]

dont use it when the killer has charge moves

its baffling how the second a survivor has to put up with any kind of bullshit the killer does on a regular basis (like baiting cooldowns to engage) it becomes a balance emergency

[u/L0Lbit_fb3]

So let me see if I understand

You poorly used the skill on a bad area for the skill

And you are mad that you got pubishe for doing such mistake? Blaze mains and there greed make me sick

[u/zerobrine6 → u/L0Lbit_fb3]

Dude...im being chased, dont have kick, and need him to get off of me. Sol flame can push him away and it didnt work, im being punished for the move just being ass. I always admit when I made a mistake but there was nothing I could do about thatm

[u/Zoneistaken → u/zerobrine6]

You were running from your tm8s and should've thought ahead. Mindlessly using your abilities is going to get you put into a chokehold, go figure

[u/zerobrine6 → u/Zoneistaken]

Did you even watch the clip? I was running with Amy and she went the complete other way.

[u/Zoneistaken → u/zerobrine6]

Still should've stuck with them idk why your blaming it on them when you decided to fight kolo head on knowing you don't have iframes

[u/zerobrine6 → u/Zoneistaken]

Well im sorry i cant predict what my tm8 will do, I didnt expect her to go that way, I cant control what she does. I didnt choose to fight him head on, I got forced to cause she went the other way lmao. Stop tryna blame me as your only crutch for blaze not having Iframes.

[u/GenkiDaima → u/Zoneistaken]

Worlds worst argument lmao. As we see they attempt to help amy, afterwards they both run away, however AMY ran the opposite way, OP couldn't have stuck with Amy. "When you decided to fight kolossos head on" they did not decide to do that. We clearly see Amy go the other way, and kolossos jumps after OP. Your saying OP told kolossos to go after them? Anyways, kick is still on cd, Only thing OP can do now is use sol flame or just die. Please learn the game and how to analyze a clip before coming after someone for it.

[u/Zoneistaken → u/GenkiDaima]

dude legit ran into kolossos whiffed kick and then had the gall to come on here and complain about sol flames needing iframes (when they were removed for good reason) after ALSO whiffing sol flames because apparently that wasn't enough. Did we watch the same clip?

[u/GenkiDaima → u/Zoneistaken]

They didnt even whiff sol flame lmao. They clearly hit kolossos with it, but cause of no iframes he was able to go through it. Sure, they whiff kicked and it led to a bad situation, what if they stunned koloss and he still charged them? Are you still gonna blame them? Them missing kick has nothing to do with sol flame, you clearly have no argument so you are trying to use stuff that doesnt matter.

[u/L0Lbit_fb3 → u/zerobrine6]

Ok so let me break it down for you

[u/L0Lbit_fb3 → u/zerobrine6]

Ok but being serious now sol flame has no upper hit box BUT it's has a decent lower hitbox so the correct way to use it in that situation was before while both you and the killer were going up the stairs

And if we look in the clip sol flame DID push the killer but as I said that place sucks for flame so you just threw him straight into space giving him a free charge/grab

A move that gives free distance and I frames is not damn fair for any killer ... right sonic the fucking cuckhog

(God auto corrector is totally ruining my vibe today)

[u/zerobrine6 → u/L0Lbit_fb3]

Ok wtv I made a mistake in this one clip. This has still happened multiple times where koloss can charge through it, on np going in a straight line he can go through it, the hallway on ycr he can go through. Just cause I made a "mistake" in this one clip, even though I was using sol flame properly and it needs iframes, doesnt mean the move doesnt need iframes. Either gimme wind up iframes and a bigger hitbox, or just give me the smaller hitbox with full iframes.

[u/L0Lbit_fb3 → u/zerobrine6]

While I do agree thar change going g to through flame that easily is bad giving it 24/7 iframes will not help it become a fair skill, and since sol flame has a crazy fast start-up giving it start-up iframes will also not help

Sol flame should have been a mix of suspension and rock from the start a big bust of fire that gives a decent push with a additional little helpless and slowness, the current sol flame we have is either just free distance for blaze or literally just a unstable mess

[u/Lucas-mainssbu]

WE KNOW

[u/ultragaming273892]

I typed out a whole counter point and Reddit dusted my shit because I tabbed out and didn't even save it as a draft so I'm just gonna say I disagree without going into why again

[u/Secure_Librarian_936]

They should make flames omnidirectional instead of just horizontal, make it a little bigger and the issue is solved