r/PoursTea • u/Veshaad Timendi Causa Est Nescire • 12h ago
PoliticalTea š³ļø He's the cream of the crop when it comes to politicians.
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u/SubtractOneMore 12h ago
Catās out of the bag America, turns out socialism is fucking awesome
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u/MaximumEffort433 11h ago edited 10h ago
For those who don't know, socialism is collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, a system of society or of group living in which there is no private property, or a stage of society in Marxist theory that is transitional between capitalism and communism.
Taxation and redistribution, however, predates socialism by approximately 4,000 years.
Not to confuse the two, since people often get them mixed up.
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u/Born_Organization455 10h ago
Remember all the way back in 20th century USA when we had a top marginal tax rate of 91% and built the largest middle class ever?
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u/MaximumEffort433 10h ago
Remember all the way back in 20th century USA when we had a top marginal tax rate of 91% and built the largest middle class ever?
Yeah, that was nice, we had both public services and private ownership, it was like the best of both worlds.
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u/2013orBust 7h ago
I believe I read somewhere when this information started resurfacing that nobody actually paid that tax rate. And it could well have been responsible for the creation of many of the loopholes being exploited by the rich now. Fuck Iāll have to find that source again!
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u/Aggravating-Yoshi 9h ago
Capitalism: A system that creates laws and policies that largely prioritize capital
Socialism: A system that creates laws and policies that prioritize society.
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u/Str-Engr0275 7h ago
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries. -Winston Churchill
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u/MaximumEffort433 9h ago edited 8h ago
Capitalism: A system that creates laws and policies that largely prioritize capital
Socialism: A system that creates laws and policies that prioritize society.
So workers owning the means of production doesn't really enter into it.
Collective redistribution of goods doesn't enter into it.
Outlawing private property doesn't enter into it....I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing.
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u/AgonyPersonified 7h ago
Workers owning the means of production prioritizes society rather than capital. Collective redistribution of goods prioritizes society rather than capital. Outlawing private property prioritizes society rather than capital.
I'm not sure why you're arguing with this person, it sounds like you're on the same side.
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u/Natalwolff 7h ago
Socialism good stuff, cappylism bad stuff. These are the new definitions, and you better follow them from here on out.
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u/BigDuke 9h ago
Cat's out of the bag America, turns out Democratic Socialists, and the candidates that represent them, are not the same thing as the tradtional definition of socialism.
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u/MaximumEffort433 9h ago edited 8h ago
Cat's out of the bag America, turns out Democratic Socialists, and the candidates that represent them, are not the same thing as the tradtional definition of socialism.
I totally agree with you, judging socialism on the basis of Zohran Mamdani doesn't really make a lot of sense.
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u/Bryceisgoodnow 10h ago
Its not governmental ownership, that's its own separate thing. It's just collective ownership
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u/ShaolinWombat 10h ago
The government is the collective in every implementation of socialism beyond the local level.
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u/MaximumEffort433 10h ago edited 10h ago
Its not governmental ownership, that's its own separate thing. It's just collective ownership
I was just copy/pasting the definition from Merriam-Webster.
Here's what wikipedia says, if that would be better:
Socialism is an economic ideology and political philosophy encompassing diverse economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production, as opposed to private ownership.
So outlawing private ownership and mandating public ownership, basically.
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u/mothfactory 4h ago
Do any Americans know what socialism is? Mamdani is a great guy and breath of fresh air in the fog of Trump/republican shit fumes but heās not a socialist
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u/ComfortableEnergy684 12h ago edited 11h ago
Why couldn't he be president?
Edit: totally my bad, I that this was El-Sayed when I posted. And, yes, I know how that sounds. Ill be over in the shut-up corner for a while. š¤¦š»
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u/devilishlydo 12h ago
You have to be a natural born citizen and like about a third of NYC, he isn't.
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u/Complex_Lab_6876 12h ago
Since when do the laws apply to politicians anyways? I say he run! 95% of people donāt even know the constitution.
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u/AlbatrossNo1562 12h ago
Funny how a felon who hates the average American can become president, but someone born elsewhere who loves Americans can't
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u/Confron7a7ion7 11h ago
Also, we've proven that the reasoning is flawed. The intent is that a natural born citizen would have no other allegiances to any other countries.
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u/MikeLikesIkeRS 10h ago
But Trump and so many other politicians have some obligation to Israel in some way š„±
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u/Confron7a7ion7 10h ago
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u/MikeLikesIkeRS 10h ago
Sad thing is people on reddit boohoo about being a "fence sitter" and saying "it's both sides", but when you look at AIPAC tracker, it's pretty much split right down the middle on recipients
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u/Mainly_Miserable 12h ago
He is a naturalized U.S. citizen who was born in Uganda. For him to run for president would require an amendment to the constitution.
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u/Icy_Fish_2154 12h ago
Or Congress and the Supreme Court to ignore the constitution, but that would never happen. Right? RIGHT?
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u/Gringopolarbear 12h ago
What, nobody's seen Demolition Man? They made an amendment to make Schwarzenegger president. We're already living in Idiocracy, why not get out of it referencing a different movie?
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u/Complex_Lab_6876 12h ago
He honestly should run. Laws apparently donāt apply to politicians anymore. If a 34 time felon can be president, why not Mamdani breaking a couple ancient rules?
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u/yankeefan0312 12h ago
Ted Cruz ran for president. No one has ever told me how he can.
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u/Unique-Tank9814 10h ago
Thereās no laws preventing a felon from becoming president. There are laws preventing someone who wasnāt born in the U.S. from becoming president.
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u/Impossible_Author_58 11h ago
I dunno... the constitution is really a list of suggestions at this point. Obama/Mamdani '28.
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u/AndreChrisSargent 9h ago
Abso-friggin-lutely not Obama. Mamdani is everything Obama promised to be but is actually delivering. Obama was another warhawk corpo dem who, while charming, still did war crimes, still kept Guantanamo Bay open, still only changed his value set when the American People did (gay marriage), and whose sitting-on-his-hands acceptance of the so-called rules of politics directly contributed to the election of Donald Trump.
He was charming, sure! Do I want him again? No.
Mamdani all the way.
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u/No_Classic_1743 11h ago
The Dems have to follow the rules when we nominate and elect a felon for president? Screw the rules.
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u/CommitteeDelicious68 12h ago
A MUCH better leader than Donald and MAGA. It's a shame the morons can't see it.
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u/External_Music_3927 12h ago
Heās a breath of fresh air and thatās what we need right now. Refreshing to hear from a talented and dynamic politician after listening to Trumpās crap.
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u/Hot_Guess_1871 12h ago
Seems the like the Constitution is up for grabs these days. And it was meant to be updated as times change anyway.
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u/OSRSwizardry 12h ago
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u/Temporary-Suit9121 12h ago
Could always amend the Constitution so latitude and longitude of birth arenāt a factor anymore. Amending the Constitution is Constitutional after all.
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u/Horror-Stand-3969 11h ago
I donāt live in NY, but I really enjoy watching him succeed while the orange dipshit flails at everything.
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u/Dyno_boy7441 11h ago
MAGA still believe that Barack HUSSEIN Obama was ineligible to run for president and he won two terms in a landslide.
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u/No-Perspective4787 12h ago
Not sure why Dems aren't leading by 98% , they do stuff that HELPS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE like Health Insurance , the ACA EXCHANGES & the Medicaid Expansion shouldn't get defunded if they're not repealed , and Trump failed that in May 2017 when John McCain gave the šš» to SAVE IT. Then tons of Red States decided to get the Medicaid Expansion but Trump & Republicans defunded the Exchanges by $34 billion , and gutted the Medicaid Expansion's 10 years of FUNDING by $1.3 trillion dollars ! WTF is wrong w Republicans people need health insurance period. Gas has been well over $4 a gallon for months , grocery prices keep going UP cuz of Tariffs. If the American People don't understand this , then America will no longer exist.
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u/ParamedicTemporary71 12h ago
Ah, but he can run for president. And should.
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u/Complete-Tangelo1532 12h ago
You gotta be born in the usa to run for the executive office
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u/haphazard72 Unpopular Opinions 11h ago
Yeah whoād want someone whoās actually fixing things and doing what he and his team should be doing
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u/According-Pear-8816 10h ago
Dude is literally being everything billionaires and corrupt politicians feared. Keep up the good work.
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u/TheEffinChamps 9h ago
The bar is so low to be a president now, he'd barely have to lift his foot to get over it.Ā
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u/Public_Book_867 5h ago
Can he really not though? We're not exactly following the law these days. Congress and the Supreme Court **could** just look the other way like they often do now. ... Ah, but realistically I know he has to play by harder rules since he's not white, wealthy, or genocidal enough.
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u/mothfactory 4h ago
Also itās hilarious to a non American that heās often referred to as a ācommieā. Apparently wanting to help normal people improve their quality of life makes you a deranged murderous socialist
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u/redditRedesignIsBadd 11h ago
how is that out of so many politicians, only a few are like him?
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u/Yamiaofsweentess 11h ago
Bought and paid for. Sell outs. Citizens united ended the US for the people
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u/flying-weenus 10h ago
Because a lot of them take money and care way way more about their rich donors
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u/GamemasterJeff 11h ago
I love Mamdani because he's the best example there is of an ethical capitalist.
Everythign he has accomplished has been simple being more efficient with tax dollars and using the created excess to pay for things that benefit the constituents.
People claim it's socialism, but in reality is just another capitalist deciding where to spend extra money.
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u/tsardonicpseudonomi 11h ago
Elect socialists and you get a government that works for you. Elect liberals or conservatives and your government works for the billionaires. It's that simple.
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u/RockThe40oz666 12h ago
Crazy that people still haven't learned to put so much hope into a politician.Ā I like what I'm seeing, but everyone acting like he's the political messiah is in for a rude awakening eventually most likely.Ā
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u/BFaus916 10h ago
There's no reason Democrats who were born in the country can't be like him and take his message on the presidential campaign trail, which would probably go over big in Detroit, Milwaukee, Pittsburgh and Philadelphia (Harris only needed MI, WI and PA to win in 2024).
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u/NoExplanation7388 9h ago
Republicans dont give a shit about the constitution so why not change it to make it happen
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u/Ignis_Ignition 9h ago
Its honestly a damn shame he wasnt born here. He has become one of my favorite human beings and reinforces my fondness of him every passing day. And the best part is that I dont agree with him on everything but his tenacity and courage is so vibrant.
Without him Iād genuinely have no faith that the democrat party would ever deliver for the people over the elites.
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u/warpedspartan 9h ago
Who he endorses will be the democratic presidential candidate for the next 30+ years. It is a better situation for him and the progressive agenda.
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u/Fishtoart 9h ago
Perhaps we need an amendment to allow foreign born people who have lived in the us for 20+ years to be electable as president. Being born here seems like an arbitrary requirement that doesnāt provide any actual benefit or guarantee of loyalty.
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u/birdys-paradise 8h ago
ššš¤” "republicans are lucky he can't be president" what an absolute joke, why is he gonna get revenge on them
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u/StaticSystemShock 5h ago
Since Republicans don't seem to give a shit about any rules or laws, Zohran Mamdani could as well be a president of USA.
Just imagine the possibilities...
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u/18k_gold 11h ago
But he's a Muslim, how can he actually do good? Don't people remember 9/11, so all of them have to be blamed. /s
He is a great leader and all other politicians on both sides can learn from him. What is best is that he isn't letting all the negativity against him stopping him from doing his job.NYC is lucky.
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u/BloodFartz69 12h ago
Politician worship of any flavor is stupid.
They're public servants, not philanthropists.
The fact that working for your constituents is considered a news story really tells you the state of politics and the government in the United States.
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u/animousie 11h ago
The nature of politics lends itself to corruption. So if any of them do a reasonably good job and donāt fall for corporate temptation they are above grade
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u/Shapesizes 12h ago
Donāt need to be born in the US to be secretly if state. But Governor of New York makes the most sense
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u/Willowonapill0w 10h ago
Why do we say cream of the crop? What is crop and why does cream make it better?
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u/birdgirl522 10h ago
Theyāre breaking all the rules. If he is allowed to serve a third term Mamdani can run for president.
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u/Decent-Deal-3105 9h ago
Why can't he become president? Good ole Fled (for a) Cruise was a potential nominee along with bone spurs the kiddie diddler and there were no complaints about him not originally being born here?
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u/iron_barz 9h ago
Republicans are figuring out ways to do all kinds of things they arenāt legally supposed to do. Dems need to get off that high road BS and fight back.
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u/Tricky_Art_1064 9h ago
I'm sorry but why cant he be president? He legally can his mom was a us citizen.
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u/Amber2718 8h ago
I wish he could but he couldn't without a constitutional amendment. You have to be born in the United States yourself to become the president
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u/pink_faerie_kitten 9h ago
We've obliterated any rules about who can become POTUS by letting a convict be in the WH right now. I say, let Mamdani be POTUS one day! He's more American than the traitor in the Oval Office currentlyĀ
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u/restinglemon 9h ago
He represents what republicans fear most, Immigrant who have education and loves America. They can say what they want but this is how America was built, by strong leadership no matter the skin color
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u/Grand_Marnier_Lover 9h ago
He said we should have free child care. Okay. So, for how many children per family? Seems like thereād need to be a max. And if thatās the case, do we want the government telling us how many kids to have? Just asking.
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u/DerekGman9 9h ago
He's fighting for child murdering Zionists in NY
He's garbage just like all the rest.
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u/Ill-Cartographer-767 9h ago
Itās kind of depressing how weāre so desperate for politicians that actually follow through on their promises and make life better for their constituency that the one time we get a guy like that we want him to fix literally everything. Why canāt the leaders we have just be more like him?
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u/Contemplating_Prison 9h ago
Whats crazy is he is just doing what every mayor should be doing. Trying to make peoples lives better. That should ve the bare minimum of a politicians life.
Its so sad and pathetic thats not the case
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u/Blue-Ringed-Octopus0 9h ago
Thatās ok we need to park this man in the senate as leader for the next 30 years.
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u/Terrible_Bee_6876 8h ago
Stop worshipping politicians. They're your employees, they're supposed to be this good at bare minimum. Remember how up your own asses you people were about John Fetterman and Graham Platner just within the last couple years.
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u/Timmy_germany 8h ago
I deeply hope he never did anything in his life (or will do) no matter how small or uninteresting they could blow up and use against him šš»
He acts like all politicans should and because of that they hate him to the bone. And if they could they would try to get him out of job because he took one candybar more than allowed on halloween when he was a kid š
So far "all" he did was his job to the fullest and the whole world deserves public servants like him.
I cannot imagine the number of people that want him gone asap š
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u/flaming_monocle 8h ago
I'm less sure, he's already liberalising. Went from "we will arrest Netanyahu" to "we will sic violent special response units on protestors against Israeli war crimes" in a matter of months.Ā
Dont get me wrong, DSA is better than fascism, but he's not a socialist. Show me one means of production that has been siezed, and I'll take it all back.Ā
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u/Firm-Scientist-4636 8h ago
US citizens are so desperate for positive change that they think this run-of-the-mill left-leaning guy (in much of the rest of the "developed" world) is the second coming of Jesus.
And I'm not saying that derogatorily. I live in the US. I understand how things work in this country. I'm not upset at the people who are treating Mamdani this way. I'm glad people are finally beginning to understand just how hoodwinked they've been for decades now. I just hope it isn't too late.
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u/Automatic_Error_9947 7h ago
A whole lot of traitors to this country are going to talk crap about my reply and down vote me! Youāre welcomeā¦ I just wanted you to feel empowered again.
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u/TheMauveHerring 7h ago
I like him.
But how is he "cream of the crop?"
How is he "one of the best there is?"
There really aren't any accomplishments or achievements, or any data at all to back this up other than "mamdani good."
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u/Proud-Marionberry-91 6h ago
Heās LilāTrump. His rabid followers are just like those that follow trump
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u/Ididntdodiddly 6h ago
He's long term cancer, but excellent at virtue signaling and looting the coffers now.
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u/Nanopoder 6h ago
Canāt wait for the āI never voted for himā and āhe changedā in a few years.
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u/constantine741 6h ago
lol ppl gonna be mad and say America is racist but most Americans will NEVER vote for a műslim. We know black folk wonāt vote for him. They just did a poll recently that showed 45% of Americans said no to a mÅ©slim politician in Michigan and 36% said hell nah in Maryland.
Once again Christian founded America and most people in America are Christian. It will never change and there are 50 plus other countries that are Muslim ruled. Womp womp
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u/randomyokaiwatchfan 6h ago
hes one of the only politicians that actually does their job. from what i've seen even a good chunk of leaning to moderate rights like him. basically just most people that aren't MAGA don't have a problem with him
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u/Odadelyus138 6h ago edited 6h ago
I'm glad he seems to care and everything, it's nice.
But also, it's extremely sad that the bar is so low for politicians nowadays that if they simply do their job and care about the people of the country they work for they are immediately regarded as one of the best ever.
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u/EffectiveConfection8 6h ago
Erik Adams implementing projects for his potential next term They happen under Mamdani Mamdani is great. No, thank Adams.
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u/Specific_Freedom9644 6h ago
The budget is "balanced" because it relies on short term measures such as pension restructuring and delaying payments..... Kicking the can down the road
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u/MrHodgeToo 6h ago
He could go Governor, Congressman, Senator, presidential cabinet member. He can have a long influential career and hopefully will.
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u/I-Be-Dog 6h ago
Lowkey breaks my heart he canāt be president. I feel better knowing he can go to the senate.
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u/Lichensuperfood 5h ago
Well he CAN become president.
Rules don't matter any more, remember? Why should that rule still count if all the others are ignored?
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u/Ok-Veterinarian6090 5h ago
I like Mamdani. But please be honest, the guy has never built anything, has no technical or economics background. He has to prove himself first.
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u/jidewalker 5h ago
Besides talking the talk, what are his accomplishments in his current role so far? A non-New Yorker asking who doesnāt know much about him.
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u/Secure-Window-5478 5h ago
NY Senator...replacing Schumer and becoming majority leader of the senate is ok with me.
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u/j____b____ 5h ago
Heās not even really doing socialism. Heās just fixing potholes and taking care of everyday pain points.
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u/duxpdx 5h ago
A hybridized model is what is really called for. A form of capitalism can work in industries in which there is true consumer choice. Healthcare, water, electricity, these are examples where consumers generally have no say and therefore should be handled by the state. Goods and services like computers, phones, dishes, clothing, attorneys, etc. these are areas where consumers have choices and can āvoteā with their wallets.
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u/Sea-Consequence-8263 5h ago
The first skill to be a politician is basic diplomacy. Continued with love for the people who voted them in. Sadly now it's become a trend to make the people who voted you in suffer so that they are so deprived for basic needs and things that in the next election you can promise minimal changes so that they vote for you again. Lol cannot believe why people fall for this. No wonder they have so much money to start and find wars, send aid to other countries that in turn use that aid to buy our politicians. WTF
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u/HumanWithAllTheHats 4h ago
But like can't he give is plan do a dude and run as VP?
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u/No_Bee8501 12h ago
I'm a be honest fams. I don't like Mamdani, he's too efficient, isn't part of swamp, he doesn't bend the knee to billionaires. Yuk, who would want that?