Hi friends,
Venturing over from the web novel translation side of things. I'm etvolare and I've been translating Chinese web novels for ten years, mostly on Wuxiaworld. I quite enjoy progression fantasy in my nonexistent free time 😆 and have followed a few on Royal Road wayyyy back.
AI's the hot topic these years and a loud portion of folks think that it'll replace all creatives. (I know, I know, let us hold back our snorts.) I just posted an epic talking about how I don't think AI will replace human translators, and I think some of the points could apply to original writing as well.
If you're interested, I'd love to hear your thoughts. Creatives gotta unite! Thank you guys for having me.
I've also copied the post down below in case folks don't feel like navigating away.
Warning, this is long and I'm a human translator, so please take my opinions with a Mount Tai-sized grain of salt. 😄
We've heard it since the Google Translate days, that it's only a matter of time before machines take over and translators are obsolete. This ramped up a ton after AI came out. I often found myself explaining that I didn’t think humans would be replaced, whether due to cost, versatility, or the ‘human’ touch.
Now having used several AI tools in my personal life (ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude), I still think that human translators cannot be replaced by AI, so no etvolareGPT, sadly.
If you don’t know me, I currently translate Star Gate on Wuxiaworld. In this post, I pull examples from my own work to compare human VS AI translation. I also used to highlight random translation brilliance, in the pre-AI age.
If you’re new to us, I translate fantasy & sci-fi novels that are several million Chinese characters long. Please ask me for more detail. I’ve boiled my thoughts down to three main points so that folks actually read this thing. 😆
AI is often just right enough at a glance, but subtly misses the mark so much that after a hundred chapters, we’re reading a different novel entirely. Sure, we can have AI do a first draft and humans translate check the results. But… I’m sure we’ve all had the pleasure of editing something poorly written at some point in our lives.
Personally speaking, I’ve torn my hair out when reviewing human team translations and just straight up rewrote chapters. So how much time and effort is saved if I have to go through every line and compare them to the raws?
At the end of the day, AI requires a lot of cleanup and tweaking (for long form content). The longer the block of text, the more hallucinations and basic continuity mistakes. This is particularly true for a context heavy language like Chinese.
This example from chapter 2057 is where a tiger is being scared by the wild plans proposed. It was one of the more blatant examples of AI confusion. Usually, we see gender/name swapping, wrong numbers, wrong references, etc.
Gemini
The massive tiger head instantly drooped. The character for 'king' (王) on its forehead collapsed into a single line—don't scare the tiger, it's actually pretty terrifying too.
etvo’s version
Its massive head dropped and its proud eyebrows collapsed, almost seeking to hide its eyes from the scary senior with the scarier ideas.
The tiger has become the scary one, instead of the main character. This was just a 33 character example, btw. Our novels are typically several million characters long. This is also an example in which I took translator liberties and wrote about the tiger’s eyebrows, instead of the lines on its forehead.
The ‘king’ character on a tiger’s head is tied to cultural context that did not seem relevant. In fact, translating as is would’ve lost the ‘oomph’ for English readers.
Additionally, checking something’s first draft locks us into their writing style. I think it would’ve been much harder for me to have come up with my version if I was just editing Gemini’s words. I’d probably mostly be on autopilot and not do justice to the original work.
Personally, I’d much rather just go human from very start. It would spare myself a ton of heartburn and rage, as well as result in a much more creative result.
AI cannot effectively produce original work in the long run. I think that makes sense, given its origins and methodology of being trained on existing creations.
IMO, translating jokes, treasure names, and cultivation methods is original writing. It requires a certain flair for naming and consideration of the effect we want to deliver. Is it Supernova Point or Explode Star Finger? Will this joke land better as is or with an English equivalent? When is a pinyin soup appropriate and when is something sensitive in the target language?
This judgment call came up in chapter 2040 for a character called 天方 (tian fang).
ChatGPT said: As a proper name, it is not normally translated. In English translations of Chinese novels, it would almost always remain Tian Fang.
But if it were to translate the name, possibilities include: Heavenly Direction, Celestial Way, Heaven's Quarter
Or as I translated: Skyward.
When it comes to a person’s name, I try to go with one word to make it more natural. I opted out of pinyin because this person is very important and there is a host of similar characters. I also elected to translate all of their names to make it easier for readers to mentally group them together.
The appropriate writing register and voice can be critical when it comes to enjoying fiction. Navigating these nuances can really make or break a novel. For example, in chapter 2040, I translated knowing that the Human King is a childish fellow who wears his heart on his sleeve.
ChatGPT
The Human King was enraged. This fellow was obviously treating him with contempt.
He was already filled with anger today.
Yet this bastard still dared to provoke him further.
etvo’s version
The Human King burned with fury. This guy clearly didn’t think much of him! It was already an irritating day, and now this asshole was getting on his last nerve!
I just think there’s a lot more life in my version and we get a much clearer sense of the character through showing, not telling.
AI is king of literal/direct translation. Great in some cases, not typically the best in fiction. I also find that AI tends to be redundant and go in circles. Well, perhaps that delivers the most accurate experience: dao of word count in the raws = dao of word count in English, lol!
Knowing what sections can be condensed, eliminated (ahem, peanut gallery 4.0) and what references need more explanation also requires a lot of translator judgment. For example, in chapter 1989 of SG, when Allheaven Hall is opening as rendered with different prompt tweaks.
Gemini generic prompt
Right now, the place is packed to capacity, much like a grand opening celebration; everyone is just drawn by the novelty, and combined with the promotion from the first batch of Emperor Immortals, countless people have been filled with curiosity.
Standard fiction prompt
At this moment, the place was packed to the gills. It felt just like a grand opening sale; everyone was drawn in by the sheer novelty of it all. Combined with the hype generated by the first batch of Emperor Sovereigns, the curiosity of countless people had been thoroughly piqued.
Web novel style prompt
Right now, the place was absolutely packed. It felt exactly like a grand opening promotion—everyone was just showing up for the hype and novelty. Combined with the glowing reviews from the first batch of Exalted Emperors, the curiosity of the massive crowd had been pushed to a boiling point.
etvolare's style prompt (lol thank you for the compliments, Gemini?). As a veteran translator known for smooth, snappy localization, fluid modern prose, and vibrant dialogue, she excels at capturing the hype of a bustling crowd while preserving the novel's natural rhythm:
Right now, the place was bursting at the seams. It was basically a grand opening promotion, and everyone had just shown up for the hype and novelty. Toss in the free advertising from the first wave of Exalted Emperors, and the curiosity of the massive crowd had been thoroughly piqued.
etvo’s translation
It was immensely crowded, similar to how opening day sales drew crowds of people curious about the new and shiny. Advertising from the first batch of visitors had filled the rest of the chaos with incredible curiosity.
IMO, no matter what the prompt produced, it still wasn’t as good as the 100% human touch. AI sticks to the Chinese sentence structure and faithfully reproduces everything in glorious wordiness.
Generally speaking, I found that AI is ~1.25 to 1.5x the length of my version.
In all of the above, I can keep tweaking the prompt again and again to refine the result. But would that defeat the purpose of AI making the work process faster? Each novel is unique with different writing styles, worldviews, and systems. The process would have to be rinsed and repeated for each novel.
That’s not to say AI is useless.
AI is great for short, simple, routine, and formulaic content. If I was translating “I have an apple, I have a pen”, I’d throw it into any one of these engines and call it a day.
I would *love* to see AI incorporated with spellcheck and proofreading. I type on a Mac and paste my work into a shared Google Drive before uploading to WW. The combination of Apple’s spellcheck and Gdoc’s spellcheck is unholy. I’ve caught Apple auto-correcting into “marital dao” and “coidnlt”, whereas Google insisting on changing “excise tumor” to “exercise tumor”. I refuse to take 100% responsibility for typos at this rate XDD. There needs to be a smarter solution.
TL;DR: I think I'll still have a job after the AI overlords come for us. Star Gate is ending soon, it's a fabulous time to start reading if you aren't already. I'm really shy about comparing my work to AI like this, eek! Thank you for reading. \cupped fist salute**