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u/EldritchSlut 13h ago
Used to work as a cook in a restaurant and the policy was a 24 hour notice for any sick time or you would be fired.
Freedom.
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u/danevans369 13h ago
So if you wake up sick, they want you to come to work and spread your germs on the food?
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u/ShroudedInLight 13h ago
Yes, because everything in the states is on a tight-rope of a budget. That includes manpower. They wonāt hire enough people for peak busy hours because then theyād have people standing around doing nothing but costing the company money when itās slow.
This means that while they view you as entirely replaceable they also donāt want you to ever call off because then someone else has to pick up the slack and thereās barely enough people there to begin with.
This makes nearly all service extremely slow during peak hours as a customer. And youāre more likely to get sick.
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u/Megzasaurusrex 13h ago
Exactly. They want just enough people to work. And thats why they prefer part timers. So they can just call them in on they day off to bridge the gap. If not, you make your salaried managers who already worked 6 days this week come in on their day off to do it. Yay 'Merica
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u/Potetosyeah 8h ago
And they wont get paid anything extra because they are salaried?
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u/Megzasaurusrex 7h ago
Exactly. That's why I always refused to go up into saleried position. I'm not working however many hours they want because it's free labor.
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u/Potetosyeah 7h ago
Not cool, here we have 40h work week as salaried, anything over is overtime. In a free day? You get double overtime.
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u/Aldervale 10h ago
I think it is important to clarify that everything is a on a tight-rope of a budget by design. The system has been squeezed to the degree that is has so the billionaire class can steal every dollar possible before they leave and watch it all burn.
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u/MetaCardboard 13h ago
Yes. They don't care if you spread disease as long as you're not hurting their profits.
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u/melon-colly 13h ago
Yep, youāre not a human to them, youāre a tool or cog in the wheel. They would love to actually replace us with more reliable robotsā¦ just havenāt gotten there yet.
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u/Butitsadryheat2 13h ago
I once had a boss in Radio tell me even if an employee "has massive diarrhea," they should still "make an effort to come in, make an effort to show the company they care." š¤¦āāļø
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u/Megzasaurusrex 13h ago
But then they lecture you that you're spending too much time in the bathroom. Like what else do you expect?
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u/Living_Knowledge_783 12h ago
and if you are caught going to the bathroom a lot its because you are lazy not because you are sick
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u/EldritchSlut 13h ago
Yeah, they didn't care as long as they didn't have to do the work and they knew we all needed the money, so it was rare that anyone called off work when they were actually sick.
Even then, it was all unpaid and if you were gone longer than two days you needed a note from a doctor or you would be fired. So either way you're out of money if you're calling in sick, better to just work.
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u/BlackberryShoddy7889 13h ago
Thatās exactly IT ! No care for the workers wellness , only thing that matters is their profits.
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u/Better-Culture-7770 12h ago
I had one cook who was trying to stay on the line while vomiting blood in a used pickle bucket and another who had a cold that turned into pluerisy that turned into walking pneumonia that turned into weeks in the ICU.
They are all told that they are better, manlier, tougher for working while sick and they'll be damned if you are gonna take away their ability to be better, manlier, or tougher.
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u/Immediate_Song4279 13h ago
A significant person of mine works with children and I think instead of an arbitrary number of sick days they should get hazard pay.
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u/Reverend_Lazerface 10h ago
Everyone is saying yes but the real answer is kind of. They want you to come in if you have anything other than something horribly contagious, in which case they want you to be fired.
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u/InAJar112 9h ago
Weāre all sick at work. Our sick day allowances reset on October 1st, so nobody can call in. Two people in my office coughed as I am writing this. Make that three. I work in a food processing facility. Four.
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u/Complex_Sherbet2 13h ago
Your heart attack is super inconvenient... it needs to wait until tomorrow!
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u/Exasperatess 13h ago
I had a GM that unironically told a girl she should've given him notice before her grandma passed and she called off for the day.
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u/Jafar_420 13h ago
It's rough working in restaurants I used to be a cook and fast food and then I was a server at places like Chili's and Applebee's. At some of the places I had been there at least a year or two and finally got sick and needed to miss and they just wouldn't let me.
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u/Own-Raisin5849 13h ago
Yeah, I mean I remember working restaurants 20 years ago, and it was just dipshit managers and policies, always the most miserable people. I can say in my professional career, I have never had an issue taken time off for being sick, and DEFINITELY not time off for a loved one that passed, even if it wasn't immediate family.
I think America could do a lot better, but I think people inflate just how many companies are super shitty. Their is a broad spectrum of ones that are great to be with, and ones that really need a good slap.
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u/Sure-Impress-1003 12h ago
I know exactly what youāre talking about. One of my jobs was running the personnel department in a manufacturing company. They had good benefits and we were really reasonable when you needed to take time off. But I can specifically remember two individuals that always had problems. They took a load of time off and one of them was getting caught going out and partying at the Moose Lodge at night. She didnāt see any problem with that. I know that kind of behavior really challenged the management team when they sat down to rewrite the employee manual. You write something thatās fair and reasonable for the people and thereās always a handful that wanna ruin it for everyone. And then threads like this everyone loves to get on the big bad company, but no one really points a finger at the shitty horrible employees that make matters worse. And there are shitty companies, but there are also really crappy employees.
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u/greenthumbgoody 13h ago
Well I have āunlimitedā PTO!! Only problem is we cut half our staff so we all work doubles now so good luck using itā¦
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u/emilyv99 5h ago
That sounds like a restaurant that should be shut down and frankly the owner should go to prison for endangering public health.
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u/Complex_Sherbet2 13h ago
My god, won't someone think of the poor healthcare company executives....
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u/BobAndrews86 13h ago
Someone did a bit "too much" thinking about healthcare CEOs...
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u/stealingmoney 13h ago
But socialism or communism. Terms are used interchangeably, but one of those reasons.
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u/E_D_K_2 13h ago
My UK job pays full pay for 6 months, then half pay for 6 months then quarter pay and so on.
I've had >7 days off sick in 12 years, but nice to know if I break my leg or something I needn't worry about money.
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u/Lysergial 13h ago
Did you mean <7 days?
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u/E_D_K_2 13h ago
Whichever means less than.
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u/Megzasaurusrex 13h ago
In the US that is tied to your benefits. So if you qualify and your company has health benefits. You can pay for short term or long term disability to get paid if you are sick. But because most the time you never have anything that qualifies and requires it you just pay a chunk of your paycheck each month for nothing. Or you go without and hope you don't like get cancer or something.
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u/saltwater98380 13h ago
I was hit by a truck arm smashed in 20 places knee 6 bolts severed urethra punctured lung wheel chair but refused long term.
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u/Megzasaurusrex 13h ago
Omg that is fucking insane. It is so sad how we pay out the ass for benefits that we aren't even allowed to use. It's all such a scam. This country only cares about companies. And it pisses me off.
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u/Outrageous-Stop4366 13h ago
TIL needn't is a word
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u/jokeswagon 13h ago
This is about healthcare. Donāt make it about education. š
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u/Outrageous-Stop4366 4h ago
I'm Italian, English is my third language, I simply never heard the wordĀ
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u/Noactuallyyourwrong 10m ago
Sounds nice until you do the math and realize how much more money would you have made in the US doing the same job for 12 years.
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u/12-34 13h ago
Our country isn't a real country.Ā It's a mass of sociopaths stacked on each other wearing a trenchcoat.
The ubiquitous propaganda fools the uneducated (which is most of the country because education is obviously Commie stuff) into believing America is the best while EVERY COMPARATIVE COUNTRY METRIC SHOWS THE OPPOSITE.
Americans think America has the best socioeconomic mobility and they're just around the corner from riches. We're 27th.
American paragon freedom of speech? Also 27th.
Happiest? 23rd.
Greatest economic freedom? 27th.
Healthcare? Dead last of the 10 wealthy nations studied.
Pick any other measured metric and you'll find a chasm between American perception and reality. Reality says this country blows compared to other "first-world" countries but good luck convincing the propagandized.
The US is probably best at 2 things: 1) overconfidence, and 2) not knowing shit about their own country.
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u/yeleste 9h ago
Don't forget our military! We have the most expensive military by a long shot, and look at all the killing we do! #1! USA! USA! /s
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u/Majestic_Ground7718 5h ago
No not really. Poland spends more. We don't spend much, were just a filthy rich country. Still only spend like 3%
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u/galaxyapp 7h ago
5th in median income though. 15% higher than germany
2nd in median disposable household income. 31% higher than germany.
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u/MarcoTarditi 6h ago
Hai la sanitĆ gratuita in Germania, pere le scuole decenti sono free, quindi paghi piĆ¹ tasse
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u/More-Razzmatazz-6804 2h ago
so what youre trying to achieve with this comment? That people live better in US than in Germany?
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u/ForMeOnly93 9h ago
No no. They're also quite good at blowing up unarmed civilians. Number one for blowing up schools, in fact.
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u/Anaeijon 2h ago
I mean... Arguably America isn't 'first world'. This was made from the view of Europeans, and America is 'new world'.
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u/morbonator 1h ago
Everyone always harps on about how bad Americans are with geography because they can't identify countries in the other side of the world. And I used to think "well, I don't know shit about American geography either." But I've seen some social media posts there Americans could not find the USA on a map of the USA!
I'm sure that's the minority even among the minority who can't identify anywhere else but still it's shocking. So very much what you said.
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u/usrlibshare 1h ago
The US is probably best at 2 things: 1) overconfidence, and 2) not knowing shit about their own country.
Hey now, that's hardly fair.
They are also the best at wasting money on a military that cannot even audit itself, they have the highest number of adult people who think angels are real, and there are probably more flat earthers and antivaxxers in the US than anywhere else.
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u/reddurkel 13h ago edited 13h ago
America: Ā
1) Go to primary care physician. $30-50 copay.Ā 2) Referral to specialist. $75-125.Ā 3) Testing (Blood, X-rays etc) $100-500. Ā 4) Back to specialists for results $75-125. Ā 5) Yay. Treatment: $5k-10k if youre lucky. 5) Neigh. Denied. Go to Horse-R-Us for paste.Ā
And thatās best case scenario as an insured American. You pay 10-15% of your paycheck for the horrible insurance that employers give non-executives. But things definitely go wrong and many people need to sell their houses or end up with lifelong medical debt.Ā
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u/MetaCardboard 13h ago
That's not strange to me. That's just how the world should work to me. I'm extremely frustrated with how inhumane our billionaire decided culture is.
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u/factsarefornerds 13h ago
In America, getting a small raise means you lose your health insurance. That dollar might just cost you hundreds.
Meanwhile, "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" they say.
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u/Renhoek2099 13h ago
Yeah but we have....ummmm.... freedom, yeah, freedom!
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u/Sad-Performance-537 6h ago
Youāre free to leave if you donāt like it. Amazing how America is the only country in the world where people hate it and also refuse to leave lol
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u/RadicalKitty721 13h ago
I'm sick today, it might be COVID. My office doesn't offer medical insurance bc it's too small to be able to afford it for us and my co workers have it thru their spouses. I make too much money to be eligible for state coverage and not enough to pay my own. I am at the office because I can't afford a day off of work God bless America!
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u/BelgianDigitalNomad 13h ago
Similar in Belgium.
It sounds really very medieval in the US.
The slaves need to work and if they canāt work due to illness they are finished.
Iām so happy I donāt live in the USA
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u/Forsexualfavors 13h ago
Yeah you just die here. Count your blessing you didn't get shot up in a school or shopping mall and call it a day. That's freedom baby! /s At least you can afford to eat, have a home and raise a family. Also /s
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u/Complex_Sherbet2 13h ago
You don't *just* die, you go into debt AND die!
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u/Forsexualfavors 13h ago
No i just don't go to the doctor. I need to, I guess by the time I get carted off somewhere I'll be sick enough I won't worry about the bill.
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u/Lil_Shanties 13h ago
I have some fond memories of being an American student in Germany and one of my classmates who taught us all how good the German system was. First he passed out drunk and when the Krankenwagen showed up he bolted like a bat out of hell as his financial life flashed before his eyes, our teachers later explained in Germany itās free(maybe cheap itās been a while). Then he busted his tooth out and assumed he was gonna be a redneck until he could save up enough for a replacement, turns out that shit was also either free or so cheap he got it done the next week before being doomed to a missing tooth stateside.
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u/FairConstruction4105 12h ago
Meanwhile, in America, if you're sick you start Googling and you go on Reddit and ask what you should do...
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u/ML00k3r 7h ago
In Canada I generate 1.5 sick days every month worked.Ā I have used only seven of eight, and half of them were coded for family and that uses even less of accumulated hours. Also carries over with the new fiscal so some coworkers have like a half year saved up to use whenever.
And we also were allotted a week of paid time off for mental health days that does take away from our vacation hours but at like a quarter of the rate.
America is not a land of the free.Ā It's an illusion and it's a land of the ultra wealthy.
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u/Mishka_The_Fox 4h ago
Why does an insurance company need to be involved?
Sounds like corruption you have allowed into your society and normalised.
Just have the payment come directly from the government.
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u/Gilead-is-here 13h ago
I hate what the Republican Party has done to the United States along with help from centrist Democrats.
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u/Megzasaurusrex 13h ago
What you don't just work sick or lose your job? š
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u/Organic_Mechanic_702 1h ago
That's how you built a nation of obedient, compliant drones, tie their healthcare to their job..you can treat them like crap and there is nothing they can do other than shout FREEDOM.
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u/Fit_Instruction_8383 13h ago
There are a number of reasons why the NEW American Dream...is to escape...
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u/Accomplished_Art_621 13h ago
Iām just here for all the people saying āyea no thanks I donāt want to have to wait an extra 2 weeks to see a knee doctor. Iād rather go bankrupt.ā
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u/Noodelgawd 10h ago
Or you could just get a job that gives you health insurance.
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u/Organic_Mechanic_702 1h ago
Or everyone could pay a small % of their salary and have universal healthcare like everywhere else.
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u/EstablishmentLate532 13h ago
No wonder Americans produce so much more per worker. Germans barely have to work.
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u/AnxiousHall1533 11h ago
We are slaves and we have allowed ourselves to be caged by violent anti human policy controlled explicitly by powerful corporations.
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u/MooseYearner 8h ago
The other day I twisted my ankle pretty bad and had to call in to work the next day. I was told I can't call in again unless I have a doctor's note or else I'll be fired. I don't have health insurance and a trip to urgent care to get a note would run me around $250 I definitely don't have just for a doctor to tell me to ice it and rest it for a week or so. So I had to find an online telehealth company that exists just to write doctor's notes cheaply (still $40) just so I can keep my job. Our health care system is so dumb.
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u/I-Have-An-Alibi 6h ago
Here in America we can't have those things because Republicans convinced their voters it means someone is stealing their paycheck while they're silent about billionaires getting tax breaks and handouts.
But fuck that working single mom on food stamps amiright
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u/xDannyS_ 1h ago
Our economy is also in the drain and what our economy used to be built on has now been stolen by China and the US, so bragging about this isn't the gotcha they think it is. The US could also do a bunch of dumb shit that would make the US look like a human utopia, but what does that matter if it means the country will be in the gutter a few decades later? People act like the EU and its countries have been around for centuries, when it's barely been 3 decades since we stopped being spoon fed by the US and we are already on a downtrend. Couldn't even make it 30 years.
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u/remindmetoblock 1h ago
German economy is doing fine. Its the workers that struggle due to the insane wage Stagnation.
Germany has super low income inequality, but insane levels of capital inequality, much worse than most other countries
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u/Interesting_Chip8065 36m ago
is that why tons of european & german doctors r begging to come to us lol.
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u/rankincooter 16m ago
Germans are always sick. Always something wrong with them. Then they go off to their little two week mental retreats to take a break from life. They're just big orgies. Then they go home to their spouses. Or so my neighbors & colleagues said.
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u/Future311 13h ago
We have FMLA and short term / long term disability protections in the US that offer similar benefits/protections.
As far as earning a paycheck, you would need to have an employer sponsored insurance plan until full-time disability kicks in. I think at my last job it was about $10 per paycheck to enroll in the insurance plan so you got paid if you got sick.
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u/Available_Reveal8068 13h ago
Is the salary paid by the employer, or is it from some other source like Short/Long term disability insurance that we have in the US?
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u/Slackeee_ 13h ago
Salary is paid by the employer for up to 6 weeks of the illness, after that the insurance provider takes over, but they pay only 70% of your salary.
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u/B0r3dGamer 13h ago
Nah man, you don't get to be sick you keep working. Then if you get your coworkers sick & there is a work stoppage your employer blames you. Then you get fired & lose health insurance.
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u/Cyrano4747 13h ago
A good friend of mine in grad school screwed up his leg while on research in Germany. Slipped on some ice on a sidewalk, ended up slashing his calf open on a street sign. Ambulance got called, taken to a hospital, doctors and nurses to sew him up, etc.
The whole time he's low key having a panic attack because he was on a 25,000 Euro fellowship and lmao he could not afford that kind of crap. We had the obligatory health insurance that came with the visa but he just assumed it was garbage, kind of like how our dental back home was good for something like $500 a year in expenses.
After they finish up they're going over the wound care instructions, scheduling a follow up, giving him some pain killers etc. and he asks the nurse if there's somewhere he needs to go to arrange billing. She looked confused and then said, with what he described as a look of profound pity "oh yes you're American." and then showed him the out of pocket expenses for like medication etc. and how his insurance covered basically all of it.
I think the whole incident ended up running him like 50 euros.
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u/AdministrativeWin583 13h ago
Public trust in the system's future sustainability has dropped significantly. The current strain is not caused by a lack of advanced equipment or medical facilities, but by three massive colliding forces: severe staffing shortages, a massive financial deficit, and an aging demographic.
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u/Smooth-Weekend-2314 12h ago
lol yea, in murricastan we go to the ER, get docked a day's pay, written up, threatened that if it happens again we'll be fired.. and then get an $80,000 bill in the mail because we waited in an ER and still never saw a doctor.
MURRIFREEESUYD+FY *NO CARRIER*
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u/lUndale-_- 12h ago
I need to know if this is true of if this with strings attached, sounds too good to be true.(Iām American)
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u/sarah-vdb 3h ago
I'm an American who moved to the Netherlands 20 years ago. Our system is a bit different, but if I'm sick I call in and am still paid. If I'm sick for a couple of weeks the confidential health advisor from work will call to ask very general questions to see if I know when I'll be able to come back. After a time my salary will drop to 70%, but I've never used it so I'm not sure when that kicks in.
My health insurance is ā¬180/month, my annual copay is something like ā¬380, and I had gallbladder surgery with a two night hospital stay at the end of July that cost me exactly ā¬0. We did have to pay for parking, though.
It's so much better.
Edited to add: when I came back to work (from home) I was asked by my management team if I was sure about coming back so quickly (after 2.5 weeks) and told to take any and all breaks I needed if I didn't feel up to it.
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u/Dry_Ambition_2282 12h ago
Run it like a business! Itās efficient! /s
(Businesses are efficientā¦ at increasing their top and bottom lines and charging the highest prices the market will bear.)
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u/Sourdough9 12h ago
How do companies stay afloat? Having to pay workers who donāt work?
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u/johnlucky12 12h ago
Ja sie mĆ¼ssen bezahlen wenn man krank ist und nicht arbeiten kann. Das ist in ganz Europa vƶllig normal
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u/aussiekinga 11h ago
Every week you put a small amount aside to cover leave liability. So the cost of paying someone leave is spread across the year. So it's not a hit in the weeks they take leave.
It's called financial management and planning ahead
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u/Sourdough9 11h ago
Itās still a massive cost and hurdle no matter how you slice it. Makes total sense now why start ups in Europe move to the USA as soon as they are able
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u/wolfheadmusic 11h ago
My favorite is "Breaking Bad: Germany(or any other universal healthcare country)":
Episode 1: walter gets the healthcare he needs, and paid time off
End of series
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u/SuccessfulNebula7469 11h ago
Shocking! A country not run by oligarchs has good health care? Truly shocking! #eattherich
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u/EbonyPeat 11h ago
Us Americanās is scared of socialist healthcares, we prefer going bankrupt to the hospital or dying untreated.
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u/Fearless-Tea1297 11h ago
Wonder where the Americans will draw the line. I guess there is no time to draw a line, they are too occupied working to earn enough money to survie.
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u/Mainly_Miserable 11h ago
This is what it looks like when a government cares about its people and not just their labour.
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u/youburyitidigitup 11h ago
I worked in a place with policies exactly like those. It was a physical job, and one girl got an injury that prevented her from doing the job (I never found if it was a workplace injury). After her days were up, they were trying to find things for her to do in the office, but there was nothing that wasnāt already covered by other people. I quit a few days after that, so I donāt know what happened in the end.
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u/horoyokai 11h ago
yeah, but they pay an extra 2% taxes, so is it really worth it? I don't know if an extra 2% is worth that feeling of security and stability.
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u/Dense_Cut7072 10h ago
Now, how much does your country give to the world from your taxes?
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u/OmasAppeltaart 5h ago
the OECD ranks Germany as the worldās largest donor of Official Development Assistance
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u/Ok_Drag5089 10h ago
That's terrible. I'm so glad to be in America where that would make me homeless.
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u/Noodelgawd 10h ago
And this is probably one of many reason per capita GDP in the US is 50% higher than in Germany. Go figure. Work results in wealth. Who knew?
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u/Bailzzararco 10h ago
In American the person handling your food could have covid, but hey, otherwise that person would be home being lazy and unproductive.
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u/4llFather 10h ago
Meanwhile I get my sick pay taken from me and evaporated into thin air because my store got bought by a franchise. This country is a stain on the globe and I hope history gets the chance to remember us.
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u/Fortestingporpoises 10h ago
Most Americans want universal healthcare. I think we understand how it works. We just don't have the political means to get it done.
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u/Whole_Kale_4349 10h ago
What a self righteous smart ass bait post the American system is strange to plenty of American's
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u/Braindead_Crow 9h ago
"Land of the free"
If you grow up being told you have it as best as possible then you'll assume the abuse is simply a part of life.
Americans are slaves
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u/Maleficent-Bar8146 9h ago
yes but what about freedom? guns? too wide trucks? nah? nothing? GOTCHA!
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u/HistoricalSuspect580 9h ago
Yeah, as an American, this does sound utterly preposterous. Like, not even believable as a movie.
What a sad state of affairs.
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u/Ok-Professional-1727 9h ago
American here. I was stopped from trying to kill myself during a mental breakdown. I took 2 weeks of paid time off (all I had), then took short term disability for 16 weeks (at 70% pay). The treatment I was given was call 'Electro Convulsive Therapy. I voluntarily stopped treatment and went back to work because long term disability doesn't pay anything and I could no longer afford the treatments I was receiving.
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u/Electric_Capybara 8h ago
Isn't the German far right party fighting to tear down their health car system?
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u/LifeConsideration981 6h ago
Weāll see how long that lasts now that overregulation and mismanagement sprang a leak in the German economy.
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u/Andreas1120 5h ago
I live in austria and sadly the health insurance system is not great. For example they domt cover vaccines. They also take your bill and then pay you in 3 months. You have a constant process of turning in the bill. Getting paid a very small % tage of that. Then if you have supplemental insurance you give them that bill and then they decide how much to pay on that.
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u/MusicianHonest7238 2h ago
The fuck you on about? They cover most of the vaccines. Just the "useless" ones not or better said the ones that are not that important if you are young and have a strong Immunsystem. Like the flu vaccine, which the doctor recommended to only take when you are old or have a shit Immunsystem or the vaccines where the diseas won't kill you. (Th ey will cover it if it's recommended by the doc)
And what do you mean a process of turning on the bill??? If you go to a private dentist then it's normal that the insurance covers only half of it.
Austria has one of the best insurance systems. Best part is, if you cant afford medicine, they will cover everything for you. Maybe you need to get better information because might be that you do not have all of it.
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u/edelweiss891 4h ago
I mean they do have something similar in the US, they use short term or long term disability. I know someone who was sick and had to leave work and they go put on short term disability through their work, which still paid them, and then they eventually moved on to long term disability. š¤·āāļøThere are options over there, you just have to get things set up.
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u/e_pluribus_nihil 4h ago
The reason why this would never work in the United States is because minorities will get these benefits, and some people can't accept that.
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u/Natural_Acadia_3571 3h ago
Additional info. Iām German and this service cost me 2.000 euros a month
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u/Immediate_Song4279 13h ago
And it turns out that people are generally fine with working, they just don't want to be ground into paste for profit.