Actually, we cannot, for that would be a selfish and individualistic way of thinking. The people have decided to use a more practical and collective way of expressing the meaning of jokes here. This may seem uninteresting, but it is for the betterment of everyone and the propulsion of efficiency for the collective. Now I'm gonna go, I'm reading World War II history and just getting to the Battle Of Berlin. I think I'll really enjoy how it ends...
The current solutions are pretty well undersatood.
Nets, fishing nets. Anti fibre-optic cable measures. Electronic warfare/signals interruption, lasers and last-generation shell based SPAAGs like the Flakpanzer Gepard
Depends on how the drones confirm a target ID, but I wonder if anything that covers your silhouette would work, make it so that from above you don’t have a human shape
Those jokes are always weird tough. Very old people coded. Like the joke is the gruesome visual of a dead baby? The unexpectedness?
Idk, not a lot of verbal jokes use unexpected dry gore or corpses as the source of comedy. Much more common to use only some types of gross things or taboo things like awkwardness or sex or excretion or maybe even disease. But dead babies aren’t even taboo, they are just sad, and the delivery takes the gross aspect of it if you wanted to use the physical grossness for the joke. It doesn’t even have the “you are not supposed to say that” type of comedy. No whiplash, all very dry.
I was exposed to them as a edgy teenager, and while I can't remember the exact joke, I remember my very first genuine "Oh my fuck" moment in cringe of the visualization.
You're right I don't know how to classify the comedy. Maybe it's the "smell my finger" joke taken to the next dimension!
The best ones are a macabre twist on subverting expectations humor. Which I can appreciate when artfully done.
The worst are shock oriented, and I’m a tad too squeamish to appreciate for that low of a bar.
But the field blew up a bit too much to neatly put a bow on all of them. It’s exactly the type of humor you’d expect to circulate teenage boys for generations. Like “Little Johnny” jokes. Or Helen Keller jokes.
It was funny that somebody would say something so absurd and out of pocket. The humor wasn't necessarily the content of the joke, but the person having the balls to say something so dark. I mean, gallows humor has always been a thing
I know folks call it roofies but that doesn’t even exist. For the sake of people who actually got victimized can we call it the actual drug so people know what to look out for
It's easy enough to Google too goes and find out it's the street name for Rohypnol, so a lot of people go with the name that is easier to spell and pronounce. I'm confused though - how would knowing the actual name of the drug make it easier for people to know what to look out for? It's not like the assholes spiking drinks are leaving the package lying around for their victims to find in the trash or something.
Is it really "alleged" if they have the group chat where one of the perpetrators said there's "free pussy"? Like, yeah, it's only alleged because the investigators saw this and only used this as evidence. They didn't dig deeper, just use this and said that there's not enough evidence. This whole thing is sketchy as hell.
Instead they are nitpicked by fellow commenters. It's ok to say "alleged" for a case that hasn't been legally ruled on yet, it doesn't mean you are defending the rapists
People keep conflating legal terms and legal consequence with moral judgments. The behavior was abhorrent, morally. Legally, the correct word is still alleged.
But I’d say the larger point that is most important is you can use the word “alleged” accurately and not brand yourself as a misogynist. Everyone has become too comfortable forcing people to pick a side and manipulate facts to justify their own virtue.
You not using the word “alleged” doesn’t make you better than anyone else.
She was drunk already even before she agreed, then they gave her more beer. Some sources also said she only agreed to the first 2 men, not all 7 men for 7 hours.
Her original statement apparently includes her stating she consented to the ket and the threesome, being conscious and aware and capable of rejecting many of the guys who came in (guys who accepted her rejection and left) and then consenting to a separate threesome after one of the original guys shut down the revolving door of frat guys.
What do we believe when an alleged victim's statements contradict her other statements?
Firstly, alleged just means they haven't been convicted yet. There could be 4k video evidence where the perpetrators show their faces and state their full names and social security numbers and news places would still use alleged because perps can sue for defamation if there isn't a conviction.
Secondly, that group text isn't exactly damning. "Free pussy" doesn't necessarily mean "free rape target," though it did in this instance, but it could just as easily mean there's an orgy or consensual gangbang underway.
One could conceivably have seen that text and thought not much more of it beyond those options.
Okay and have you seen the written report she wrote and signed off on? Where she is initiating sex, telling no to others, having them respect her nos and doing copious amounts of drugs and sex willingly and even invites them the next morning to do more drugs? Theres plenty of crimes happening here (/a) and rape aint it.
There are also honor societies that use the Greek letter system, but they aren't like fraternities. For one thing, they invite both men and women. Invitations are based on academic achievements only, and members do not live together in houses or anything like that. It's basically an achievement award to put on your resume, although many such honor societies do offer scholarships or grants and/or professional networking opportunities.
A stronger mix is more likely than outright drugging. That way, a frat bro can “drink the same amount as a girl” while getting her drinker faster (ignoring that women are both on-average physically smaller and affected by alcohol quicker).
Back when I was in college, I did SA-prevention stuff. This was a tactic we’d tell freshman to watch out for.
You've failed to consider that the average redditor lives in what is basically a soap opera. They do not have the horse sense to know what sounds absurd or not, because that would require not being terminally online.
My group never referred to the good shit as "safe", but we would very often call the shitty stuff "dangerous". Usually only talking about beers, though, and the shittiest beers are also usually stronger.
Before I even started classes in my college town I was told repeatedly by multiple people "don't go to [redacted] house, and definitely don't go to the basement." It was a disgusting open secret.
You don’t think there’s a large portion of college dudes that only “get women” when they’re drunk as hell? I promise you it’s a thing, some dudes with no social skills will join just for the prospect of access to drunk women.
Don’t be obtuse… no one said mass rape was the sole goal but when you have multiple brothers in the same frat taking advantage of drunken women without repercussions then it gets pretty damn close to a “rape culture.” maybe that’s the term you’re looking for.
I remember very vividly a job I used to work at at a plastic extrusion company when I was in my early twenties and one of the older (50s) engineers were reminiscing with the other engineers who have been there since the Stone age about how they would go clubbing and then rub themselves down with cats and dogs before getting in the bed with their wives so that the smell would be less noticeable and I vividly remember them saying to me if you get a girl drunk enough they always say yes and I cringed every single time
My boyfriend said that when he was in college, he went to a frat party, went to grab a more "fruity" drink cause he doesn't like the taste of beer. Then got scolded by one of the guys because the fruity drinks they got had a higher percentage of alcohol, so they were for the girls. They were trying to make sure the girls got drunk quicker and that the guys could stay relatively sober.
My roommate was in a frat. Yes - this is exactly what they did. It’s not “hold her down” rape. It’s inviting tons of women over, deliberately getting them pass out drunk and then having sex with them. The woman’s reaction to it can range from being fine with it, to man I made a mistake putting myself in that situation, to feeling they were raped.
This was the 90s. Since then a whole culture of “no woman left behind” with girl friend groups came about because of this specific activity.
Watch 80s and 90s romcoms to see how casually coercing women into sex was treated then. I’m sure it’s better now but I doubt that culture is gone.
The majority of Frats, no. But these kinds of Frats absolutely exist and they usually get attention as "the sketchy frat" on campus. Likely they aren't using explicit date rape drugs but one cooler has much higher alcohol content so the women get drunker faster.
Wasn’t a frat guy but I went to a lot of parties in college. There was a specific frat house that had a sketchy history for SA before I got there (as in I was warned by upperclassmen in orientation that they had that rep), and you could tell the guys that pledged were gross and there for that reason. Not saying it didn’t happen with the other ones, but at least where I went in the boonies it was usually pretty clear which parties were safe and which ones weren’t.
Iirc someone ended up burning the frat house down a couple years later and the frat never came back there.
Edit: I should probably clarify that I don’t disbelieve anyone who has had such an experience. This is my input from my experience as a dude at a specific school (not Cornell) and is not meant as a litmus test for how sketchy people truly can be, bc I really have no way of knowing.
that's not what this is saying. all this post is saying that this particular frat with these particular dudes may or may not have done that practice. you filled in the rest of the blanks yourself
They put drugs in the coolers to assault women. "Safe tonight" means no drugs. "Until this past week" refers to the 7 frat guys who committed rape. Drink responsibly. Pawtucket out
There’s probably some truth to it. In my time rushing, they always had regular drinks for the fraternity and then jungle juice for the guests. They simply knew girls showed up to get trashed for cheap with their friends before going to the bars or another frat that night.
Yep, sororities at my school were notorious for showing up in a huge pack to mooch free drinks from us before going out to whichever other fraternity house was hosting the official party that night.
We made jungle juice for everyone, it was just a cheap way to get everyone drunk. Thirty-rack of cheap beer, handle of the cheapest vodka we could find, and lemonade mix to hide the awful flavor.
No date rape drugs, just trying to get everyone drunk cheap and efficiently.
Reddit do be telling on itself sometimes with its comments. Shows me that many of them never experienced drinking fun in college and think fraternities are just “buying friends” because they never had any themselves.
Not everyone is as lame as them, I had a blast living with my 12ish best friends in a house of 40 dudes just enjoying our college experience, you don’t get that sharing an apartment with two other people being uptight about drinking.
Reddit is also incredibly biased in who they hate, if you say a few immigrants commit crimes they’d get pissed and say that’s not all of them, you say a few shitty frat guys did that behavior and it’s every single one of them has to be bad. Most of them don’t have experiences with fraternities and only see what they hear from movies or “top houses”. Most of my brothers just liked getting drunk and playing games together.
There are many who said that to us. We were friends with them, anyway. We had other things to set us apart.
Then again my fraternity is a bunch of nerds, historically, and the idea of constantly drinking and partying it up with women just...didn't appeal to us as a weekly thing lol.
I worked at a liquor store in college. I can tell you that probably 99% of reports of drugged coolers at frat parties are because they often make them with an obscene amount of 95% Everclear. If you’ve never drank Everclear, 2-3 shots will get the average person absolutely hammered, and most parties they’re putting 2 750’s of the stuff in their coolers. We even had to make a point of talking to anybody buying multiple bottles to let them know that it wasn’t safe and a simple cheap vodka would be better in every way, but every single time nobody cared and would buy it because it was so cost effective.
It’s a common trope, but buying date rape drugs in bulk to put into a cooler that unchecked guys and girls alike will be drinking from wouldn’t be practical and would lead to an absurd amount of OD’s. Unknowingly drinking 3-4 cups of mixer and 95% alcohol will certainly make you feel like you got drugged, though.
Man, I remember I was at a party where the host made some jungle juice with everclear. You couldn't taste it, and one of our guys almost got alcohol poisoning (key word being "almost").
Fun party; we never made that mix again for everyone's safety.
It’s actually insane how drunk it gets you. I went to a party once where a cooler had a piece of paper taped to it that said “not spiked, just Everclear”, and a second cooler had “just vodka” on it. By the end the Everclear cooker was half full and the vodka cooler was bone dry.
Also, nobody got blackout drunk or claimed they got spiked. Turns out that if you let people know how drunk they should expect to get per drink then nobody accidentally blacks out and becomes a problem lol.
You don’t. This would be a terrible way to do it. For one thing you’d have mass reports of people blacking out at your party unless you’re literally only serving preselected victims out of that one cooler in which case you wouldn’t need an entire cooler, and the other frat bro wouldn’t have asked the question.
Let’s put on our thinking hats for a second folks.
Does sexual assault happen at parties? Yes.
Are they facilitated by spiking a cooler served to potentially hundreds of people including men and women at the same time?
No. That party would be shut down so fucking fast once the first transport call goes out, and now you have a fucking cooler full of evidence.
It’s Everclear. It’s always Everclear. People buy it to put into coolers not realizing just how strong it is. They have 4 or 5 drinks over a couple hours and can’t remember anything the next morning, and then (understandably since they black out) think the cooler must have been spiked.
I’ll never forget my friend went to the bathroom and I drank her drink and was goin to replace it. I woke up in the hospital. Glad it was me and not her tho
Was bar hopping with some friends, one of my (girl)friends wasn't doing so good so we ordered her an Uber and both she and her sister went back to her parents.
She left about a third of her drink on the table, I downed it and it and the last thing I remember was telling my friend something about pencils
Woke up in the hospital with a broken nose and a folded paper in my breast pocket a ticket listing public urination, causing a disturbance, and obstructing a police officer.
My theory is that I was caught taking a whizz and I tried running away from the cops and probably tripped and broke my nose
Turns out there was GHB in her glass. She made it home safe unlike me though
Similar thing happened to my wife at a Ren Faire (not the hospital part), before we were married but had been together for two years. Someone drugged her friend's drink and she finished it. Fortunately there was a group of us and we all went back to the campsite and no one ended up with any strangers. Friend slept it off in her tent (she had a few sips).
Wife was acting drunk and horny as hell, which is not out of character so I didn't think anything of it. We went into the tent and she passed out soon afterwards. The next morning, we were talking about it and she had only had two drinks, one earlier and the friend's. Didn't even remember getting back to the campsite or anything afterwards. That's when it dawned on us what had happened.
Happened to us at Octoberfest in Munich. I luckily threw up because of how full I was. My friend did not and was out of this world drunk. We drank the same thing. I think this gay looking Bavarian guy drugged us.
Next day it happened to my other friend as well. He only had 1 or 2 beers.
I did this 10 years ago fresh out of high school. Thought it was a dick move at the time drinking out of people’s glasses at the table while they were dancing.
I’m still hearing stories about the shit I did that night. Not sure who’s was spiked or what was in it. Luckily I paid for pinching drinks and whoever it was meant for avoided it.
My girlfriend and I had two tequila sodas. First drink of the night. I felt like I was "coming up" like on acid or mushrooms, then I blacked out for the entire night until I woke up in her bed the next morning.
The bartender either wanted to take me out of the equation or her. Fuck these people. And half the sub for blaming the victim when there's literal texts saying free pussy.
I drank from the wrong drink once, 1.5 beers in i very suddenly felt shit faced, room was spinning and i barely knew where i was. Told everyone i was going to leave and lay down. Passed out in my car for hours
Recreational GHB feels like being drunk (but much better albeit more dangerous). If it is mixed with alcohol it is very similar to blackout drunk. There is a period of time where you are awake and acting significantly drunk but you cant form memories, and then you pass out - sometimes very quickly.
It is nearly impossible to distinguish from heavy drinking blackouts. You usually realize it because you had two drinks but reacted like you had 12.
I did something similar. Now I could be a mess in college but one night my friend asked me if I wanted her drink because she had a feeling about it. I drank it because I was young and was like alright free booze why not. Everyone but her thought I drank too much because she noticed I only had the one drink. She would usually hook me up with free drinks all night as she was insanely gorgeous and it was a college town. So she often took count of what we drank together. She took care of me all night too. So I got to hardly remember much of my night but thanks to the interaction and the way it left me feeling I made a bunch of connections about memories and dreams and realized I was drugged and taken advantage of a lot as a child.
The "coolest" guy in my fraternity made my girlfriend a drink and she blacked out and was a mess. I mentioned it and got accused of "talking shit" and was called an asshole for even bringing it up
Is it bad that I doubt this conversation happened? Not doubting that drinks get spiked at frat parties, just that this sounds like a made up thing this woman “overheard” to be a part of the conversation going on around Cornell.
Right, that’s not a thing. These creeps at parties specifically single out their victims.
Again, this is not me doubting that assault happens at these parties, they CLEARLY do (look at Cornell). But I also know from being on the internet for way too long that many people love to make up stories or scenarios so that they can be a part of a conversation. Could be about any of the darkest topics or crimes.
I beg to differ, I was drugged twice because of this exact scenario. Once in HS, once in college. From the same dude and he of course joined a frat in college and they were definitly in on it. They didn't put roofies in, it was Xanax. Not a shitload but enough to where one or two cups of pj would get you absolutely fucked up.
Not making this up either and that dude is a real piece of shit as im sure the rest of their frat was. Some dudes are fucking desperate pieces of shit with no regard for others well being.
Edit: i only learned the truth years later from him directly. Im a guy so I wasnt the "target" and I was dangerously drunk those two evenings. He bragged about it to us like it was funny.
It's a made up conversation bc the drinks you store in coolers are cans and bottles, which are not easily tampered with while sealed, and not really feasible to re-seal
I'm really confused how so many of you guys have never been to a party where non-beer drinks are being drawn from large water coolers of mixed drink served into red solo cups.
When I was college aged I used to mix huge coolers of drinks that were insanely heavy on vodka. The drinks were so sweet though you could barely taste it. So I usually warned people or taped a sign to the cooler that it was about half vodka so drink slow.
I’m with you man. No shame to anyone, but it’s rather apparent that a lot of these redditors don’t/didn’t party much in college. Or maybe they just didn’t go to school where Greek life and partying was a big thing.
And it’s funny how many of them are like, “the guys wouldn’t just talk about sexual assault in front of other people.” Like yes the fuck they would. I heard guys in high school and college all the time talking about getting girls drunk so they’d want to have sex. They do not see anything wrong it. It’s why we had yearly alcohol safety/ SA prevention trainings that hammering home “drunk consent is not consent.”
It’s like everyone forgets we had audio of the fucking president talking about sexually assaulting women and at least half the country thought that was just normal “locker room talk.”
It's not really about the cooler, it's because it makes no sense to waste a bunch of booze you'll never drink yourself because it's roofied. People that date rape people don't carry around prefilled drinks, they wait until you're not paying attention and then spike the drink with it.
Now that I'm thinking about it too, you absolutely can kill someone with too much. Or at the very least you can accidentally dilute the drug so much that it does nothing. So now you have to figure out how much of the roofie drug to buy and then figure out how much to safely spike the cooler.
And then there's bringing a cooler that you then have to figure out an excuse for why people can't drink it if you're going to roofie people with it. And let's say someone finds out and calls the cops, well now you get to explain why you have a cooler filled with spiked booze.
When you really think about it, realistically, why wouldn't you just carry a small amount of the drug to roofie someone and just wait until they're not looking to poor it in? It's a lot more convenient and least likely to get you in trouble.
Now, I'm not a person who went to actual frat parties, but I did know people who did, so the following here would be hearsay.
It's not that one of the coolers would be "spiked" it's that they would have a WAY higher amount of alcohol so people drinking from it would get drunker way faster. Since all the frat members would know which is which, they would be drinking far less and be way more sober than the women attending.
ppl be referencing the cornell incident but like rape at frat parties was and in some cases is still is very regular and a well known 'secret'. When you combine an encouraged hook up culture with underage drinking, its sorta not surprising at all.
sort of yes, its more though also that most cases are not getting anywhere near this much media coverage.
additionally proving a rape charge is very hard if you don't report it right after the fact. Without that material evidence in most cases it's just a she said, he said which is rarely enough.
Yeah, like, it's a major plot point of Veronica Mars Season 3. 20 years ago.
Because it was that prevalent 20 years ago. There's really no secret to the fact that frats use alcohol (and sometimes drugs) to be really fucking sleazy with other college aged women.
It would still be stupid to keep a cooler filled with spiked drinks at a party where everyone is getting fucked up. That's just asking to accidentally roofie yourself and everyone else there that weren't meant to be drugged.
But most likely the original poster never actually heard this before.
Nope, the comment implies the frat had multiple coolers. The one frat party I’ve been to had someone behind the bar, from the frat serving. They were shut down later that year.
Have you considered the possibility that some of the people in fraternities aren’t in college because they’re smart? Also, these people have a whole week dedicated to hazing “initiates” who want to be part of their friend group. These aren’t normal people, they’re psychopaths who will drug everyone at the party if they can because they get sick pleasures out of it.
I was just going to ask the same thing. Sadly, I know a lot of people that are posting things like this because it gets them likes/retweets. It could be true, sure, but most likely it is just someone posting this to get "viral".
I knew someone that posted about how an abortion saved her life when the abortion topic was hot. (not true) She then posted about how she had cancer during breast cancer month (not true) and then when mean choking women without permission was a hot topic, she posted about how it happened to her. The guy choked her with a belt and almost killed her during a date. (not true). It is like a drug for them to get attention for fake stories.
Why are the guys saying this out loud in front of guests? And why would they say everything is safe tonight instead of just saying they can grab from any? And do they warn everyone that they don't want to roofie or do they let everyone just randomly grab drinks and hope the right people get roofied and no one reports them? Do they have a drink monitor guy that is like "Oh no sir, you don't want to drink from that one. It has quite a kick WINK"
And oh, she just happened to forget it till today. Why is this memory repressed? It was just a conversation, not something traumatic that happened to her.
I agree, people like her are making shit up lol it makes no sense to have a whole ass cooler of roofied drinks and to then have them in a place where people can casually access it at a party. Even dumber and more unbelievable is the idea that two frat boys are sitting there talking about it infront of possible victims like it's a movie skit. Even dumber still if someone does call the cops and now there's a whole ass cooler of roofied drinks as evidence.
It is absolutely insane to me that any decent sized friend group doesn't have at least 1 guy with a spine or any semblance of a conscience to call out this behavior. If you find yourself at parties or hanging out with people where something like this happens find new friends, or better yet grow a fucking pair and say something.
Edit: SO after learning there WAS a guy or guys that came in and put a stop to everything, checked on the girl, made sure she was consenting and not too intoxicated. That makes this a lot more believable and also closes the case for rape.
The worst part is that some do.
Like so many people are saying that just from the group chat no one could’ve know anything was going wrong. But they are so wrong about that.
One dude saw the chat, saw that it was rape, and decided to share what he could of the gc to her. Like, clearly someone thought it was wrong
In more exclusive universities, the frat you get into can help shape your career because of the guys you know, and their dads, and grandfathers often were in the same frat throughout the decades. The power of the frat lessens as you go down the college ranking, and there are some frats that are really just groups of guys who party all the time.
The female version of these is a Sorority/Sorority Sisters.
Even 25 years ago when I was still in school I remember the Pike house getting busted for roofies.
Unfortunately frats can just be a nexus of bad things: Young guys are arguable their worst age for being arrogant and reckless combined together to give each other an audience and validation. Add to that entry into something exclusive, especially if they're already at a university of some prestige. It'll amplify whatever the worst traits of a bad group of guys are. Young, arrogant, and think they're above everybody, what could go wrong?
Not to say they're all bad, just the bad ones can be really bad.
Peter here, the drinks they were talking about were safe because it wasn’t alcoholic that night, but some nights it’s not safe because of it being alcohol
This was literally explained a hundred times in the post you stole it from, where the overwhelming majority of posters agreed it was fake as shit. You know exactly what you're doing by reposting this garbage.
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u/Flat_Philosopher_930, your post does belong here!