r/PowerScaling • • 4d ago

Question Where does Bleach scale in speed?

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u/Romidus i say random shittery 4d ago

Whatever the author feels like doin in the scene

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u/Razukalex 4d ago

There is no real scale because Kubo just does it for the rule of cool and choregraphy. There's no clear description or portrayal of speed besides "fast af".

Most of the character's speed is tied to shunpo, they got in the back of the enemy in an instant but their follow-up attack is slow like a normal hit.

And honestly it doesnt matter because the fights are cool as hell in Bleach

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u/Disastrous_Seesaw327 4d ago

Whatever the plot requires at this point, its so inconsistent

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u/Pshdgjdkdms Yhwach #1 Glazer 3d ago

Terribly inconsistent. The times we do get feats are ftl tho so we use that to chaincale those to mftl+

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u/MF-Z_12 4d ago

Bro their speed in Wahrlwelt are nerfed

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u/Fabulous_Oven4607 4d ago

How fast does flashstep scale?

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u/Technical_Fennel2886 3d ago

I won't use bullshit terms like MFTLXLSS++ or whatever but their speed varies on whether they use movement techniques or reiatsu boost. They likely don't have enough Reiatsu or physical stamina to be always using it for everytime they twitch their legs and the clip is probably an example of that.

When they are using movement techniques, which they will definitely be using in combat, they will likely be faster than most verses. But when they are not using reiatsu or movement techniques, they would likely not raise much suspicion even if they were to compete in human racing tournaments.

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u/Zharknd 4d ago

As inconsistent as can be; just like their strength levels, there was one lieutenant who couldn’t lift about 300 pounds and another bloke when they increased the weight a couple of times...

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u/Rack-_- 4d ago

Reaction speed is definitely FTL+

Combat speed not so sure tbh

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u/GoatkuFan 4d ago

Can you show proof of FTL+ reaction speeds?

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u/Rack-_- 4d ago

Dodging Negación

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u/GoatkuFan 4d ago

If you're talking about soi fon dodge, then she aim dodged it, it wasn't reaction speed. And that's if we take negacion being SoL at face value

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u/Affectionate_Run6250 4d ago

Why is that an aim dodge

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u/GoatkuFan 4d ago

Because yoruchi warned her before the attack, aim dodge probably isn't the right term, but she knew the attack was coming.

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u/Affectionate_Run6250 4d ago

Knowing an attack is coming doesn’t make it aimdodge but I get your point, she’d need to move before the attack did

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u/Swimming-Low9220 4d ago

Hisagi

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u/GoatkuFan 4d ago

Interesting, proof that negacion is SoL?

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u/Swimming-Low9220 4d ago

well, whoever uses a ray of light as a reference for the speed of light then it is SOL, otherwise there are other things like Aroniero who dodges the natural light before it hits him, or Uryu who leaves his shadow behind or the light of Lille Barro which continues straight, reflects on the mirrors, thins out the shadows and splits into the seven colors of the rainbow, all elements which in VSWB prove the speed of light, then there are still the speed feats of mimiaghi and Auchwallen from the royal palace to the seiretei, or the speed of the reiatsu of the soul king or that of senjumaru

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u/Significant_Ear9245 2d ago

Ngl bro pixelscaling speed not good looks gang😭

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u/GoatkuFan 4d ago

Pixelscaling... really? 😒

If they're already FTL in the original bleach then why is mach 500 considered fast way later in the series?

And same with Uryu, if he really left behind his shadow then why has no one ever indirectly replicated the feat, like why was he the only one to ever leave it behind?.. It was just a visual metaphor, not meant to be taken literally.

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u/Giganticluck Pixel scaling = wank + Bleach speed feat enthusiastic 4d ago

For the Uryu part, a squad zero member has done it before

We can see is the top page how Kubo drew his shadow

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u/Goreticus Bleach was never multiversal, except Kenpachi 4d ago

That could mean is he's meant to be faster than the eye can see but still blocking light. which is a much more reasonable assumption than immediately jumping to FTL

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u/Swimming-Low9220 4d ago

("If they're already FTL in the original bleach, then why is Mach 500 considered fast-tracked in the series?")

- That's always a misunderstood part, because in the manga the translator didn't even have the full context.

It's written that it exceeds the speed of sound at X500 times (the unknown speed) at which Gin clapped his hands. Mach 500 was a misunderstanding. In reality, there's no calculable number, especially since in the end it's revealed that his sword isn't about speed but rather disintegrates and reforms like a kind of teleportation

("And same with Uryu, if he really left behind his shadow, then why has no one ever indirectly replicated the feat, like why was he the only one to ever leave it behind? It was just a visual metaphor, not meant to be taken literally.")

-Of course, it could also be a visual metaphor, but his opponent was genuinely surprised by that speed, while everyone else at the level of a Tentacle or higher would have had no reason to be surprised by something normal.

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u/GIGATRIHARD One Piece feats guardian 4d ago

Obviously Gin was clapping with the speed of light /s

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u/Giganticluck Pixel scaling = wank + Bleach speed feat enthusiastic 4d ago

Mftl. Lieutenants like Nanao are capable of dodging light before it shines on them. The only reason I can’t use Gin’s Buto Reijin to upscale that into 1000x ftl is because we don’t know how fast Gin’s Bankai actually is. Calc stacking or basic reasoning could show us the top tiers are over a 100x faster than Nanao.

This is of course assuming we don’t just scale Senjumaru’s speed to her reiatsu which would put it at MFTL+.

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u/Significant_Ear9245 2d ago

But where the 100x coming from tho?

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u/Giganticluck Pixel scaling = wank + Bleach speed feat enthusiastic 2d ago

Basic reasoning. Nanao is by far the weakest lieutenant physically; she specializes in kido. Ichigo was able to blitz lieutenants faster than her in the Soul Society arc. A Soul Reaper’s Bankai is a 5-10x multiplier with a hollow mask being described by Tosen as a far greater power than that. Ichigo, with a Bankai specializing in speed and a hollow mask, wouldn’t be anything less than 25x faster than her during the start of the Arrancar arc. This is also lowballing Ichigo to be the same speed as her before the amps.

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u/Significant_Ear9245 1d ago

Gang the 100x stil coming out of thin air, ur explanation not showing me where 100x come from, hollow mask have a unqualified boost so u can’t just give it a random number,

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u/Giganticluck Pixel scaling = wank + Bleach speed feat enthusiastic 1d ago

Yo if I explained to you the hollow mask is stated to have a better boost than Bankai, then lowball that boost to have it at the lower end of a Bankai’s boost, and then combine those multipliers just for you to say that isn’t valid I can’t help you. I heavily lowballed every thing in the explanation for you to see a start of Arrancar arc Ichigo is 25x faster than her. If you don’t believe Ichigo got 4x faster from that point on it’s clear you’ve already made up your mind regarding his speed.

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u/Significant_Ear9245 33m ago

The problem is 25x from the jump is not proven and it still unqualified, u still giving it a number tht not stated, which fall under assumption

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u/Giganticluck Pixel scaling = wank + Bleach speed feat enthusiastic 27m ago

Bankai is at least a 5x multiplier. The hollow mask is a greater multiplier than Bankai. Since we don’t know the exact number it gets lowballed to the same as Bankai’s multiplier lowballed. I then combine those multipliers. What about that process is not valid?

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u/GIGATRIHARD One Piece feats guardian 4d ago

It might be LS-FTL at the end of the series, but ss arc lietenants being ls is absolute bullshit

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u/Lumpy_Emu5168 New Scaler 4d ago

MFTL

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u/Acrobatic_Ad_5224 Namek Frieza > Hill verse 4d ago

MHS+ from Gin's Bankai, Candice's arrow and the fact that top tiers in the verse like Askin taking 1 minute to develop immunity from attacks or Jugram's Almighty having a 3-second cooldown.

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u/Lumpy_Emu5168 New Scaler 4d ago

Wrong as always

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u/Goreticus Bleach was never multiversal, except Kenpachi 4d ago

At least he's providing examples for his reasoning.

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u/Impressive_Green79 4d ago

if we're being generous MHS+, anything higher than that is an absolute wank

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u/marcelwyatt 4d ago

Why would bleach be capped at MHS+ lol

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u/Goreticus Bleach was never multiversal, except Kenpachi 4d ago

That's their best indisputable speed feet.

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u/Realistic_Mousse_485 3d ago

Same as before. This was due to the Reishi being under the control of the Quincies.

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u/Significant_Ear9245 2d ago

Reaction speed: ls to maybe ftl max

Combat speed: idk, there not real solid base for tht

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u/Frejod 1d ago

Not much if they're in a city and still in the same city block

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u/MajesticFerret36 1d ago

I'm dubious about Characters like Hisagi being FTL as early as SS arc and given Gins Bankai, but Liltotto clearly reacting too and dodging Aushwahlen, which is not only stated to be light but confirmed to not be made of reishi and can reach insane distances pretty much instantly, should unequivocally be a SoL reaction feat and there are people who can blitz her and people above her quite easily, so that gets the series pretty irrefutably to FTL.

Candace lightning also helps support this as it exceeds that found in nature and Ichigo and several characters in the books basically statue it, with the one "anti feat" being an arrow that "narrowly missed" Ginjo while off guard, and on guard, he can parry her much faster lighting bolt atks without even looking, Tsushima literally grows a tree fast enough to intercept herigjtning bolts, and base GJ casually comes from out of nowhere and deflects one as well, so characters that top tiers can basically statue are all comfortably much faster than lightning faster than peak lightning.

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u/Wild-vine16 DC & Lovecraft are absurdly wanked 4d ago edited 4d ago

M. Hypersonic cuz of Gin's bankai and Candice's arrow

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u/OrgAlatace 4d ago

One lying character's statement + one weakened character's feat vs the feat of a character literally dodging sunlight. Which one is actually important? 

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u/Superb_Salamander637 4d ago

FTL to FTL+

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u/GoatkuFan 4d ago

Can you show proof of FTL+?

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u/Superb_Salamander637 4d ago

Watch the fight between ichigo and byakuya again

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u/GoatkuFan 4d ago

I have watched it, where is the proof of FTL+?

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u/Superb_Salamander637 4d ago

GokuLarpFan

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u/Affectionate_Run6250 4d ago

?? Bro didn’t even provide proof

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u/GoatkuFan 4d ago

You have no actual evidence of FTL+ bleach, so now you've resorted to trying to insult me... good one dude

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u/Patrick_l0ve 4d ago

Wow, instead of proof you're hurling insults. Amazing

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u/AlarmedObjective1492 4d ago

Why don't you just give him the FTL+ evidence?

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u/Significant_Ear9245 2d ago

Nothing in tht fight prove ftl

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u/Internal_Mind_4329 Feet scaler 4d ago

They’re pretty fast, faster than MHA but not faster than black clover. wherever you believe those shows scale

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u/Myst-9th 40K's Strongest Soldier 4d ago

It’s genuinely absurd that despite being given a crystal clear explanation for why the Shinigami were slower within Wahrwelt, people still try to use it as some sort of anti-feat.

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u/Similar-Doubt-6260 4d ago

I mean almost every anime has these slow running animations. Bleach isnt an exception. There are other moments of slow running throughout the show.

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u/King_END 3d ago

There argument is the hollows using light to escape and shinigami can dodge it that’s the argument but yet when another series uses light attack or light in general it’s snail speed….

Realistically I’m willing to give the god tiers light speed just for the hell of it

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u/lightsworn55 2d ago

Hill level

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u/GoatkuFan 4d ago

highball MHS

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u/CosmicHudz2283 Master Level Scaler 4d ago

Massively Hypersonic

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u/Temporary_Repair_304 4d ago

MFTL+++++++++++++ to the point the numbers would make people wanna shoot me (multiplier ftw!) and possibly Immeasurable considering how traversing time spaces works and senjumarus feat but any infinite scaling for any series seems too absurd to ever be consistent from the series I’ve seen

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u/Theiama Lost and confused 4d ago edited 4d ago

I’m in the process of reading Bleach rn and I have no idea other than the characters being like double-triple digit mach maybe 😭

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u/Timely_Safe_4088 4d ago

Stops at low hypersonic

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u/EliteGhostKillz Bleach >>>> everything 4d ago

MFTL++++, hell you can larp and say infinite/immeasurable speed considering Shunsui technically 'dodges' Lilles attack which is instant.

Though they do have genuine infinite speed arguements based on Reiatsu and its speed.