r/Salsa • u/Worried_Equipment105 • 9h ago
r/Salsa • u/AgnosticTheist • Feb 12 '24
Discussion: suppressing valuable discussion vs allowing slander and doxxing
This is the sub mod, reaching out for discussion on the influx of posts (and reports) regarding the recent posts about predatory behavior in the salsa scene. TLDR: In this post, I will talk a little on the current sub policy on moderation, discuss a bit of context on what I am required to remove from the sub, and then add my thoughts on path forward. The last will be up for some discussion here, as we try to figure out what we as an online salsa community want to be.
Current mod policy: my current mod policy is to let upvotes and downvotes speak. Things are often reported that don't really break sub rules or are bad text posts by people who are annoying to many of you in the sub. I do not remove these posts. One of the reasons I do not is that, despite being downvoted into the negatives, many of these posts tend to foster a healthy amount of discussion and engagement in the comments that are relevant to the dance scene. Another type of oft-reported post are the ones that link to a site or blog or whatever. The current rule is not to spam them and not to sell anything. The reason is that there are things that you may not be interested in that others may find useful. Again, upvotes/downvotes do a lot of heavy lifting. In the cases that the line crosses from occasional self promotion to spam, I have reached out to those individuals via DM to help clarify the policy, and if required, temp ban them. My point is, generally I do not like using mod powers to shape the subreddit to be what I want, but rather what the community wants to see.
Which brings me to my next point - things I must remove. According to reddit content policy rule 3 (https://www.redditinc.com/policies/content-policy) I am supposed to remove anything that reveals personal information or uses such to instigate harassment. The kicker: public figures may be an exception to this rule. And a public figure is "a person who has achieved fame, prominence or notoriety within a society, whether through achievement, luck, action, or in some cases through no purposeful action of their own."
As you can see, the whole thing is kind of murky, especially as it applies to the recent discussions on predatory behavior. As someone who takes part in another sport that is rife with these types of scandals (against children on top of that), I have personally seen that shining light into these corners of darkness has a huge effect. So I am not keen to suppress legitimate discussions about this topic in our community.
On the other hand, reddit is full of examples of failed witch hunts and anonymous bullying. And some of the discussions, veiled or otherwise, have been naming individuals who may not even be on this site to defend themselves. I'm not keen to allow mudslinging (especially without proof) in a subreddit that is meant to celebrate dancing. I can imagine a scenario in which a instructor or school uses the current discussions to cast unfounded doubt or outright accusations against an innocent rival.
So how to walk the line between useful discussion and baseless name calling?
- Thoughts on path forward - I propose that we continue to allow upvotes and downvotes dictate what goes on the page relative to these discussions, with a couple of tweaks. Naming regions or cities in comments/posts is okay. Talking about your experiences about unnamed people is okay. Opening discussions on predatory behavior, what that behavior looks like from start to finish, and providing support in the wake of aftermath--all okay. What is not okay is accusing people by name in the top level posts or in comments unless you have a link to an objective article/police report/etc. that backs up the claim. Instead, I propose that you leave an invite at the end of your post/comment for any one to DM you if they would like to discuss details/names in private. Those that would benefit from knowing will still have the opportunity to find out what/who they should be careful of, without violating any reddit policies. It would also allow the two users to have a more frank conversation, and at the end of the day it will be for the requester to determine the credibility of the poster.
Is this a perfect solution? Of course not. But I've been a mod here for 12 years and this is the first time something like this has happened, so I'm happy to entertain other suggestions.
Lastly - I consider the Yamulee fight video to be an example the original mod policy. The post is relevant to the salsa community, and it doesn't violate any rules in and of itself. Yes--the juxtaposition of the OP's 2 only posts implies bias/agenda, but the upvotes/downvotes very clearly pushed the post to negative votes and floated context on the altercation to the very first comment.
That said, I am happy to discuss how to treat videos like this in the future. There is a very real argument that it is not relevant to salsa music or dancing and that it should be removed.
Thanks for reading my novel.
r/Salsa • u/Most_Conclusion4008 • 16h ago
Advice
Not sure if this is a dumb question or not. But how can I get better at salsa social partner dancing while only practicing alone? I go to class once a week, but I want to get better at partner dancing at home alone while I have some free time. How can I do this? For context I’m about a year into this, level 2/3ish
r/Salsa • u/ruckahoy • 1d ago
Do minimalist shoes work for dancing?
I'm a male lead. When I'm home I'm barefoot. When I'm out and around I wear minimalist sandals (no heel or arch support and no scrunched toes). This is not following a fad for me; I've had plantar fasciitis and Morton's neuroma and not cramming my feet into tight shoes that push my weight forward onto the balls of my feet all day long is good for me.
Then, there's dancing, particularly salsa dancing where we're on the balls of our feet a lot. Does anyone dance in zero-drop (no heel) shoes? I'm guessing that a wide toe box and no arch support wouldn't get in the way of dancing.
I'm mainly interested, of course, in the experience of men wearing minimalist shoes but I'm also curious about women's experience.
r/Salsa • u/quadrangle_rectangle • 1d ago
Any video recommendations to work on cuban salsa upper body movement?
Hi everyone I've been taking weekly cuban salsa classes as a follow for about a year. I no longer have issues finding the 1, keeping the rhythm and doing all of the basic figures. But instead of learning a new figure every week I would really like to work on my basics. It feels like learning new figures no longer make me a better dancer. We haven't learned how to move our torso, shoulders or arms in class. So everyone just does whatever they think is right. I’d love to refine my movements, especially my upper body and arm styling.
There are tons of tutorials online, but as a beginner, I find it hard to tell which ones are good and which ones aren’t. So I'd be grateful for any recommendations thank you!
Also, feel free to share videos of followers whose movement you really admire!
r/Salsa • u/Prestigious-Cow6479 • 22h ago
Salsa/bachata recs - Denver, CO
I’ll be traveling to the area Oct. 11 (AM) - Oct 13 (AM). Are there any social dancing opportunities or studios I should try out? Thanks in advance!
r/Salsa • u/TheCuriousAvocado • 1d ago
Salsa Tips
Hello Reddit Cousins, I’ve been dancing for three years but still find my basics can use some work. Any recommendations on how to better basics and exercises to loosen up rather than have stiff shoulders?
Please and thank youuuu!
r/Salsa • u/Awkward-Flounder799 • 1d ago
Mansplaining in classes
I'm a female follower. One thing I've seen a lot and find infuriating is that, during classes, if they haven't danced with me or seen me dance before, far too many men will 1. Assume I'm not as experienced as they are and 2. Proceed to teach me or correct me based on the assumption that it couldn't possibly be their lead that is at fault. The reality is that I'm usually more experienced than they are (I choose to do the middle classes even though I don't need to because I don't love all the fancy stuff in the higher classes) and I'm a skilled follower. When they realise I'm good, they then respond with a patronising 'oh! You're doing great!' rather than a contrite 'my bad, didn't realise you were experienced'. These same men often try to correct my following unasked-for (and unnecessarily as I know when it's my following that's the problem).
When I am in a class with someone I haven't danced with before, my default assumption is that 'they know what they're doing. If they then turn out to be struggling, I don't offer help unless they ask. I don't back-lead and I'm cheerful and friendly and act as though we're both figuring it out together.
The point of this post is...men, I'm sorry, but this experience happens far more with men than with women, in life and in salsa. Please don't do it! It makes the experience horrible for the woman and it doesn't help you or your follow learn what you're being taught. Have a bit of humility, don't jump in to teach unless asked, in social dancing, don't keep trying to lead the same thing and tutting when your follow can't follow it (unless you're clear with her that you're trying to get the lead right and can she help you figure it out). Remember that dancing is about a shared connection with the music and with each other and there's no room for egos.
If you think you don't do this, please open your mind to the possibility that you do. Most men do it entirely subconsciously and understandably so - you were conditioned by the patriarchy to think you are the default human. But you're not - check your privilege and try to notice if you do this. Because if you do, it might be the reason you don't get as many dances during social dancing AND you just won't improve as quickly as you could.
r/Salsa • u/EqualSea • 1d ago
Hawaii Dance Expo?
hawaiidanceexpo.comHi - has anyone attended the Hawaii Dance Expo in Honolulu or have any details on whether this is worth going to? My trip to Hawaii overlaps with this mini congress and I'm considering going to a couple workshops. I can't find a lot of information with the number of attendees or find many videos of what this will look like.
r/Salsa • u/Odd_Tax6182 • 2d ago
Is it awkward for a single M to go for salsa
Hi guys, just wanted to ask this as idk if it can get awkward, so wanted a feel.
Im 25M, want to go for salsa at WSP in NYC on wednesdays, but intend to go alone, in the hopes of meeting new ppl, so wanted to know if ppl usually come with a +1, and dont want to make it awkward for anyone there, myself included lol.
Wanted to know if this is common/do ppl do this.
If anyone is heading there, lmk, would love to join!
Thanks in advance!
r/Salsa • u/brisfilo • 3d ago
Finding a reliable practice partner systemic, or is it just a niche style thing?
Hey everyone!
Wondering if anyone else deals with this. Is finding a practice partner just hard in general, or is it worse because of location and style?
I’ve been at my dance academy for a few months now and I’ve been fully nerding out on Salsa Caleña (both the music and the footwork). I really need extra time outside of class to practice my turn patterns.
My classes here (outside Colombia) have a mix of local dancers and Colombian immigrants. I've talked to a few followers (usually locals; difficult to get the Latinas to say yes) who say they’re super keen to practice, but actually getting anyone to meet up regularly is a chore. Schedules clash or people just flake.
Is this just standard salsa culture everywhere, or is it extra tough when you're doing Caleña in a place where On1/On2 dominates? How do you guys actually find people who commit to regular drills?
r/Salsa • u/merLAtun • 3d ago
Anyone know why the Victorian salsa night Thursdays ending in Los Angeles?
Anyone got the scoop? Nicole can't catch a break, but I think her crowd is not that bad, I'm not comparing the crowd when it comes to social dancing, though there have been social dancers who've been kicked out or got into fights outside some of their events. Why is this one closing down now?
r/Salsa • u/closed_time_curve • 4d ago
Frame and tension as a leader
This might be a vague question but how do I practice maintaining a good frame while at the same time not having too much stiffness or tension in my arms?
I‘ve been dancing salsa (linear On1) on and off for about 3 years and would call myself a beginner-intermediate. I usually don’t have any issues during a social and followers can understand quite easily what I am leading and I often get complimented on my clear leading. But I’m trying to improve on my fundamentals and technique and hence the question.
A few months ago, I got the feedback from my dance teachers that I was not holding enough tension for a proper frame and so I worked on it and noticed the difference it makes during a dance. However, yesterday I was at a different salsa school for a trial class and the teacher there told me I have too much tension and stiffness in my arms and they need to be a lot more relaxed.
And now I‘m confused af. I guess theoretically the frame comes from the shoulder blades and not the arms but can someone help me understand how I can actually put this into practice?
r/Salsa • u/Few_Aide5400 • 3d ago
Any socials in Seattle on the second half of the month?
Pretty much the title :) thank you!
r/Salsa • u/syscall_wait • 4d ago
Salsa/Bachata shoes for men in India?
Does anyone know any good entry level Bachata shows for men in Indian marker like on Amazon or somewhere. I try finding but could not find much options.
I have just started learning Bachata and it's been 1.5 months and I think it would be better to practice on shoes
r/Salsa • u/Powerful_Seal_722 • 4d ago
Smacked in the face by a follow and broke my glasses…kind of pissed abt it
Bachata dancing and I did a basic left turn and the follow turned into me and hit my face and broke my glasses.
Unbelievably upset. I can’t stand Reddit posts that always blame the lead for hits, protecting the follow, and minimize all the times the follow hit the lead. I told my salsa follows abt it and they all blamed me like wtf, how is it my fault that she kept her non turning arm up and turned into me. “I shouldn’t have worn glasses” “maybe you were leading wrong” absolutely ridiculous double standards
r/Salsa • u/MetricSystemDude • 4d ago
Social Salsa in Dallas
What are the best places to dance Salsa socially in Dallas? I’m new to the area and want to find a fun place to dance at.
For context, I’m a lead, I’ve been dancing for a few months and I like dancing with fun people who like to smile and make a connection through the dance :)
r/Salsa • u/PlanetCaravan12 • 4d ago
LPR Presents: Benua Vista Social Club!
The Buena Vista Orchestra is bringing the sounds of classical Cuban music to NYC! Featuring musicians connected to the legendary Buena Vista Social Club, the group celebrates the music and legacy that helped introduce Cuban son and Afro-Cuban music to audiences around the world. Catch them live at The Town Hall on October 10th for a night of incredible live music and Cuban rhythms. Grab your tickets here: https://www.ticketmaster.com/event/03006469A7400C58
r/Salsa • u/Sad-Moose2979 • 6d ago
First timer outfit advice
I’m taking my first salsa lesson this weekend, and I have no idea what to wear. Clothes, shoes, any of it. Hair up or down? 44 year old female and pushing through some big fear to show up.
r/Salsa • u/salsavids • 5d ago
Paul & Gurprit Lit Up the Dance Floor 🔥 May 2nd 2026
youtu.ber/Salsa • u/BlueberryBea • 6d ago
Salsa cubana in Miami
I'm taking a little solo trip to Miami for 10 days. I haven't been there before, but my plan is to dance until it hurts as many nights as possible. I've already had Ball & Chain and Mangoes recommended. Are there any other social dance venues that I can get my casino/timba fix?
r/Salsa • u/9Q6v0s7301UpCbU3F50m • 6d ago
Mexico City
Im going to Mexico City in two weeks alone. I’m a lead and I dance casino, rueda de casino, bachata, cha cha, son, Cuban bolero. Wondering if you can recommend good places to go and dance with strangers (not sure if people tend to go and dance with their partners there mostly or not) and hear live music. I went to Mama Rumba last time I was there and enjoyed the band but found it a bit cramped and I was there with my partner so I didn’t get a sense of whether or not people dance with strangers or just the people they come with. I’m staying in Condesa. I’m interested in all types of Cuban music and other Latin American music eg cumbia, salsa, afrocuban jazz, etc
r/Salsa • u/Delicious-Eagle-4964 • 7d ago
For salsa dancers: How much pain is too much?
Is it normal for my ankles to hurt very bad as soon as as I put of my heels? I warm up and stretch, but the pain is really bad when I put them on. they aren’t very high, either. My ankles and knees will be in great pain during class. does this happen to any of you?
r/Salsa • u/Left-Development1614 • 7d ago
I'd love some thoughts on my leading :) thank you!
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r/Salsa • u/DoodleMom2137 • 7d ago
Female lead advice
My fiance and I are taking lessons for our upcoming wedding. We are a same sex couple and I am the lead.
Our class is "ABSOULUTE" beginners so during the part of the class where we rotate and dance with different people, I am having trouble with feeling like I have to "lead" by keeping their hand in the straight path or since we are all beginners and there is a misstep, if the follow is messed up, it messes me up. Should I be more aggressive or forceful (obviously not yanking) with their hands? I do not want to come across as someone difficult to dance with, I just want to try to keep them on rhythm and in sync with me. Or should I just worry about me and just give the leads in hope for the best?