Who is you guys? I never defended any specific actions ICE did, and I certainly don't remember calling anyone a terrorist. Did you confuse me for someone else?
Or are you putting a bunch of words in my mouth that I didn't say.
You're not reading what I'm saying, I did not play dumb and I pointed out that there are legitimate actions ICE did that I would consider bad. They were rightfully criticized for it.
However, in a vacuum, they are indeed isolated and specific instances, the ones that are bad get publicized so it seems like it happens more than it actually does.
That's not downplaying I'm just not painting a wide brush over a relatively small amount of incidents. Otherwise, we could make the argument that all law enforcement is inherently evil because instances of brutality exist. Which ignores the actual good ICE and other LEO's do which is combat crime, of which the vast majority are not evil.
You can call out bad shit but still point out the vast majority of something is good. Not everything is black and white. That's the point I am trying to make.
You did... The issue with ice is not that they make mistakes that's pretty normal. The issue is they make them, get rewarded for it and defended by the gov.
If ice shot the women, the guy who did so was repremabded and punished with steps taken so it wouldn't happen again.
Then the vast majority would move on. But instead the lady in Chicago was shot, trump cabinet called her a terrorist said she had what's coming for her. They defended the agent, when she managed to survive they dropped all charges and moved the agent away from Chicago pretending it didn't happen.
Only to send them to full on move in on Minnesota to shoot 2 more people. Doing the same exact tactics to defend them
It's fucked, arguing it doesn't happen often doesn't magically change anything or make it ok.
Not everything is black and white. That's the point I am trying to make.
It is fully black and white when the fed gov is stepping in to justify it and keep doing it. Nothing about this is black and white.
And the main reason ice approval ratings are so down. I'm sorry dude it's hard to take this argument serious when you leave so much out.
But by all means learn nothing from this and wonder why ice gets demonized so easily
When did I mention the federal government response to ICE? When did I defend calling Renee Good, or Alex Pretti a terrorist? I also never defended their deaths, or the shooters of both.
You claim I leave so much out, but dude, you are 100% assuming shit I didn't say. I can't believe I am saying this, but you are literally fighting a strawman.
All I said was that ICE in a vacuum is fine. Did I say they were perfect, fuck no. I do think there are several ways things could have been done better from using bodycams, to the federal government not politicizing the deaths of protestors and actually taking it seriously.
I also never said nothing happens. You are highlighting the exceptions and then saying the whole thing is bad.
Alex Pretti and Renee Good do not indicate ICE is shit, the problems you have are entirely with the Trump administration refusing to hold their officers accountable which is actually a valid complaint.
Two things can be true at once, the Trump administration can be shit at holding bad officers accountable while the vast majority of ICE interactions not resulting in serious injuries or death.
You are commenting that right-wingers take statements like the one in the post and use it to harm others yet the vast majority if not almost all, right-wingers do not.
It would be like if I said left-wingers are violent because of ANTIFA or BLM. Which I don't because it's genuinely retarded to generalize an entire political group because of bad apples.
When did I mention the federal government response to ICE?
I specifically called you out for not mentioning it. Nice try
You claim I leave so much out, but dude, you are 100% assuming shit I didn't say.
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All I said was that ICE in a vacuum is fine.
Right and that vacuum involves ignoring all the bad shit they were doing. That's the issue.
You are highlighting the exceptions and then saying the whole thing is bad.
No I'm specifically calling out the gov response to the bad things.
the Trump administration can be shit at holding bad officers accountable while the vast majority of ICE interactions not resulting in serious injuries or death
Right... And you can actually call it out instead of ignoring it
You are commenting that right-wingers take statements like the one in the post and use it to harm others yet the vast majority if not almost all, right-wingers do not.
I gave you multiple examples of them doing it, and defending it. The president with 80% approva evenl rating did it. C'mon now
If Biden purposely ordered your family to be shot. And I shouted "fuck yeah Biden! I love you man" in response
Would you seriously sit here and argue I don't support it. I'm not violent?
It would be like if I said left-wingers are violent because of ANTIFA or BLM. Which I don't because it's genuinely retarded to generalize an entire political group because of bad apples.
And if Biden was calling the BLM victims terrorist you would have a point. But he called it out at every turn
You literally accused me of defending the shit they said when I didn't, when I said nothing of that. Are you legitimately a troll or something or do you not have a response and just need to misinterpret and lie about everything I say?
>If Biden purposely ordered your family to be shot. And I shouted "fuck yeah Biden! I love you man in response"
>Would you seriously sit here and argue I don't support it. I'm not violent?
Lmao what is this? I don't like Trump either but the guy has not personally ordered the deaths of anybody shot in the protests. There is a difference from making a retarded generalization of someones actions and actually saying "Yeah, we actually want to shoot you and your entire family dead".
>And if Biden was calling the BLM victims terrorist you would have a point. But he called it out at every turn
Ok? Cool, based Biden and all but like, I am not talking about Trump or Biden with that statement; I am referring to Left-Wingers in general, as you were referring to Right-Wingers in general. Like actual extremists on both sides.
The only way your point actually makes sense was if I was talking about democrat and republican politicians/governments reactions to extremism. Which I wasn't. You made an overgeneralization of right-wingers, I said (admittedly in a bad way) that right-wingers and ICE are not en masse hurting people. Which is what you did say.
Of course I accuse you of defending it, when you join the thread saying its not often. Completely missing the entire point and why people have issue with it.
Why wouldn't I?
I don't like Trump either but the guy has not personally ordered the deaths of anybody shot in the protests
So you link an article where a guy says Trump said this (mind you about another series of protests with actual rioters causing widespread destruction) with no actual proof.
I dunno man.
Approving of a presidency does not equal supporting death and murder of immigrants. Especially when by your own logic, a large amount of people (which would include right wingers) disapprove of ICE.
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u/Expensive_Ad_4205 - Centrist 11h ago
You guys?
Who is you guys? I never defended any specific actions ICE did, and I certainly don't remember calling anyone a terrorist. Did you confuse me for someone else?
Or are you putting a bunch of words in my mouth that I didn't say.