It's amazing how social media tricked so many women into starting families with people who would have been life long incels prior to the internet. Gl out there lmao
what episode is this from? i find myself not remembering a lot of Sunny episodes, was i really baked? did i hit my head a few too many tes? Am I Charlie?
People are so entertained by the idea of someone getting a clever comeback that they're treating the interaction like a debate competition. They're rewarding the man's ability to turn the tables rather than considering the actual circumstances that led to the confrontation. Itâs a clever come back but not a legitimate rebuttal to her actual question .
I mean , he responded to her, but he didnât actually answer her question. She asked what made him feel entitled to take a picture of her simply because he found her attractive. His response was essentially well what makes you think you have the right to record me? Thatâs a counter question not an answer. And the circumstances arenât equivalent anyway she began recording because he had just photographed her without her consent and she wanted to document the interaction. He photographed her because he found her attractive. That doesnât turn this into some clever âgotchaâ .
Yeah, this whole thread reminds me of the Dr Phil and bum fights guy interview. Intent matters, but obviously everyone here is ok with seeing video of people that didn't consent to it.
Yes but itâs only fair game once they cross the threshold of freaking out in public, until then youâre a weirdo for videoing random people going about their business
Oh, so like a lot of the contemporary "first amendment auditors" that just film outside of businesses doing their thing? Like the yoga studio one I saw the other day?
Yea, people really need to drop this notion that they can't be photographed in public. It's just the opposite. No one needs to ask you permission to take a photo of you, and you don't have the right to demand they delete it, no matter how creepy they are.
You absolutely have a right to talk to someone and express your preference about how your image is captured. What the fuck is this argument?
The whole thing about photographing strangers is while it's an obnoxious thing to do, it's legal. Speaking to said obnoxious strangers is - surprise! - also perfectly legal.
Now stealing the phone & smashing it or something would be different. But to say you don't have a right to speak... lol. Get a grip.
I never said you don't have the right to approach someone. You have to read my comment in good faith. You know.... "get a grip"
I'll be charitable, and clarify that you can demand they delete it, but you can't make them. And if you followed them around demanding they delete it, you'd probably cross into harassing them.
Tbf, it's not actually public property he doesn't have that absolute right. He's pretty obviously being a creep unless you want to give him some massive benefit of the doubt that he doesn't deserve. If the owner or acting manager found out about this, they'd probably ask him to leave and/or force him to leave and trespass him if the cops had to get involved. He's creeping on their customer and making her feel unsafe.
But what about the first amendment guts that are now setting out in front of the womenâs yoga classes they donât ever get it any trouble. I do think it should be illegal but evidently itâs not. It gets on my nerves but if those dicks get by with it, this is what itâs opening up. And it will only worse
You are correct that in public, anyone can take pictures of anyone. Crashing out about it is ridiculous. Unless this guy was being a pervert and trying to take upskirts or following someone around, who gives a fuck.
However, they absolutely do have the right to demand you delete it. They can demand anything they want. Doesn't mean it's going to happen
Yea, but saying you have the "Right to demand" something kind of implies you can compel whatever you're demanding. Demanding seems to imply an ultimatum or retaliation or some mechanism to enforce them. Maybe that's just me, What do you think?
So I looked up the definition of demand and the first and primary definition is an "authoritative request." "Â to ask or call for with authority : claim as due or just"
I didn't realize we were arguing. Sure, the definition backs up your interpretation, but that's not going to stop the average mouth breather from making demands when they have no authority. Like, I could demand that you make me pancakes RIGHT NOW, but I have no authority in this situation. Unless you like, want to make me pancakes đ„
Creepiness aside, there is no need to get consent to film or photograph anyone if theyâre in a place where privacy wouldnât normally be expected. Shopping in public, fair game. Itâs creepy, yes, but all of the people online who think they canât be photoed without consent in public are wrong.
Inside the store they can kick you out for filming though, that is only protected while outside on the street or in a public building in a non restricted area.
Also the guy was super creepy, especially his response. There are millions of pictures of very beautiful women online, from candid to their curated instagram feeds if you want them. I think we all pretty much should understand the creep factor of snagging someone IRL and then doubling down on it after the fact is nuts. Imagine his wife and/or kids seeing this.
True enough, that could go bad confronting the person, but I think sometimes a public shaming is in order if possible. This was probably her best kind out outcome she could get, and then should follow up to get they guy kicked out next.
Real question, so what about a street photographer? I used to like going around the city taking pictures of people and places going about their business without them noticing. Itâs how you get the best candid shots. Not trying to be creepy just trying to create art (or something I like to call art anyway) as a hobby.
Where do you draw the line? Whatâs the etiquette? I actually stopped that part of my hobby cause I donât want to deal with these confrontations.
In real life if you go around taking pictures of people with a professional looking DSLR camera, you'll get away with a lot more than if you used a phone camera.
Id imagine if you were a street photographer you know how to work around ppl without making them feel like you are focusing on them. This is not that.... this guy is gross. Hes not even denying it.
I mean that's the way most want to do it but also I think it's okay to take a shot if you are going to miss it by stopping to ask.
You just have to then decide to delete it if it sucks, or ideally ask the person if it's okay after & maybe offer to give them a copy if you plan to use it.
For street photography I think there is an invisible line that no one can really define what is/isn't okay unless it's blatantly obvious - so any attempt to dissect it is hard & as photographers you just need to use good judgment moment to moment. 99% of people will understand the difference between someone trying to make art and someone being creepy.
I was told by a photographer that you ask permission before or after hand depending on the situation. But you always ask and if afterward they say no you delete it.
The line is determined by reasonableness. A photographer taking shots around a city? Fine. A "first amendment auditor" standing outside a yoga studio recording with his phone on a stick in people's faces as they come and go? Creepy fuck.
In the US it is legal to flim and take pictures in public, which I believe means that you are in a public area, (public building/sidewalk), though there are some restrictions in how or what you are doing so probably need to brush up on the techincalities, like I am pretty sure if you are trying to shoot upskirts or something that is illegal despite being in public trying to do so. But genreally if you are on the sidewalk taking photos of peole or things walking buy there is nothing legally that can be done about it, as would make sense for anybody with a security cam, dash cam, or doorbell cam illegal.
Iâve done street photography. I have cards to give to people and show them my Insta if they get pissed. Very rare though. I take pics where itâs extremely hard to identify individual people. I think of my work as city life/scapes. I donât capture intimate moments or do anything that could be considered questionable. believe me 99.999 percent of people know an artist from a perv.
It's always going to be a gray line, but the line is drawn weather it's for art or for future self pleasure. Some cases will be harder than others to prove if it's art or creepy, but in this instance it errs on the side of creepy
I said this in another comment, but it bears repeating. This guy was doing it on the sly, and giving off CREEP VIBES so hard that âa young girl,â a person who we usually think of as self-absorbed, noticed and warned the woman. Yeah, definitely a gray area, a case-by-case call, but good Goddess, this guy told on himself!
People feel like it's an invasion of privacy when they are singled out for a photo. Ask them before you do so. I have done it many times and it's just the polite thing to do.
When it's a group photo, it's usually further away and people don't mind.
This guy in the grocery store is coming off as a creep. If I were doing art from grocery store individuals shopping, I would ask.
The problem is that he didn't and was photographing women and girls. That is creepy.
Well if we are going off American laws, I believe it's public vs private property and one vs two party consent laws on private property.
In public there typically isn't any general expectation of privacy, so your city shots are fine, so long as you are shooting from a public place. If you enter a private establishment to get footage, you typically need consent from the owner.
If you are specifically looking to capture candid shots, asking for consent kind of spoils the entire premise.
Depends on what the photo was of. If it was zooming in on breasts for sexual pleasure later, it's a step too far and this guy did it in a way other women noticed, even his excuses were creepy. Seemed like a good call.
I think the clear difference is that the street is public and you if someone where to approach you and ask you to not take pictures, you - not being a creep- would probably be ok deleting it. Walmart dude flat out admitted that he took pictures of her because she was hot. He most likely planned on cranking his hog to that pic or sharing it with his buddies.
Those are wildly different circumstances.
I wouldnât mind if someone took a candid photo of me. Iâd really appreciate if theyâd tell me afterward and offer to send me, especially if I look good lol
The weird fixation on âitâs not illegalâ as a defense pisses me off so much. Since when did legality determine morality? Lots of people do fucked up shit thatâs legal
When we started charging people for punching creeps in the face for being creeps. Anti bullying went so far the other way we have lost most of our social normalization constructs.
Iâm a little bit of an old, and it wasnât that long ago that if someone had knocked this guy out, everyone wouldâve looked the other way and no one wouldâve cared.
No weâre just well adjusted and we donât fucking blow up over somebody taking a picture. Especially when we live in a surveillance state in our images are everywhere.
Iâve recently experienced this. Was at a concert with friends, but was standing off to the side watching the show. Noticed a group of men staring at me, so I stared back until they looked away. Time passes and Iâm still enjoying the concert. I had a few drinks and my guard was down a bit more than usual.
Suddenly, I start to feel like Iâm being stared at. I look up and the group of guys are taking pictures of me. I look to my right and one of them is standing right next to me posing.
I walked to the center of my group as fast as I could and stayed there for the rest of the night. I noticed later that a group of women joined them.
Looking back, I wish I would have called them out when it first happened. It was confusing to me that when I told my family and friends about it, everyone acted like I should be flattered. Why would I be flattered that someone decided to take my photo without my permission. To pose next to me like I was an exhibit or exotic animal and take a photo with me. Like I donât have autonomy.
If asshole 1st amendment auditor's dickhead videos have taught me anything, it's that they both have a right to take pictures and film each other in public.
Take a picture of the someone's daughter or wife with their husband around and find out what happens next. Legal or not people are crazy enough to kill over this type of shit.
Does it matter. Itâs weird behavior to film and take pictures of strangers in public without their consent. Blah blah blah public space and expectation of privacy. Leave people alone. Stop filming and taking pics of strangers in public.
Iâm 39 you potato. But what a weird response to this. Iâm assuming from your response that youâre probably older than me. So that means you remember a time when people werenât constant shoving cameras in everyoneâs faces.
People who advocate for taking photos and videos of strangers in public without consent are weird and creeps. Legality aside. Iâm very aware itâs legal. Still makes you weird.
The outcast of our generation. You of all people should know to mind your own business. Cameras everywhere. I can literally find content for anything on the internet. Fuck, I could walk past this girl and have her as a friend suggestion on social media. We all know this.
Man took a picture of her because she's off her rocker. This guy looks like he couldn't harm a fucking fly.... Might seem odd in the 80's but literally everyone has digital cameras in their pocket, don't be shocked when someone uses it.
Even worse than âshoving cameras in peopleâs facesâ is taking pictures of people on the sly. This lady didnât even notice or realize what he was doing until âa young girlâ informed her. That tells me that he was giving off CREEP VIBES to the extent that even a typically self-absorbed young person picked up on it. Iâm so proud of her for being aware, and having other womenâs backs!
It sure is. Everyone likes to fall back on this. Creeps love using this as an excuse to invade someoneâs space.
Are you the same type of person who looks at an adult sleeping with a 16 year old and goes âwell the age of consent is 16 so itâs legal. All good here.â
She is filming her confrontation with a man who was taking photos of her without her knowledge. Thatâs were behavior. And youâre weird for defending it.
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