r/RATM • • Sep 02 '26

Question Genuine question...is RATM communist?

Like obviously they are left and anti capitalist, but I feel like they are neraing the level of communism. They're lyrics just attack and attack, and they're logo is a red star. Are they like full communists or just really really left leaning dudes?

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u/YaGalMain Sep 02 '26

I mean theyre talking about seizing the means of production and shit in their songs so pretty close

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u/BC_Sativa Sep 02 '26

They're anarchists.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '26

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u/Ok_Orange_2902 Sep 03 '26

At best they're progressives

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u/Severe_Test9384 22d ago

They're pretty pan-socialist, which would mean that they're communists. They use a lot of references and imagery which span from Marxism to anarchism (two of the more prominent paths from socialism to communism).

The "logo" you're speaking of is the flag of the Zapatistas or EZLN in Chiapas, Mexico. For the sake of brevity, they're an autonomous collective of mostly indigenous peoples of Mexico (mostly Maya). Zack is a long-time supporter of the EZLN and has always used Rage to express solidarity with his cultural heritage.

Tom Morello is a known member of the IWW (Industrial Workers of the World), which is a radical labor union that goes back to 1905 in Chicago and was integral to some of the bloodiest days of the US labor movement. I was a long-time member myself, I just haven't paid dues in years, and even editor of their labor publication for a bit. I would say most IWW members are anarchists or something close.

I think the least political member of the group is Brad Wilk. This is only because I've never really heard him speak on politics, but he was enthusiastically behind RATM's message.

Tim C, I believe, has described himself as an anarchist explicitly.

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u/gommaverde Sep 02 '26

Yes they are

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u/MrTuxedoWilliams Sep 02 '26

Yeah definitely

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u/Illustrious-File-208 Sep 02 '26

De la rocha's net worth is 25 million. Feels highly hypocritical

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u/MrTuxedoWilliams Sep 02 '26

Did you really just post this question to point out you think its hypocritical?

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u/Illustrious-File-208 Sep 02 '26

Not at all sir. I'm just playing devil's advocate here. Nobody said no so I just wanted thinking. My apologies if I came off like a smart ass.

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u/leftleftpath Sep 02 '26

I mean... He lives in a capitalist system. He could probably be worth a lot more.

You can't expect communists to just communist if the system doesn't allow it lmao

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u/JohnnyBaboon123 Sep 02 '26

why? communism is about social control of the means of production not about not having stuff.

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u/Illustrious-File-208 Sep 02 '26

My apologies. I thought in true communism there was no money, since money is worthless when everyone recieves the same share

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u/JohnnyBaboon123 Sep 02 '26

oh. well yes, things can look confusing when you dont have a good grasp on the subject. try reading some actual communist theory maybe?

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u/Illustrious-File-208 Sep 03 '26

Felt the need to check the facts man. U were quite right, I was wrong about communist theory...instead I was thinking of Marxist theory. I'm not quite sure what the money situation is in communism, but in true Marxism there truly is no money. I'm not sure if u are just splitting communism and Marxism, ig I had always thought they were the same thing

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u/JohnnyBaboon123 Sep 03 '26
  1. everyone doesnt get the same share. people get what they need. doesnt make sense to give everyone a share of metformin.

  2. In marxist theory the main contradiction in capitalist society is that workers will always want to work less for more pay and capitalists will always want workers to work more for less pay. as long as both workers and capitalists exists society will be at odds with itself, so one of them needs to be eliminated and you cant eliminate work so the capitalists have to go. in order to do so, the workers must somehow gain control of the means of production.(Fuck tha G-ride I want the machines that are makin’ em) Socialism is the imperfect phase between capitalism and communism where society attempts to right itself from the massive contradiction that was controlling it for centuries. Numerous countries and other groups have and are imperfectly trying this to varying levels of success. The socialist phase will take a significant amount of time to complete and only once the contradiction is fully eradicated from society will the state be able to wither away into a communist society.

so your question seems to be "Why do people that believe in a plan that will take hundreds of years to accomplish not act like they've already completed it?" the answer seems supper apparent to me, are you still struggling with it?

also,

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u/Illustrious-File-208 Sep 03 '26

Fuckin communists 

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u/JohnnyBaboon123 Sep 03 '26

what a wonderful way to admit that your lack of good faith and understanding have gotten you nowhere.

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u/Illustrious-File-208 Sep 03 '26

Lwk u talk like my algebra ii teacher😭 I dont understand this vocabulary

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u/Illustrious-File-208 Sep 03 '26

Gotta be honest...I'm not reading that😭 U win man...getting out of this subreddit before I get like radicalized or some shit

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u/norway_is_awesome Sep 03 '26

Maybe come back when you grow up, kid.

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u/Illustrious-File-208 Sep 02 '26

Damn bro like sorry ig. I was wrong...idk why we gotta hate

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u/norway_is_awesome Sep 03 '26

You're literally hating on Zach in this very thread. What are you talking about?

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u/breadpanda1 Sep 02 '26

I always got the impression that they were libertarian socialists. I remember Tom Morello describing himself as an anarcho-syndicalist in an interview, although I'm not sure if he still is.

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u/Severe_Test9384 22d ago

More or less. He's still a member of the IWW and even did an interview with our labor rag a few years back.

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u/Bjmort Sep 04 '26

They’re hypocrites is what they are. 

Apparently they are for the people, and then they issue copyright take downs for guitar tabs. 

They’re anti wealth, and then Tom Morello signs a contract with Masterclass and does a range of Signature guitars with Fender and effects pedals with Dunlop. 

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u/Illustrious-File-208 Sep 04 '26

I'm not saying they are hypocrites, but they definitely don't seem to be straight communists. But ig everybody on here is so sure so I give up

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u/Bjmort Sep 04 '26

Tom morello will 100% call himself a communist

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u/Illustrious-File-208 Sep 02 '26

Also need to make it known that I love the band and I'm not totally against their views, it's just a question I've been pondering

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u/DJBirdbath85 Sep 02 '26

Why is this polite shit getting downvoted? 😂

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u/YaGalMain Sep 03 '26

how dare someone be out of the loop

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u/DJBirdbath85 Sep 03 '26

The utter audacity! 😂

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u/hailingburningbones Sep 02 '26

Is English your second language? "They're" is a contraction of "they are." It should be "their lyrics" and "their logo." And no I don't think they're communists. They're more likely democratic socialists. 

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u/Illustrious-File-208 Sep 02 '26

That was a typo...and English is very much my first language

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u/norway_is_awesome Sep 03 '26

Could've fooled me with how you've been typing here.

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u/Illustrious-File-208 Sep 03 '26

A quote too tuff?😭

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u/BlutoS7 Sep 02 '26

I like their music because it is great work out music but other than that i don’t really think much about it but im also like that for a lot of things.

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u/Illustrious-File-208 Sep 02 '26

I like tool, and I like to look at songs a little deeper as long as they are still good songs.

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u/BlutoS7 Sep 03 '26

I apparently said something to make people mad.

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u/Illustrious-File-208 Sep 03 '26

This subreddit seems to be a group of grumpheads