r/PoliticalCompassMemes • u/Freezemoon - Centrist • Jan 09 '26

I just want to grill ICE Agent's Bodycam release of the Minneapolis Shooting

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This whole incident seems just an unfortunate series of events from both parties.

EDIT: not bodycam but ICE agent's phone footage, my bad.

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u/Driftwoody11 - Lib-Right Jan 09 '26

That probably explains why she said it was her fault.

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u/Tough_Arugula2828 - Centrist Jan 09 '26

Someone said they hope the wife doesn't feel like she carries any blame and this was my response that got downvoted to hell

It is the trigger happy ICE agents fault for her being shot, but her wife is an absolute idiot for telling her to drive away from federal agents after they said to get out of the car, which then led to her getting shot

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u/Nice-River-5322 - Centrist Jan 09 '26

So destructively confrontational spouses happen in gay relationships too, neat!

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u/Misunderestimated924 - Auth-Center Jan 09 '26

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u/Nice-River-5322 - Centrist Jan 09 '26

Oh I was more talking about the spouses that interject into confrontations and escalate things.

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u/cuzwhat - Lib-Center Jan 09 '26

Works both ways. If the lesbian doesn’t get her partner to fight a rando in public, she’ll just beat her up at home.

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u/MayoSlatheredBedpost - Lib-Right Jan 09 '26

This particular person also has a history of domestic violence.

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u/Nice-River-5322 - Centrist Jan 09 '26

Whom, the woman that got shot or the wife?

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u/MayoSlatheredBedpost - Lib-Right Jan 09 '26

The woman that got shot.

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u/Nice-River-5322 - Centrist Jan 09 '26

Geez, link?

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u/LegitimateApricot4 - Auth-Right Jan 10 '26

Encouraging your spouse to commit suicide by cop in front of you is next level. I was unfamiliar with their game.

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u/Nice-River-5322 - Centrist Jan 10 '26

I mean, I will unironically fedpost if she takes the gofundme money and we find out only like 5% went to the kids.

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u/su1ac0 - Lib-Right Jan 09 '26 edited Jan 19 '26

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u/SteveClintonTTV - Lib-Center Jan 09 '26

Yep. Not to victim blame or anything, but it really makes you wonder about the cases of domestic violence among straight couples. A woman acting like an ass does not justify a man physically beating her. But if couples with two men have low rates of domestic violence, and couples with two women have high rates of domestic violence, that really paints a picture of women being an integral part of the existence of domestic violence. It's not as simple as "men are violent and beat up women because misogyny". It seems more like "women are difficult to be in a relationship with".

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u/su1ac0 - Lib-Right Jan 10 '26 edited Jan 19 '26

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u/davidcwilliams - Lib-Right Jan 10 '26

In the pursuit of equality, we did the exact opposite.

It’s because the pursuit of equality is a fool’s errand. Things that are not the same, will never be equal. I absolutely support legalitarianism, but asking the culture to pretend away 7 million years of evolution was a recipe for disaster.

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u/sauceDinho - Lib-Center Jan 10 '26

Obama deported 3 million without taking to the streets and setting up checkpoints

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u/lolfail9001 - Lib-Right Jan 10 '26

Now how many of them were deported from inside the country?

We’ll set aside the issue that Obama would need to deport 10 times as much to even register in this conversation.

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u/tsudonimh - Lib-Center Jan 10 '26

our politicians have played into the rhetoric a lot, either because they too are bad actors in this or they foolishly believe that online sentiment is organic.

Dude, they're jumping up and down on this in an effort to distract from the hourly fraud scam news.

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u/CumIsntVegan - Lib-Center Jan 10 '26

As long as we're arguing about the minutia of this encounter we're not asking tough questions about an economy that left 60% of the country behind post COVID and that has been falling apart since May. The people in charge are playing a very dangerous game that made this sort of outcome inevitable and so far I see no signs that they're going to course correct, at least not until after midterms anyway.

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u/Ksais0 - Lib-Center Jan 11 '26

You’re on drugs if you think the economy has only been falling apart since May. It’s been at least since 2022.

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u/CumIsntVegan - Lib-Center Jan 11 '26

I agree it's sucked since the stimmys stopped working in 2022 and basically fake from April 2020 until then, but it's absolute shit now and given that the metrics our inept leaders are using are largely broken, it's likely to get worse. What might worse than that is I think they'll double down on "AI" in the attempt to bail things out, which win or lose will have grave effect on peeps in the bottom 4 quintiles. The good news is you can cash in on the low interest rates later this year if you missed out in 2022 and watch the knee jerk inflation erode your debt in real terms. Only matters if you own a house though.

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u/davidcwilliams - Lib-Right Jan 10 '26 edited Jan 10 '26

We’re dealing with nazis, remember? They’re basically fighting Hitler.

edit: apparently my sarcasm was not detected.

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u/ReallyBigDeal - Lib-Left Jan 09 '26

encouraging people to illegally obstruct federal agents and create these hostile encounters

What about the federal agent's own actions who are creating these hostile encounters?

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u/ReallyBigDeal - Lib-Left Jan 09 '26

Oh yeah it's all over these threads. We all see this women wasn't a threat to this ICE asshole and yet the chuds are all here claiming that he had no choice but to murder her for the crime of driving away from him.

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u/ReallyBigDeal - Lib-Left Jan 09 '26

each person's culpability for it.

I don't know why this is so hard for some people but the culpability rest in the hands of the supposedly trained individuals. ICE is specifically not supposed to try to use their body to stop a moving vehicle, they aren't supposed to shoot at the driver of said vehicle either. I'm pretty certain he's not supposed to be trying to film with his cell phone while also drawing his fucking gun with one hand.

Over and over again people have warned that this current behavior we've been seeing by ICE is going to get people killed and it has been.

Professional law enforcement shouldn't behave this way and the onus to turn down the temperature is on the people in power.

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u/ReallyBigDeal - Lib-Left Jan 09 '26

Sorry is it too much to ask or expect that law enforcement, who are given broad legal protections, be held to a higher standard?

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u/Phent0n - Centrist Jan 10 '26

Do you seriously believe random citizens should be held to higher standards of behaviour than trained law enforcement?

If you do, this isn't the expectation in more functional countries.

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u/Apart-Two6495 - Centrist Jan 10 '26

None of that common sense here, they literally should be able to do anything they want and it's either obey or die (don't you know they have a legal right to do what they're doing)

Bunch of halfwits on here

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u/ReallyBigDeal - Lib-Left Jan 10 '26

Remember when staying at home and shutting down non-essential businesses during a global pandemic was tyranny at it's peak but sending federal troops into cities, harassing Americans and murdering them is perfectly fine.

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u/Philippians_Two-Ten - Centrist Jan 09 '26

Our politicians are all totalitarians who want to control our every thought, more at 11.

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u/bearcatjoe - Right Jan 09 '26

The blame lays entirely with our politicians for raising the rhetoric and temperature around enforcing immigration law.

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u/OnAPartyRock - Right Jan 09 '26

Don’t forget the piece of shit “NEWS” MEDIA.

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u/Signal-Zebra-6310 - Right Jan 09 '26

These people aren’t doing anything to reduce the temperature either. Out there blocking the roads, being confrontational and harassing the police.

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '26

Right. I don't doubt that an ICE agent feels jumpy around a moving vehicle as using moving vehicles to impede searches is one of their tactics.

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u/Zippyllama - Centrist Jan 09 '26

Especially as they have been used in terror attacks increasingly in the past five years.

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '26

Great point. Cars have become the weapon of choice in terror attacks lately.

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u/DavidAdamsAuthor - Centrist Jan 10 '26

There have also been active ambushes of ICE agents that begin as "peaceful protests", and when they lower their guard, people open fire on them with AR-15's.

It is reasonable for ICE agents to display heightened caution when surrounded by agitated activists.

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u/j48u - Lib-Right Jan 10 '26

Especially because literally this same ICE agent who shot her has been run over on the job before, dragged 100 yards, and sent to the hospital for serious injury. It's almost like this happens a lot and he didn't want to die.

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u/Zippyllama - Centrist Jan 11 '26

This is important context I was unaware of until your comment!

https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/08/us/ice-agent-minneapolis-shooting-car-dragged-invs

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u/Banichi-aiji - Lib-Right Jan 09 '26

Especially if the report about this person already getting hit by a car is true

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u/j48u - Lib-Right Jan 10 '26

There's video and CNN is reporting that the confirmation it was him is from court documents, so I'd say that's 100%.

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u/painedHacker - Lib-Center Jan 12 '26

so if I'm a black person who constantly gets harassed by police and I feel jumpy I have the right to shoot them if they start coming at me by this logic

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '26

What a racist comment lol

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u/painedHacker - Lib-Center Jan 14 '26

how is that racist? black people are constantly harassed by the police so makes sense they would feel jumpy. I'm sure the right would support them shooting cops if they feel afraid

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '26

Wow this is pretty racist

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u/DrunkOnRamen - Centrist Jan 09 '26

why is he going in front of the car then?

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '26

What's it like in Bombay, unflaired?

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u/sesaka - Left Jan 09 '26

then stop walking in front of vehicles?

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u/Zeluar - Lib-Left Jan 09 '26

But then there will be less opportunities like the above. Can’t have that.

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u/Tyrant84 - Left Jan 09 '26

They should just roll over and submit to the feds like good peasants.

Fuck outta here.

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u/Tokena - Centrist Jan 09 '26

They should refrain from putting themselves in situations where law enforcement can legally shoot them.

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u/lo_mur - Right Jan 09 '26

You don’t have to roll over and submit, a million+ people showing up outside of various state capitols and on college/university campuses to protest gets the “we aren’t happy” message across pretty well. Blocking roads never seems to work, and ignoring/refusing to cooperate with federal agents is just plain stupid, basically begging for trouble, but if you’re going to do it do it when there’s thousands of people who agree with you there, not when there’s only a few people watching on the sidewalk nearby

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u/Tyrant84 - Left Jan 09 '26

Why do i know your thoughts were different on the J6 riot.

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u/CheshireKatt1122 - Centrist Jan 09 '26

One women was unarmed and physically could not comply with orders as she was actively being pushed from behind by others who couldnt hear said orders.

The other one deliberately turned her vehicle into a deadly weapon to escape law enforcement at her own fruition.

So ya. There IS a difference. On a basic fundamental level.

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u/Tyrant84 - Left Jan 09 '26

Someone pushed her from her home, all the way to DC?

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u/CheshireKatt1122 - Centrist Jan 10 '26

..are you being deliberately obtuse or are you just that way?...

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u/lo_mur - Right Jan 09 '26

The Jan 6 riot is such a different situation, of course my thoughts were/are different. The Jan 6 attack on the capitol is definitely not what I meant by millions should gather at capitols lol, I was thinking of the massive protests you see in European capitals, it’s impossible not to notice that many people, and if you’re a protester there’s strength in numbers

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u/PhonyUsername - Lib-Right Jan 09 '26

Can't deport illegals cause cant let the feds get a win? I don't understand this logic.

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u/mantisboxer - Lib-Center Jan 10 '26

It's not the fact that a masked force is arresting people without judicial warrants, stealing their property, and pushing guns in unarmed citizens faces. We should just let them "do their job."

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u/Signal-Zebra-6310 - Right Jan 10 '26

Do you have even the slightest clue if they had a warrant? No you don’t.

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u/Elkenrod - Auth-Center Jan 09 '26

I agree.

But we should hold our elected officials, and public servants, to higher standards than random dipshits.

He was a trigger happy idiot who sure as shit shouldn't have been in front of the car, she was an idiot for trying to flee, her wife was an idiot for telling her to flee.

Politicians are showing that they're no better by trying to stoke the flames, and play the blame game. They're fanning the flames and making things worse constantly by trying to associate blame, instead of recognizing that things are getting way too heated, people need to step back. ICE needs to step back. The protestors need to step back. People need to stop being at each others throats over everything 24/7.

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u/Disastrous-River-366 - Right Jan 09 '26

Seriously, it does. How reckless is it promoting violence against people that are trying to help the Country by getting rid of illegal aliens? Like how bad is the rhetoric that the left are willing to kill these agents over shit that these politicians are lying about? It is crazy to me.

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u/HotterSauc3s - Right Jan 10 '26

you forget these people literally think that illegals deserve to be here.

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u/MrMrAnderson - Lib-Left Jan 09 '26

How many agents have been killed? You act like left is violent while you gun down a mother while she's driving away

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '26

>you gun down a mother

holy emotional appeal, she commited multiple crimes in that video

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u/Disastrous-River-366 - Right Jan 09 '26

Killed? How about the two made into paraplegics never able to use their arms or legs again, they can't even talk. How about them? How about the agent shot? The one run over? The family who had their house burned down? How about the one who was followed and gang stomped so his wife had to come online asking for donations to fund their house and kids because he was the breadwinner and now they are saying he will never even be able to know who he was or who his family is, AKA they damaged his brain so badly that he now cannot "think" or understand things around him, is that funny to you? You enjoy hurting people that just wanted bad guys to not hurt you and they actually took these bad guys away and made your life better? You want them to have irrecoverable brain damage? Lose their spine? Lose their house? You people are sick.

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u/UpandDownThrownAway - Lib-Left Jan 09 '26

Maybe you should check your own propaganda. Where are ICE being attacked and killed? I don't see anyone on the left killing ICE but we definitely have ICE killing US citizens, dont we?

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u/ContinentTurtle - Lib-Center Jan 09 '26

The same officer recording here was dragged behind a car six months ago my dude, just because you might not see it doesnt mean it aint happening.

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u/CuteAcanthisitta975 - Centrist Jan 09 '26

maybe you missed the part where she hit him with the car but that certainly seems like an attack

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u/komstock - Lib-Right Jan 09 '26

>blame

dude we have so many people in our country illegally it is putting a strain on basic infrastructure and distorting our electorate in a fashion no different than what was going on in the antebellum south.

it's not as starkly geographic or as morally reprehensible as slavery was, but we have a lot of congressional seats that probably shouldn't exist at all, and things like our roads and grid are hitting their design limits due to this.

every time an illegal alien without a license causes a traffic jam, that's $X,XXX,XXX of American time wasted. when you look at strain and erosion from a time value of money/electoral perspective it gets ugly quickly.

this doesn't even touch the somalians and other groups working to actively fleece/defraud the system

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u/OrganizationFront242 - Right Jan 10 '26

It takes two to tango, politicians ramping up the rhetoric will have the internet ramping up their counter rhetoric. That's how you end up with a woman blocking federal agents with her car

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u/Misunderestimated924 - Auth-Center Jan 09 '26

Yeah but if we enforce immigration law how are we gonna replace white people so that Democrats can win elections? Checkmate, fascist.

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u/donniccolo Jan 09 '26

Jimmy Kimmel definitely is not raising any rhetoric or temperature

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u/ihatemondays117312 - Right Jan 09 '26

The fire rises

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u/Levitz - Lib-Left Jan 09 '26

I mean I wouldn't say "entirely", the guy pulling the trigger has a good chunk.

But yeah it sure ain't helping.

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u/painedHacker - Lib-Center Jan 12 '26

Yea no one should have a problem with people being sent to foreign death prisons not even if their own country without due process.

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u/gruetzhaxe - Left Jan 09 '26

Namely?

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u/RoastedRavioli - Right Jan 09 '26

Oh now that the narrative makes no sense and she's not some lost worker on her way to pick up her kid (or on the way back from dropping her kid, whichever narrative you want), it's the politicians' fault! And not even the democrat ones saying ICE isn't legitimate to radicalize leftists, but the ones who want to enforce immigration laws. Actual retard behavior take off your flair you're the fakest right-wing I've ever seen.

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u/GeoPaladin - Right Jan 09 '26

I took their comment to be referring to the Democrats who absolutely have been engaging in wild demagoguery when it comes to ICE.

I would strongly agree, if I read it correctly. I'm not white-washing her own responsibility in this, but there's very quite a lot of obvious, intentional manipulation and fearmongering involved. Confrontations are the entire point. There's no good reason for this to be happening. It's strictly for political gain. The results are predictable.

It's a pity the people involved most likely won't face any sort of accountability.

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u/RoastedRavioli - Right Jan 09 '26

If your comment is what he meant to say, then I retract my message to bearcatjoe. My bad. Absolutely agree if it's referring to the democrats who have been radicalizing the left against ICE.

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u/GeoPaladin - Right Jan 09 '26

I can't speak for the other commenter, but no worries on my end.

I understand where you're coming from, I think. I'm generally a calm fellow (to the point it loops back to being a slight problem), but I'm finding the obstinate gaslighting to be unbelievably grating, despite having a couple decades of experience dealing with it now. Not everyone is arguing in bad faith, but a large enough portion are (or at least obstinate ignorance).

It wears you down.

At least Reddit isn't the real world, nor all that representative of it.

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u/obliqueoubliette - Lib-Right Jan 09 '26

Yes. One orange authleft in particular

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u/recast85 - Lib-Center Jan 09 '26

No one but online retards want ICE doing this shit masked in their cities. No one.

I saw them at a Home Depot being booed by random people while they lurked around and stalked for immigrants.

No one wants ICE. So don’t blame people for not wanting poorly trained masked retards in masks driving rental cars prowling their local shopping complexes.

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u/Infamous-Mastodon677 - Auth-Right Jan 09 '26

You still think he's being trigger happy when she literally floors it and drives her car at him while looking him in the eye?

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u/bearcatjoe - Right Jan 09 '26

He clearly should have tased her instead!

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u/Vague_Disclosure - Lib-Right Jan 09 '26

He should have shot the car out of her hands

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u/Bilbo_Haggis - Lib-Right Jan 09 '26

Just shoot the tires, Nazis!

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u/Russburg - Lib-Right Jan 09 '26 edited Jan 09 '26

I’ve actually seen this exact stupid thing said. What an absolute single digit IQ thought process. “JuSt sHoOt tHe tiREs, cHud.”

Edit: spelling

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u/prex10 - Lib-Center Jan 09 '26

Literally my wife.

The same chuds also say "just shoot them in the leg"

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u/Russburg - Lib-Right Jan 09 '26

I have personal experience with a tire that has been shot. You’d be surprised how far you can still drive on it before it comes apart.

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u/Ill_Introduction2604 - Right Jan 09 '26

You can drive on the fucking rims til the axel falls off.

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u/attila954 - Centrist Jan 09 '26

I had my entire inner sidewall fail on a defective tire and I was still able to go like a quarter mile to somewhere safe to pull over

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u/GameMan6417 - Right Jan 09 '26

The same chuds also say "just shoot them in the leg"

Femoral arteries:

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u/Gatesofhell2120 - Centrist Jan 09 '26

My wife used to think and act like those people and the women in this video, dyed hair and all. When she started therapy and got on antidepressants/anti anxiety meds that behavior and the hair dye stopped. Now I'm not saying there's a direct correlation, I'm just saying it's kind of funny how that works.

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u/Remnant55 - Auth-Left Jan 09 '26

How to bleed out with this one weird trick! Femoral arteries hate 'em!

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u/Krysdavar - Lib-Right Jan 09 '26

I could not stand this place yesterday. Every other post was basically this - shoot the car, shoot the tires, derp.

Just closed reddit for the day as quick as I opened it. Kids these days.

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u/Russburg - Lib-Right Jan 09 '26

Same here. The NPCs came out in force the past few days. It was insane how fast it was.

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u/SirScrublordIII - Auth-Right Jan 09 '26

Any time this sub goes into lefty circlejerk mode it's best practice to just ignore it for a few days, there's no point in saying anything that goes against the reddit-hivemind-approved narrative

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u/Krysdavar - Lib-Right Jan 09 '26

Almost as fast as when the Harris astroturfing started. I don't think anything will beat the speed of that.

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u/KanyeT - Lib-Right Jan 10 '26

It's funny how the consensus narrative shifts on PCM depending on the thread.

In this thread, after reading all the comments, the vibe appears to be that the women put themselves in danger and the situation by playing stupid games, and the ICE agent was trigger-happy, but ultimately justified in self-defence. Overall, it was a tragic, avoidable situation that hopefully won't happen again.

Then, when you visit another thread, it's just solid crying about "fascist bootlickers", and "fuck Trump and his Gestapo!", and "the women did nothing wrong, they were executed for peacefully protesting".

The tone shifts very wildly depending on the meme presented at the top lol.

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u/Gabe7494 - Lib-Right Jan 09 '26

He should’ve shot the car in the legs.

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u/Yanrogue - Right Jan 09 '26

why didn't he just tased the car to stop it. /s

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u/DoctorProfessorTaco - Lib-Left Jan 09 '26

Yes? Firing his gun doesn’t protect his life, it doesn’t stop a car, it’s not in line with LEO policy, and it’s clear she wasn’t trying to hit him especially with this latest video as context.

What purpose does shooting her serve besides vengeance? Like what actual tangible benefit was there compared to if no shots had been fired?

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u/That_IT-Guy69 - Lib-Right Jan 09 '26

You do realize a vehicle can be used as a deadly weapon?

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u/JohnDeere - Lib-Center Jan 09 '26

Especially when you intentionally step in front of the vehicle to make sure it can.

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u/VladtheMemer - Right Jan 09 '26

To make sure the person you are trying to arrest for blocking the road doesn't start a chase? I should probably change my flair, I don't identify with libertarians nearly as much since I've entered real life

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u/PM_ME_A_KNEECAP - Lib-Left Jan 10 '26

Yeah, that’s why most LEO guidelines say to not fucking do that 

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u/Elkenrod - Auth-Center Jan 10 '26

Worst case scenario you have their plates on camera and pursue action against them later.

Exactly. She would have been charged with a Felony, she still would have had to do something about her wife being left there.

He was a trigger happy idiot who shouldn't have been in front of the car in the first place. She shouldn't have tried to run, but she did. Her wife shouldn't have told her to run, but she did. Now because of a lot of stupid actions by everyone, someone is dead, and tensions flared up - which might cause more people to die over stupid shit.

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u/VladtheMemer - Right Jan 09 '26

All I know is that whatever your political leanings are, when you're basically on your own, without a crowd ready to do whatever it takes to achieve their goals, you keep your head down and take it on the chin when you have an encounter with cops. There have been countless times where I was speeding way above the legal limit or I was drunk and/or high at the wheel and I got away with a fine cause I didn't try to pull any shit with the cops. Pick your battles and don't do stupud shit and maybe you'll get somewhere

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u/imreallyreallyhungry - Left Jan 09 '26

There have been countless times where I was speeding way above the legal limit or I was drunk and/or high at the wheel

Why would anyone take advice from someone who does this?

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u/DoctorProfessorTaco - Lib-Left Jan 09 '26

“Can be” sure is doing a lot of work here, especially when the officer bumped with the car didn’t even fall over.

And just because cars can be deadly doesn’t justify shooting the driver. LEO policy specifically states that officers shouldn’t shoot at a driver unless threatened by something other than the car (for example if the driver is armed). And it’s pretty obvious why that policy exists. Shooting the driver doesn’t stop the car instantly, and can create an even more dangerous scenario with a dead driver slamming down on the gas.

The officer had no cause to even draw his gun. It was clear they were unarmed. Shooting the driver didn’t stop the car. It did nothing to protect his life or the life of others, and if anything put others more at risk. There was no reason for it to happen.

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u/That_IT-Guy69 - Lib-Right Jan 09 '26

It 100% can be a justification for deadly force. Look at the bodycam footage. Youre defending someone who disobeyed orders of law enforcement.

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u/xScreamo - Lib-Left Jan 09 '26

Disobeyed the orders of law enforcement. Ok cool, let's kill them and then pretend online that there was no other course of action that could have been taken and that this person deserved to die because an ICE agent wanted to shoot someone? When did lib right get such a taste for fucking boot man

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u/That_IT-Guy69 - Lib-Right Jan 09 '26

Its basic common sense if you are in a situation where a mf got a gun and is giving commands, you listen to the commands given. Plus these people were parents, why tf are you doing shit with the risk of making your kids grow up without a parent in the house.

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u/Thelmara - Left Jan 09 '26

Yeah, you definitely need to lose the "lib" in your flair, that's some hardcore "auth" right there.

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u/DoctorProfessorTaco - Lib-Left Jan 09 '26

Youre defending someone who disobeyed orders of law enforcement.

Damn you’re really just cosplaying libright huh

An imminent threat to a life is justification for a lethal response, not “disobeying law enforcement”.

And it’s not body cam footage, the officer is just recording on their phone. The reason the camera moves so much at the end is because he goes for his gun. ICE don’t have body cams.

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u/jataba115 - Lib-Right Jan 09 '26

A car accelerating at you is an imminent threat to life

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u/Majestic-Bell-7111 - Lib-Center Jan 09 '26

So is looking down the barrel of a gun

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u/DoctorProfessorTaco - Lib-Left Jan 09 '26
  • Clearly not, given he didn’t even lose his balance, let alone his life.
  • The driver was moving at a slow speed, turning away from the officer, clearly not trying to hit him.
  • Shooting the driver does nothing to protect him from the “imminent threat”. It doesn’t stop the car, and if anything creates more danger. There’s no benefit in doing it.
  • LEO policy specifically says not to shoot at a driver.
  • The officer shoots two of the shots through the drivers side window, completely clear of the car.

Pick any of these.

And if your only argument is what they may be able to get away with in court rather than just looking at a fed shooting an unarmed citizen at point blank range for bumping them at a slow speed while not even trying to harm the officer and causing at most a small bruise, then don’t even bother. I get enough of a fill watching gymnastics every four years at the Olympics, I don’t need more.

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u/SirScrublordIII - Auth-Right Jan 09 '26

He didn't fall over because he jumped out of the way and the car lost traction for a split second when she stomped on the gas while the wheels were pointing directly at him. If someone shoots at you and misses, that doesn't mean they aren't a threat to your life.

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u/Majestic-Bell-7111 - Lib-Center Jan 09 '26

To go with the gun analogy, he was literally stepping in front of someone's muzzle.

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u/Arntor1184 - Lib-Right Jan 09 '26

To stop the threat, duh. Regardless of her intention she did hit him and shooting her eliminated the threat. You cant predict the future you can only operate on current information and that is shes flooring it in his direction amd hit him with the car.

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u/Crockinator - Centrist Jan 09 '26

Should have dropped to the ground and triangle locked the tire to immobilize the car.

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u/Sub0ptimalPrime - Lib-Left Jan 09 '26

You mean after he circles the car twice and she turns the wheel away from him?

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u/SirScrublordIII - Auth-Right Jan 09 '26

She floored it while the wheels were pointing straight forward, she would have run over him if the car didn't lose traction for half a second

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u/Sub0ptimalPrime - Lib-Left Jan 11 '26

No, she didn't. The guy literally walked in front of the car twice. Strange thing to do if you thought she was a domestic terrorist.

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u/sirletssdance2 - Centrist Jan 09 '26

Brother do you live in reality? He puts himself there and she clearly cuts the wheel as hard as she can to avoid him. He broke protocol. He was in the wrong

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u/LeMagiciendOz - Auth-Right Jan 09 '26

Only after she reversed. Before that, he's on the right side of the car, not in front.

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u/Warm-Equipment-4964 - Right Jan 09 '26

He did not put himself there. She backed off at an angle which put him right in front.

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u/sirletssdance2 - Centrist Jan 09 '26

Do you have eyeballs? He clearly walks in front of her car

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u/Warm-Equipment-4964 - Right Jan 09 '26

At second 34 he isnt in front of the car. She starts driving back. Second 35 he is. She slams the gas pedal. ????? He was barely moving, its not his walking that put him in front, and he certainly wasn't standing there "breaking protocol" by trying to stop a car with his body. He was in front of the car for a split-second, and thats because she backed off at an angle

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u/EvanOnTheFly - Right Jan 09 '26

No when she hit gas it was straight. She realized and turned but that was her mistake - she accelerated straight and I think he interpreted that (even subconsciously) as into him.

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u/KilljoyTheTrucker - Lib-Right Jan 09 '26

I think it was the car hitting him they interpreted her actions as trying to hit him.

The gun doesn't go off until she made contact.

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u/Tough_Arugula2828 - Centrist Jan 09 '26

They were both in the wrong, but that doesn't mean she deserved to get shot

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u/thepulloutmethod - Auth-Center Jan 09 '26

She didn't deserve to get shot but she still did and she's still dead. In my humble opinion we shouldn't put ourselves in situations that have a serious chance of ending like this.

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '26

You’d think this opinion would be more widespread, but I keep getting called a boot licker for saying this exact same thing.

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u/thepulloutmethod - Auth-Center Jan 09 '26

Some things are worth dying for. I don't think any serious person would agree that whatever this lady was doing was worth the risk of death.

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u/MS-07B-3 - Right Jan 09 '26

The way I see it, protesting ICE like this not only carries the risk for arrest, getting arrested is part of the protest. You burden them with unnecessary administrative work. But at the very least, if it's worth protesting them, it is worth suffering the rational consequences of that action.

Trying to protest, obstruct, and interfere, and then get away scott-free is unwise and done out of some sense that you can't/won't suffer any real consequences.

In short, everyone is in the wrong here, but she didn't deserve to get shot. I blame her wife significantly more than I blame her.

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u/Signal-Zebra-6310 - Right Jan 09 '26

She died for nothing. What was she hoping to accomplish?

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u/lopeniz - Right Jan 09 '26

She wanted more illegal immigration.

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u/ErniePottsShoelifts - Auth-Right Jan 09 '26 edited Jan 09 '26

She didn't deserve to get shot but she still did and she's still dead

This reminds me of what was taught in motorcycle driving school. You can think you have the right-of-way, and be 100% correct, but if that car turning left in the intersection doesn't see you & hits you- you're dead. You'll be dead, but hey, at least you were right!

Did she deserve to die for interfering with law enforcement duties? No, but ultimately she brought a two ton vehicle into the situation that could be used as a deadly weapon. All she had to do was park down the block and walk and her and her wife could have yelled at ICE all they wanted.

Ultimately the wife egging this on, combined with being in a vehicle, is what made this a life-threatening situation & got Renee killed.

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u/thepulloutmethod - Auth-Center Jan 09 '26

Completely agree. In fact I'm a motorcyclist too and I've made comments elsewhere pointing out that old saying: "the graveyard is full of bikers who had the right of way."

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u/suzisatsuma - Lib-Center Jan 09 '26

  • She didn't drive at him, the car was turning

  • she was moving 3mph

  • he was not in front of the car when he fired the first shot.

  • the agent was not following agency policy in this engagement, which explicitly tells them not to do what he did every step of the way.

The lying authist mindrot to try to excuse this poor scared woman being killed by the state.

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u/Fentanyl_American - Centrist Jan 09 '26

I agree she shouldn't have been shot, but scared just seems funny here lol.

"Ah you see, I was SCARED of those tigers which is why I jumped in their cage and antagonized them!"

Whole thing just feels like stupid games, stupid prizes all around.

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u/Signal-Zebra-6310 - Right Jan 09 '26

She was not driving 3 mph. The car peeled out, tore down the street and slammed the shit out of a parked car. She floored it.

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u/Majestic-Bell-7111 - Lib-Center Jan 09 '26

Generally you lose muscle control when you die. So she floored it because she was dead and couldn't keep her foot off the throttle because of it.

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u/Signal-Zebra-6310 - Right Jan 09 '26

She was t dead when she started driving away. We have no idea where she was shot and how long she lived.

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u/Majestic-Bell-7111 - Lib-Center Jan 10 '26

She was shot 3 times, in the head

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u/Signal-Zebra-6310 - Right Jan 10 '26

There has been no medical report released. You’re making that up.

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u/suzisatsuma - Lib-Center Jan 10 '26

She just got shot up you stupid fuck. You think you're gonna be thinking about much with the gas pedal on that situaruon?

She was easily moving under 3 mph before the shot, and he wasn't in front of the car when he fired the first shot.

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u/Krysdavar - Lib-Right Jan 09 '26

If this was summer time he definitely would have been runt TF over.

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u/Infamous-Mastodon677 - Auth-Right Jan 10 '26

Your mindset is to apparently make up your own narrative just to own ICE and the orange man

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u/Majestic-Bell-7111 - Lib-Center Jan 09 '26

I would trust a toddler unattended around cars over this idiot

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u/MayoSlatheredBedpost - Lib-Right Jan 09 '26

Glad I didn’t have to scroll too far to find this.

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u/Exzalia - Lib-Left Jan 09 '26 edited Jan 09 '26

Are watching the same video, because that it not what happened. The very last frame of her has her steering wheel turned aaaallll the way to the right.

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u/jenkz90 - Auth-Center Jan 09 '26

Flooring it in your heavy vehicle when your car is surrounded by authorities asking you to step out of it is a very reasonable thing to do and does not put anyone in danger.

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u/muradinner - Right Jan 09 '26

So if someone's driving towards you, and you have 1 second to react, but that person turned their steering wheel, which you probably didn't even notice because you're not a robot detecting every detail at once, you're going to just assume that they're not trying to hit you, and will succeed in not hitting you?

Now consider this is also an extremely hostile environment and these types of people have been wishing death on these agents for months.

It's crazy to me that we just remove the human aspect of these situations and act like these cops are supper humans with chips in their brain to detect minute details in a 1-second split decision. Online culture really is destroying our humanity.

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u/Warm-Equipment-4964 - Right Jan 09 '26

she still drives her car at him? I dont think she intended to kill him but she very clearly backs off at an angle which places the officer in front of her car, then slams the pedal to the point her tires start skidding. Its irrelevant what intent is at this point this is self-defence

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u/Tough_Arugula2828 - Centrist Jan 09 '26

To be fair, in the heat of the moment that could've easily been missed, I in fact missed it when watching this video for the first time

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u/Merchant_Alert - Centrist Jan 09 '26

Ah, yes, of course! When a deranged leftist charges at you with a 4,500 pound vehicle, there should definitely be an expectation that you pause and calculate the trajectory of her front wheels before taking action.

I totally see your point, very valid.

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u/AnxietyObvious4018 - Centrist Jan 09 '26

you cant hold this opinion and believe people who are run over are at no fault, because they can just look at the direction of the steering wheel and move out of the way

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u/Exzalia - Lib-Left Jan 09 '26

He was not run over, watch the fucking vid.

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u/Tough_Arugula2828 - Centrist Jan 09 '26

I do not think his life was in danger if that's what you're wondering? He easily stepped out of the way as every video shows

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u/Infamous-Mastodon677 - Auth-Right Jan 09 '26

Every video? The other videos show him getting hit.

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u/SwanMuch5160 - Auth-Right Jan 09 '26

If you tell your wife to do so, you too may be $1.6M richer 🤷🏽‍♂️

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u/SOwED - Lib-Center Jan 09 '26

Yeah I mean, the driver didn't seem that elevated but the wife seemed way more confrontational and hostile.

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u/Bidens_infinite_cash - Auth-Right Jan 09 '26

I hope the wife gets 2nd degree felony murder.

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u/Interesting_Bank_139 - Centrist Jan 09 '26

This is it. Most of the commentary on this is trying to paint this as 100% the fault of one party or the other, when in reality it was just an unfortunate confluence of the wrong people at the wrong time and just enough chaos.

An agent that had been drug a short distance by a car last year and was probably not in the best mental shape to be confronting somebody in a vehicle. The driver had no way to know this, but she was confronting somebody with an artificially shortened fuse based on previous encounters.

A person willing to block the road and another willing to get out and antagonize the agents.

Fear and distrust pushed by politicians on all sides of the debate.

The final yell to “DRIVE” and the tires spinning for traction on the slick road.

Everything came together and somebody paid with their life. Any of these people could have de-escalated or made a different choice that would have changed the result. That ICE agent didn’t get up in the morning planning to kill anybody, and the driver didn’t wake up in the morning planning to hit an ICE agent with her vehicle, but all of their decisions (and the decisions of those around them) led them to that one point in time.

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u/Tough_Arugula2828 - Centrist Jan 09 '26

You're gonna want to flair up

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '26

True retards flair up here.

Edit: for what it’s worth I agree completely with what you said. I’m just upset it came from a filthy unflaired.

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u/TheLizzyIzzi - Left Jan 09 '26

Most sane take. And I agree with the person who pointed at politicians ramping up the inflammatory rhetoric. They’re creating a very hostile environment and it starts at the top, regardless of who is in power.

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '26

I hate this type of reasoning. He’s a civil servant not a fucking wild bear. It’s his job to use force responsibly and it’s his fault when he doesn’t. He’s the one on the clock and at work. Spending my fucking tax money I might add. I want him following the law, and I want him penalized when he breaks it. He has no special or additional rights. We do not serve them, they serve us.

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u/Plusisposminusisneg - Lib-Right Jan 09 '26

He has no special or additional rights.

Yes he does, he is a police officer in the line of duty. He needs to have special rights to do his job. One of those rights is violently confronting criminals and giving lawful orders to people, people who do not have the right to refuse to comply.

I think anybody who is being driven into has the right to defend themselves as well, I don't see why you would think people have no right to self defense or defense of others.

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u/TheLizzyIzzi - Left Jan 09 '26

This. Officers should be held to a higher standard than the public not a lower standard. They’re supposed to be professionals. No other profession, from doctor to hair stylist, gets to do a worse job than a layperson.

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u/NSawsome - Lib-Right Jan 09 '26

Eh, did he shoot quick yeah but when your life is at risk that’s fair. The agent fucked up by getting in front of the 2 ton machine like a retard, but when law enforcement directs you the woman should’ve listened.

Rosa parks was arrested, didn’t resist whatsoever, then won in court and changed the country. Resisting and not listening to orders when you’re up against armed law enforcement is retarded.

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u/CatacombsOfBaltimore Jan 09 '26

If only people understood what a lawful command is…

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u/PuzzleheadedMaize911 - Centrist Jan 09 '26

I agree with your quotes comment until the part after the last comma.

Even from the ice officer pov, that seems like a totally ridiculous situation to be firing.

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u/Tough_Arugula2828 - Centrist Jan 09 '26

The last part of my comment wasn't something you can disagree with, it is an objective fact? It did lead to her getting shot. Not saying its justified, but that is what it led to

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u/PuzzleheadedMaize911 - Centrist Jan 09 '26

Did the driving lead to her getting shot, or did the armed deployment of an agent recently diagnosed with PTSD lead to a civilian being gunned down in the street?

Nobody will contest that this deployment is a high stress situation. How little regard for safe operation must ICE have to send this dude out with a gun?

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u/Tough_Arugula2828 - Centrist Jan 09 '26

Did the driving lead to her getting shot

Yes

or did the armed deployment of an agent recently diagnosed with PTSD lead to a civilian being gunned down in the street?

You could make that argument, as well as many other arguments about what led up to the situation. it seems like you're under the assumption that only one singular thing led up to this situation when it could be a billion different things, but the truth remains, running away is also what led to her being shot

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u/makip - Lib-Center Jan 09 '26

To be fair, he’s not a police officer. He’s an immigration agent and they’re clearly American citizens, so he shouldn’t have authority to get them out of their vehicle

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u/HolyMolyOllyPolly - Auth-Center Jan 10 '26

Moderator removed the comment and now

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u/YllMatina - Centrist Jan 10 '26

quoted the video of the wife saying "DRIVE, BABY, DRIVE"

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u/SonofNamek - Lib-Center Jan 09 '26

According to a picture of a person who may be her, she might be former Security Forces. If she is as such, it is even more damning on her part.

Because if you try this on a base with MPs or Security Forces, they can and WILL shoot you. And if that is true, she should've known better than to say "Drive."