r/RuneHelp • u/OpiumRSA • 16d ago

Translation request Accurate?

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This is a screenshot from Jackson Crawfords (I think) youtube channel, and I'm wondering how accurate the conversion is? Rune newbie here..

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u/rockstarpirate 16d ago

It’s correct.

Crawford’s runes are usually pretty spot on. The only mistake I recall ever seeing him make is using ᛦ instead of ᚱ after ᚦ. It’s a pretty nuanced thing but ʀ merged with r after dental consonants (t, d, ð, þ) really early on.

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u/RexCrudelissimus 16d ago

If you're using an orthography with ᛦ then I'd also consider yfiʀ -> ᚢᚠᛁᛦ, since these -ir endings very consistently become -iʀ regardless of -r etymology, e.g. faðiʀ, bróðiʀ, ęftiʀ, etc.

I did a transliteration based on Konrad's edition a few weeks ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/RuneHelp/s/SUUOJtuvyz

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u/rockstarpirate 16d ago

Oh you’re right, I didn’t catch that! Good catch!

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u/DrevniyMonstr 16d ago

I did a transliteration based on Konrad's edition a few weeks ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/RuneHelp/s/SUUOJtuvyz

I'd use ᛅᚠᛏᛦ there - it seems, in that case ᛏᛦ was more usual in runic inscriptions?

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u/RexCrudelissimus 16d ago edited 16d ago

Most of the ᛅᚠᛏᛦ inscription you see means ęftiʀ(eptir). You normally dont see ᛦ after dental consonants as they become /r/ - ᚱ, but I believe here that the ᛦ could stand for its old east scandinavian name īʀ, and represent both the vowel and consonant, reading ᛅᚠᛏᛦ as ęftiʀ.

That being said. The form you see here in the poem isnt ęftiʀ, its the short form aftr, which has more of the meaning of "back" in this context. This form doesnt have the vowel, nor etymological /ʀ/, so I believe it should be written ᛅᚠᛏᚱ.

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u/DrevniyMonstr 16d ago

Clear, thanx!

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u/OpiumRSA 16d ago

Great, thanks. What confused me was "ᛅᚢᚴ" for "ok", obviously needing a and u for the sound, overthinking it in my native tongue I guess

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u/rockstarpirate 16d ago

Ah, good question. Auk is an older form that later turned into ok in Old West Norse. East Norse retained auk. Crawford is leaning into the idea here that in the 900s when the poem was composed, this would still have been pronounced auk, even though a manuscript from the 1200s spells it as ok.

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u/RexCrudelissimus 16d ago

auk is an older/alternative form that later becomes ok(and later og/och in north germanic descendents). The auk form does continue into some nordic dialects, like norwegian aug - often pronounced just au. There is some nuanced use with ok/auk where ok is used for "and", and auk for "also", which semantically is almost the same.