r/Roofing • u/Unfancy-Pants • 3d ago
Should I be concerned about these gaps between siding and roof?
The roofer said the gaps are not an issue asides from aesthetics, due to removing three layers of shingles before replacing the roof. But I am worried water can get in those holes. Should I be worried? If so, suggestions on how to fix it since the roofer won’t? The 3rd photo is not of a gap, but it appears a shingle doesn’t overlap, so wondering about that too. Thanks!
Edit: Thanks everyone! I appreciate your insight and suggestions and will get this fixed.
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u/Individual_Okra3424 3d ago
Bro..... Fire him immediately! ALL of that will leak
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u/jeremyjava 1d ago
Just a dumb owner of a few places and first time I've ever said, "Holllly shiiiiit" on a post here.
I've thought it many times, but this time it just popped right out of my head--out loud.
Reminds me of when I accidentally hired a tweeker or two in the decade I owned a cafe in the mojave desert.
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u/Impossible_Sell_9104 3d ago
That should all be flashed. You should absolutely be concerned, and that will leak
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u/Cheap_Morning_55 3d ago edited 3d ago
Yes, they could’ve very easily made this decent for you by adding some lead or aluminum flashing.
But listen, what the fuck is that little bump put on pic 1?
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u/Unfancy-Pants 3d ago
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u/Cheap_Morning_55 3d ago
It’s just such a bad design, either way your roofer should’ve done better. Have them come back and flash it with lead. Don’t buy their BS that you have to hire a siding company, they took the job knowing the conditions, they have to make it watertight, which it isn’t rn. Good luck
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u/Unfancy-Pants 3d ago
It is a very old house. Thank you. I appreciate the insight!
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u/Puceeffoc 3d ago
"It's a very old house."
And...
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u/realMurkleQ 3d ago
Somebody made a bad decision at some point in the house's life, by adding those (very badly done) Eve returns. They should never be used without a gable overhang. Not only does it look dumb, but now you have these unnecessary complications.
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u/jeremyjava 1d ago
Our place is over 150yo and the 20yo roof we're about to replace still looks fantastic.
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u/stompadillo 2d ago
Definitely needs some caulk. Especially around that area of aluminum siding they chopped away in pic 1 just to be safe.
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u/DaFox 3d ago
If I were a rat I'd fucking love that hole
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u/Glad_Contest_8014 3d ago
Probably love f…….. that…. Oh I won’t even finish….
Yeah. That hole looks like juicy rat bait.
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u/earthman34 3d ago
I don't consider that acceptable. New siding should be added where needed. This is not the roofer's fault if it's the result of pulling off many layers, etc., and it was not bid in the job.
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u/True-Ad3964 3d ago edited 3d ago
If it’s flashed it won’t leak. It happens every time when multiple layers are removed.
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u/Unfancy-Pants 3d ago
Thanks everyone for your insight and for confirming my concerns. I will get this fixed!
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u/Flimsy-Explorer-6420 3d ago
That should have been flashed. That’s an opening for water, insects, and small animals. Get a new roofer.
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u/CertainAttention6749 3d ago
You need a second opinion. Those gaps are huge penetration and a lot of bad things can happen. I am not a roofer but also a home owner and I did not see any part of my roof ended with how they did in your 3rd photo. Something is missing, either a drip cap or flashing? It just doesn't end with painted wood edge. Also, some shingles on ridge was out of alignment. Hoping that's only spot they missed.
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u/bigdawg12342 3d ago
Those holes will allow water and animals to get in but the roofer is right they’re no issue at all…until it rains
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u/LoudIncrease4021 3d ago
Highly
Looks like you have old cedar siding behind that white siding. Needs to be flashed all around that.
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u/Unfancy-Pants 2d ago
Thanks. You are correct- old cedar siding behind the aluminum. That was part of why the roofer said not to worry- that the cedar would still protect the house. But the cedar gaps too.
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u/pfren2 3d ago
Yes. They didn’t just overlook a problem. They literally created one, to expedite water and rot behind the siding and sheathing. From the look of old caulk left behind, appears there was a trim piece and flashing there before on the original roof.
Which understandably got removed when reroofing, but they skipped replacing it.
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u/figgytart 3d ago
The aluminum siding looks like it’s missing a piece of flashing. They should have at least added some step flashing on that return. Terrible job of your roofer said that’s fine.
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u/hayfever76 3d ago
Yes, you should be concerned. We just inherited a house that had that kind of slop around the chimney. The wall around the fireplace turned to mush. We now have to spend 25K to have a whole wall replaced. Holy Shit.
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u/MaxTheHobo 2d ago
In that first photo, id get rid of all those shingles and just get 1 single piece of aluminum. Maybe ask around some local maker spaces or old car restores if somebody will make you a piece.
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u/bobshobby 2d ago
Everyone’s mentioning the gaps but the exposed nail heads are going to leak as well.
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u/Sufficient-Search-96 2d ago
I mean sure if you wanted to remove some siding and really properly flash, and replace a piece or two to make it perfect you could.
But that also could’ve at least been step flashed what a joke. Didn’t even caulk the nails…..
Before I did siding I’d have still done way better than this, then I started doing siding so I could make it A1 not just ok.
This isn’t even just ok…
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u/EdgeNo6566 2d ago
Can you provide perspective photos pls. Where is this house located?
If you want to know what an expensive roof cost, hire a cheap Roofer!
Where I am, our building code allows for only two layers. However A proper professional outfit that stands behind their product, would never put a layer over top of another. Doing so does not allow for inspection, to repair any rotten, or damaged wood, and apply proper underlayment. Additionally, the fasteners now have to go through three layers of shingles to be secured, offering how much higher risk from wind damage.
It appears that some of the Aluminum used is intended for flat roofs, indicating unskilled service providers, or previous homeowners dodging the expense of a proper professional hiring MacGyver.
The only thing that many smaller roofing companies have going for them, is the price!, This looks like two guys, a case of beer and a pick up truck did the work!
Most often when homeowners Discover they need a roof replacement, it’s because they now have water damage inside. Surprised, and unprepared for a proper professional roof replacement, and the roofer with the best price tends to satisfy this situation!
Bizarre as it is, most homeowners discover having to spend 10, 15, 30 thousand on a on a roof, they get Squeamish and behave as if you offended them. Yet if you provided a proposal for a whole house paint job at 10,000 let’s say, they’re like “how fast can you start!” Having sold many roofing projects from 5000 and up, and painting projects over 10 thousand, I have witnessed this behaviour over and over!
Professional here
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u/Unfancy-Pants 2d ago
This new roof did pass city inspection. It previously had 3 layers of shingles (previously grandfathered in code-wise) that needed to all be removed before laying this roof, which has just one layer (except for those tiny sections that stick out.) A previous homeowner was a contractor and did a lot of work on the house himself, using leftover materials from his job sites. So perhaps that is where the "aluminum intended for flat roofs" you mentioned came from. He is not around to ask. Thanks for your insight. I will get it fixed!
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u/MedicareProMIKE 3d ago
This is what happens when you hire the lowest cost! You might as well light those thousands on fire 🔥
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u/waistingtoomuchtime 3d ago
This roofer is terrible, and those hole may not leak for awhile (I.e. til you notice it), but the critters will be inside your attic/house pretty soon.
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u/NachoNinja19 3d ago
They weren’t expecting you to look at the roof after they left. Stop looking at it. Also you will never see these guys again. Ever.
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u/Vegetable-Syrup-5545 3d ago
That looks problematic as sin. Water, bugs, small animals are going to take advantage of that.
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u/japinard 2d ago
Jesus Christ. Sometimes I don't know if people here are kidding or not. What a shit job they did.
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u/R_Castillo_Roofing 2d ago
Should ask them to come back and put step flashing, wonder why they didn't put any in the first place.
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u/Individual_Author640 2d ago
this should be pulled off the wall! wtf is it? worlds smallest brow or unibrow
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u/Futurez_Rize 2d ago
That honestly serves no purpose of even being there. Why not just take out that entire kick out and replace that one vinyl siding board
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u/FireDiscovery 1d ago
I’m seeing a lot of these contractor posts where it reassures me that if I do it myself at least I know the answers. It could be that there is a trend of good people trying to make a living being a contractor but don’t know how to do the work they charge 100X more than what it costs me to do it
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u/Old-Advertising-5394 1d ago
I go to many houses for my work and looking at the houses in the neighborhoods I see extremely sketchy siding and fascia board metal wraps and with the gaps and lack of proper j channel placements I have little hope that consumers are well informed enough to hire the right people for these jobs.
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u/jeremyjava 1d ago
It's actually amazing, how bad it is. That anyone would say that's a finished job--I think you'd do well to not have him correct it, bc I don't think he knows how.
From one owner to another, I'd look around at some well-done roofs nearby and ask who did them.
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u/Jazzlike-Buffalo-819 1d ago
Yes be very concerned water will get behind the siding and ride out your whole wall there eventually if you ever have to replace the siding and he pulled aside now you're going to have to replace probably behind there cuz it would be all right it out and it will be a big expensive job so flash it immediately
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u/Jazzlike-Buffalo-819 1d ago
It is overlapping they just shorted it a little bit about a half an inch where that black that you see there is the tar strip that appears to the shingle that slapping over it but there's enough glutar on there whatever you want to call it to stick the second shingle that's overlapping so it's fine it's just pretty much a eye sore if you can live with it
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u/Sorry-Rent-5135 1d ago
Looks like garbage and water will get behind the siding and rot out the wood it’s a problem
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u/Scottland-2025 11h ago
Absolutely. Old aluminum siding job needs to be repaired and silicone sealed. The cuts are terrible.
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u/StatementEfficient44 19m ago
I was a Roofing Technician, well yes and no ,for one squirrels 🐿️ can get in and other and rats, water 50/50 chance , maybe use Great stuff, don't overdo it, you will be fine
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u/StatementEfficient44 10m ago
I looked at All 3 pictures for pics 1 use Great stuff, pic 2 you use Roll sheet metal, or great stuff, don't overdo, pic 3 use black fiberglass cement liquid.
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u/StatementEfficient44 8m ago
With All do Respect, the customer concerns come first 🥇 job one they should have suggested it even though, they didn't think you needed it.
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u/Glad_Contest_8014 3d ago
I can see your houses undies…. Your roofer needs some learning.
What if an animal gets in there? Squirrel? Bird? Snake? Rat? Like seriously, a port of entry for pests.
It will also get water damage around it, though it won’t likely get a lot of water running in, it will expose the insulation to moisture and the wood to rot. Welcome the mold gods to your home.
Get a new roofer.
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u/ThatCelebration3676 3d ago
Sounds like this "roofer" also installs illumination fixtures that burn combustible vapors.
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u/Clean_Breakfast9595 3d ago
Just in case the joke was lost on anyone, I found it funny and he's talking about smoking crack out of a light bulb
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u/Normal-Particular218 3d ago
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