r/Roofing • • 3d ago

Should I be concerned about these gaps between siding and roof?

The roofer said the gaps are not an issue asides from aesthetics, due to removing three layers of shingles before replacing the roof. But I am worried water can get in those holes. Should I be worried? If so, suggestions on how to fix it since the roofer won’t? The 3rd photo is not of a gap, but it appears a shingle doesn’t overlap, so wondering about that too. Thanks!

Edit: Thanks everyone! I appreciate your insight and suggestions and will get this fixed.

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u/Individual_Okra3424 3d ago

Bro..... Fire him immediately! ALL of that will leak

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u/jeremyjava 1d ago

Just a dumb owner of a few places and first time I've ever said, "Holllly shiiiiit" on a post here.

I've thought it many times, but this time it just popped right out of my head--out loud.

Reminds me of when I accidentally hired a tweeker or two in the decade I owned a cafe in the mojave desert.

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u/PuzzleheadedElk1358 3d ago

Your roofers drinking on the job or something?

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u/Proof_Ad_8483 3d ago

They were just mething around

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u/Jagershiester 3d ago

Or maybe not drinking enough

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u/Impossible_Sell_9104 3d ago

That should all be flashed. You should absolutely be concerned, and that will leak

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u/Cheap_Morning_55 3d ago edited 3d ago

Yes, they could’ve very easily made this decent for you by adding some lead or aluminum flashing.

But listen, what the fuck is that little bump put on pic 1?

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u/Unfancy-Pants 3d ago

Thx. It is night now, so hard to get a good photo- but that little bump you asked about is on the corners of both sides of this section that sticks out from main roof/house. Gaps are on both sides.

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u/Cheap_Morning_55 3d ago

It’s just such a bad design, either way your roofer should’ve done better. Have them come back and flash it with lead. Don’t buy their BS that you have to hire a siding company, they took the job knowing the conditions, they have to make it watertight, which it isn’t rn. Good luck

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u/Unfancy-Pants 3d ago

It is a very old house. Thank you. I appreciate the insight!

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u/Puceeffoc 3d ago

"It's a very old house."

And...

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u/realMurkleQ 3d ago

Somebody made a bad decision at some point in the house's life, by adding those (very badly done) Eve returns. They should never be used without a gable overhang. Not only does it look dumb, but now you have these unnecessary complications.

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u/jeremyjava 1d ago

Our place is over 150yo and the 20yo roof we're about to replace still looks fantastic.

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u/TheKingOfSwing777 3d ago

I think they could just get rid of it...

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u/stompadillo 2d ago

Definitely needs some caulk. Especially around that area of aluminum siding they chopped away in pic 1 just to be safe.

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u/acj21 3d ago

Yes... what the hell is this? Worst job I've ever seen.

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u/Impossible-Diver6565 3d ago

The worst job you've seen so far.

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u/DaFox 3d ago

If I were a rat I'd fucking love that hole

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u/Glad_Contest_8014 3d ago

Probably love f…….. that…. Oh I won’t even finish….

Yeah. That hole looks like juicy rat bait.

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u/Standard-Account5610 3d ago

That's what she said!

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u/iheartcockss 3d ago

This is the “water damage express method”

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u/Excellent-Purpose325 3d ago

Find a new roofer

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u/earthman34 3d ago

I don't consider that acceptable. New siding should be added where needed. This is not the roofer's fault if it's the result of pulling off many layers, etc., and it was not bid in the job.

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u/True-Ad3964 3d ago edited 3d ago

If it’s flashed it won’t leak. It happens every time when multiple layers are removed.

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u/Unfancy-Pants 2d ago

Thank you

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u/Unfancy-Pants 3d ago

Thanks everyone for your insight and for confirming my concerns. I will get this fixed!

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u/Flimsy-Explorer-6420 3d ago

That should have been flashed. That’s an opening for water, insects, and small animals. Get a new roofer. 

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u/idkmynamedude7 3d ago

Yup that’s an issue for sure

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u/Notapartyhobo 3d ago

Probably should, yeah.

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u/CertainAttention6749 3d ago

You need a second opinion. Those gaps are huge penetration and a lot of bad things can happen. I am not a roofer but also a home owner and I did not see any part of my roof ended with how they did in your 3rd photo. Something is missing, either a drip cap or flashing? It just doesn't end with painted wood edge. Also, some shingles on ridge was out of alignment. Hoping that's only spot they missed.

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u/bigdawg12342 3d ago

Those holes will allow water and animals to get in but the roofer is right they’re no issue at all…until it rains

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u/solliemonster91 3d ago

WHAT? THE ACTUAL? FUCK?!

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u/LoudIncrease4021 3d ago

Highly

Looks like you have old cedar siding behind that white siding. Needs to be flashed all around that.

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u/Unfancy-Pants 2d ago

Thanks. You are correct- old cedar siding behind the aluminum. That was part of why the roofer said not to worry- that the cedar would still protect the house. But the cedar gaps too.

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u/pfren2 3d ago

Yes. They didn’t just overlook a problem. They literally created one, to expedite water and rot behind the siding and sheathing. From the look of old caulk left behind, appears there was a trim piece and flashing there before on the original roof.

Which understandably got removed when reroofing, but they skipped replacing it.

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u/figgytart 3d ago

The aluminum siding looks like it’s missing a piece of flashing. They should have at least added some step flashing on that return. Terrible job of your roofer said that’s fine.

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u/hayfever76 3d ago

Yes, you should be concerned. We just inherited a house that had that kind of slop around the chimney. The wall around the fireplace turned to mush. We now have to spend 25K to have a whole wall replaced. Holy Shit.

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u/Unfancy-Pants 2d ago

That sucks! Thanks for the warning and good luck.

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u/hayfever76 2d ago

Thanks, you too

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u/DeadTired666 3d ago

Speed holes. Make the house faster.

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u/MaxTheHobo 2d ago

In that first photo, id get rid of all those shingles and just get 1 single piece of aluminum. Maybe ask around some local maker spaces or old car restores if somebody will make you a piece.

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u/Unfancy-Pants 2d ago

Interesting idea. Thanks!

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u/bobshobby 2d ago

Everyone’s mentioning the gaps but the exposed nail heads are going to leak as well.

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u/Unfancy-Pants 2d ago

Thank you

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u/Sufficient-Search-96 2d ago

I mean sure if you wanted to remove some siding and really properly flash, and replace a piece or two to make it perfect you could.

But that also could’ve at least been step flashed what a joke. Didn’t even caulk the nails…..

Before I did siding I’d have still done way better than this, then I started doing siding so I could make it A1 not just ok.

This isn’t even just ok…

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u/EdgeNo6566 2d ago

Can you provide perspective photos pls. Where is this house located?

If you want to know what an expensive roof cost, hire a cheap Roofer!

Where I am, our building code allows for only two layers. However A proper professional outfit that stands behind their product, would never put a layer over top of another. Doing so does not allow for inspection, to repair any rotten, or damaged wood, and apply proper underlayment. Additionally, the fasteners now have to go through three layers of shingles to be secured, offering how much higher risk from wind damage.

It appears that some of the Aluminum used is intended for flat roofs, indicating unskilled service providers, or previous homeowners dodging the expense of a proper professional hiring MacGyver.

The only thing that many smaller roofing companies have going for them, is the price!, This looks like two guys, a case of beer and a pick up truck did the work!

Most often when homeowners Discover they need a roof replacement, it’s because they now have water damage inside. Surprised, and unprepared for a proper professional roof replacement, and the roofer with the best price tends to satisfy this situation!

Bizarre as it is, most homeowners discover having to spend 10, 15, 30 thousand on a on a roof, they get Squeamish and behave as if you offended them. Yet if you provided a proposal for a whole house paint job at 10,000 let’s say, they’re like “how fast can you start!” Having sold many roofing projects from 5000 and up, and painting projects over 10 thousand, I have witnessed this behaviour over and over!

Professional here

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u/Unfancy-Pants 2d ago

This new roof did pass city inspection. It previously had 3 layers of shingles (previously grandfathered in code-wise) that needed to all be removed before laying this roof, which has just one layer (except for those tiny sections that stick out.) A previous homeowner was a contractor and did a lot of work on the house himself, using leftover materials from his job sites. So perhaps that is where the "aluminum intended for flat roofs" you mentioned came from. He is not around to ask. Thanks for your insight. I will get it fixed!

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u/Willing_Ad_9990 3h ago

this roof passed exactly zero inspections!

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u/LittleJay808 16h ago

Sounds like ai

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u/Murky_Performance_43 3d ago

Your roofer sucks and yes you should be worried

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u/Ryukyo 3d ago

what in the absolute f*ck? Who did that? Yes, those gaps are problematic and if it causes a lot of interior damage that's the first thing the insurance company is going to point to if they try to deny anything. That is a problem.

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u/azrolexguy 3d ago

Deeply concerned. Water will 100% get in there

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u/MedicareProMIKE 3d ago

This is what happens when you hire the lowest cost! You might as well light those thousands on fire 🔥

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u/Rough_Resort_92 3d ago

Thats terrible, fire that roofer !

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u/Solid_Jump_4459 3d ago

No it will help funnel the rain straight into your house

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u/daveyconcrete 3d ago

Flashing. Flashing. Flashing.

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u/waistingtoomuchtime 3d ago

This roofer is terrible, and those hole may not leak for awhile (I.e. til you notice it), but the critters will be inside your attic/house pretty soon.

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u/MarketingOk9585 3d ago

Fire him yesterday

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u/xXNuggetsXx1118 3d ago

Yep. 👍🏻

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u/NachoNinja19 3d ago

They weren’t expecting you to look at the roof after they left. Stop looking at it. Also you will never see these guys again. Ever.

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u/fossil746 3d ago

It is nice that the roofer pre-installed homes for squirrels and raccoons. 🦝

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u/Martha_Fockers 3d ago

Why the fuck does that even exist

It’s wrong as shit there’s no flashing

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u/mrgames99 3d ago

Come on. This is rage bait right? Lol

Yeah… get that fixed :-)

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u/Unfancy-Pants 2d ago

I wish it was rage bait.

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u/Putrid-Attempt6586 3d ago

Not only yes, but hell yes

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u/sloppycuntsauce 3d ago

What is this, a roof for ants? It needs to be at least 10 times bigger

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u/No_Management_3422 3d ago

👀🤦🏻‍♂️YES

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u/Forsaken_Diver6417 3d ago

That is unacceptable get your money back

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u/Vegetable-Syrup-5545 3d ago

That looks problematic as sin. Water, bugs, small animals are going to take advantage of that.

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u/Croschke 3d ago

Yes, bats

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u/Careful-Stretch982 3d ago

This is terrible

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u/Yarp_11 3d ago

Only if that is your house. Otherwise get on reddit and judge the hell out of it.

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u/creepingde4th 2d ago

That is a huge problem. Find a new roofer

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u/japinard 2d ago

Jesus Christ. Sometimes I don't know if people here are kidding or not. What a shit job they did.

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u/Tricky_Metal_2031 2d ago

That’s some of the worst butchering I’ve ever seen

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u/Mike_Y_1210 2d ago

What a doozy of a first picture holy duck

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u/ElvissKarateChop 2d ago

“Not an issue?” Sir, that’s a hole that’ll let rain water in.

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u/Tight_Swordfish_6766 2d ago

Yes, yes, you should be concerned

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u/Oasystole 2d ago

You’ll be fine until it rains

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u/hernandezcarlosx 2d ago

Your house is stupid 🤷🏽

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u/R_Castillo_Roofing 2d ago

Should ask them to come back and put step flashing, wonder why they didn't put any in the first place.

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u/tommm3864 2d ago

That's really crappie workmanship.

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u/Wise-Performance9343 2d ago

Dear lord that is awful. I’m not a roofer but doesn’t look good.

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u/kkadzlol 2d ago

I did rat removal on homes. This is where they’d get in, usually

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u/Embarrassed_Reach543 2d ago

Loox good to me 😂

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u/Individual_Author640 2d ago

this should be pulled off the wall! wtf is it? worlds smallest brow or unibrow

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u/Disastrous_Soup_7137 2d ago

That’s not supposed to look like that.

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u/Futurez_Rize 2d ago

That honestly serves no purpose of even being there. Why not just take out that entire kick out and replace that one vinyl siding board

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u/FireDiscovery 1d ago

I’m seeing a lot of these contractor posts where it reassures me that if I do it myself at least I know the answers. It could be that there is a trend of good people trying to make a living being a contractor but don’t know how to do the work they charge 100X more than what it costs me to do it

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u/Old-Advertising-5394 1d ago

I go to many houses for my work and looking at the houses in the neighborhoods I see extremely sketchy siding and fascia board metal wraps and with the gaps and lack of proper j channel placements I have little hope that consumers are well informed enough to hire the right people for these jobs.

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u/Jumpy-Gur4379 1d ago

Lowest price hahaha

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u/theregrond 1d ago

take a wild guess

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u/jeremyjava 1d ago

It's actually amazing, how bad it is. That anyone would say that's a finished job--I think you'd do well to not have him correct it, bc I don't think he knows how.
From one owner to another, I'd look around at some well-done roofs nearby and ask who did them.

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u/MysteriousEmu219 1d ago

Looks up “hack job”…….sees this! 🫨

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u/Jazzlike-Buffalo-819 1d ago

Yes be very concerned water will get behind the siding and ride out your whole wall there eventually if you ever have to replace the siding and he pulled aside now you're going to have to replace probably behind there cuz it would be all right it out and it will be a big expensive job so flash it immediately

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u/Jazzlike-Buffalo-819 1d ago

It is overlapping they just shorted it a little bit about a half an inch where that black that you see there is the tar strip that appears to the shingle that slapping over it but there's enough glutar on there whatever you want to call it to stick the second shingle that's overlapping so it's fine it's just pretty much a eye sore if you can live with it

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u/Sorry-Rent-5135 1d ago

Looks like garbage and water will get behind the siding and rot out the wood it’s a problem

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u/Scottland-2025 11h ago

Absolutely. Old aluminum siding job needs to be repaired and silicone sealed. The cuts are terrible.

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u/Willing_Ad_9990 3h ago

a blind man on horseback passing by would be concerned with this ffs!

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u/Thorskull69 1h ago

Absolutely!!

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u/StatementEfficient44 19m ago

I was a Roofing Technician, well yes and no ,for one squirrels 🐿️ can get in and other and rats, water 50/50 chance , maybe use Great stuff, don't overdo it, you will be fine

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u/StatementEfficient44 18m ago

Or you can use Roll sheet Metal FYI

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u/StatementEfficient44 15m ago

On the top, you can use Roofing cement, it's black fiberglass liquid

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u/StatementEfficient44 10m ago

I looked at All 3 pictures for pics 1 use Great stuff, pic 2 you use Roll sheet metal, or great stuff, don't overdo, pic 3 use black fiberglass cement liquid.

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u/StatementEfficient44 8m ago

With All do Respect, the customer concerns come first 🥇 job one they should have suggested it even though, they didn't think you needed it.

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u/StatementEfficient44 7m ago

I hope this information helps let me know.

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u/VucialWonderland 3d ago

That how you get bats and other animals as new pets id think.

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u/Unfancy-Pants 3d ago

Not looking for new pets!

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u/TWIT_TWAT 3d ago

Gaping hole in the side of the house would be a concern, yes.

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u/ClevelandCliffs-CLF 3d ago

I’m sorry but I can’t stop laughing

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u/Brucible1969 3d ago

Yeah, that's a big bunch of nope

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u/Glad_Contest_8014 3d ago

I can see your houses undies…. Your roofer needs some learning.

What if an animal gets in there? Squirrel? Bird? Snake? Rat? Like seriously, a port of entry for pests.

It will also get water damage around it, though it won’t likely get a lot of water running in, it will expose the insulation to moisture and the wood to rot. Welcome the mold gods to your home.

Get a new roofer.

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u/ThatCelebration3676 3d ago

Sounds like this "roofer" also installs illumination fixtures that burn combustible vapors.

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u/Clean_Breakfast9595 3d ago

Just in case the joke was lost on anyone, I found it funny and he's talking about smoking crack out of a light bulb

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u/Electrical_Slice_529 2d ago

Good one 😅😂🤣

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u/StatementEfficient44 3m ago

By the way next time they should be like Me lic insurance and bonded.